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Ahkhomi Cypher
Opus Arcana
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Posted - 2015.10.23 09:18:00 -
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Shaun Iwairo wrote:wow way to contribute to the players-working-together plague Dust is experiencing.
thank you
TBD ringleader | Yep Squad Spokesman
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Hylian11
Opus Arcana
272
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Posted - 2015.10.23 09:27:00 -
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Shaun Iwairo wrote:wow way to contribute to the players-working-together plague Dust is experiencing.
You should take a walk on the wild side, play hopscotch...without drawing the lines!
OG Biomass
Even in death, there can be honor.
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Xeriphem
Glitched Connection
90
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Posted - 2015.10.23 13:22:00 -
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Oh I get it now... This is a TROLL post! LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL I just can't stop LOLing LOL LOL LOL
I'm WHERE?!
"If you're playing fair, you're not doing it right!" - Jenza Aranda
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Devadander
Woodgrain Atari
919
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Posted - 2015.10.23 13:24:00 -
[34] - Quote
No.
Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå
Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
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Yeeeuuuupppp
Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2015.10.23 14:33:00 -
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No.
No.
I'll boop you with a plasma Cannon
PSN: GMANCASH
"I played Dust so long i grew a f--king afro"
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8213
Blauhelme
E.B.O.L.A.
2
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Posted - 2015.10.23 14:45:00 -
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CCP has been working on matchmaking since the game was released.
But, CCP suffers from sever management problems.
They have been closed off to ideas and have falling victim to what is know as "Corporate Idea Inbreeding" (That's an actual term, not an insult).
They could have simply copied another game's pattern and work, but didn't.
They could have listened to the ideas and solutions presented to them, but didn't.
They could have hired people with competence and gull to do the best possible job, but didn't.
So, the matchmaking will never be fixed. It's that simple. If they were capable of doing it right in the first place, they would be capable of fixing it.
Never thank me for ISK, never call me a legend, and always send your 'gg' to CCP.
Audacity of wanting improvement
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XxBlazikenxX
Pure Evil.
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
3
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Posted - 2015.10.23 15:00:00 -
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8213 wrote:CCP has been working on matchmaking since the game was released.
But, CCP suffers from sever management problems.
They have been closed off to ideas and have falling victim to what is know as "Corporate Idea Inbreeding" (That's an actual term, not an insult).
They could have simply copied another game's pattern and work, but didn't.
They could have listened to the ideas and solutions presented to them, but didn't.
They could have hired people with competence and gull to do the best possible job, but didn't.
So, the matchmaking will never be fixed. It's that simple. If they were capable of doing it right in the first place, they would be capable of fixing it.
It's not a lack of management but a lack of playerbase.
Director of Pure Evil.
Pure Evil. is mass recruiting, apply today and join a war of the Bleeding Sun vs everyone!
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killocat
LEGION'S ARMY
3
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Posted - 2015.10.23 15:29:00 -
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Rinzler XVII wrote:Matchmaking isn't working, this event is gonna be horrible for a lot of players.. It could be good if there was a working matchmaking system... Too many cheaty twats using server selection to cause lag and lowering mu in various ways... Seeing as cheaty twats aren't being punished remove squads of cheaty twats and at least pubs will be better
STFU with your dumbass NO!!!!!!!!
Director of Legion's army
I will pistol whip yo bitch ass
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Thumb Green
Elephant Riders
2
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Posted - 2015.10.23 15:37:00 -
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Meee One wrote:Unless it comes with an on/off switch that would be the most annoying thing in the world.
Then you're against forced squading as well, I take it; because it would be that same kind of stuff in terms of listening to annoying people.
Interestingly enough it does come with an on/off switch it's just hidden during a match. If CCP limited it to only the team chat loading in pub matches* then I see no reason they couldn't bring back the list of names during matches which would allow us to mute annoying players. I highly doubt a list of 16 names is going to cause a performance hit (well hopefully, this is CCP we're talking about); certainly nowhere near to what 10 or so channels, with up to 50 names when nobody typed anything or 50+ when they did, had on the game for some ungodly reason.
*To clarify that's the only mode I'm talking about for the forced team chat; because other channels are kind of necessary in FW/PC if you want to type with EVE support, unless they added a team chat for them when they were involved in those matches.
Most of what I see around here is just a bag of dicks in need of some kicks.
Dust really needs its high sec.
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Thumb Green
Elephant Riders
2
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Posted - 2015.10.23 15:38:00 -
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XxBlazikenxX wrote:8213 wrote:CCP has been working on matchmaking since the game was released.
But, CCP suffers from sever management problems.
They have been closed off to ideas and have falling victim to what is know as "Corporate Idea Inbreeding" (That's an actual term, not an insult).
They could have simply copied another game's pattern and work, but didn't.
They could have listened to the ideas and solutions presented to them, but didn't.
They could have hired people with competence and gull to do the best possible job, but didn't.
So, the matchmaking will never be fixed. It's that simple. If they were capable of doing it right in the first place, they would be capable of fixing it.
It's not a lack of management but a lack of playerbase.
The lack of management caused the lack of playerbase.
Most of what I see around here is just a bag of dicks in need of some kicks.
Dust really needs its high sec.
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Michael Arck
6
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Posted - 2015.10.23 15:43:00 -
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No.
Consider the other side, where honest players squad up to fight competitively. Also newberries join in squads with friends to learn the game and acts as a protection ring, as they follow squad to learn basics.
The bad apples shouldn't spoil the bunch.
Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah
*Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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XxBlazikenxX
Pure Evil.
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
3
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Posted - 2015.10.23 15:47:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:No.
Consider the other side, where honest players squad up to fight competitively. Also newberries join in squads with friends to learn the game and acts as a protection ring, as they follow squad to learn basics.
The bad apples shouldn't spoil the bunch.
I agree.
Director of Pure Evil.
Pure Evil. is mass recruiting, apply today and join a war of the Bleeding Sun vs everyone!
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zDemoncake
Horizons' Edge
1
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Posted - 2015.10.23 16:33:00 -
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Players get #rekt regardless of event or no event.
can CCP make it so when I shoot an enemy, they become immune to damage except for my gun? That way no one steals my kill :(
CEO of Horizons' Edge's mercenary division
My soul, your beats!
Enemy to many; equal to none.
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Clotheshanger Abortion
Y0UTHINASIA
95
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Posted - 2015.10.23 16:33:00 -
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Are you stoopid?
"Excuse me while I kiss this guy..."
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CUSE TOWN333
Capital Acquisitions LLC
3
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Posted - 2015.10.23 17:10:00 -
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Rinzler XVII wrote:Matchmaking isn't working, this event is gonna be horrible for a lot of players.. It could be good if there was a working matchmaking system... Too many cheaty twats using server selection to cause lag and lowering mu in various ways... Seeing as cheaty twats aren't being punished remove squads of cheaty twats and at least pubs will be better
Why don't we take solo players out of pubs and send them back to the battle academy till they learn how to use squad finder or search corporation tab.
actions speak louder then words.
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Rinzler XVII
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
Caldari State
396
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Posted - 2015.10.23 18:35:00 -
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You can't force everyone to have to squad up to play a damn match, you guys are fcking deluded... You want to know why this game never took off?
The brutal truth is most people wanna play games to chill, they aren't social vampires like you who's only communication with other people is over a game... I talk all day to colleagues,friends,family, clients sometimes I don't want to talk and sadly for CCP this is true of most people in the real world so forcing people to HAVE TO BE IN A SQUAD TO EVEN PLAY A MATCH and not even giving people a gamemode or something to have a few chilled games is moronic!
If I'm a Mercenary why can't I take jobs intended to be done solo?
If any of you can answer that I'd.be amazed.. It's clearly never even crossed your minds
I Fight for the User
It's a shame that my user sucks at DUST
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Xeriphem
Glitched Connection
92
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Posted - 2015.10.23 19:34:00 -
[47] - Quote
You do realize that you can be in a squad and not talk to anyone don't you?
We have a corpmate that squads with us all the time. I have been squading with him for going on two years now and I don't recall ever hearing him say a word! He has a mic, can hear us, and responds to what we're saying but he doesn't speak to us. If we want know what he's doing we kinda have to keep up with him. He's told us (in corp chat by typing) that his spoken English is not too good, which is not a problem for us, but I believe is somewhat embarrassing for him. He is in the Czech Republic.
We've another corpmate that I've only heard speak one time in that same time period. He inquired about the age of one our younger members and it did take a little explaining for him to understand that one of our better slayers was only thirteen. He's a Japanese player who is quite good but just doesn't speak to us.
So talking to squadmates isn't required if know how everybody plays and participates in the match.
Just sayin'.
I'm WHERE?!
"If you're playing fair, you're not doing it right!" - Jenza Aranda
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XxBlazikenxX
Pure Evil.
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
3
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Posted - 2015.10.23 19:36:00 -
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Rinzler XVII wrote:You can't force everyone to have to squad up to play a damn match, you guys are fcking deluded... You want to know why this game never took off?
The brutal truth is most people wanna play games to chill, they aren't social vampires like you who's only communication with other people is over a game... I talk all day to colleagues,friends,family, clients sometimes I don't want to talk and sadly for CCP this is true of most people in the real world so forcing people to HAVE TO BE IN A SQUAD TO EVEN PLAY A MATCH and not even giving people a gamemode or something to have a few chilled games is moronic!
If I'm a Mercenary why can't I take jobs intended to be done solo?
If any of you can answer that I'd.be amazed.. It's clearly never even crossed your minds
You don't have to run solo to not want to talk to people.
Director of Pure Evil.
Pure Evil. is mass recruiting, apply today and join a war of the Bleeding Sun vs everyone!
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Four Horseman Tactical Agency
2
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Posted - 2015.10.23 20:00:00 -
[49] - Quote
I believe that you people still are not admitting the cause in point to be able to come up with a viable solution .
Even if you forced players to squad , you still will have the same problems because you will be pitting them against people who have been playing together for sometime now , they know each other's tendencies , they know each other's strong and weak points , what their specialized in and the fact that that information , the time played together in coordinated efforts from being ex or current corporation mate , helps in fighting against players that don't have the time , effort put in , knowledge of each other and the ability to put up a coordinated effort not to mention things like mics and such ... it's just no contest and you will not find a shred of balance in pub matches until you can guarantee that if there is one squad on one team , that it would be another on the other or if there are random players on one team , that the other would be comprised of the like and right now , that's not what we have .
I played a match against at least 2 known fire teams with a possible third during this event , while the team I was placed on were random players in a mix , there is not way that one can condone this and say that this isn't one of the causes of lack of retention , that this game has along with it's performance .
I get it , you want to play with your friends and corporate mates , we all get that but the fact of the matter is that this game is suffering from lack of balance along with it's performance , now the balance WE can have a hand in fixing threw suggestions and working together in a concerted effort but if we can't even do that then it's just useless to even talk about the problems that this game has because there is none that's more of a factor as matchmaking and the lack there of .
Pubs shouldn't be PC matches and most of you already know that's the case because either your part of the problem or your suffering in the problem and it just seems like those that are part of the problem , really don't care about balance and helping to relieve this game of some of the issues that WE as a community can address .
You know when your strapped in full OFC / PRO and your facing random players , you know what your doing , you know a lot of these same are MLT suits and their RANDOM players and not coordinated like yourselves , you know but you don't care and come up with every excuse in the book as to why this is right and why CCP shouldn't address this all the while this game dies a slow death but you need to get numbers to prove yourself but let me ask you this , how great are those numbers when your not facing formidable competition .?. how great are those numbers when you have to treat pub matches like PC matches when you same complain about how bad PC matches are right now and the lack there of .?. how great are those numbers when YOU are driving away potential players by these same actions and better yet , how foolish is CCP for allowing this ???
For the most part . it's only those same that get wreaked in PC matches that do this because in a PC match , these are the same that go 5 / 15 , so they strap up the PC gear to play a pub match .
If CCP is as cashed strapped as they claim , the should be trying to optimize this game to the best of their ability and trying to fix what the community complains about to try to build the base of the game and help it to grow if they really cared .
They can fix or create matchmaking but like someone else said , they just don't care to .
If you care so much about this game then rally and help to fix it , spam CCP with solutions and stop being part of the problem .
Forcing players to squad is not the solution and that's just foolish to even propose with the fact of the weight that known corporations and squads have over random players , much less these same random players in a squad , you can't even begin to compare the two but instead of trying to fix this , these same would rather bring their torch to add to the fire instead of trying to put it out .
Either you people are just that dumb or careless to even try to rationalize this like it's something that's NOT a problem and even more to keep condoning it .
It's obvious that most of you just don't care but there are some here that actually do .
Teamwork is really important - said the Tyrannosarus Rex from Kung Fury .
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XxBlazikenxX
Pure Evil.
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
3
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Posted - 2015.10.23 20:04:00 -
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Give me one good reason why players should not be forced to squad and maybe I will agree if I do not have a counter argument.
Director of Pure Evil.
Pure Evil. is mass recruiting, apply today and join a war of the Bleeding Sun vs everyone!
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
14
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Posted - 2015.10.23 20:09:00 -
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Rinzler XVII wrote:You can't force everyone to have to squad up to play a damn match, you guys are fcking deluded... You want to know why this game never took off?
The brutal truth is most people wanna play games to chill, they aren't social vampires like you who's only communication with other people is over a game... I talk all day to colleagues,friends,family, clients sometimes I don't want to talk and sadly for CCP this is true of most people in the real world so forcing people to HAVE TO BE IN A SQUAD TO EVEN PLAY A MATCH and not even giving people a gamemode or something to have a few chilled games is moronic!
If I'm a Mercenary why can't I take jobs intended to be done solo?
If any of you can answer that I'd.be amazed.. It's clearly never even crossed your minds
Because this game is intended to be a squad based game with teams of 16v16.
Designing jobs that can be done solo goes against the games base design philosophy. All the classes are made to excel in certain areas at the expense of others. The Skill system prevents you from being a generalist without huge amounts of SP.
This game is encouraging players BY DESIGN to squad up and play together to achieve their goals.
Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_;
Wanna play EVE? 30 day trial here
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Megaman Trigger
OSG Planetary Operations
880
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Posted - 2015.10.23 20:12:00 -
[52] - Quote
XxBlazikenxX wrote:Give me one good reason why players should not be forced to squad and maybe I will agree if I do not have a counter argument.
Because you can be in a squad but still lone wolf, be unsupported and/or not communicate. Being in a squad doesn't automatically equal teamwork and support if the players in the squad have no desire to work together.
Purifier. First Class.
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
2
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Posted - 2015.10.23 20:18:00 -
[53] - Quote
No.
We just need more people in the same matchmaking pool in order for the matchmaker to work properly.
KERO-TRADER is my official Eve character for Dust trading.
Search "KEROBPO" for list of bpos for sale.
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Derpty Derp
Dead Man's Game
1
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Posted - 2015.10.23 20:18:00 -
[54] - Quote
On one hand:
Solo players don't like being matched with and against squads...
On the other hand:
Squads want solo play to be removed...
Obvious solution:
Split the queues... So you can either go Solo Pub/FW, or you can go squad Pub/FW.
Then we will see if Scotty can handle solo queues, while probably gettnig less people leaving the battles.
All this at the small cost of horrible queue times, which we already have anyway. |
7th Son 7
Hakuna Matatah Inc
1
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Posted - 2015.10.23 20:19:00 -
[55] - Quote
It would not hurt this game whatsoever to have one fukin mode for solo play only. FW and PC already practically require squad based play, that leaves Public Contracts left. Out of Public Contracts one fukin mode could be for solo play only, just one. Look CCP removed the ability to spam equipment, which is fine, but then to remove the choice to join a squad when the game starts sucks asz. So a person who went into the match with the intention to solo, now sees that there's a squad of Dead Mans Game on the other team, but now they can't join a squad on their team.
Only your complete and total awareness is needed, nothing else will do. ----- OSHO
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Shaun Iwairo
DUST University
Ivy League
303
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Posted - 2015.10.23 21:55:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:I believe that you people still are not admitting the cause in point to be able to come up with a viable solution .
Even if you forced players to squad , you still will have the same problems because you will be pitting them against people who have been playing together for sometime now , they know each other's tendencies , they know each other's strong and weak points , what their specialized in and the fact that that information , the time played together in coordinated efforts from being ex or current corporation mate , helps in fighting against players that don't have the time , effort put in , knowledge of each other and the ability to put up a coordinated effort not to mention things like mics and such ... it's just no contest and you will not find a shred of balance in pub matches until you can guarantee that if there is one squad on one team , that it would be another on the other or if there are random players on one team , that the other would be comprised of the like and right now , that's not what we have .
Other players are OP, CCP plz nerf.
People get good at video games. People get good at working together in video games. There is nothing inherently 'unbalanced' about a game that lets players work together. Good squads wreck in Desinty, Battlefield, TF2, CS:GO, Planetside 2, etc. etc. No one complains about squads being OP in those games. You know why? Because everyone with any sense about them already knows that teamwork is OP. You either set a challenge for yourself by running solo, or you join a squad and get your teamwork on.
EDIT: having said that a mode that is a solo-q would be a fine idea. I think ambush.
Something is killing new player retention.
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8213
Blauhelme
E.B.O.L.A.
2
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Posted - 2015.10.24 00:50:00 -
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XxBlazikenxX wrote:8213 wrote:CCP has been working on matchmaking since the game was released.
But, CCP suffers from sever management problems.
They have been closed off to ideas and have falling victim to what is know as "Corporate Idea Inbreeding" (That's an actual term, not an insult).
They could have simply copied another game's pattern and work, but didn't.
They could have listened to the ideas and solutions presented to them, but didn't.
They could have hired people with competence and gull to do the best possible job, but didn't.
So, the matchmaking will never be fixed. It's that simple. If they were capable of doing it right in the first place, they would be capable of fixing it.
It's not a lack of management but a lack of playerbase.
That's simply not true. Especially when matches start with 4 on one team and 10+ on the other... That's 14 players. It should be 7 v7 or as close as possible.
The matchmaking system flat out doesn't f*cking work. And, it was never as bad as it is today.
Never thank me for ISK, never call me a legend, and always send your 'gg' to CCP.
Audacity of wanting improvement
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CUSE TOWN333
Capital Acquisitions LLC
3
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Posted - 2015.10.24 11:57:00 -
[58] - Quote
Rinzler XVII wrote:You can't force everyone to have to squad up to play a damn match, you guys are fcking deluded... You want to know why this game never took off?
The brutal truth is most people wanna play games to chill, they aren't social vampires like you who's only communication with other people is over a game... I talk all day to colleagues,friends,family, clients sometimes I don't want to talk and sadly for CCP this is true of most people in the real world so forcing people to HAVE TO BE IN A SQUAD TO EVEN PLAY A MATCH and not even giving people a gamemode or something to have a few chilled games is moronic!
If I'm a Mercenary why can't I take jobs intended to be done solo?
If any of you can answer that I'd.be amazed.. It's clearly never even crossed your minds LMAO i work 56 hours a week and still find time to proto stomp the **** out of crybabys scrubs. I can do it in a squad or i can do it running solo. Dust ain't the game for you there is many other games that are user friendly for the non competitive gamer. Try rocket league with the soccer cars.
actions speak louder then words.
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Roy Ventus
Axis of Chaos
2
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Posted - 2015.10.24 13:29:00 -
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XxBlazikenxX wrote:Rinzler XVII wrote:XxBlazikenxX wrote:Squads are an integral part of this game that emphasizes teamwork and coordination so no. In every single game mode though? Seriously? Pc and fw should be squads only and make pubs solo only that way pc N fw would be more competitive... You don't need squads in every damn match!! Or instead of taking squads away from pubs. We just make an autosquad option that forces everyone in the battle who joined solo to join an empty spot in a squad. If there is no room in a squad then someone who was running solo becomes a squad leader and any other solo players would join that squad.
I logged on just to like this and say:
With all my years here, I feel like I never heard someone bring up this simple ass idea... Why don't we just do this? Even if there's no algorithim to pick who's the best leader, why don't we just do this? Gosh... It would make things easier.
"There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all."
http://royventus.tumblr.com
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Rinzler XVII
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
Caldari State
405
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Posted - 2015.10.24 15:01:00 -
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CUSE TOWN333 wrote:Rinzler XVII wrote:You can't force everyone to have to squad up to play a damn match, you guys are fcking deluded... You want to know why this game never took off?
The brutal truth is most people wanna play games to chill, they aren't social vampires like you who's only communication with other people is over a game... I talk all day to colleagues,friends,family, clients sometimes I don't want to talk and sadly for CCP this is true of most people in the real world so forcing people to HAVE TO BE IN A SQUAD TO EVEN PLAY A MATCH and not even giving people a gamemode or something to have a few chilled games is moronic!
If I'm a Mercenary why can't I take jobs intended to be done solo?
If any of you can answer that I'd.be amazed.. It's clearly never even crossed your minds LMAO i work 56 hours a week and still find time to proto stomp the **** out of crybabys scrubs. I can do it in a squad or i can do it running solo. Dust ain't the game for you there is many other games that are user friendly for the non competitive gamer. Try rocket league with the soccer cars. if you were a good enough mercenary you Would be able to handle yourself solo. The problem is not the game it is you.
Haha
You have an incredibly short memory... I've played alot with and v you and your not even close to my level.. If they make a no squad gamemode I doubt you'd play it as you'd have to face me 1v1.. Don't you think I kill you enough already? Fine I'll be part of a Proto squad then and I hope we meet so I can see you Quit game :)
I Fight for the User
It's a shame that my user sucks at DUST
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