DUST Search - Yo Dawg. Minmatar and Amarr Tank workshop.

Sgt Kirk wrote:

What's up you pale, lifeless clones.

I've got a problem. I need help with numbers for an Amarr and Minmatar tank.

I know for a fact that some of the members of the community have put more thought into than I have so if you have better numbers, have input or concerns about the linked Excel Spreadsheet please post it.

Let's keep this constructive because this very well may benefit all of us.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CchE0ob-HpAtxOxHna218OTiUkvwdl3QTVOa6mAeKHw/edit#gid=0

Right now it's easy to read plain and simple. I don't like clutter.

Tell me what you think about this and I also need some help with the CPU of the Amarr tank.

The formula I used to make these stats included taking the difference between the Assault (because of the same slot layout) classes both within the race and compared to each other to make the base line stats then I took the weight of each module of the fittings that would likely go on the tank and adjusted it from there.

Minmatar HAV:
What I had in mind for the Minmatar HAV is an adaptive hit and run type HAV that fits with the adaptive Minmatar philosophy of balancing Shield and armor with Speed. That being said, the Minmatar HAV has an unusual trait of having the ideal slot layout for a shield tank but less shield HP than armor. You could also choose to "Glass cannon the fit" and armor tank it because it sports an initial 1935 armor to play around with.

Amarr HAV: Need the most help with this one.
There's not much to say about this one. It's going to be a behemoth when it comes to soaking up damage. Even so much so that I don't want to add the Amarr tank into the game until we've looked at Hardeners but rest assured. The Amarr HAV will be a force to rekon with one way or the other.

Pipedream section.

If we were to have Minmatar Artillery and AutoCannon turrets as well as Amarr Beam and Pulse Laser turrets what stats do you imagine having them as?

In addition to that if you only had to choose one turret for each of the two listed races which one would you prefer?

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Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 12	Posted - 2015.10.20 04:14:00 - [1] - Quote What's up you pale, lifeless clones. I've got a problem. I need help with numbers for an Amarr and Minmatar tank. I know for a fact that some of the members of the community have put more thought into than I have so if you have better numbers, have input or concerns about the linked Excel Spreadsheet please post it. Let's keep this constructive because this very well may benefit all of us. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CchE0ob-HpAtxOxHna218OTiUkvwdl3QTVOa6mAeKHw/edit#gid=0 Right now it's easy to read plain and simple. I don't like clutter. Tell me what you think about this and I also need some help with the CPU of the Amarr tank. The formula I used to make these stats included taking the difference between the Assault (because of the same slot layout) classes both within the race and compared to each other to make the base line stats then I took the weight of each module of the fittings that would likely go on the tank and adjusted it from there. Minmatar HAV: What I had in mind for the Minmatar HAV is an adaptive hit and run type HAV that fits with the adaptive Minmatar philosophy of balancing Shield and armor with Speed. That being said, the Minmatar HAV has an unusual trait of having the ideal slot layout for a shield tank but less shield HP than armor. You could also choose to "Glass cannon the fit" and armor tank it because it sports an initial 1935 armor to play around with. Amarr HAV: Need the most help with this one. There's not much to say about this one. It's going to be a behemoth when it comes to soaking up damage. Even so much so that I don't want to add the Amarr tank into the game until we've looked at Hardeners but rest assured. The Amarr HAV will be a force to rekon with one way or the other. Pipedream section. If we were to have Minmatar Artillery and AutoCannon turrets as well as Amarr Beam and Pulse Laser turrets what stats do you imagine having them as? In addition to that if you only had to choose one turret for each of the two listed races which one would you prefer? Sgt Kirk's Propaganda Youtube Channel
Ydubbs81 RND Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 4	Posted - 2015.10.20 04:37:00 - [2] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Even so much so that I don't want to add the Amarr tank into the game until we've looked at Hardeners Don't even want to think about Amarr tanks with how 'effective" armor hardeners are on galente HAVs Sgt Kirk wrote: Pipedream section. In addition to that if you only had to choose one turret for each of the two listed races which one would you prefer? laser turrets for amarr missile for minmatar "Bring out mass drivers & jump around goddamit" Check RND out here
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 272	Posted - 2015.10.20 04:39:00 - [3] - Quote Holy shart you need a dong slap. Those numbers are fracking absurd. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 12	Posted - 2015.10.20 04:41:00 - [4] - Quote Press Attache wrote: Holy shart you need a dong slap. Those numbers are fracking absurd. Give me something to work with. Sgt Kirk's Propaganda Youtube Channel
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 18	Posted - 2015.10.20 04:47:00 - [5] - Quote Press Attache wrote: Holy shart you need a dong slap. Those numbers are fracking absurd. That was the most amazing and well thought out post I've ever seen. Truly this is worthy of being on the first page of a feedback thread that these forums keep yelling at CCP/CPM to post. Ripley Riley: > Post Hotfix Foxour Gallente Assault: > DakkadakkadakkadakkaFREEDOMdakkadakka
Jadek Menaheim 1nner.Heaven 7	Posted - 2015.10.20 04:51:00 - [6] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Even so much so that I don't want to add the Amarr tank into the game until we've looked at Hardeners Don't even want to think about Amarr tanks with how 'effective" armor hardeners are on galente HAVs Just as a thought experiment, I'm trying to imagine how an incredibly slow (snails pace) HAV paired will almost godly hardeners in those lows might work out. A tank that can't escape, but goes in to a bastion mode. Coordinated AV focusing on the weakpoint would take it down. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 272	Posted - 2015.10.20 04:58:00 - [7] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Even so much so that I don't want to add the Amarr tank into the game until we've looked at Hardeners Don't even want to think about Amarr tanks with how 'effective" armor hardeners are on galente HAVs Just as a thought experiment, I'm trying to imagine how an incredibly slow (snails pace) HAV paired will almost godly hardeners in those lows might work out. A tank that can't escape, but goes in to a bastion mode. Coordinated AV focusing on the weakpoint would take it down. Except it doesn't have the CPU to run the hardeners. All the PG in the world doesn't matter when you only need to run one plate. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 12	Posted - 2015.10.20 05:00:00 - [8] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Even so much so that I don't want to add the Amarr tank into the game until we've looked at Hardeners Don't even want to think about Amarr tanks with how 'effective" armor hardeners are on galente HAVs Just as a thought experiment, I'm trying to imagine how an incredibly slow (snails pace) HAV paired will almost godly hardeners in those lows might work out. A tank that can't escape, but goes in to a bastion mode. Coordinated AV focusing on the weakpoint would take it down. If Hardeners remain unchanged then that's what we'd do to the Amarr tank. Have it be turtle slow and you have to rely on your brawn to survive. Sgt Kirk's Propaganda Youtube Channel
Ydubbs81 RND Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 4	Posted - 2015.10.20 05:11:00 - [9] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Even so much so that I don't want to add the Amarr tank into the game until we've looked at Hardeners Don't even want to think about Amarr tanks with how 'effective" armor hardeners are on galente HAVs Just as a thought experiment, I'm trying to imagine how an incredibly slow (snails pace) HAV paired will almost godly hardeners in those lows might work out. A tank that can't escape, but goes in to a bastion mode. Coordinated AV focusing on the weakpoint would take it down. Doubt that CCP would design a tank to be that vulnerable. Maybe if it were a shield tank...(oops) "Bring out mass drivers & jump around goddamit" Check RND out here
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution 13	Posted - 2015.10.20 05:12:00 - [10] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: laser turrets for amarr missile for minmatar If I don't get massive freaking miniguns on a tank for my minmatar, I'm going to be VERY mad. Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_; Wanna play EVE? 30 day trial here

Operative 1174 Uuali True Companion Planetary Requisitions 1	Posted - 2015.10.20 05:13:00 - [11] - Quote Descriptions are pretty much what I was thinking for the tanks. I don't do maths so staying away from numbers. The Min tank should rely more on shield hardeners for rapid strikes and the Cal tank should get it's regen up. Therefore, amin would rush around the field while Cal would keep back and move around in wide patrols. To help stop redline railing let's nerf the optimal range of rails amd promote more of the missile turret style of play. Likewise, though rails shouldn't be so good at CQ vs. missiles without mounting a module to reduce spool up. Nerf the three shot feature of the rail back down to partial damage. The Amarr tank would trade speed for armor hardener defensivness. So, it should be slow and benefit from constant patrolling around perimeters to avoid alpha strikes rather than using rapid in and out strikes. Likewise, the Gal tank should be more reliant on reppers and be changed to benefit from in and out strikes. Artillery cannon should be high alpha, but have arced trajectory to balance and one shot RoF. Therefore, it could be used up close, but not reload so fast as to alpha another tank to death with one shot kills. Autocannon would be like the blaster is now, but with bigger despersion and the blaster would get nerfed with a slower RoF and buffed with tighter despersion and a higher damage per shot. Beam turret would be long range and crap out at about two seconds of fire. Pulse would be like a scrambler rifle for a tank with single shot, but reload after so many shots and overheat after about ten shots or so. I would still like to see tanks get inherent bonuses to avoid racial turret cross over OPness. The rail on a Gal tank shouldn't be of more benefit than on a Cal tank. Likewise, a laser turret shouldn't end up benefitting another racial tank more than an Amarr tank. I'm getting sick of unintended consequences of weapons in general working out better on off-race suits and vehicles and wither become too OP when used in combo with off-race or just too weak on same race items. Vehicles don't really need a role based (previously "advanced") version rather than carry the bonuses on the standard versions. Choice of turrets would be autocannon and pulse. CCP logic GÇô We fix what doesn't need breaking.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 12	Posted - 2015.10.20 05:52:00 - [12] - Quote Talking with some of the tankers in game via mail and coms gaining some good intel on the fundamental issues of tanking. Great stuff is happening. Sgt Kirk's Propaganda Youtube Channel
First Prophet Nos Nothi 4	Posted - 2015.10.20 06:06:00 - [13] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: laser turrets for amarr missile for minmatar If I don't get massive freaking miniguns on a tank for my minmatar, I'm going to be VERY mad. I want large artillery. Super slow ROF, one shot, long reload, and a MASSIVE BOOM. Sanmatar Kelkoons now recruiting
Shaun Iwairo DUST University Ivy League 215	Posted - 2015.10.20 06:14:00 - [14] - Quote I'll probably never drive a tank but I'll sure as hell be running away from one. Running away from a Minmatar tank I'd want to be thinking 'Wow where did that come from?', 'We could probably take it out if it wasn't able to get behind cover to rep up so quickly', 'Damn those artys hit like a truck, lucky they won't be firing another round for while.' and 'Geeze those autocannons just tear through infantry' Running away from an Amarr tank I'd want to be thinking 'Welp looks like that part of the map is off limits till we can organize a bunch of AV' and 'heh at least I can actually outrun it' Something is killing new player retention.
Ydubbs81 RND Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 4	Posted - 2015.10.20 06:25:00 - [15] - Quote First Prophet wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: laser turrets for amarr missile for minmatar If I don't get massive freaking miniguns on a tank for my minmatar, I'm going to be VERY mad. I want large artillery. Super slow ROF, one shot, long reload, and a MASSIVE BOOM. When we are saying "one shot"...we are talking one shot would take another tank out? If so, that tank would never leave the redline. If it does, it would take a few shots from another tank, blow it up and go back to the redline. Rinse and repeat. "Bring out mass drivers & jump around goddamit" Check RND out here
First Prophet Nos Nothi 4	Posted - 2015.10.20 06:30:00 - [16] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: First Prophet wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: laser turrets for amarr missile for minmatar If I don't get massive freaking miniguns on a tank for my minmatar, I'm going to be VERY mad. I want large artillery. Super slow ROF, one shot, long reload, and a MASSIVE BOOM. When we are saying "one shot"...we are talking one shot would take another tank out? If so, that tank would never leave the redline. If it does, it would take a few shots from another tank, blow it up and go back to the redline. Rinse and repeat. I mean one shot and it has to wait a long reload, like the cooldown from an overheated rail long. Every time. Maybe let it be shortened slightly per level. The actual damage numbers can be decided by the nerds. Sanmatar Kelkoons now recruiting
shanatak Prima Gallicus 37	Posted - 2015.10.20 06:36:00 - [17] - Quote And about the ads minmattar and amar ?
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 12	Posted - 2015.10.20 06:42:00 - [18] - Quote shanatak wrote: And about the ads minmattar and amar ? Baby Steps Sgt Kirk's Propaganda Youtube Channel
KGB Sleep 1	Posted - 2015.10.20 07:04:00 - [19] - Quote Too bad Min tanks can't have a giant blowtorch for a cannon, be super speedy and be the "melee tank." A giant saw made out of nova knives would do. Battlebots514 Because beer, that's why.
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 272	Posted - 2015.10.20 07:06:00 - [20] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Press Attache wrote: Holy shart you need a dong slap. Those numbers are fracking absurd. That was the most amazing and well thought out post I've ever seen. Truly this is worthy of being on the first page of a feedback thread that these forums keep yelling at CCP/CPM to post. Straight up, go take a long walk off a short pier. I talk tanking knowledge to those who want to listen. Better to get on coms with said CSM than to try to hash it out for the plebs to see. They wouldn't understand what I am talking about anyway. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.

shanatak Prima Gallicus 37	Posted - 2015.10.20 07:09:00 - [21] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: shanatak wrote: And about the ads minmattar and amar ? Baby Steps ???
Juno Tristan Obscure Reference 930	Posted - 2015.10.20 07:37:00 - [22] - Quote Tanks are not in a good place right now (2 viable armour fits, hardener is a must), so I don't think adding more of the same will help Can we set up tanks as follows High HP Low Repair/regen Very slow acceleration Slightly lower top speed And hopefully this can be programmed No repair/regen/active mod recovery or activation whilst in the redline ADS Ramming Revenge! Plasma Cannon Rampage
Regnier Feros Dead Man's Game 945	Posted - 2015.10.20 10:29:00 - [23] - Quote True Adamance it's your time to shine!!!! GET IN HERE !!!!!!! I LIKE PIE
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 897	Posted - 2015.10.20 10:43:00 - [24] - Quote Base armor is a tad too high for minhav. Madrugar already handles like a cathedral on wheels, making the amarr worse than that = why bother. Min turret should be twin barrel rapid fire, with the ability to aim high enough to be AA. Lascannon! I have an old post on amarr turretry somewhere. I want a badazz magna beam large. Smalls can be pulse. Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
The KTM Duke Capital Acquisitions LLC 980	Posted - 2015.10.20 11:43:00 - [25] - Quote shanatak wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: shanatak wrote: And about the ads minmattar and amar ? Baby Steps ??? 1 thing per time, better not hurry and have to deal with almost balanced vehicle stuff // H0riz0n Unlimit // Gallente Assault since 28/7/2013 // YouGotKilledByAGuyWithFramerateDrops
Sanchez Rivera Wolf Pack Special Forces Rise Of Legion. 99	Posted - 2015.10.20 13:14:00 - [26] - Quote I'm No Tanker, But We'll Need These Tanks On The Militia Section Too, Specially The Militia Minmatar Tank With Pre-Fitted Large Milita Missile Turret EDIT: The STD Amarr Tank Has Less Shields? Why? I Hope Cheap Tanks Get Treated In A Fair Way I Want To Have All The BPOs :3
captainIreland Mcalpines Fusiliers 69	Posted - 2015.10.20 15:54:00 - [27] - Quote Iv said it before armour hardeners should soak up damage to a point were they run out. The more damage they take the quicker the hardeners go out that way if half my team change to av they can make quick work of that tank plus the tank will know when to leave that area I have the simplest tastes. I am always satisfied with the best.
dreth longbow Bank of DUST 514 149	Posted - 2015.10.20 17:32:00 - [28] - Quote All tanks need 1 more slot and just a little bit more cpu/pg more reps on the amarr tank Death before dishonor. Adapt or Die war is hell
Sanchez Rivera Wolf Pack Special Forces Rise Of Legion. 99	Posted - 2015.10.20 17:46:00 - [29] - Quote Will This Kill Game Performance...? If So... We Need Tanks To Have The Skin Slot And Get "Quafe" Tank Skins Tradeable ASAP But This Should Be In The Ideas Section o.o Carry On... I Want To Have All The BPOs :3
TooMany Names AlreadyTaken Going for the gold 1	Posted - 2015.10.20 17:47:00 - [30] - Quote Both new tanks have less overall CPU/PG for some reason? Balance it out with their "brothers" AM - GA / MN - CA. Minmatar have too long shield delays for hit-and-run, proposal; 5 sec recharge delay - 10 sec depleted delay. For turrets use Minmatar AutoCannon and Amarr Heavy Laser Beam. Amarr are ranged, Minmatar are CQC hit-and-run like you said. I see a bright future in these tanks' lives, but will they be new hull designs or reskins of existing models? No.Gäó

TooMany Names AlreadyTaken Going for the gold 1	Posted - 2015.10.20 19:47:00 - [31] - Quote Holy bumpersticker. No.Gäó
Georgia Xavier Incorruptibles 1	Posted - 2015.10.20 22:47:00 - [32] - Quote Press Attache wrote: They wouldn't understand what I am talking about anyway. Tips fedora M'pilot~ Click for an instant good day! (or atleast cheer you up a bit)
Terry Webber Molon Labe. RUST415 869	Posted - 2015.10.20 23:53:00 - [33] - Quote TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote: Both new tanks have less overall CPU/PG for some reason? Balance it out with their "brothers" AM - GA / MN - CA. Minmatar have too long shield delays for hit-and-run, proposal; 5 sec recharge delay - 10 sec depleted delay. For turrets use Minmatar AutoCannon and Amarr Heavy Laser Beam. Amarr are ranged, Minmatar are CQC hit-and-run like you said. I see a bright future in these tanks' lives, but will they be new hull designs or reskins of existing models? They're more likely to be reskins. Sgt Kirk wrote: shanatak wrote: And about the ads minmattar and amar ? Baby Steps That looks like a juicy hint. Inertial Booster Module Vehicle Installation
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 12	Posted - 2015.10.21 05:10:00 - [34] - Quote TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote: will they be new hull designs or reskins of existing models? For now they would just be preexisting models. Sgt Kirk's Propaganda Youtube Channel
Ateroith KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 302	Posted - 2015.10.21 05:15:00 - [35] - Quote hype hype hype hype hype hype complete the matari i love it more hype hype hype hype CAN'T WAIT TO SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE OMG PLS MAKE IT LOOK SICK NOT UGLY LIKE MINMATAR HEAVY LIKE SRSLY WTF WHY IS MIN HEAVY SUIT LOOK LIKE IT'S HELD UP BY RUGGEDY STICKS jk I love all matari things "...Rule #2 - Never start a fight. Rule #3 - Never lose one either." - Lee Child
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 21	Posted - 2015.10.21 05:53:00 - [36] - Quote Minmatar HAV should have great acceleration by comparison to other HAV but **** poor turning power whereas the Amarr HAV should more or less be the opposite in that it should be slow to accelerate but good at turning. Frankly I still don't believe this will eventuate into anything and even then if it will be anything worth getting excited for. Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 529	Posted - 2015.10.21 06:06:00 - [37] - Quote I have a massive spreadsheet for this actually... however, the stats are based on an assumption of re-doing how vehicles work at a fundamental level. Breakin' might still have access to it...but I'll redo one with current statistics to allow for generation of statistics Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 12	Posted - 2015.10.21 06:09:00 - [38] - Quote Thaddeus Reynolds wrote: I have a massive spreadsheet for this actually... however, the stats are based on an assumption of re-doing how vehicles work at a fundamental level. Breakin' might still have access to it...but I'll redo one with current statistics to allow for generation of statistics I would greatly appreciate it, Thaddeus. Sgt Kirk's Propaganda Youtube Channel
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 21	Posted - 2015.10.21 06:17:00 - [39] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Thaddeus Reynolds wrote: I have a massive spreadsheet for this actually... however, the stats are based on an assumption of re-doing how vehicles work at a fundamental level. Breakin' might still have access to it...but I'll redo one with current statistics to allow for generation of statistics I would greatly appreciate it, Thaddeus. I told you he had a spreadsheet! Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 12	Posted - 2015.10.21 07:00:00 - [40] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Thaddeus Reynolds wrote: I have a massive spreadsheet for this actually... however, the stats are based on an assumption of re-doing how vehicles work at a fundamental level. Breakin' might still have access to it...but I'll redo one with current statistics to allow for generation of statistics I would greatly appreciate it, Thaddeus. I told you he had a spreadsheet! I'd be really interested to heard what the CPM is thinking about doing for the new HAV mobility stats and whether or not those and being based of existing turret types, with bonuses in mind, etc. No bonuses right now as far as I know and I'd like the get Turrets in too but that's more of a second thought right now sadly. Sgt Kirk's Propaganda Youtube Channel

Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 530	Posted - 2015.10.21 07:05:00 - [41] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: True Adamance wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Thaddeus Reynolds wrote: I have a massive spreadsheet for this actually... however, the stats are based on an assumption of re-doing how vehicles work at a fundamental level. Breakin' might still have access to it...but I'll redo one with current statistics to allow for generation of statistics I would greatly appreciate it, Thaddeus. I told you he had a spreadsheet! I'd be really interested to heard what the CPM is thinking about doing for the new HAV mobility stats and whether or not those and being based of existing turret types, with bonuses in mind, etc. No bonuses right now as far as I know and I'd like the get Turrets in too but that's more of a second thought right now sadly. You got a Skype Kirk? I'm modifying a copy of one of my other vehicle spreadsheets, but would need some of your input so I know exactly what you do and don't need Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 12	Posted - 2015.10.21 07:09:00 - [42] - Quote Thaddeus Reynolds wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: True Adamance wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Thaddeus Reynolds wrote: I have a massive spreadsheet for this actually... however, the stats are based on an assumption of re-doing how vehicles work at a fundamental level. Breakin' might still have access to it...but I'll redo one with current statistics to allow for generation of statistics I would greatly appreciate it, Thaddeus. I told you he had a spreadsheet! I'd be really interested to heard what the CPM is thinking about doing for the new HAV mobility stats and whether or not those and being based of existing turret types, with bonuses in mind, etc. No bonuses right now as far as I know and I'd like the get Turrets in too but that's more of a second thought right now sadly. You got a Skype Kirk? I'm modifying a copy of one of my other vehicle spreadsheets, but would need some of your input so I know exactly what you do and don't need Search for jadkirk pic should be me eating a Watermelon. Sgt Kirk's Youtube Channel Skype: jadkirk
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 21	Posted - 2015.10.21 07:27:00 - [43] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Search for jadkirk pic should be me eating a Watermelon. I always new you were a space racist! Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
No-one-ganks like-Gaston Corrosive Synergy RUST415 209	Posted - 2015.10.21 07:35:00 - [44] - Quote Oh god, I'm so excited for this. I think I'm going to save the respec from this upcoming event and put all the SP from my old main into tanks when the time comes. I can't wait to have my very own mobile scrap heap. It's happened once or twice someone couldn't pay the price, and I'm afraid I had to rake 'em 'cross the coals.
Luther Mandrix WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL RUST415 652	Posted - 2015.10.21 07:52:00 - [45] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: What's up you pale, lifeless clones. I've got a problem. I need help with numbers for an Amarr and Minmatar tank. I know for a fact that some of the members of the community have put more thought into than I have so if you have better numbers, have input or concerns about the linked Excel Spreadsheet please post it. Let's keep this constructive because this very well may benefit all of us. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CchE0ob-HpAtxOxHna218OTiUkvwdl3QTVOa6mAeKHw/edit#gid=0 Right now it's easy to read plain and simple. I don't like clutter. Tell me what you think about this and I also need some help with the CPU of the Amarr tank. The formula I used to make these stats included taking the difference between the Assault (because of the same slot layout) classes both within the race and compared to each other to make the base line stats then I took the weight of each module of the fittings that would likely go on the tank and adjusted it from there. Minmatar HAV: What I had in mind for the Minmatar HAV is an adaptive hit and run type HAV that fits with the adaptive Minmatar philosophy of balancing Shield and armor with Speed. That being said, the Minmatar HAV has an unusual trait of having the ideal slot layout for a shield tank but less shield HP than armor. You could also choose to "Glass cannon the fit" and armor tank it because it sports an initial 1935 armor to play around with. Amarr HAV: Need the most help with this one. There's not much to say about this one. It's going to be a behemoth when it comes to soaking up damage. Even so much so that I don't want to add the Amarr tank into the game until we've looked at Hardeners but rest assured. The Amarr HAV will be a force to rekon with one way or the other. Pipedream section. If we were to have Minmatar Artillery and AutoCannon turrets as well as Amarr Beam and Pulse Laser turrets what stats do you imagine having them as? In addition to that if you only had to choose one turret for each of the two listed races which one would you prefer? How about when blaster overheats for the amar it does damage to the vehicle
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 21	Posted - 2015.10.21 09:08:00 - [46] - Quote Luther Mandrix wrote: How about when blaster overheats for the amar it does damage to the vehicle What benefit does the Amarr HAV gain for that set back? Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
postapo wastelander Corrosive Synergy RUST415 1	Posted - 2015.10.21 11:19:00 - [47] - Quote I cannot help here im not driver (most tanks/lavs what i drove in past were stolen XD), but i support this idea i would LOVE to see racial wehicles in dust (like any other kind of racial technology). Oki Amarr should be slow and heavy with something like heavy laser, and some scramble lazors all that with badass armor. (Benefit for amarr tank maybe repairs? or less overheating of GoDLazOr cannon?!) (Negatives i thing slow as helvete is great option) Minmatar hit and run with 50x50shield/armor like in lore, mobile artilery what hits hard and autocannons. (Benefit for minmatar range and blast radius for tower, speed) (Negatives not great in shields or armor, somthing like Oki but not great) Numbers boyko sorry i do not know anything about tank structure. *"Forge syndicalist of Corrosive Synergy"*
Luther Mandrix WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL RUST415 653	Posted - 2015.10.21 20:28:00 - [48] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Luther Mandrix wrote: How about when blaster overheats for the amar it does damage to the vehicle What benefit does the Amarr HAV gain for that set back? Exploding Weapons is a trait of the Amarr in Dust.Can't say my Small and medium Laser ever Exploded in Eve as I don't Overheat them in Eve(got to hit overheat button) where in dust you just shoot and your gun overheats and explodes. Sniping Amarr Tanks more damage farther out less damage up close. How about the Turrent should be like a forge gun when it gets to the top its overheat zone.Turrent fires when triger is released. Red zone damage greater but can explode and hurt HAV Just give the Turrent a Mega Breach forge gun stats that stops the HAV to fire(this version no overheating)


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