DUST Search - Oh my dear scouts.....

Adipem Nothi wrote:

Daemonn Adima wrote:

Can someone post a good std/adv level galscout shotgun fitting? I want in on this cloaking shotgun action, I've never even used the cloak thing one time in this game!

Please and thanks...!

Scout G-1 (28.8k ISK)
HS: Cmp Precision, Enh Shield Extender
LS: Cmp Damp, Bsc CPU, Cmp Reactive, Cmp KinCat
PW: Shotgun
SW: SMG
GR: Flux
EQ: Std Cloak, Compact Hive

Scout G/1 (46.5k ISK)
HS: Cmp Precision, Cmp Shield Extender
LS: Cmp Damp, Cmp Reactive, Cmp KinCat (x2)
PW: K5 Specialist Shotgun
SW: SMG
GR: Flux
EQ: Std Cloak, Compact Hive

* These are backstab loadouts and will fail miserably in a frontal assault. If you're "doing it right" and still dying to spin-and-win, drop the precision for another shield and/or the kincat for another plate. HP > All Else. If you're dying often to nearby hostiles during takedown, swap out the Hive for a decent Active Scanner (may require downgrading modules) and scan your target's surroundings before backstab. Stalk your target until he's wandered free from friendly LoS.

@ Thread

If the Scout class is in fact underperforming, I'd propose first tuning EWAR. Doesn't have to be a wild-and-crazy overhaul or anything risky balance-wise. Simple, sensible, hotfixable tweaks will suffice. Slight improvements to cloak might also be in order. Examples:

EWAR Tweaks (Hotfixable)
* Swap Logi and Scout base scan ranges
* Fix inner scan rings at 5m-9m (or) change precision multiplier from 0.5 to 0.7
* Buff range extenders from 15% to 25%

Cloak Buffs
* Reduce Cloakblind from 85% to 50%
* Buff profile bonus from 0-5-10 to 0-10-15
* If possible, reduce shimmer opacity at long range and indoors

If the Scout class is not underperforming, there are still elements within the class which could be safely improved upon. For instance, replacing the AM Scout's lackluster bonus and quality-of-life improvements for cloak could help scoutplay without hurting overall balance. Examples:

AM Scout Ideas
* Precision ---> Biotic Efficacy (i.e. +7% per level)
* Precision ---> ScP damage & reload speed (i.e. +5% per level)

Cloak Quality of Life Improvements
* Fix delays (keep decloak delay as is; remove the other delays)
* Apply 75% fitting reduction at Scout Level 1 (for the newbros)

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YUUKI TERUMI Capital Acquisitions LLC 144	Posted - 2015.10.14 09:41:00 - [1] - Quote Im sorry, I have to say it. Scouts are useless now. Why should I use scouts? For strafe? No, strafe was nerfed. I can use logis to carry uplinks, I can run almost as fast as a scout. Scouts need a buff, because now, they suck Gal assault rof buff \0/
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.10.14 09:52:00 - [2] - Quote Use them for the cloak. The cloak could be a bit better though.
KGB Sleep 1	Posted - 2015.10.14 09:53:00 - [3] - Quote Whatever Thanksgiving is coming up and its time to carve the turkeys. Sharpen your knives. Because beer, that's why.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 11	Posted - 2015.10.14 10:28:00 - [4] - Quote YUUKI TERUMI wrote: Im sorry, I have to say it. Scouts are useless now. Why should I use scouts? For strafe? No, strafe was nerfed. I can use logis to carry uplinks, I can run almost as fast as a scout. Scouts need a buff, because now, they suck 1/10 Even the worst fanboys in the barbershop don't try this one. Please pull the other one. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Jack McReady Dust University Ivy League 2	Posted - 2015.10.14 10:46:00 - [5] - Quote havent played for a while now, does it still take a century to pull up that arm while uncloaked?
Clotheshanger Abortion Y0UTHINASIA 95	Posted - 2015.10.14 10:54:00 - [6] - Quote Breh, you use scouts so you can be MLG pro and invisible. Y'know when you activate a cloak, you are literally invisible. It's like calling in a UAV, but it makes you invisible, instead of making you invisible on the minimap. If you want to be MLG hardcore, use scouts and throw REs (freedom grenades) down. Then, when people walk by them, push the button and show them some MLG freedom. Want to run around really quickly, be completely invisible, and **** with a shotgun? Scout. "Excuse me while I kiss this guy..."
Lightning35 Delta514 The Warlords Legion 2	Posted - 2015.10.14 11:00:00 - [7] - Quote YUUKI TERUMI wrote: Im sorry, I have to say it. Scouts are useless now. Why should I use scouts? For strafe? No, strafe was nerfed. I can use logis to carry uplinks, I can run almost as fast as a scout. Scouts need a buff, because now, they suck Scouts useless??? Last I remembered, I went 37/2 with a shotty, got 2k plus on links, and was a perma scanner because of presicion mods, which in turn let my team redline the enemy. I think you need more time tweaking your scout fits. CEO of T-W-L YouTube- Lightning35 Delta514 Twitter- @LD3514
KGB Sleep 1	Posted - 2015.10.14 11:04:00 - [8] - Quote It's bait. Turkey sandwich? Because beer, that's why.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution 13	Posted - 2015.10.14 12:29:00 - [9] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: YUUKI TERUMI wrote: Im sorry, I have to say it. Scouts are useless now. Why should I use scouts? For strafe? No, strafe was nerfed. I can use logis to carry uplinks, I can run almost as fast as a scout. Scouts need a buff, because now, they suck 1/10 Even the worst fanboys in the barbershop don't try this one. Please pull the other one. Not gonna lie, Range Extenders could use a buff. I can't think of the last time I used one on any of my scouts. Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_; Wanna play EVE? 30 day trial here
Death Shadow117 Wolf Pack Special Forces Rise Of Legion. 862	Posted - 2015.10.14 12:35:00 - [10] - Quote Clotheshanger Abortion wrote: Breh, you use scouts so you can be MLG pro and invisible. Y'know when you activate a cloak, you are literally invisible. It's like calling in a UAV, but it makes you invisible, instead of making you invisible on the minimap. If you want to be MLG hardcore, use scouts and throw REs (freedom grenades) down. Then, when people walk by them, push the button and show them some MLG freedom. Want to run around really quickly, be completely invisible, and **** with a shotgun? Scout. My LA button broke and the other day I tried to use re's but I forgot u need that button to use them

Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y 1	Posted - 2015.10.14 12:40:00 - [11] - Quote They don't need a buff, your just doing it wrong :/ The C.E.O. of G.L.O.R.Y, (~..)~ Now on Youtube ~(..~)
axis alpha ScReWeD uP InC Smart Deploy 1	Posted - 2015.10.14 12:45:00 - [12] - Quote Just run a cal scout. You don't even need prec mods on it because most are running assualts. If anything its easier now. If I can go 25-7 with 2k wps in a 9k suit. I'm sure you can learn how too. Hullaballo and howdy doo! Musty prawns, and Timbucktu. Yeltsibee and hibbertyhoo Kick 'em in the dishpan. Hoo hoo hoo!
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.10.14 13:09:00 - [13] - Quote axis alpha wrote: Just run a cal scout. You don't even need prec mods on it because most are running assualts. If anything its easier now. If I can go 25-7 with 2k wps in a 9k suit. I'm sure you can learn how too. Without a precision mod you will only pick up assaults at half range. Try one, you should like it.
noob cavman Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 4	Posted - 2015.10.14 13:40:00 - [14] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: YUUKI TERUMI wrote: Im sorry, I have to say it. Scouts are useless now. Why should I use scouts? For strafe? No, strafe was nerfed. I can use logis to carry uplinks, I can run almost as fast as a scout. Scouts need a buff, because now, they suck 1/10 Even the worst fanboys in the barbershop don't try this one. Please pull the other one. Hey dont use us as a measurement ya fat waddling ****. The most abusive northerner. currently reading clockwork vampires by andy remic. A terra bad/awesome author
THE H-A-C-K-E-R Standby Retaliation 139	Posted - 2015.10.14 15:36:00 - [15] - Quote Just use a minmatar assault instead of scout.. You got killed by THE H-A-C-K-E-R
Vicious Minotaur 3	Posted - 2015.10.14 16:06:00 - [16] - Quote EWAR in this game is utter garbage. Half the reason I seldom bring out my scout is because even with my two damps, I wind up scanned all the damn time. And nevermind how they made the TACNET thing nearly worthless for everyone. There have been times I am standing almost next to a tanked out Amarr Sentinel, and not a damn thing shows up on TACNET. Now I know what the morons are saying: "But Minotaur, invest millions upon millions more into the role to be able to make it more functional!" Great, hypothetical moron. Looks like it will be another year before I can make use of scouts because I can only play one or two days a week. EWAR needs to be redone. And good god, why the hell does everything seem to be balanced with proto mods/equipment/crap and lvl5 skills in mind? Viscous Minotaur Blood is more vicious than water.
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.10.14 17:16:00 - [17] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: EWAR in this game is utter garbage. Half the reason I seldom bring out my scout is because even with my two damps, I wind up scanned all the damn time. And nevermind how they made the TACNET thing nearly worthless for everyone. There have been times I am standing almost next to a tanked out Amarr Sentinel, and not a damn thing shows up on TACNET. Now I know what the morons are saying: "But Minotaur, invest millions upon millions more into the role to be able to make it more functional!" Great, hypothetical moron. Looks like it will be another year before I can make use of scouts because I can only play one or two days a week. EWAR needs to be redone. And good god, why the hell does everything seem to be balanced with proto mods/equipment/crap and lvl5 skills in mind? This does kind of highlight a problem. EWAR seems to be balanced for max skilled Gal and Cal scouts. The trouble is, this only covers half the scouts, and isn't much good for lower sp scouts, or players trying out the role. Low profile is essential for all scouts. Moving away from skill point bonuses and replacing with base stats is something I'd like to see across the game to help newer players. If, instead of just lvl 5 Gallente and Caldari scouts, all scouts had 15% lower base profile (to 30db) scouts and EWAR would be easier balance, and more approachable with less sp. Bonuses might need to be looked at a bit to keep (improve) racial balance (stop Min scouts becoming OP). I'm pleased the CPM are considering giving the 75% cloak fitting bonus to low level scouts. This profile idea is along the same lines making scouts effective for newer players. Also improving racial balance and providing a more logical baseline for balancing. Just an idea.
Summa Militum Abstract Requiem 1	Posted - 2015.10.14 17:32:00 - [18] - Quote YUUKI TERUMI wrote: Im sorry, I have to say it. Scouts are useless now. Why should I use scouts? For strafe? No, strafe was nerfed. I can use logis to carry uplinks, I can run almost as fast as a scout. Scouts need a buff, because now, they suck What are you trying to use the Scout for? I use my GalScout for Ninja Hacking and committing assassinations and it seems to do alright at those two roles.
Medical Crash Systematic Engineers Unlimited 408	Posted - 2015.10.14 17:46:00 - [19] - Quote YUUKI TERUMI wrote: Im sorry, I have to say it. Scouts are useless now. Why should I use scouts? For strafe? No, strafe was nerfed. I can use logis to carry uplinks, I can run almost as fast as a scout. Scouts need a buff, because now, they suck quit yer crying super skrub My YouTube Channel
LOL KILLZ LulKlz 407	Posted - 2015.10.14 17:46:00 - [20] - Quote YUUKI TERUMI wrote: Im sorry, I have to say it. Scouts are useless now. Why should I use scouts? For strafe? No, strafe was nerfed. I can use logis to carry uplinks, I can run almost as fast as a scout. Scouts need a buff, because now, they suck Nova Knives,Damps,Precs. Mod. Running around shanking peeps is the absolute best thrill ever. \0/

deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 3	Posted - 2015.10.14 17:48:00 - [21] - Quote YUUKI TERUMI wrote: Im sorry, I have to say it. Scouts are useless now. Why should I use scouts? For strafe? No, strafe was nerfed. I can use logis to carry uplinks, I can run almost as fast as a scout. Scouts need a buff, because now, they suck Oh so now people are starting to admit that scouts were primarily for exploiting hit detection. Good stuff. To answer your question tho use a scout for what a scout was made for. I am a terrible scout and I still manage to sneak up behind people, flank people, help my team by stopping them from being flanked, and along the way grab up a pretty good amount of points from hacks as well. Seriously if I am able to do this in either of my apex scouts then absolutely anyone should be able to do it as I have always been a stand and fight type of player. Your crutch may be gone but you still have 2 legs to stand on.
ANON Cerberus TerranProtossZerg 847	Posted - 2015.10.14 17:48:00 - [22] - Quote This character is not a scout however this character is but an alt. Let me tell you that for those of us who have been through the many times and eras in DUST as a scout....they have never been totally useless or broken and right now they are fantastic. Other suits are also fantastic so please use what you are comfortable with.
The Eristic Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC 1	Posted - 2015.10.14 18:19:00 - [23] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: There have been times I am standing almost next to a tanked out Amarr Sentinel, and not a damn thing shows up on TACNET. I have everything maxed out and that happens every day in my scouts. Without even getting into the many conceptual/balance problems with EWAR (and don't even get me started on how terrible cloaks have become), the tacnet needs to be adjusted in the code itself to work consistently, maybe a higher priority and/or refresh rate, something, anything. It's pointless running fits with no tank when you never know if you're going to see that 900 armor Assault 12m away from your flank in time. Reality is the original Rorschach.
Crimson ShieId Horizons' Edge 2	Posted - 2015.10.14 20:38:00 - [24] - Quote Scouts don't need a buff, but range extenders and Tacnet in general sure do. The latter has become almost completely useless as CCP's supposed "40 meter range" with two to three of them is more like 40 feet. The cloak's disadvantages can be worked around when using a scout fit devoted to scanning and assassinating exposed targets, but when you're running a fit with barely 200 HP and you can't even get passive scans on your opponents from a few meters away? It's useless now. Active scanners are the only thing worth using at this point as you don't have to devote your entire suit to get intel on the battlefield. Fix passive scans (Just give us back what we had before) and the scout role would be fine. Until then, we get a fast suit that's difficult but not impossible to scan. What? Am I mad? Why do you ask?
Dreis Shadowweaver Abstract Requiem 8	Posted - 2015.10.14 20:41:00 - [25] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: Scouts don't need a buff, but range extenders and Tacnet in general sure do. The latter has become almost completely useless as CCP's supposed "40 meter range" with two to three of them is more like 40 feet. The cloak's disadvantages can be worked around when using a scout fit devoted to scanning and assassinating exposed targets, but when you're running a fit with barely 200 HP and you can't even get passive scans on your opponents from a few meters away? It's useless now. Active scanners are the only thing worth using at this point as you don't have to devote your entire suit to get intel on the battlefield. Fix passive scans (Just give us back what we had before) and the scout role would be fine. Until then, we get a fast suit that's difficult but not impossible to scan. Where the **** have you been. Creator of the Nova Knifers United channel Dreis' Minja Blog CEO of Abstract Requiem
Crimson ShieId Horizons' Edge 2	Posted - 2015.10.14 20:43:00 - [26] - Quote Lurking on the forums occasionally... and away from my PS3... still. What? Am I mad? Why do you ask?
Dreis Shadowweaver Abstract Requiem 8	Posted - 2015.10.14 20:48:00 - [27] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: Lurking on the forums occasionally... and away from my PS3... still. Add me on Skype, search for TheDreiz ^^ Creator of the Nova Knifers United channel Dreis' Minja Blog CEO of Abstract Requiem
Daemonn Adima Y.A.M.A.H 374	Posted - 2015.10.14 21:38:00 - [28] - Quote Can someone post a good std/adv level galscout shotgun fitting? I want in on this cloaking shotgun action, I've never even used the cloak thing one time in this game! Please and thanks...!
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 17	Posted - 2015.10.21 13:34:00 - [29] - Quote Daemonn Adima wrote: Can someone post a good std/adv level galscout shotgun fitting? I want in on this cloaking shotgun action, I've never even used the cloak thing one time in this game! Please and thanks...! Scout G-1 (28.8k ISK) HS: Cmp Precision, Enh Shield Extender LS: Cmp Damp, Bsc CPU, Cmp Reactive, Cmp KinCat PW: Shotgun SW: SMG GR: Flux EQ: Std Cloak, Compact Hive Scout G/1 (46.5k ISK) HS: Cmp Precision, Cmp Shield Extender LS: Cmp Damp, Cmp Reactive, Cmp KinCat (x2) PW: K5 Specialist Shotgun SW: SMG GR: Flux EQ: Std Cloak, Compact Hive * These are backstab loadouts and will fail miserably in a frontal assault. If you're "doing it right" and still dying to spin-and-win, drop the precision for another shield and/or the kincat for another plate. HP > All Else. If you're dying often to nearby hostiles during takedown, swap out the Hive for a decent Active Scanner (may require downgrading modules) and scan your target's surroundings before backstab. Stalk your target until he's wandered free from friendly LoS. @ Thread If the Scout class is in fact underperforming, I'd propose first tuning EWAR. Doesn't have to be a wild-and-crazy overhaul or anything risky balance-wise. Simple, sensible tweaks will suffice. Other "safe" Scout tweaks might include (A) replacing the AM Scout's lackluster bonus and (B) quality-of-life improvements for cloak (fixing delays, reducing cloakblind, granting 75% fitting reduction at Scout Level 1). Dropsuit Usage Rates
PARKOUR PRACTIONER L0RDS 0F LEGI0N Damage LLC 3	Posted - 2015.10.21 14:21:00 - [30] - Quote KGB Sleep wrote: It's bait. Turkey sandwich? That was fast. Did you knife the guy that placed the bait or...? I ran min scout with a few people from FA & I quote, 'Watching you & Infected run into a group just to stab a few guys is like watching a pack of wild dogs (or wolves i forgot) go to work.' Haven't minja in while worlds tiniest violin plays in background /Z)/V//V- /V)_/` /V)´/``/-// Learning 'Never stop moving ever' from lots of people /V//V_//\

KGB Sleep 1	Posted - 2015.10.21 14:35:00 - [31] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: KGB Sleep wrote: It's bait. Turkey sandwich? That was fast. Did you knife the guy that placed the bait or...? I ran min scout with a few people from FA & I quote, 'Watching you & Infected run into a group just to stab a few guys is like watching a pack of wild dogs (or wolves i forgot) go to work.' Haven't minja in while worlds tiniest violin plays in background I really like it. Dying a little but so fun. Playing solo sometimes without cloak is how I'm trying to learn it. Pick the knives up again with your event respec. Because beer, that's why.
lee corwood TRAILS AND TRIBULATIONS 1	Posted - 2015.10.21 15:24:00 - [32] - Quote YUUKI TERUMI wrote: Im sorry, I have to say it. Scouts are useless now. Why should I use scouts? For strafe? No, strafe was nerfed. I can use logis to carry uplinks, I can run almost as fast as a scout. Scouts need a buff, because now, they suck You're using them wrong. Logi 4 Life \| Youtube Vids
postapo wastelander Corrosive Synergy RUST415 1	Posted - 2015.10.21 15:32:00 - [33] - Quote YUUKI TERUMI wrote: Im sorry, I have to say it. Scouts are useless now. Why should I use scouts? For strafe? No, strafe was nerfed. I can use logis to carry uplinks, I can run almost as fast as a scout. Scouts need a buff, because now, they suck Yup they are that useless like some boyko whoe rekt me 8x in one game and i was on my beloved Forge sent XD *"Forge syndicalist of Corrosive Synergy"*
Daemonn Adima Y.A.M.A.H 425	Posted - 2015.10.21 16:31:00 - [34] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Daemonn Adima wrote: Can someone post a good std/adv level galscout shotgun fitting? I want in on this cloaking shotgun action, I've never even used the cloak thing one time in this game! Please and thanks...! Scout G-1 (28.8k ISK) HS: Cmp Precision, Enh Shield Extender LS: Cmp Damp, Bsc CPU, Cmp Reactive, Cmp KinCat PW: Shotgun SW: SMG GR: Flux EQ: Std Cloak, Compact Hive Scout G/1 (46.5k ISK) HS: Cmp Precision, Cmp Shield Extender LS: Cmp Damp, Cmp Reactive, Cmp KinCat (x2) PW: K5 Specialist Shotgun SW: SMG GR: Flux EQ: Std Cloak, Compact Hive * These are backstab loadouts and will fail miserably in a frontal assault. If you're "doing it right" and still dying to spin-and-win, drop the precision for another shield and/or the kincat for another plate. HP > All Else. If you're dying often to nearby hostiles during takedown, swap out the Hive for a decent Active Scanner (may require downgrading modules) and scan your target's surroundings before backstab. Stalk your target until he's wandered free from friendly LoS. @ Thread If the Scout class is in fact underperforming, I'd propose first tuning EWAR. Doesn't have to be a wild-and-crazy overhaul or anything risky balance-wise. Simple, sensible, hotfixable tweaks will suffice. Slight improvements to cloak might also be in order. Examples: EWAR Tweaks (Hotfixable) * Swap Logi and Scout base scan ranges * Fix inner scan rings at 5m-9m (or) change precision multiplier from 0.5 to 0.7 * Buff range extenders from 15% to 25% Cloak Buffs * Reduce Cloakblind from 85% to 50% * Buff profile bonus from 0-5-10 to 0-10-15 * If possible, reduce shimmer opacity at long range and indoors If the Scout class is not underperforming, there are still elements within the class which could be safely improved upon. For instance, replacing the AM Scout's lackluster bonus and quality-of-life improvements for cloak could help scoutplay without hurting overall balance. Examples: AM Scout Ideas * Precision ---> Biotic Efficacy (i.e. +7% per level) * Precision ---> ScP damage & reload speed (i.e. +5% per level) Cloak Quality of Life Improvements * Fix delays (keep decloak delay as is; remove the other delays) * Apply 75% fitting reduction at Scout Level 1 (for the newbros) Thanks so much! Gonna try these out today.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 9	Posted - 2015.10.21 16:37:00 - [35] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: YUUKI TERUMI wrote: Im sorry, I have to say it. Scouts are useless now. Why should I use scouts? For strafe? No, strafe was nerfed. I can use logis to carry uplinks, I can run almost as fast as a scout. Scouts need a buff, because now, they suck 1/10 Even the worst fanboys in the barbershop don't try this one. Please pull the other one. Not gonna lie, Range Extenders could use a buff. I can't think of the last time I used one on any of my scouts. *Scouts United* Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
D4GG3R Opus Arcana 2	Posted - 2015.10.21 16:40:00 - [36] - Quote Still drop those 30 bombs in PC in my scout suit :) "Dagger is like a mage, damage him enough and he runs." -Nega Matix I watch anime for the boobs
Daemonn Adima Y.A.M.A.H 426	Posted - 2015.10.21 19:25:00 - [37] - Quote I shot you in the face with my PLC yesterday D4GG3R. Heyyy
D4GG3R Opus Arcana 2	Posted - 2015.10.21 19:49:00 - [38] - Quote Daemonn Adima wrote: I shot you in the face with my PLC yesterday D4GG3R. Heyyy I remember, it was on the map with the big platform in the middle. I killed 2 gal assaults then BOOM, federation plasma cannon to the face. It was a nice shot. "Dagger is like a mage, damage him enough and he runs." -Nega Matix I watch anime for the boobs
Summa Militum Abstract Requiem 1	Posted - 2015.10.21 21:04:00 - [39] - Quote axis alpha wrote: Just run a cal scout. You don't even need prec mods on it because most are running assualts. If anything its easier now. If I can go 25-7 with 2k wps in a 9k suit. I'm sure you can learn how too. I played a Skirmish match last night against you and you brutally destroyed my team with your Shotty Scout. o7


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