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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2015.10.13 04:37:00 -
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Currently it is possible for Dust players to send items to Eve characters.
Or rather to send towards them, the items are lost in the void though. 
Most people don't know about this and accidents do happen.
I know your support reimburses these accidents. But it must be an unnecessary tedius task for them.
PLEASE do a simple fix:
remove "send item" and "send isk" from the dust-to-eve char context menu items!
Or fix it otherwise.
"Today I have been feeling mostly smug."
KERO-TRADER is my official Eve character for Dust trading.
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Leovarian L Lavitz
TRAILS AND TRIBULATIONS
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Posted - 2015.10.13 05:25:00 -
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Let the item go to the eve characters inventory, let eve toon trade dust items in the eve market, let eve players give items to dust Mercs
Youtube: Dust 514 - You should Have Worn Proto
Playstation move player
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Leovarian L Lavitz
TRAILS AND TRIBULATIONS
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Posted - 2015.10.13 05:26:00 -
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Suddenly, more eve subs from dusters
Youtube: Dust 514 - You should Have Worn Proto
Playstation move player
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Leovarian L Lavitz
TRAILS AND TRIBULATIONS
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Posted - 2015.10.13 05:30:00 -
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More use for the capsuleers in dust corps, too
Youtube: Dust 514 - You should Have Worn Proto
Playstation move player
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2015.10.13 05:37:00 -
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Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:Let the item go to the eve characters inventory, let eve toon trade dust items in the eve market, let eve players give items to dust Mercs
Yes please, but that's a big change.
It's not gonna happen if we just ask.
We need a simple removal of broken things from context menu. Easily doable.
"Today I have been feeling mostly smug."
KERO-TRADER is my official Eve character for Dust trading.
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benandjerrys
Vader's-Fist
The Empire of New Eden
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Posted - 2015.10.13 05:42:00 -
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Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:Let the item go to the eve characters inventory, let eve toon trade dust items in the eve market, let eve players give items to dust Mercs
Suddenly I'd have a exploit for Dust. Not that it even matters.
ONE UNIVERSE//ONE WAR
Support Dust/EvE cross content
Advisor Vader's-Fist
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Jack Boost
Zarena Family
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Posted - 2015.10.13 10:38:00 -
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.@#$@#$#$@$ [PRIMARY TARGET] I repeat [PRIMARY TARGET] NowKnife#12 [SECONDARY TARGET] FRancheskaStar
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... BIP BIP - you have message
Huh?
Your goods delivered from DUST player ZihoTron.
What?
Your ship is overloaded. Eject stuff and procced
Nooooooooooooo.......
Not much time left...
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benandjerrys
Vader's-Fist
The Empire of New Eden
854
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Posted - 2015.10.13 11:46:00 -
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I'd jettison my strongboxes at the Jita gate. 
ONE UNIVERSE//ONE WAR
Support Dust/EvE cross content
Advisor Vader's-Fist
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Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.10.13 12:59:00 -
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Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:Let the item go to the eve characters inventory, let eve toon trade dust items in the eve market, let eve players give items to dust Mercs
That would require talking about Dust 514 besides saying one line at FanFest.
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
The sheltering wings of the protector
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2015.10.13 13:23:00 -
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Guys.
Just remove the bugging function which has not even been intended to be there.
"Today I have been feeling mostly smug."
KERO-TRADER is my official Eve character for Dust trading.
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.10.13 14:42:00 -
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Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:Suddenly, more eve subs from dusters
Speaking of which, look at my Sig
Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_;
Wanna play EVE? 30 day trial here
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GM Archduke
Game Masters
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2015.10.16 17:37:00 -
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Moved this to Features and Ideas Discussion. Personally I think everyone should always make sure to triple-check character names before sending items or ISK, which should prevent anything being sent from a DUST 514 character to an EVE Online character. But that's just my opinion.
GM Archduke
CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | DUST 514
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
2
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Posted - 2015.10.17 02:35:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:Moved this to Features and Ideas Discussion. Personally I think everyone should always make sure to triple-check character names before sending items or ISK, which should prevent anything being sent from a DUST 514 character to an EVE Online character. But that's just my opinion.
But most people still don't realise there is no problem in sending stuff to Eve chars.
About a third of people would send to my trade channel char and some of them are really surprised of the fact.
The only way to learn this thing is to hear it from some other player who warns about it.
Also, most people select the person from the chat they are in with so typing is not an issue.
KERO-TRADER is my official Eve character for Dust trading.
Seach "KEROBPO" for list of bpos for sale.
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GM Archduke
Game Masters
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2015.10.19 00:22:00 -
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EVE Online characters cannot have the same name as DUST 514 characters. They can be similar, but not the same. As long as the trading partners make it crystal clear who to trade with, there is no issue here. Just for a second, forget the fact that the items were sent to an EVE character, and just focus on this - the items were sent to the wrong character. That's a communication problem between the trading partners, that should easily be avoided by clarifying the character-names. You know for a fact, that we're happy to assists in these cases, but honestly, it's really up to the player who is doing the trade to make sure stuff doesn't get sent to the wrong person. Just my opinion.
GM Archduke
CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | DUST 514
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2015.10.19 05:07:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:EVE Online characters cannot have the same name as DUST 514 characters. They can be similar, but not the same. As long as the trading partners make it crystal clear who to trade with, there is no issue here. Just for a second, forget the fact that the items were sent to an EVE character, and just focus on this - the items were sent to the wrong character. That's a communication problem between the trading partners, that should easily be avoided by clarifying the character-names. You know for a fact, that we're happy to assists in these cases, but honestly, it's really up to the player who is doing the trade to make sure stuff doesn't get sent to the wrong person. Just my opinion.
Disagree.
Real life example:
n++[ 2015.10.18 02:36:58 ] (((Cencored name))) > wts 2 assault scr experimental for 500.000
n++[ 2015.10.18 02:37:07 ] KERO-TRADER > (((Cencored name))) X
n++[ 2015.10.18 02:37:15 ] KERO-TRADER > pls confirm deal
n++[ 2015.10.18 02:38:40 ] (((Cencored name))) > wts 2 assault scr experimental for 500.000
n++[ 2015.10.18 02:38:08 ] KERO-TRADER > (((Cencored name))), my dust char to send is : KEROSIINI-TERO
n++[ 2015.10.18 02:38:52 ] KERO-TRADER > (((Cencored name))) x , pls confirm
n++[ 2015.10.18 02:39:06 ] KERO-TRADER > i buy for 500k. dust char KEROSIINI-TERO
n++[ 2015.10.18 02:39:13 ] (((Cencored name))) > yes kero
n++[ 2015.10.18 02:39:24 ] KERO-TRADER > sending isk. remember to send to dust char!"
n++[ 2015.10.18 02:40:04 ] KERO-TRADER > (((Cencored name))), isk sent
n++[ 2015.10.18 02:41:37 ] (((Cencored name))) > keroo :(
n++[ 2015.10.18 02:42:10 ] KERO-TRADER > (((Cencored name))), what?
n++[ 2015.10.18 02:42:57 ] (((Cencored name))) > kerosiini-tero ?
n++[ 2015.10.18 02:43:41 ] KERO-TRADER > yes!'
n++[ 2015.10.18 02:43:59 ] KERO-TRADER > same who sent the isk
silence
2015.10.18 02:53 dust-mail KERO-TRADER to (((Cencored name))):
Hello, I haven't received those yet for my dust char
KEROSIINI-TERO
Do you have any info for me?
=KERO=
2015.10.18 02:58 dust-mail (((Cencored name))) KERO-TRADER
I GOT CONFUSED AND ILL SEND TO YOUR ACCOUNT EVE, I RETURN YOUR ISK
KERO-TRADER is my official Eve character for Dust trading.
Seach "KEROBPO" for list of bpos for sale.
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2015.10.19 05:09:00 -
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The point is:
As long as the people are physically able to try to,
people WILL do it.
There is no avoiding it.
KERO-TRADER is my official Eve character for Dust trading.
Seach "KEROBPO" for list of bpos for sale.
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Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.10.19 07:59:00 -
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Or you just dont send anything to a guy who doesnt has a helmet on their profile picture.
Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
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GM Archduke
Game Masters
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2015.10.19 08:18:00 -
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Maybe you should discuss DUST 514 item trading with your DUST 514 character then...? Don't get me wrong, I understand the issue, and that it could be fixed by removing the possibility to send stuff to EVE characters. But still, what's happening is that they are sending stuff to the wrong character.
GM Archduke
CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | DUST 514
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benandjerrys
Vader's-Fist
The Empire of New Eden
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Posted - 2015.10.19 18:40:00 -
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Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:Suddenly, more eve subs from dusters
Suddenly... Market is screwed (sort of...) I make a whole battles worth of isk blapping one rat.
ONE VOICE//ONE COMMUNITY
Support Dust/EvE cross content
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2015.10.20 02:08:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:Maybe you should discuss DUST 514 item trading with your DUST 514 character then...? Don't get me wrong, I understand the issue, and that it could be fixed by removing the possibility to send stuff to EVE characters. But still, what's happening is that they are sending stuff to the wrong character.
I might use my dust character on trade channels
IF
the internal error bug for too many chats would be fixed.
As veteran people who have been on the forums know, having more than 6-8 chats makes Dust client unstable.
(BTW that is terrible for new players, they have no way of knowing it, they just find that their dust crashes every 30 minutes or so. Room for improvement, public service announcement if no fix is possible).
So why I use Eve Char for trading and diplomacy, and why I recommend eve char for EVERYBODY for those purposes:
- My trade char is on six main trade chat channels. Far more than dust client can handle, assuming them on top of critical social chats
- You see the live chats simultaneously on multiple channels
- because you lose all your written text when load screen etc interrups, and that is not going to get fixed
Quote:[REQUEST] Chat available also during loading
Update: This is possible but requires a lot of work. We will have to balance current workload and then determin when this can be don
- Proper email management: deleting is not tedious task, you can archive mails, easy to read, can write multiple mails and save drafts, copy paste works, easy to add multiple recipients.... etc etc...)
- You can copy paste sales messages for multiple trade channels
- You can use contact colors to mark trusted traders blue and scammers red
- Chat logs are recorded(!)
etc etc etc
I can list more if needed
KERO-TRADER is my official Eve character for Dust trading.
Seach "KEROBPO" for list of bpos for sale.
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2015.10.20 02:16:00 -
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Bright Cloud wrote:Or you just dont send anything to a guy who doesnt has a helmet on their profile picture.
And for most people, now the only way to find that is thru trial and error.
Nice NPE, nice.
KERO-TRADER is my official Eve character for Dust trading.
Search "KEROBPO" for list of bpos for sale.
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
Learning Alliance
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Posted - 2015.10.22 14:22:00 -
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I would rather EVE characters be given the ability to handle DUST items and DUST ISK.
DUST ISK and EVE ISK can still be kept as two separate currencies.
Allow DUST items to be bought and sold on the EVE market.
It would be interesting to see the resulting emergent economy. EVE characters could fly from DUST system to DUST system buying specific items, and then sell those items in the Trade channels.
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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Sequal's Back
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.10.23 09:38:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:Maybe you should discuss DUST 514 item trading with your DUST 514 character then...? Don't get me wrong, I understand the issue, and that it could be fixed by removing the possibility to send stuff to EVE characters. But still, what's happening is that they are sending stuff to the wrong character.
I have to disagree with you Archduke, one of the most basic concept in development is that if something is available, someone WILL do it. Even if it's stupid, or non sense. There are always people who will press the wrong button at the wrong moment, enter numbers when asked for letters only, etc.
Erasing/Commenting the popup menu item is a simple task and would prevent these kind of behavior. Why arguing on and on about how stupid people are to send items to eve char ? It doesn't help at all...
Bring your daughter... TO THE SLAUGHTER !
- Sequal Rise
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Shaun Iwairo
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2015.10.23 09:48:00 -
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Sequal's Back wrote:GM Archduke wrote:Maybe you should discuss DUST 514 item trading with your DUST 514 character then...? Don't get me wrong, I understand the issue, and that it could be fixed by removing the possibility to send stuff to EVE characters. But still, what's happening is that they are sending stuff to the wrong character. I have to disagree with you Archduke, one of the most basic concept in development is that if something is available, someone WILL do it. Even if it's stupid, or non sense. There are always people who will press the wrong button at the wrong moment, enter numbers when asked for letters only, etc. Erasing/Commenting the popup menu item is a simple task and would prevent these kind of behavior. Why arguing on and on about how stupid people are to send items to eve char ? It doesn't help at all...
The user is drunk?
Something is killing new player retention.
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Sequal's Back
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.10.23 11:51:00 -
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Shaun Iwairo wrote:Sequal's Back wrote:GM Archduke wrote:Maybe you should discuss DUST 514 item trading with your DUST 514 character then...? Don't get me wrong, I understand the issue, and that it could be fixed by removing the possibility to send stuff to EVE characters. But still, what's happening is that they are sending stuff to the wrong character. I have to disagree with you Archduke, one of the most basic concept in development is that if something is available, someone WILL do it. Even if it's stupid, or non sense. There are always people who will press the wrong button at the wrong moment, enter numbers when asked for letters only, etc. Erasing/Commenting the popup menu item is a simple task and would prevent these kind of behavior. Why arguing on and on about how stupid people are to send items to eve char ? It doesn't help at all... The user is drunk?
Or just plain stupid.
Bring your daughter... TO THE SLAUGHTER !
- Sequal Rise
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2015.10.23 20:10:00 -
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Sequal's Back wrote:Shaun Iwairo wrote:
The user is drunk?
Or just plain stupid.
Or, just human being like we all.
KERO-TRADER is my official Eve character for Dust trading.
Search "KEROBPO" for list of bpos for sale.
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Sequal's Back
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.10.23 23:15:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:Sequal's Back wrote:Shaun Iwairo wrote:
The user is drunk?
Or just plain stupid. Or, just human being like we all.
Thought that was a synonyme 
Bring your daughter... TO THE SLAUGHTER !
- Sequal Rise
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Stupid Blueberry
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.10.24 23:35:00 -
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Really - I could understand this if we had actual portraits like eve characters, but we look like this so how did he not know 
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
Haajakin Kalen.
Orbital Laser S is hot.
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2015.10.25 00:55:00 -
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Stupid Blueberry wrote:Really - I could understand this if we had actual portraits like eve characters, but we look like this so how did he not know
Because how people actually get that crucial piece of information that there are characters around to whom sending items cause them to disappear?
CCP has NEVER made any public service announcement. Only thru forums or other players can you get that warning.
(claiming that "everybody should realise that there is a PC game called Eve Online and those players are actually among PS3 players as characters with funny pics, but naturally you should know not to send stuff there" is stupid argument)
KERO-TRADER is my official Eve character for Dust trading.
Search "KEROBPO" for list of bpos for sale.
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GM Archduke
Game Masters
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2015.10.26 03:48:00 -
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I'm not trying to argue here, KEROSIINI-TERO and Sequal's Back. I'm not saying the current system is perfect, or that it wouldn't be better if items couldn't be sent to EVE players. All I'm saying is that if people trade, they should make 100% sure they send stuff to the character that the stuff is supposed to go to. I'm not saying we won't do anything about this either /not saying we will either/. I simply do not have power over the development of Player Trading.
On the other hand, what I can do is to fix every such trade, which I have, every single time so far. Because we understand that people can make mistakes and that the current system is not perfect.
GM Archduke
CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | DUST 514
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CELESTA AUNGM
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.10.26 06:29:00 -
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GǪ..
I'm curious who the player is who can persuade you so easily to send goods to a "dead drop". I'm even willing to shake a condemning fist at the possible Scammers who are exploiting the naive personality of PS3 players.
But I'm sorry, I can't hold the Devs responsible for this opportunity for deception. And I've always thought it was unfair and rather short for us players to ask the game designers to "fix the car so that we can't crash it when we try to drive it drunk".
We know really that the solution is "Don't drive drunk", butGǪ.
GǪit's easier on us if we can pressure someone else int otaking responsibility for our problem? I don't know why we keep asking (keep trying to DEMAND) such "fixes".
Eve Dust 514 has always been a ruthless game design. The whole experience from the moment you set up a character, and READ the descriptions of the different characters you can be, and the slanted factional societies they come from, all says this is a game of "throw you in---learn something if you want--don't learn anything and keep dying--it's your own war." A game can't get more ruthless and without pity, than that. You don't need to have this explained to us,GǪ we can FEEL the pain of the game right on our first day.
We don't NEED to have Eve-Online explained to us by the gameGǪ
We don't NEED to have the ruthlessness and deception nature of this game turned down (believe me, it's already turned down it's brutal treatment of players quite a bit since its release).
I don't think Eve-Online had it's deceptive sides fully explained to players---not until after players fell into the traps first.
And if you are trading and trying to buy from players "blindly", without any effort to thoroughly socialize with them and check on their identities first, then we need to RAISE the trading-access threshold to Level 9 or something, so you're no longer an innocent waif with zero knowledge of the game environment. If you can't trust blue-players not to shoot you in the back in FW matches, then you know enough to navigate trading with more cleverness and no need for hand-holding from the Devs. "Handholding" ought to come from your fellow players.
I wish I could find the post, or the author who said this, so I could at least quote him/her more accurately. But the statement went something likeGǪ"The new players who most threaten to ruin Dust, are the ones who just can't hack the depth of it".
Wow, when I start making my first trades and buys next year, I'm going to have so much FUN !
Universe of good wishes for the 49, especially CCP Eterne...
No story can have life without writers and publishers.
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2015.10.26 14:03:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:I'm not trying to argue here, KEROSIINI-TERO and Sequal's Back. I'm not saying the current system is perfect, or that it wouldn't be better if items couldn't be sent to EVE players. All I'm saying is that if people trade, they should make 100% sure they send stuff to the character that the stuff is supposed to go to. I'm not saying we won't do anything about this either /not saying we will either/. I simply do not have power over the development of Player Trading.
On the other hand, what I can do is to fix every such trade, which I have, every single time so far. Because we understand that people can make mistakes and that the current system is not perfect.
not arguing (as if fighting) here either.
Just pointing out things and countering counters. 
KERO-TRADER is my official Eve character for Dust trading.
Search "KEROBPO" for list of bpos for sale.
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
2
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Posted - 2015.10.26 21:38:00 -
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CELESTA AUNGM wrote:
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Eve Dust 514 has always been a ruthless game design.
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get more ruthless and without pity, than that. You don't need to have this explained to us,GǪ we can FEEL the pain of the game right on our first day.
We don't NEED to have Eve-Online explained to us by the gameGǪ
We don't NEED to have the ruthlessness and deception nature of this game turned down (believe me, it's already turned down it's brutal treatment of players quite a bit since its release).
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Dude. This is not about game design.
This is about plain and simple User Interface (UI).
It would be extremely ruthless if your fire button would randomly alternate from R1 to L1 and vice versa, would it not?
Yet it would make no sense at all, would bring nothing into the game and would be just another hindrance in players way to play the game.
Difficulties in UI =/= difficulties in game play.
KERO-TRADER is my official Eve character for Dust trading.
Search "KEROBPO" for list of bpos for sale.
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DJINN Jecture
Templar of the Glowing Blade
436
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Posted - 2015.10.27 17:26:00 -
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I personally believe that rather than getting lost in the void these items should be given to the Eve characters you transfer them to, the isk as well, and an isk exchange rate fair for both eve and dust players should be set. This belongs in the needed since the beginning and hasn't seen and functional improvement category of features and ideas.
There are many reasons to leverage the building capacity of the Eve players and you, CCP have yet to involve them in Dust and make it worth while for them to care about this game.
DJINN Jecture speaks for herself, a Closed Beta Vet, still playing Eve and Dust
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