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Jadek Menaheim
1nner.Heaven
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Posted - 2015.10.15 21:33:00 -
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EVE: In development: EXPLORING THE CHARACTER BAZAAR & SKILL TRADING
Sounds a bit like a post I brought forward a long while back.
[Idea] Use District Kredits or AUR to sell chunks of your unallocated skill points
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XxBlazikenxX
Pure Evil. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.10.15 21:41:00 -
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Could you explain this in dumb talk?
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.10.15 21:54:00 -
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XxBlazikenxX wrote:Could you explain this in dumb talk?
old man has skill old man turns skill into packet old man gives packet to newbie newbie eats packet newbie gets skill
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XxBlazikenxX
Pure Evil. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.10.15 21:55:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:XxBlazikenxX wrote:Could you explain this in dumb talk? old man has skill old man turns skill into packet old man gives packet to newbie newbie eats packet newbie gets skill Ah
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.10.15 21:57:00 -
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I am a bit confused on the overall application of this system but that is probably because it seems to be in it's early stages.
Overall this system sounds amazing and I can not wait to see it in action. I believe this will help revenues for CCP a lot as this perfectly addresses the reasons that I have not personally splashed several hundred dollars on a new character. My brain is going absolutely insane with the ways to make ISK off of this through strategic training, implants, and remaps. If I even came close to understanding everything properly this essentially makes your character a free ISK generation plant provided you are willing to give up training your own skills.
I think a similar system should be considered for Dust so that anxious new players can make some better jumps to close the SP gaps which we have currently.
EDIT:
After studying it a bit more in depth the ability to create farm characters here is going to be crazy. I would not call this game breaking or even an exploit as it feeds CCP cash as well as gives players an amazing amount of freedom in New Eden that is unlike anything ever before. I have to give huge props on this one to CCP. Another great thing here is it almost entirely eliminates the need for name changes and what not as you can essentially give transfer all your skills over to a new character.
The face of Eve Online is about to get incredibly shifted from top to bottom and I for one absolutely can not wait. |
MrShooter01
Ustio Mercenary Squadron
1
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Posted - 2015.10.15 22:30:00 -
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Got to admit
If I was still playing EVE I'd probably be with the "BUT WTF MY 100M+ SP CHARACTER OMG RESPECS CCCP TURNING EVE INTO COMMUNIST SKILL UTOPIA WTF EVE IS DED" crowd
but being out of the loop for nearly two years this is just funny to watch instead |
Jadek Menaheim
1nner.Heaven
7
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Posted - 2015.10.15 22:31:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:EDIT:
After studying it a bit more in depth the ability to create farm characters here is going to be crazy. I would not call this game breaking or even an exploit as it feeds CCP cash as well as gives players an amazing amount of freedom in New Eden that is unlike anything ever before. I have to give huge props on this one to CCP. Another great thing here is it almost entirely eliminates the need for name changes and what not as you can essentially give transfer all your skills over to a new character.
The face of Eve Online is about to get incredibly shifted from top to bottom and I for one absolutely can not wait. And suddenly millions of inactive multi-box miner accounts cried out as they were cannibalized for SP to recoup the losses of their overlord.
I am looking forward to word of CCP bringing this system to Dust. We're running into the limited issue of players reaching the skill cap within the next few months to a year.
Here's a video of a Dust player with 200 million SP posted in July. https://youtu.be/_7aVXN3le10
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emm kay
Direct Action Resources
394
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Posted - 2015.10.15 22:43:00 -
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Jadek Menaheim wrote:deezy dabest wrote:EDIT:
After studying it a bit more in depth the ability to create farm characters here is going to be crazy. I would not call this game breaking or even an exploit as it feeds CCP cash as well as gives players an amazing amount of freedom in New Eden that is unlike anything ever before. I have to give huge props on this one to CCP. Another great thing here is it almost entirely eliminates the need for name changes and what not as you can essentially give transfer all your skills over to a new character.
The face of Eve Online is about to get incredibly shifted from top to bottom and I for one absolutely can not wait. And suddenly millions of inactive multi-box miner accounts cried out as they were cannibalized for SP to recoup the losses of their overlord. I am looking forward to word of CCP bringing this system to Dust. We're running into the limited issue of players reaching the skill cap within the next few months to a year. Here's a video of a Dust player with 200 million SP posted in July. https://youtu.be/_7aVXN3le10 jesus christ.
There is a reason you never see me in battle.
it's because I see you first.
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
2
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Posted - 2015.10.15 23:13:00 -
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emm kay wrote:Jadek Menaheim wrote:deezy dabest wrote:EDIT:
After studying it a bit more in depth the ability to create farm characters here is going to be crazy. I would not call this game breaking or even an exploit as it feeds CCP cash as well as gives players an amazing amount of freedom in New Eden that is unlike anything ever before. I have to give huge props on this one to CCP. Another great thing here is it almost entirely eliminates the need for name changes and what not as you can essentially give transfer all your skills over to a new character.
The face of Eve Online is about to get incredibly shifted from top to bottom and I for one absolutely can not wait. And suddenly millions of inactive multi-box miner accounts cried out as they were cannibalized for SP to recoup the losses of their overlord. I am looking forward to word of CCP bringing this system to Dust. We're running into the limited issue of players reaching the skill cap within the next few months to a year. Here's a video of a Dust player with 200 million SP posted in July. https://youtu.be/_7aVXN3le10 jesus christ.
I wonder how if he still has that many skill points. Why am I talking about losing SP???
Because CCP retroactively deemed an action exploit (six months later) and removed all the SP gained thru it. The scale being removed was any multiplier of 3 M SP. Any multiplier means really any number, as long as there was will to pay 2100 AUr per multiplier. In theory, infinite SP was available.
Therefore, I'd like to see that person (Olssam62?) post a current vid or pic.
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Thor Odinson42
Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.10.15 23:21:00 -
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Seems pretty dumb to me.
I'd think active skill point accrual would drive more activity in Eve.
"Lonewolfing is hard because everyone is lonewolfing."
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance.
3
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Posted - 2015.10.15 23:23:00 -
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Jadek Menaheim wrote:deezy dabest wrote:EDIT:
After studying it a bit more in depth the ability to create farm characters here is going to be crazy. I would not call this game breaking or even an exploit as it feeds CCP cash as well as gives players an amazing amount of freedom in New Eden that is unlike anything ever before. I have to give huge props on this one to CCP. Another great thing here is it almost entirely eliminates the need for name changes and what not as you can essentially give transfer all your skills over to a new character.
The face of Eve Online is about to get incredibly shifted from top to bottom and I for one absolutely can not wait. And suddenly millions of inactive multi-box miner accounts cried out as they were cannibalized for SP to recoup the losses of their overlord. I am looking forward to word of CCP bringing this system to Dust. We're running into the limited issue of players reaching the skill cap within the next few months to a year. Here's a video of a Dust player with 200 million SP posted in July. https://youtu.be/_7aVXN3le10
I think I am going to start cooking up a few characters on a hardcore remap and some implants in place.
That +9 implant from the starter pack on amazon sounds like it will literally pay for itself now. |
deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.10.15 23:29:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Seems pretty dumb to me.
I'd think active skill point accrual would drive more activity in Eve.
There are just too many variables on what "activity" means in Eve for that.
This will HUGELY drive activity as people who are impatient won't have to wait months for the shiny new ship they want to sport for their alliance. I can also already see mining corps sitting around handing these things to newbies on day 1 to get them pumping cash from the start.
The entire economy is going to get shifted by this over the first month or two. |
KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2015.10.15 23:36:00 -
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With that system, I could imagine a legion of alts farming SP and skills for a month then transferring them at once to same dude, giving him years of SP in one go.
There goes down the drain any game with intent to have multi-year progress of a skill tree.
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Shaun Iwairo
Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd.
119
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Posted - 2015.10.15 23:47:00 -
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So raw skillpoints will now have an ISK value?
- Theoretically the price should settle around (SP earned per month)/(price of PLEX) + the ISK equivalent value of the Aurum item. (EDIT: these will move the PLEX price, not sure which way though) - Power of Two offers will be very popular. (Power of Two basically gives you six months SP for the price of three). - Hello instant gank/cyno/trade character.
Should we have this in Dust? Not sure. It would certainly help established players roll up effective alts faster, not sure if that's a good thing though. For most of the mercs that have the SP to spare, ISK is already fairly meaningless. New players wouldn't be able to afford the packets as there's no way for them to get large chunks of ISK quickly. It might work for them as a direct Aurum -> Aurum trade but I doubt CCP would go there, and I wouldn't blame them.
Something is killing new player retention.
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Jadek Menaheim
1nner.Heaven
7
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Posted - 2015.10.15 23:49:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:With that system, I could imagine a legion of alts farming SP and skills for a month then transferring them at once to same dude, giving him years of SP in one go.
There goes down the drain any game with intent to have multi-year progress of a skill tree. Under the current proposal in EVE you can't extract skills off 'under 5 million sp' characters, and, there are very high diminishing returns for SP plugged into already high SP characters.
Additionally, the alt farmers has to 1.) pay ISK or $ to maintain farm accounts and 2.) pay AUR for the skill extractor--there is not an ISK equivalent to that current.
This makes CCP a nice chunk of change too.
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Jadek Menaheim
1nner.Heaven
7
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Posted - 2015.10.15 23:52:00 -
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Shaun Iwairo wrote:Should we have this in Dust? Not sure. It would certainly help established players roll up effective alts faster, not sure if that's a good thing though. For most of the mercs that have the SP to spare, ISK is already fairly meaningless. New players wouldn't be able to afford the packets as there's no way for them to get large chunks of ISK quickly. It might work for them as a direct Aurum -> Aurum trade but I doubt CCP would go there, and I wouldn't blame them. Vets might not care about ISK, however, Skill packet injections can be a good incentive tool for corp recruitment, items trades, and even various sca...erm lotteries!
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Shaun Iwairo
Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd.
119
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Posted - 2015.10.15 23:57:00 -
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Yeah they would be pretty sweet as a recruitment tool, also might be used like a quick and dirty re-spec if you find you're a critical role short in an important battle.
Something is killing new player retention.
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Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
7
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Posted - 2015.10.16 00:19:00 -
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Notice how utterly **** on it is on the Comments thread. There's no way this will actually happen.
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Jadek Menaheim
1nner.Heaven
7
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Posted - 2015.10.16 00:39:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Notice how utterly **** on it is on the Comments thread. There's no way this will actually happen. The Eve vocal minority doesn't always like change. CCP appears to be looking to options to use players as recruiters via skill transfers to bring new players into EVE. Subscription numbers are they lowest they've been since 2008.
Get people into the big sandbox faster.
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Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
7
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Posted - 2015.10.16 01:35:00 -
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Jadek Menaheim wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Notice how utterly **** on it is on the Comments thread. There's no way this will actually happen. The Eve vocal minority doesn't always like change. CCP appears to be looking to options to use players as recruiters via skill transfers to bring new players into EVE. Subscription numbers are they lowest they've been since 2008. Get people into the big sandbox faster. That means allowing people to buy Skillpoints, which is blatant pay-to-win in what is already a pay-to-play game.
That's unacceptable.
HOWEVER, I'm not one to go screaming at people for trying new ideas. Every now and then people come up with bad ones and that's normal.
Also, there's no vocal minority in this. That Comments thread is already 61 pages long and counting, and almost everything I've read is by different individual accounts. There's barely anyone that's stated support for this idea.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.10.16 01:51:00 -
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No!
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Jadek Menaheim
1nner.Heaven
7
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Posted - 2015.10.16 01:57:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote: That means allowing people to buy Skillpoints, which is blatant pay-to-win in what is already a pay-to-play game.
That's unacceptable.
HOWEVER, I'm not one to go screaming at people for trying new ideas. Every now and then people come up with bad ones and that's normal.
Even if you have the 'sp' to fly a big ship, it doesn't necessarily mean you have the 'skill' to fly it.
How is it pay-to-win if you can convert plex to AUR already?
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Aurum
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Thor Odinson42
Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
7
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Posted - 2015.10.16 02:06:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Seems pretty dumb to me.
I'd think active skill point accrual would drive more activity in Eve. There are just too many variables on what "activity" means in Eve for that. This will HUGELY drive activity as people who are impatient won't have to wait months for the shiny new ship they want to sport for their alliance. I can also already see mining corps sitting around handing these things to newbies on day 1 to get them pumping cash from the start. The entire economy is going to get shifted by this over the first month or two.
That makes sense.
If Dust has a future wouldn't mind something like that. Corporations would be able to bring along a noob pretty quick. Can you imagine the butthurt over a player getting up to 20 mil SP and then leaving Corp?
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Jadek Menaheim
1nner.Heaven
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Posted - 2015.10.16 02:06:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Also, there's no vocal minority in this. That Comments thread is already 61 pages long and counting, and almost everything I've read is by different individual accounts. There's barely anyone that's stated support for this idea. Threadnaught alt posting is a thing. The EVE community is very good at it.
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Thor Odinson42
Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.10.16 02:09:00 -
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Jadek Menaheim wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote: That means allowing people to buy Skillpoints, which is blatant pay-to-win in what is already a pay-to-play game.
That's unacceptable.
HOWEVER, I'm not one to go screaming at people for trying new ideas. Every now and then people come up with bad ones and that's normal.
Even if you have the 'sp' to fly a big ship, it doesn't necessarily mean you have the 'skill' to fly it. How is it pay-to-win if you can convert plex to AUR already? https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Aurum
Eve needs something like this. Just like the QQ over respecs here, the naysayers would be silenced quickly. For some stupid reason I still sub 3 Eve characters and I'd rather mow my lawn than log into Eve.
"Lonewolfing is hard because everyone is lonewolfing."
-Captain Obvious
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Jadek Menaheim
1nner.Heaven
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Posted - 2015.10.16 02:13:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:That makes sense.
If Dust has a future wouldn't mind something like that. Corporations would be able to bring along a noob pretty quick. Can you imagine the butthurt over a player getting up to 20 mil SP and then leaving Corp? Or imagine the devastation of an 'honest and upstanding' corp logistics officer put in charge of holding and distributing Transneural Skill Packets to corp newbies...dropping roles and leaving with the message.
"It's been fun. HTFU."
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
12
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Posted - 2015.10.16 02:25:00 -
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Jadek Menaheim wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Notice how utterly **** on it is on the Comments thread. There's no way this will actually happen. The Eve vocal minority doesn't always like change. CCP appears to be looking to options to use players as recruiters via skill transfers to bring new players into EVE. Subscription numbers are they lowest they've been since 2008. Get people into the big sandbox faster.
I have been reading the first page and saw how almost everyone who posted there is taking a dump on the idea. Even the CSM seems to be against it. But then again, there were about 2-3 CSM members vocally against the idea on the first page of that thread. Not sure how the rest of the CSM feels.
Also, those people seem to be missing the point here. They seem to act as if suddenly CCP is going to sell SP for AUR. But when you look at the details closely, it's just SP moving from one character to another with diminished returns on older characters.
I brought this up with Jadek earlier on Twitter when I noticed how similar it is to his idea. In fact, I think this idea dates back even further to when CCP CmdrWang was still working at the CCP Shanghai office when the idea of "skillback boosters" was brought up by someone.
In the context of Eve Online, I don't see a problem with this. But in the context of Dust this can present a problem because, unlike Eve Online, Dust is free-to-play and you can create however many accounts your PS3 would allow for free and use that for alt farming on a massive scale. Eve Online has a subscription requirement and obviously trial accounts will be very limited in what they can do regarding this.
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Thor Odinson42
Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
7
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Posted - 2015.10.16 02:34:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Jadek Menaheim wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Notice how utterly **** on it is on the Comments thread. There's no way this will actually happen. The Eve vocal minority doesn't always like change. CCP appears to be looking to options to use players as recruiters via skill transfers to bring new players into EVE. Subscription numbers are they lowest they've been since 2008. Get people into the big sandbox faster. I have been reading the first page and saw how almost everyone who posted there is taking a dump on the idea. Even the CSM seems to be against it. But then again, there were about 2-3 CSM members vocally against the idea on the first page of that thread. Not sure how the rest of the CSM feels. Also, those people seem to be missing the point here. They seem to act as if suddenly CCP is going to sell SP for AUR. But when you look at the details closely, it's just SP moving from one character to another with diminished returns on older characters. I brought this up with Jadek earlier on Twitter when I noticed how similar it is to his idea. In fact, I think this idea dates back even further to when CCP CmdrWang was still working at the CCP Shanghai office when the idea of "skillback boosters" was brought up by someone. In the context of Eve Online, I don't see a problem with this. But in the context of Dust this can present a problem because, unlike Eve Online, Dust is free-to-play and you can create however many accounts your PS3 would allow for free and use that for alt farming on a massive scale. Eve Online has a subscription requirement and obviously trial accounts will be very limited in what they can do regarding this.
I'm sure it would be similar to trading now. If players want to drop $25 per farm, then let them.
I'm at 140 mil SP and I'm probably 10 mil away from literally having every single thing that I want in Dust maxed out. And I don't use 90% of the stuff I can.
I've spent a lot of time and money on Dust to get to that point, but I wouldn't care if it was minimized by a system like this. Just as I supported the raised cap and respecs. The thing I've noticed about Eve players as well as many Dust players with a knowledge of Eve, they'd rather see their game die than tweak the skill point system.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
12
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Posted - 2015.10.16 03:04:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:
I'm sure it would be similar to trading now. If players want to drop $25 per farm, then let them.
I'm at 140 mil SP and I'm probably 10 mil away from literally having every single thing that I want in Dust maxed out. And I don't use 90% of the stuff I can.
I've spent a lot of time and money on Dust to get to that point, but I wouldn't care if it was minimized by a system like this. Just as I supported the raised cap and respecs. The thing I've noticed about Eve players as well as many Dust players with a knowledge of Eve, they'd rather see their game die than tweak the skill point system.
Strange, isn't it?
PS: I remember I was against respecs earlier starting a couple of years back. But after seeing how everything is now, I'm putting my nova knives where my mouth it.
PPS: I'm starting to realize I should have worded that last statement better.
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Jadek Menaheim
1nner.Heaven
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Posted - 2015.10.16 03:28:00 -
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@Maken
You knew exactly how you were phrasing it.
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