EVE: In development: EXPLORING THE CHARACTER BAZAAR & SKILL TRADING

Sounds a bit like a post I brought forward a long while back.

[Idea] Use District Kredits or AUR to sell chunks of your unallocated skill points

Could you explain this in dumb talk?

old man has skill
old man turns skill into packet
old man gives packet to newbie
newbie eats packet
newbie gets skill

EVE: In development: EXPLORING THE CHARACTER BAZAAR & SKILL TRADING

Sounds a bit like a post I brought forward a long while back.

[Idea] Use District Kredits or AUR to sell chunks of your unallocated skill points

EDIT:

After studying it a bit more in depth the ability to create farm characters here is going to be crazy. I would not call this game breaking or even an exploit as it feeds CCP cash as well as gives players an amazing amount of freedom in New Eden that is unlike anything ever before. I have to give huge props on this one to CCP. Another great thing here is it almost entirely eliminates the need for name changes and what not as you can essentially give transfer all your skills over to a new character.

The face of Eve Online is about to get incredibly shifted from top to bottom and I for one absolutely can not wait.

And suddenly millions of inactive multi-box miner accounts cried out as they were cannibalized for SP to recoup the losses of their overlord.

I am looking forward to word of CCP bringing this system to Dust. We're running into the limited issue of players reaching the skill cap within the next few months to a year.

Here's a video of a Dust player with 200 million SP posted in July.
https://youtu.be/_7aVXN3le10

jesus christ.

And suddenly millions of inactive multi-box miner accounts cried out as they were cannibalized for SP to recoup the losses of their overlord.

I am looking forward to word of CCP bringing this system to Dust. We're running into the limited issue of players reaching the skill cap within the next few months to a year.

Here's a video of a Dust player with 200 million SP posted in July.
https://youtu.be/_7aVXN3le10

Seems pretty dumb to me.

I'd think active skill point accrual would drive more activity in Eve.

With that system,
I could imagine a legion of alts farming SP and skills for a month
then transferring them at once to same dude, giving him years of SP in one go.


There goes down the drain any game with intent to have multi-year progress of a skill tree.

Should we have this in Dust? Not sure. It would certainly help established players roll up effective alts faster, not sure if that's a good thing though. For most of the mercs that have the SP to spare, ISK is already fairly meaningless. New players wouldn't be able to afford the packets as there's no way for them to get large chunks of ISK quickly. It might work for them as a direct Aurum -> Aurum trade but I doubt CCP would go there, and I wouldn't blame them.

EVE: In development: EXPLORING THE CHARACTER BAZAAR & SKILL TRADING

Sounds a bit like a post I brought forward a long while back.

[Idea] Use District Kredits or AUR to sell chunks of your unallocated skill points

Notice how utterly **** on it is on the Comments thread. There's no way this will actually happen.

The Eve vocal minority doesn't always like change. CCP appears to be looking to options to use players as recruiters via skill transfers to bring new players into EVE. Subscription numbers are they lowest they've been since 2008.

Get people into the big sandbox faster.

That means allowing people to buy Skillpoints, which is blatant pay-to-win in what is already a pay-to-play game.

That's unacceptable.

HOWEVER, I'm not one to go screaming at people for trying new ideas. Every now and then people come up with bad ones and that's normal.

There are just too many variables on what "activity" means in Eve for that.

This will HUGELY drive activity as people who are impatient won't have to wait months for the shiny new ship they want to sport for their alliance. I can also already see mining corps sitting around handing these things to newbies on day 1 to get them pumping cash from the start.

The entire economy is going to get shifted by this over the first month or two.

Also, there's no vocal minority in this. That Comments thread is already 61 pages long and counting, and almost everything I've read is by different individual accounts. There's barely anyone that's stated support for this idea.

Even if you have the 'sp' to fly a big ship, it doesn't necessarily mean you have the 'skill' to fly it.

How is it pay-to-win if you can convert plex to AUR already?

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Aurum

That makes sense.

If Dust has a future wouldn't mind something like that. Corporations would be able to bring along a noob pretty quick. Can you imagine the butthurt over a player getting up to 20 mil SP and then leaving Corp?

The Eve vocal minority doesn't always like change. CCP appears to be looking to options to use players as recruiters via skill transfers to bring new players into EVE. Subscription numbers are they lowest they've been since 2008.

Get people into the big sandbox faster.

I have been reading the first page and saw how almost everyone who posted there is taking a dump on the idea. Even the CSM seems to be against it. But then again, there were about 2-3 CSM members vocally against the idea on the first page of that thread. Not sure how the rest of the CSM feels.

Also, those people seem to be missing the point here. They seem to act as if suddenly CCP is going to sell SP for AUR. But when you look at the details closely, it's just SP moving from one character to another with diminished returns on older characters.

I brought this up with Jadek earlier on Twitter when I noticed how similar it is to his idea. In fact, I think this idea dates back even further to when CCP CmdrWang was still working at the CCP Shanghai office when the idea of "skillback boosters" was brought up by someone.

In the context of Eve Online, I don't see a problem with this. But in the context of Dust this can present a problem because, unlike Eve Online, Dust is free-to-play and you can create however many accounts your PS3 would allow for free and use that for alt farming on a massive scale. Eve Online has a subscription requirement and obviously trial accounts will be very limited in what they can do regarding this.

I'm sure it would be similar to trading now. If players want to drop $25 per farm, then let them.

I'm at 140 mil SP and I'm probably 10 mil away from literally having every single thing that I want in Dust maxed out. And I don't use 90% of the stuff I can.

I've spent a lot of time and money on Dust to get to that point, but I wouldn't care if it was minimized by a system like this. Just as I supported the raised cap and respecs. The thing I've noticed about Eve players as well as many Dust players with a knowledge of Eve, they'd rather see their game die than tweak the skill point system.

@Maken

You knew exactly how you were phrasing it.

http://katahu.deviantart.com/art/Rebellion01-492312197

Because CCP retroactively deemed an action exploit (six months later) and removed all the SP gained thru it.
The scale being removed was any multiplier of 3 M SP. Any multiplier means really any number, as long as there was will to pay 2100 AUr per multiplier. In theory, infinite SP was available.


Therefore, I'd like to see that person (Olssam62?) post a current vid or pic.

Got to admit

If I was still playing EVE I'd probably be with the "BUT WTF MY 100M+ SP CHARACTER OMG RESPECS CCCP TURNING EVE INTO COMMUNIST SKILL UTOPIA WTF EVE IS DED" crowd

but being out of the loop for nearly two years this is just funny to watch instead

Can't say I'm overly fond of the idea.

With the proposed system (EVE), a very rich person could theoretically create a new character, buy up basically the entire market worth of Skill Injectors, and then go for a instant skill binge which makes his character the same SP as a players who have played for years (and have subscribed every month).

That is Pay to Win in its purest form.

With that said (in the interest of discussion), IF they would go ahead with this, I would rather have the skill injection take exponentially longer time rather than diminishing returns.

Think of it as pumping a pressure container. The higher the initial pressure (more SP) the more force (time) it will take to raise it further. A low SP character might inject the SP within a few days, but with 80+ Mil character it will take months.

Now, combine this with changing the proposed skill injector to a neural implant (with no skill requirement), and you have a very interesting system. Neural Implants are destroyed upon clone death in EVE, so it becomes increasingly risky to wear one for a prolonged time in EVE.

So not only do high SP characters need to wait longer to reap the benefits of the implant, they run a higher risk of loosing it in the process.

The same highly rich (and not so smart) player would be able to take his new character to a moderate SP reasonably quickly, but he would not be able to insta-jump ahead old time vets, and risk of loosing everything if he is careless.

Just my 2 ISK

Why not limit the number of injections a character can use in a certain timeframe?

Think of it as pumping a pressure container. The higher the initial pressure (more SP) the more force (time) it will take to raise it further. A low SP character might inject the SP within a few days, but with 80+ Mil character it will take months.

Now, combine this with changing the proposed skill injector to a neural implant (with no skill requirement), and you have a very interesting system. Neural Implants are destroyed upon clone death in EVE, so it becomes increasingly risky to wear one for a prolonged time in EVE.

old man has skill
old man turns skill into packet
old man gives packet to newbie
newbie eats packet
newbie gets skill

Sweet poetry in motion.

old man has skill
old man turns skill into packet
old man gives packet to newbie
newbie eats packet
newbie gets skill

The definition of 'pay-to-win' seems to continuously change to support BS like this... Never fails...

Give it another year or so and someone will just outright propose the purchase of SP for Aurum with no fancy mechanics like transferring in the mix. You just throw $5 and buy the SP. Not pay to win because #reasons. Next thing you know everyone and their mother that has money can fly Titans after three months and the entire aspect of choices and decisions mattering in the long term goes out the window. Specialization becomes a myth, just like in Dust 514 (like, seriously, there's no such thing as specialization when you can run every light/medium/heavy with every module, equipment, and weapon).

Makes you wonder what the point of skills are at all if not to be a barrier between players who do pay and players who don't pay. At some point you have to wonder why even have the skills if everyone can fly everything.

Dust 514 instituted the foundation for it and now Eve Online is wanted to ride that pony. But yanno, not PTW so no big deal. Nothing is lost save for the core principles which made the game popular for over a decade.

CCP has announced a new proposed feature that would allow players to sell SP to each other, the cost of this transaction will be some Aurum.

First of all, let's discuss what this change does NOT do. It does not change the level of GÇ£pay 2 winGÇ¥ or GÇ£free 2 playGÇ¥ nature of the game. The character market already exists, and so does PLEX. This does not grant anyone any new access to power that they did not already have access to in order to convert real life money into in game power. What this does do is it allows it to be done more conveniently, over time, and in smaller amounts. This does not actually compound any problems with p2w that other games experience, because no new avenue of power is being created, what this allows is more access, and more understanding of that process.

However, what this change does do is allow players to invest their power in what they care about.

Now I know, a lot of you vets understand that our ships are our tools, and our characters are just tools to access our other tools. That the game is played by players, not characters. You have to shake that feeling off, and realize the customer this is being sold to. Because, this side of it ainGÇÖt for you.

I have always made a hobby of recruiting people into EVE. I am very passionate about it, so tolerating me for any real length of time generally requires you to know enough about EVE to have a) heard about it to any length you desire and b) gotten a trial account and anything you want and personally lead through the game if you so desire (I am a bit over-zealous I am afraid). However, thanks to this and my love for newbies in general, I have kept a pretty good pulse on why people quit the game, and what I have found is very large percent of players quit because they want to advance faster, are willing to pay for it, but donGÇÖt want to give up their identity.

We arenGÇÖt talking about huge claims for power either, some people would be willing to pay the price of a game (50 bucks) to buy enough SP to get started. A few million SP to allocate to ensure you can at least pull your weight with your buddy, nothing wrong with that. The problem they all run into is that buying a character on the market is too impersonal for these people. They are not attached to the game yet. Their whole attachment is their character. The first thing they did was painstakingly chose a race, bloodline, school, and sculpted every contour of their skeleton until it was perfect. Now, drop him, pay 50 bucks and buy xXMOMhumperSS from the market. I know he has corp history that is suspicious, but that is why he is so cheap. And that is when you lost them.

This change allows those wish to invest in their own identity a chance to compete with those who couldnGÇÖt care. The pricing will be prohibitive to make a profit off the system, the price of aurum can dictate the value of the product vs. PLEX, and they will ensure you cannot sell your SP for greater than the cost to have an account long enough to earn that SP.

There are some funny things to be sure, like what happens when a hacked account gets sold in parts, and applied, those skills then are used to fly a ship. Then that SP is taken away, what happens? However, these are just design concerns that can easily be worked out. CCP has given us the power to finally shave off those cruddy mining skills we accidentally trained when we didnGÇÖt know better, and also allow new players to step up to the plate just a little bit quicker. What's to hate?

old man has skill
old man turns skill into packet
old man gives packet to newbie
newbie eats packet
newbie gets skill

Pure evil nonsense.

This feature will die before they even start work on it.

Pure evil nonsense.

This feature will die before they even start work on it.

o_O

I don't even know why this post is so popular.