DUST Search - I say yes to the Nerf on Scanners!

Tesfa Alem wrote:

saxonmish wrote:

Nerf them so bad that they only scan heavies!!!!

We dont need wall hacks!

Could say the exact same thing for passive scans. Picks up players, shared with squad, therefore wall hack. Except there is no warning that you have been scanned, and congratulations you have now been shot in the back again., and you never had a chance to see it coming. Scouts need a hard ewar counter,because we have seen how stupidly OP it is to be ewar invisible. And scans are it

Well, only at Gal logi V

Well, only with a specific protoype scanner (duvolle focused price 30k) Every other scanner any scout with 3 damps can beat.

Well, provided you use that scanner on a gal logi (scans 15 db). Other wise, on every other suit (scans 20 db) you cannot pick up any scout with 2 damps (18 db profile)

Well, provided you guess the right direction for every 40 second cool down of the pro scanner on the gal logi

Well, provided you can find and kill that scout within the 7 seconds he is scanned

Well, provided that the dot you see is a scout and not a heavy or gand of reds around the corner.around the corner

Well, provided the scout hasn't ran off after seeing "you have been scanned" and wasnt stupid enough to stay put. Plenty of room in skrimish to run off and do something else. May be a problem in dom, but its a fight for the point, all attention is focused there.

Well, provided that you havent been scanned back

Well, provided you arent busy with other logi duties.

Scans need to be looked at sure. 200 m range IMO is a bit long. Probably could become a squad only thing again. But come up with something, instead of demanding CCP do something for you.

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saxonmish T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 1	Posted - 2015.09.14 23:23:00 - [1] - Quote Nerf them so bad that they only scan heavies!!!! We dont need wall hacks! SAXON ON A MISH - My Youtube Channel :)
Forever ETC Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1	Posted - 2015.09.14 23:25:00 - [2] - Quote All we need to do is add falloff and more variants. Possibly even buff ewar mods since that's the reason they're being considered "OP" right now. AmarrFTW "The Hero got his feelings hurt for 9 hp... " Not For Sale- Sanders 2016
7th Son 7 Hakuna Matatah Inc 1	Posted - 2015.09.14 23:25:00 - [3] - Quote saxonmish wrote: Nerf them so bad that they only scan heavies!!!! We dont need wall hacks! I'm starting to get the impression that you don't like scanners. Only your complete and total awareness is needed, nothing else will do. ----- OSHO
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 11	Posted - 2015.09.14 23:27:00 - [4] - Quote I wasn't aware they were being nerfed. Please share your insight with the group WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
saxonmish T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 1	Posted - 2015.09.14 23:31:00 - [5] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: I wasn't aware they were being nerfed. Please share your insight with the group They should BE! they can scan a whole enemy team / their equipment and vehicles, Plus Your Whole team can see this... I mean you dont see a rep tool repping the whole team or a nanohive resupplying the whole team so why should 1 piece of equipment be that OP that it can Make it near impossible to flank or do any type of strategic manoeuvring around the enemy team. Scanners are and always will be ( until nerfed ) a ridiculous part of this game. SAXON ON A MISH - My Youtube Channel :)
Mex-0 Corrosive Synergy 860	Posted - 2015.09.14 23:54:00 - [6] - Quote saxonmish wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: I wasn't aware they were being nerfed. Please share your insight with the group They should BE! they can scan a whole enemy team / their equipment and vehicles, Plus Your Whole team can see this... I mean you dont see a rep tool repping the whole team or a nanohive resupplying the whole team so why should 1 piece of equipment be that OP that it can Make it near impossible to flank or do any type of strategic manoeuvring around the enemy team. Scanners are and always will be ( until nerfed ) a ridiculous part of this game. Scanners are part of the game. And at least they aren't as bad as when we had 'scannerinas'. If you limited the scan reveal to the teammates closest to you, (say 15-30 meters) instead of the whole team, I believe it could work. If you're having trouble with people scan-hunting you, why not use your scout? Or run damps on an assault? Instead of trying to nerf the problem, maybe you could try to counter it instead... HELLO
DAAAA BEAST Corrosive Synergy 3	Posted - 2015.09.15 00:00:00 - [7] - Quote I say it should just affect squad like it used to. Also needs a WP buff. Say 20 WP instead of 15. Why team ? Never knew ... Also funny how we only get Intel Kill Assists for squad kills , yet our scans are seen by the whole team. CEO of Corrosive Synergy Teacher of FUN, Preacher of LOLz PLC Vet
Lightning35 Delta514 The Warlords Legion 1	Posted - 2015.09.15 00:02:00 - [8] - Quote saxonmish wrote: Nerf them so bad that they only scan heavies!!!! We dont need wall hacks! NO. LEAVE MY SCANNER ALONE looks at creodron scanner "My poor baby. They want to take you away from me even tho your only on my commando" CEO of T-W-L
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution 3	Posted - 2015.09.15 00:22:00 - [9] - Quote They main problem I see is the Gal logi. Right now proto scanners eat up about 9 pg which is a reasonable amount of fitting it falls between useful nanos and links. The cool down and active time make for frequent scans with the proximity but only over a short 60m radius and small scan angle make up for it, the Flux has a longer 200m range and twice the angle but is balanced by a much longer cool down and a smaller activation time. A clear trade off is evident but non-existent in the Gal logi. These are easy enough to dodge one advanced damp on any scout two on any assault and two complex on any logi. On a gal logi you now have to put two ramps on Min/Amarr and one on Gal/Cal scouts three on assaults and so many on logis that you would have no hp. On top of this they receive bonuses for duration and you have the ability to run four this leads to non stop scanning where you are always lit up and the only way for the 13+ people on a city socket to avoid 1 SCANNER is to all run 3 ramps on assaults gimping their fits or two on some scouts which makes them less viable because you could just run a different scout with an extra slot because you don't have to damp. The Gal logi gets it all permanent scans, long range wide angle scans, scans that pick up most suits. Their needs to be a trade off either good less frequent scans which can done by making it such that one scan brings all other scans into cool down or an elimination of the precision bonus to the suit. A third option is to give it a different bonus favoring scan angle this of any of these could be used together as well to not make the suit useless so long as it is not as OP as it is now.
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution 3	Posted - 2015.09.15 00:26:00 - [10] - Quote DAAAA BEAST wrote: I say it should just affect squad like it used to. Also needs a WP buff. Say 20 WP instead of 15. Why team ? Never knew ... Also funny how we only get Intel Kill Assists for squad kills , yet our scans are seen by the whole team. How does this help PC when everyone is in one squad or factional where the squads are twice as large as pubs?

Operative 1174 Uuali True Companion Planetary Requisitions 1	Posted - 2015.09.15 00:37:00 - [11] - Quote Make logies and scouts count. However, scouts should get a scanner bonus and logies should get the passive scans because logies are supposed to stick with the squads and the scout is supposed to move ahead and see from a distance. Then nerf scanners and give different bonuses to scout for scans. Amarr: increased area Caldari: increased range Gallente: increased strength Minnmatar: increased cooldown CCP logic GÇô We fix what doesn't need breaking.
Jace Stillwell Elysium's Electorate 5	Posted - 2015.09.15 00:52:00 - [12] - Quote saxonmish wrote: Nerf them so bad that they only scan heavies!!!! We dont need wall hacks! While we're at it, why not nerf rep tools? Nanohives or nanites? Uplinks? You're telling me you want to nerf a logi equipment so bad it's almost useless, this annoys me, and of course Mr. Runs Around In Pubs With a Bon's on a Scottsman's wants them nerfed, you won't be able to sneak around and sneak up on people as much, You know what I think you should do? Try to get around it, I can make my passives twice as op as any scanner because they're persistent, easy EASY solution to this... Damps, I can hide almost any of my suits from just about any scanner
saxonmish T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 1	Posted - 2015.09.15 01:28:00 - [13] - Quote Mex-0 wrote: saxonmish wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: I wasn't aware they were being nerfed. Please share your insight with the group They should BE! they can scan a whole enemy team / their equipment and vehicles, Plus Your Whole team can see this... I mean you dont see a rep tool repping the whole team or a nanohive resupplying the whole team so why should 1 piece of equipment be that OP that it can Make it near impossible to flank or do any type of strategic manoeuvring around the enemy team. Scanners are and always will be ( until nerfed ) a ridiculous part of this game. Scanners are part of the game. And at least they aren't as bad as when we had 'scannerinas'. If you limited the scan reveal to the teammates closest to you, (say 15-30 meters) instead of the whole team, I believe it could work. If you're having trouble with people scan-hunting you, why not use your scout? Or run damps on an assault? Instead of trying to nerf the problem, maybe you could try to counter it instead... I dont see why my whole team hads to run less hp on their suit because of one person SAXON ON A MISH - My Youtube Channel :)
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 1	Posted - 2015.09.15 01:45:00 - [14] - Quote saxonmish wrote: Nerf them so bad that they only scan heavies!!!! We dont need wall hacks! Could say the exact same thing for passive scans. Picks up players, shared with squad, therefore wall hack. Except there is no warning that you have been scanned, and congratulations you have now been shot in the back again., and you never had a chance to see it coming. Scouts need a hard ewar counter,because we have seen how stupidly OP it is to be ewar invisible. And scans are it Well, only at Gal logi V Well, only with a specific protoype scanner (duvolle focused price 30k) Every other scanner any scout with 3 damps can beat. Well, provided you use that scanner on a gal logi (scans 15 db). Other wise, on every other suit (scans 20 db) you cannot pick up any scout with 2 damps (18 db profile) Well, provided you guess the right direction for every 40 second cool down of the pro scanner on the gal logi Well, provided you can find and kill that scout within the 7 seconds he is scanned Well, provided that the dot you see is a scout and not a heavy or gand of reds around the corner.around the corner Well, provided the scout hasn't ran off after seeing "you have been scanned" and wasnt stupid enough to stay put. Plenty of room in skrimish to run off and do something else. May be a problem in dom, but its a fight for the point, all attention is focused there. Well, provided that you havent been scanned back Well, provided you arent busy with other logi duties. Scans need to be looked at sure. 200 m range IMO is a bit long. Probably could become a squad only thing again. But come up with something, instead of demanding CCP do something for you. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me. "I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution 3	Posted - 2015.09.15 02:03:00 - [15] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: saxonmish wrote: Nerf them so bad that they only scan heavies!!!! We dont need wall hacks! Could say the exact same thing for passive scans. Picks up players, shared with squad, therefore wall hack. Except there is no warning that you have been scanned, and congratulations you have now been shot in the back again., and you never had a chance to see it coming. Scouts need a hard ewar counter,because we have seen how stupidly OP it is to be ewar invisible. And scans are it Well, only at Gal logi V Well, only with a specific protoype scanner (duvolle focused price 30k) Every other scanner any scout with 3 damps can beat. Well, provided you use that scanner on a gal logi (scans 15 db). Other wise, on every other suit (scans 20 db) you cannot pick up any scout with 2 damps (18 db profile) Well, provided you guess the right direction for every 40 second cool down of the pro scanner on the gal logi Well, provided you can find and kill that scout within the 7 seconds he is scanned Well, provided that the dot you see is a scout and not a heavy or gand of reds around the corner.around the corner Well, provided the scout hasn't ran off after seeing "you have been scanned" and wasnt stupid enough to stay put. Plenty of room in skrimish to run off and do something else. May be a problem in dom, but its a fight for the point, all attention is focused there. Well, provided that you havent been scanned back Well, provided you arent busy with other logi duties. Scans need to be looked at sure. 200 m range IMO is a bit long. Probably could become a squad only thing again. But come up with something, instead of demanding CCP do something for you. Nobody uses the focused scanner because generally if they beat your flux they beat your focused. The flux is the most prevalent with a 12 second active and 30 second cool down with three you can permanent scan and use the fourth to scan behind you or any direction you feel they might flank you from. You can swing your scanner just a bit while scan and thus permanent scan most of two points in a city. The difference between active and passive is passive don't have even half the range of active, have fall off, are not as precise on all but the amar scout and Scotsman, require you to sacrifice hp.
Vesta Opalus Rebels New Republic The Ditanian Alliance 1	Posted - 2015.09.15 02:04:00 - [16] - Quote saxonmish wrote: Nerf them so bad that they only scan heavies!!!! We dont need wall hacks! Is this a parody?
DAAAA BEAST Corrosive Synergy 3	Posted - 2015.09.15 02:21:00 - [17] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: DAAAA BEAST wrote: I say it should just affect squad like it used to. Also needs a WP buff. Say 20 WP instead of 15. Why team ? Never knew ... Also funny how we only get Intel Kill Assists for squad kills , yet our scans are seen by the whole team. How does this help PC when everyone is in one squad or factional where the squads are twice as large as pubs? One 'squad' ; fireteam , squad ( 8 man ) or platoon. In PC , most people run a platoon so there is no problem there. In the worst case , you run 2 squads and 2 gal logies should be easy to find. I don't know how chaotic PC could get without scans. In factional , it will also stay on for your squad , not making all blues to see the scanned red dot ; re-enforcing the use of the gal logi as a support role that has no use when solo perma scanning. In pubs , It should be obvious to keep it locked to squad. Too many start fits that can't adapt to counter scans/dampen. I would just love a balance between passive scans and active. Encourage active on open maps that scouts have trouble giving intel at bigger distances and promote passives on city maps , for the reliability that scan scouts can give. CEO of Corrosive Synergy Teacher of FUN, Preacher of LOLz PLC Vet
Ateroith Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 47	Posted - 2015.09.15 03:57:00 - [18] - Quote I read that wrong at first, read it as 'a nerf of SCAMMERS'. Scammers may now only be allowed to run mlt gear lel "...Rule #2 - Never start a fight. Rule #3 - Never lose one either." - Lee Child
Vitoka79 from SVK Dead Man's Game 114	Posted - 2015.09.15 04:00:00 - [19] - Quote saxonmish wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: I wasn't aware they were being nerfed. Please share your insight with the group They should BE! they can scan a whole enemy team / their equipment and vehicles, Plus Your Whole team can see this... I mean you dont see a rep tool repping the whole team or a nanohive resupplying the whole team so why should 1 piece of equipment be that OP that it can Make it near impossible to flank or do any type of strategic manoeuvring around the enemy team. Scanners are and always will be ( until nerfed ) a ridiculous part of this game. There is only one scanner that has to be nerfed.The one with the 90 degrees scan radius.I would keep the 200m range but give it 45 degrees scan radius. Nobody dies on my watch
White-Lion Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 71	Posted - 2015.09.15 04:06:00 - [20] - Quote Vitoka79 from SVK wrote: saxonmish wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: I wasn't aware they were being nerfed. Please share your insight with the group They should BE! they can scan a whole enemy team / their equipment and vehicles, Plus Your Whole team can see this... I mean you dont see a rep tool repping the whole team or a nanohive resupplying the whole team so why should 1 piece of equipment be that OP that it can Make it near impossible to flank or do any type of strategic manoeuvring around the enemy team. Scanners are and always will be ( until nerfed ) a ridiculous part of this game. There is only one scanner that has to be nerfed.The one with the 90 degrees scan radius.I would keep the 200m range but give it 45 degrees scan radius. I would actually keep the distance and angle the same but give it a high decible level so it cant pick up anything that halfway attempts to get under percision level. Like a medium suit with a enhanced/complex dampener could get under it, but big ol heavies still couldnt unless they use multiple damps How all ads battles end...

Reign Omega L0RDS 0F LEGI0N 1	Posted - 2015.09.15 04:08:00 - [21] - Quote I'm against team shared scans and tacnet. Only squads should be able to share intel with one another. Hell naw...to the naw naw naw...hell to the naw.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 12	Posted - 2015.09.15 04:15:00 - [22] - Quote Give Scanners Falloff Make Scanners to where you have to hold down to scan Readjust variants for Scanners Done. Sgt Kirk's Propaganda Youtube Channel
Jalame La Bola Shining Flame Amarr Empire 67	Posted - 2015.09.15 05:18:00 - [23] - Quote I hate scanners.
Leovarian L Lavitz TRAILS AND TRIBULATIONS No Context 1	Posted - 2015.09.15 05:45:00 - [24] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Give Scanners Falloff Make Scanners to where you have to hold down to scan Readjust variants for Scanners Done. That would fix it Youtube: Dust 514 - You should Have Worn Proto One V One Emperor
Reign Omega L0RDS 0F LEGI0N 1	Posted - 2015.09.15 06:08:00 - [25] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Give Scanners Falloff Make Scanners to where you have to hold down to scan Readjust variants for Scanners Done. Kirk for CPM! He has great ideas! Wait.. Hell naw...to the naw naw naw...hell to the naw.
DDx77 Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 377	Posted - 2015.09.15 06:11:00 - [26] - Quote I think you can safely remove the active scanner from the game. The current scanner and the way it is used is lame Since that won't happen I agree with an earlier post that had each logi boosting a different aspect of the scanner Because of the change to squad sizes bring active scans back to squad only Buff passive ewar Or have limited but dynamic active scanners and active modules that buff passive ewar
HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 885	Posted - 2015.09.15 06:19:00 - [27] - Quote Make them only work for the person using it.
Summa Militum Art.of.Death Smart Deploy 744	Posted - 2015.09.15 06:39:00 - [28] - Quote Mex-0 wrote: saxonmish wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: I wasn't aware they were being nerfed. Please share your insight with the group They should BE! they can scan a whole enemy team / their equipment and vehicles, Plus Your Whole team can see this... I mean you dont see a rep tool repping the whole team or a nanohive resupplying the whole team so why should 1 piece of equipment be that OP that it can Make it near impossible to flank or do any type of strategic manoeuvring around the enemy team. Scanners are and always will be ( until nerfed ) a ridiculous part of this game. Scanners are part of the game. And at least they aren't as bad as when we had 'scannerinas'. If you limited the scan reveal to the teammates closest to you, (say 15-30 meters) instead of the whole team, I believe it could work. If you're having trouble with people scan-hunting you, why not use your scout? Or run damps on an assault? Instead of trying to nerf the problem, maybe you could try to counter it instead... I like your suggestion of only having teammates closest to you benefit from your scans. I must say though that I disagree with how easy you suggest it is to counter a scanner. I have two CreoDron Flux Active Scanners equipped to my APEX GalLogi and that scanner has a scan precision of 28 dB; my Logistics Dropsuit bonus brings that scanners scan precision down to 21 dB. My scan profile on my GalAss with one Complex Profile Dampener is 30 dB. The same thing goes with Scouts. My GalScout with one Complex Profile Dampener has a scan profile of 20 dB. Using the Duvolle Focused Active Scanner, which has a scan precision of 20 dB, combined with my Logistics suit bonus I have a scan precision of 15 dB on that scanner. Now if I take my Level 5 GalScout, Scout bonus being 3% to scan profile per level, and equip two Complex Profile Dampeners my scan profile only drops to 16 dB. The Gallente Scout is supposed to be the stealthiest of Scouts but unless the GalScout is willing to equip 3 Profile Dampener Modules to their suit the GalLogi will be able to permascan them non-stop with a mere 5 second gap between scans. I think the best way to counter permascanning is to pull out your own scanners and start doing it yourself. The number one reason I skilled into Logistics was so that I could create a permascan fit to counter all the times I get permascanned. **A little side comment. I used the Gallente in my explanation because the Gallente is all I know. I am in no way suggesting anybody mess with my Gallente suit bonuses and I will not tolerate any talk of such. Every faction is capable of equipping Active Scanners in such a manner as to make them an @$$hole. All factions are guilty. Nerf the Scanner.
ZED Regent RabbitSwarm 388	Posted - 2015.09.15 06:41:00 - [29] - Quote HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote: Make them only work for the person using it. That would nerf the GalLogi's bonus... In that case, he needs another one... Banana !
Summa Militum Art.of.Death Smart Deploy 744	Posted - 2015.09.15 06:41:00 - [30] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: I'm against team shared scans and tacnet. Only squads should be able to share intel with one another. I thought this was a team based game?



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