DUST Search - Please please for the love of god take squads out of pubs

Thumb Green wrote:

XxBlazikenxX wrote:

Rinzler XVII wrote:

XxBlazikenxX wrote:

Squads are an integral part of this game that emphasizes teamwork and coordination so no.

In every single game mode though? Seriously?

Pc and fw should be squads only and make pubs solo only that way pc N fw would be more competitive... You don't need squads in every damn match!!

Or instead of taking squads away from pubs. We just make an autosquad option that forces everyone in the battle who joined solo to join an empty spot in a squad. If there is no room in a squad then someone who was running solo becomes a squad leader and any other solo players would join that squad.

How about an auto and locked switch to team chat when in a match. Accomplishes getting people to work together better than shoving strangers into a squad that's verbally cut off from the rest of the team. Plus these super organized squads that already exist can work with the team better and help organize them. The only thing missing is less squad leads to set orders and drop OB's but there's no guarantee that anyone in these forced squads would know how or even remember to use them.

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Rinzler XVII Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 383	Posted - 2015.10.22 17:17:00 - [1] - Quote Matchmaking isn't working, this event is gonna be horrible for a lot of players.. It could be good if there was a working matchmaking system... Too many cheaty twats using server selection to cause lag and lowering mu in various ways... Seeing as cheaty twats aren't being punished remove squads of cheaty twats and at least pubs will be better I Fight for the User It's a shame that my user sucks at DUST
Daemonn Adima Y.A.M.A.H 431	Posted - 2015.10.22 17:18:00 - [2] - Quote No.
catsrule D3ATH CARD RUST415 64	Posted - 2015.10.22 17:21:00 - [3] - Quote Rinzler XVII wrote: Matchmaking isn't working, this event is gonna be horrible for a lot of players.. It could be good if there was a working matchmaking system... Too many cheaty twats using server selection to cause lag and lowering mu in various ways... Seeing as cheaty twats aren't being punished remove squads of cheaty twats and at least pubs will be better Uhh. No? Why do we forget the things we want to remember but remember the things we want to forget ~ Unknown
XxBlazikenxX Pure Evil. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.10.22 17:32:00 - [4] - Quote Squads are an integral part of this game that emphasizes teamwork and coordination so no. Director of Pure Evil. Pure Evil. is mass recruiting, apply today and join a war of the Bleeding Sun vs everyone!
Rinzler XVII Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 386	Posted - 2015.10.22 17:37:00 - [5] - Quote Y.A.M.A.H Seeing as I've wiped entire squads of yours alone because all 4 of you morons are so reliant on scanners you don't look behind you I'm not surprised you don't like the idea, why don't you take your squad to fw or pc? Ohhhh because then you'd face other squads... I see... Haha Catsrule... Get off your alt and post on your main... I Fight for the User It's a shame that my user sucks at DUST
XxBlazikenxX Pure Evil. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.10.22 17:39:00 - [6] - Quote Rinzler XVII wrote: Y.A.M.A.H Seeing as I've wiped entire squads of yours alone because all 4 of you morons are so reliant on scanners you don't look behind you I'm not surprised you don't like the idea, why don't you take your squad to fw or pc? Ohhhh because then you'd face other squads... I see... Haha Catsrule... Get off your alt and post on your main... Lol catsrule is actually his main. Trust me, I was surprised as well. As for beating down Y.A.M.A.H Y.A.M.A.H does FW just as much as Pubs. Usually Min. I would know because I was one of the OG Y.A.M.A.H players. Director of Pure Evil. Pure Evil. is mass recruiting, apply today and join a war of the Bleeding Sun vs everyone!
Rinzler XVII Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 386	Posted - 2015.10.22 17:39:00 - [7] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: Squads are an integral part of this game that emphasizes teamwork and coordination so no. In every single game mode though? Seriously? Pc and fw should be squads only and make pubs solo only that way pc N fw would be more competitive... You don't need squads in every damn match!! I Fight for the User It's a shame that my user sucks at DUST
catsrule D3ATH CARD RUST415 68	Posted - 2015.10.22 17:40:00 - [8] - Quote Rinzler XVII wrote: Y.A.M.A.H Seeing as I've wiped entire squads of yours alone because all 4 of you morons are so reliant on scanners you don't look behind you I'm not surprised you don't like the idea, why don't you take your squad to fw or pc? Ohhhh because then you'd face other squads... I see... Haha Catsrule... Get off your alt and post on your main... This is my main? Why do we forget the things we want to remember but remember the things we want to forget ~ Unknown
XxBlazikenxX Pure Evil. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.10.22 17:41:00 - [9] - Quote Rinzler XVII wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: Squads are an integral part of this game that emphasizes teamwork and coordination so no. In every single game mode though? Seriously? Pc and fw should be squads only and make pubs solo only that way pc N fw would be more competitive... You don't need squads in every damn match!! Or instead of taking squads away from pubs. We just make an autosquad option that forces everyone in the battle who joined solo to join an empty spot in a squad. If there is no room in a squad then someone who was running solo becomes a squad leader and any other solo players would join that squad. Director of Pure Evil. Pure Evil. is mass recruiting, apply today and join a war of the Bleeding Sun vs everyone!
LOL KILLZ LulKlz 430	Posted - 2015.10.22 17:57:00 - [10] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: Rinzler XVII wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: Squads are an integral part of this game that emphasizes teamwork and coordination so no. In every single game mode though? Seriously? Pc and fw should be squads only and make pubs solo only that way pc N fw would be more competitive... You don't need squads in every damn match!! Or instead of taking squads away from pubs. We just make an autosquad option that forces everyone in the battle who joined solo to join an empty spot in a squad. If there is no room in a squad then someone who was running solo becomes a squad leader and any other solo players would join that squad. I like Blazekin idea better ^^^^^^^ everyone to a squad!!! \0/

LOL KILLZ LulKlz 430	Posted - 2015.10.22 17:59:00 - [11] - Quote You don't need a squad of your own to take down another. Listen to Elmer Fudd Bruh!!! Shhhhhhhh..... We huntin wabbits, be vewy, vewy, quiet \0/
Foo Fighting Blank Application 563	Posted - 2015.10.22 18:35:00 - [12] - Quote There is no point in trying to convince solos to squad and vice versa - people will not change their preferences / habits to suit others in a video game. Therefore making modes all squad or all solo is not the answer. The matchmaking algorithm needs to put equal numbers of squads on each team. This could mean no squads on either team if that was the makeup of the battle queue, it could also mean 4 squads on each team, again if that's what is in the battle queue. Sadly we don't have any statistics on the makeup of matches, we can only assume based on our own matches. It seems to me that there are similar numbers of lone wolfs to squad players. I kinda like the auto-squad suggestion but cannot accept that the matchmaker can't be tweaked further to balance teams by putting equal numbers of squads on each team.
Thumb Green Elephant Riders 2	Posted - 2015.10.22 18:35:00 - [13] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: Rinzler XVII wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: Squads are an integral part of this game that emphasizes teamwork and coordination so no. In every single game mode though? Seriously? Pc and fw should be squads only and make pubs solo only that way pc N fw would be more competitive... You don't need squads in every damn match!! Or instead of taking squads away from pubs. We just make an autosquad option that forces everyone in the battle who joined solo to join an empty spot in a squad. If there is no room in a squad then someone who was running solo becomes a squad leader and any other solo players would join that squad. How about an auto and locked switch to team chat when in a match. Accomplishes getting people to work together better than shoving strangers into a squad that's verbally cut off from the rest of the team. Plus these super organized squads that already exist can work with the team better and help organize them. The only thing missing is less squad leads to set orders and drop OB's but there's no guarantee that anyone in these forced squads would know how or even remember to use them. Most of what I see around here is just a bag of dicks in need of some kicks. Dust really needs its high sec.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution 14	Posted - 2015.10.22 18:37:00 - [14] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: Rinzler XVII wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: Squads are an integral part of this game that emphasizes teamwork and coordination so no. In every single game mode though? Seriously? Pc and fw should be squads only and make pubs solo only that way pc N fw would be more competitive... You don't need squads in every damn match!! Or instead of taking squads away from pubs. We just make an autosquad option that forces everyone in the battle who joined solo to join an empty spot in a squad. If there is no room in a squad then someone who was running solo becomes a squad leader and any other solo players would join that squad. It used to be like this actually. You were auto dropped into a squad if you weren't in one. Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_; Wanna play EVE? 30 day trial here
Shaun Iwairo DUST University Ivy League 280	Posted - 2015.10.22 22:31:00 - [15] - Quote OP. If squadding up is such a terrible game-breaking mechanic, how come it works just fine in literally every other FPS ever? There are a couple of problems that squads exacerbate, but they are not the cause. Baby with the bathwater and all that. Something is killing new player retention.
Summa Militum Abstract Requiem 1	Posted - 2015.10.22 22:56:00 - [16] - Quote Rinzler XVII wrote: Matchmaking isn't working, this event is gonna be horrible for a lot of players.. It could be good if there was a working matchmaking system... Too many cheaty twats using server selection to cause lag and lowering mu in various ways... Seeing as cheaty twats aren't being punished remove squads of cheaty twats and at least pubs will be better I am all for removing Squads from Public Matches but a lot of the community doesn't like that idea. Instead I am now going to push for having squads removed from Acquisition and Ambush. Acquisition and Ambush can serve as extended training grounds for all mercs. Skirmish would still have squads and would serve as training grounds for people wanting to do FW. Domination is trash. FW would serve as training grounds for those wishing to do PC.
Eros Adonai Corrosive Synergy RUST415 633	Posted - 2015.10.22 23:33:00 - [17] - Quote If Scotty could just place solo players against other solo players, and squads against squads, then that would work for everyone... Director - Corrosive Synergy
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet RUST415 519	Posted - 2015.10.23 01:52:00 - [18] - Quote ................No
DAAAA BEAST Corrosive Synergy 3	Posted - 2015.10.23 02:40:00 - [19] - Quote I think there should be solo queues and squad queues , that would allow solo players into squad queues if they want to only but no squad queues into solo queues. Corrosive Synergy's Clown " The scrambler rifle is in fact a leaf blower. "
five times Liverpool F.C. 210	Posted - 2015.10.23 02:43:00 - [20] - Quote I'm a solo player Squads is not the problem The problem is the sharing of active and passive scans to the team and squad respectiveley. Remove this feature, and let squadders squad and communicate and play Yes it is a team game, but why is it currently a wallhack

jordy mack WarRavens Imperium Eden 812	Posted - 2015.10.23 03:29:00 - [21] - Quote remove solo players from pubs Less QQ more PewPew
Meee One Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki 1	Posted - 2015.10.23 05:55:00 - [22] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: Rinzler XVII wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: Squads are an integral part of this game that emphasizes teamwork and coordination so no. In every single game mode though? Seriously? Pc and fw should be squads only and make pubs solo only that way pc N fw would be more competitive... You don't need squads in every damn match!! Or instead of taking squads away from pubs. We just make an autosquad option that forces everyone in the battle who joined solo to join an empty spot in a squad. If there is no room in a squad then someone who was running solo becomes a squad leader and any other solo players would join that squad. How about an auto and locked switch to team chat when in a match. Accomplishes getting people to work together better than shoving strangers into a squad that's verbally cut off from the rest of the team. Plus these super organized squads that already exist can work with the team better and help organize them. The only thing missing is less squad leads to set orders and drop OB's but there's no guarantee that anyone in these forced squads would know how or even remember to use them. Hell no. Unless it comes with an on/off switch that would be the most annoying thing in the world. Your sitting in silence waiting for deployment. Force switch to team/force join squad. Hear "balls of steel" blared over and over again. Or them chewing like a cow,or whatever noise they consider music,or have a kid screaming in the background. Or just screaming into the mic,because they know you have no choice but to listen. Planetside 2 has something similar,and i deleted it just because this annoying ass function couldn't be disabled. Official Blueberry of the Forums. Title given by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Four Horseman Tactical Agency 2	Posted - 2015.10.23 06:44:00 - [23] - Quote This is an example of what I am faced with on a day to day basis , now you can say that matchmaking is working or that squads help teams win but I call bullocks on that one , squads help that squad win and kills most of the activity on their own team while stomping random players and most of you see this on a daily but the Lord forbid that CCP takes away your crutch from you ... I don't have a link but I do have pics so let me give you a run down : FDU - Enemy team : Brigada Z Gonza Vola something or other I didn't see the name scroll . Elzo Sous something or other . Paz-Y-Amo something or other . Luifs Zam something or other . Skill of God Matt Di Ma something or other . Panzer Pr something or other . Marcos M something or other . JCR Snake something or other . That's two fire teams on the same team , this is suppose to be impossible to happen with the changes to squad numbers . So is this two squads that que'd a Domination match .?. I haven't even finished giving you the rest of the enemy team before I give you the names of my team so you can see how unbalanced " matchmaking " is and how you people that condone the current situation are just dead wrong and typify the problems that this game has by condoning crutches and CCP allowing this like it will help build this game . Axchua'xa something or other for Circle of Husk something or other . Parthok from Ancient Exiles . Bounty Killer and Lupus Dra something or other was from Hellstorm LLC . XXWarlord something or other from Lords of Legion . Dread Bul something or other from Roghaigh Do S something or other . Semino Nu something or other form Isuuaya Tactical . So not only did we face TWO fire teams but would it be fair to say that the top four from the list above were in a squad as well ? Could have been but even if they weren't that just reeks of imbalance when my whole team only has two players from the same corporation and the rest were random players . I can't give you the names but I could inform you of their corps if you like , I didn't take a great picture as I was so focused on who I was up against , just to show the imbalance of matches . How can you people justify matches like this where two to three fire teams are placed against random players ? This is alright to you and garners retention ? No wonder why this games numbers just won't grow , part of it is CCP and the rest is the community and their fear of balanced and fair matches . They love their crutches . Edit : I just left the match because I wasn't going to pad someone else's stats and we were playing like crap for the most part but I didn't expect anything else given the circumstances . I left when it was almost over . Teamwork is really important - said the Tyrannosarus Rex from Kung Fury .
Shaun Iwairo DUST University Ivy League 290	Posted - 2015.10.23 07:11:00 - [24] - Quote The most OP thing in any multi-player game is when multiple players work together. This is nothing new. I think Dust could do a few things to encourage whole teams to work together better, but removing squads isn't one of them. Instead of asking for a core gameplay element to be straight up removed, why not come up with some ideas that would encourage better teamwork? That's really the problem here, isn't it? Squads are able to alert each other to danger, request specific assistance, designate objectives, co-ordinate attacks, etc. etc. You can see where their edge comes from. So how do we give that to the rest of the team? Right off the bat, objective markers that squad leaders put up could be rendered for everyone on the team - green for your squad and light blue for not-your-squad. Now everyone can see where the other squads are heading/what they are doing. Add some 'gestures'. Need ammo/need reps/danger/cover me/pulling back. Add an attack order that has a countdown timer of say 15 seconds. A squad leader throws it on an objective and suddenly all the solo players will know that if they push up when the timer hits 0, they'll have support. Damn, I actually like this idea. BRB headed to Features and Ideas. Something is killing new player retention.
g li2 Grupo de Asalto Chacal Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2015.10.23 07:42:00 - [25] - Quote I think this game is designed to play as a team. * Squads * Finder squads * Ability to set objectives * Multiple seats in vehicles * Sum of points for orbital * Role of logistics *Voice chat Etc... There are other games to play alone Also we assume that the MU of a squad multiplies individual MU SOMOS LEYENDA
QRT30 Made in Poland... E-R-A 135	Posted - 2015.10.23 08:43:00 - [26] - Quote jordy mack wrote: remove solo players from pubs haha you made my day. Great idea But seriously I would prefer region lock. I have set up only EU server. I wait sometimes a few minutes for match even domination and quest what I play with/against mostly Brazilians+Japanese and few Europeans QRT30 - open beta vet with +120 mln SP QRT300 - +36 mln SP will be located at ADS only soon Trolling prof. 5
The KTM Duke Capital Acquisitions LLC 981	Posted - 2015.10.23 08:58:00 - [27] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: Rinzler XVII wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: Squads are an integral part of this game that emphasizes teamwork and coordination so no. In every single game mode though? Seriously? Pc and fw should be squads only and make pubs solo only that way pc N fw would be more competitive... You don't need squads in every damn match!! Or instead of taking squads away from pubs. We just make an autosquad option that forces everyone in the battle who joined solo to join an empty spot in a squad. If there is no room in a squad then someone who was running solo becomes a squad leader and any other solo players would join that squad. It used to be like this actually. You were auto dropped into a squad if you weren't in one. In chromosome... Before everything happened lmao Out for 6 weeks, broken arm // RIP KTM Duke o7
Ahkhomi Cypher Opus Arcana 1	Posted - 2015.10.23 09:06:00 - [28] - Quote lfs TBD ringleader \| Yep Squad Spokesman
Shaun Iwairo DUST University Ivy League 292	Posted - 2015.10.23 09:10:00 - [29] - Quote Ahkhomi Cypher wrote: lfs wow way to contribute to the players-working-together plague Dust is experiencing. Something is killing new player retention.
Suzy Saigon Shining Flame Amarr Empire 35	Posted - 2015.10.23 09:18:00 - [30] - Quote jordy mack wrote: remove solo players from pubs And completely finish this game, once and for all, by cutting the player base MASSIVELY Less poo poo, more IQ



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