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YUUKI TERUMI
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Posted - 2015.09.01 17:42:00 -
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I know a lot of fags... ehm players don't want strafe speed as it once was, I was thinking about a module that reduces shields/ armor but increase left and right speed, everyone would be happy, those who hate strafers and those who want a decent strafe speed
Amarr logi, all scouts, amarr, minmatar and gallente assault, Caldari commando. Mithril Forge hater
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CommanderBolt
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.09.01 17:49:00 -
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I personally don't think we need any sort of increases. I actually feel like movement speeds across the board are actually quite well sorted. (I'm sure some will disagree)
That being said I really do like the idea of "Rigs" (As they are known in EVE) which are pretty much what you stated.
I.E I fit this rig into my rig slot and it will augment my suit. I.E I want more speed and I am willing to sacrafice hit points so I fix Rig X
Oh I want more ewar ability but I am willing to lose damage or hit points or something - Fit Rig Y
"Madness how we turned our common-ground into a battle-ground.." - Essa
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Megaman Trigger
OSG Planetary Operations
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Posted - 2015.09.01 17:50:00 -
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If they fixed the hit detection and latency issues, strafing would never have been abusable.
Purifier. First Class.
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YUUKI TERUMI
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2015.09.01 17:55:00 -
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sure but now only those who wanted it to be nerfed are happy, ccp needs to do something for those who want strafe back
Amarr logi, all scouts, amarr, minmatar and gallente assault, Caldari commando. Mithril Forge hater
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Benjamin Ciscko
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.09.01 17:59:00 -
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Strafe wasn't broken just people's gun game. |
CommanderBolt
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.09.01 18:01:00 -
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YUUKI TERUMI wrote:sure but now only those who wanted it to be nerfed are happy, ccp needs to do something for those who want strafe back
Honestly mate, I have ran a scout suit mostly since I started playing this game and I really didn't notice the strafe penalty changes much at all. I was actually quite happy to find that CCP DID NOT nerf the hell out of strafing.
Do you notice it that much really?
"Madness how we turned our common-ground into a battle-ground.." - Essa
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YUUKI TERUMI
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2015.09.01 18:05:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:YUUKI TERUMI wrote:sure but now only those who wanted it to be nerfed are happy, ccp needs to do something for those who want strafe back Honestly mate, I have ran a scout suit mostly since I started playing this game and I really didn't notice the strafe penalty changes much at all. I was actually quite happy to find that CCP DID NOT nerf the hell out of strafing. Do you notice it that much really?
Yes, and now I'm using a full ferroscale assault ak.0 to not cry.... It's slow as hell, everyone has more than 900 hp on assault suits because they can't strafe anymore and they have to compensate that with tanking
Amarr logi, all scouts, amarr, minmatar and gallente assault, Caldari commando. Mithril Forge hater
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YUUKI TERUMI
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2015.09.01 18:06:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Strafe wasn't broken just people's gun game.
You mean just selfish f*****s gungame
Amarr logi, all scouts, amarr, minmatar and gallente assault, Caldari commando. Mithril Forge hater
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Bremen van Equis
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2015.09.01 18:08:00 -
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YUUKI TERUMI wrote:sure but now only those who wanted it to be nerfed are happy, ccp needs to do something for those who want strafe back
No. They don't. They fixed a hit detection breaking problem with the game.
Buckle up, boysGǪthis ramp leads to space. -Axe Cop
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Megaman Trigger
OSG Planetary Operations
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Posted - 2015.09.01 18:10:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Strafe wasn't broken just people's gun game.
More like the hit detection was as broken as Scotty.
Purifier. First Class.
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YUUKI TERUMI
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2015.09.01 18:13:00 -
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I think it would be cool to see that module, I mean, CCP, you made players jump high as Everest, but you dont let us increase our left and right speed with a module.... Why?
Amarr logi, all scouts, amarr, minmatar and gallente assault, Caldari commando. Mithril Forge hater
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Regnier Feros
Pielords
647
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Posted - 2015.09.01 18:13:00 -
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YUUKI TERUMI wrote:I know a lot of fags... ehm players don't want strafe speed as it once was, I was thinking about a module that reduces shields/ armor but increase left and right speed, everyone would be happy, those who hate strafers and those who want a decent strafe speed
High slot or Low slot?
ZariaOwnsWhips
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Megaman Trigger
OSG Planetary Operations
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Posted - 2015.09.01 18:17:00 -
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YUUKI TERUMI wrote:I think it would be cool to see that module, I mean, CCP, you made players jump high as Everest, but you dont let us increase our left and right speed with a module.... Why?
CCP can't fix the stacking penalty bug with myos, we don't need that repeated with strafe.
Purifier. First Class.
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YUUKI TERUMI
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2015.09.01 18:22:00 -
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Regnier Feros wrote:YUUKI TERUMI wrote:I know a lot of fags... ehm players don't want strafe speed as it once was, I was thinking about a module that reduces shields/ armor but increase left and right speed, everyone would be happy, those who hate strafers and those who want a decent strafe speed High slot or Low slot?
Armor is better because people cant armor tank and strafe at the same time
Amarr logi, all scouts, amarr, minmatar and gallente assault, Caldari commando. Mithril Forge hater
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Omaarion27
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2015.09.01 18:28:00 -
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YUUKI TERUMI wrote:I know a lot of fags... ehm players don't want strafe speed as it once was, I was thinking about a module that reduces shields/ armor but increase left and right speed, everyone would be happy, those who hate strafers and those who want a decent strafe speed
no shut the **** up, strafing for pussies stand still and face your death
"They hate us because they Anus"
CAL n GAL FTFW
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Songs of Seraphim
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2015.09.01 18:29:00 -
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No. Get good.
Achura Bloodline
State Loyalist
Death! By Snu-snu!
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Vicious Minotaur
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Posted - 2015.09.01 18:35:00 -
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Considering DUST is supposed to be a tactical shooter: yes, strafing should be buffed significantly.
Nothing says "tactical" like avoiding cover because the best damage mitigation tactic is sidestepping.
I am a minotaur.
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Murder Medic
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.09.01 18:37:00 -
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Bundles of sticks such as the OP will be the most fun to watch fall on their face if they ever get off consoles and into SC  Physics based strafe = no wiggle wiggle |
YUUKI TERUMI
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2015.09.01 18:42:00 -
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Songs of Seraphim wrote:No. Get good.
no u
Amarr logi, all scouts, amarr, minmatar and gallente assault, Caldari commando. Mithril Forge hater
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YUUKI TERUMI
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2015.09.01 18:44:00 -
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Omaarion27 wrote:YUUKI TERUMI wrote:I know a lot of fags... ehm players don't want strafe speed as it once was, I was thinking about a module that reduces shields/ armor but increase left and right speed, everyone would be happy, those who hate strafers and those who want a decent strafe speed no shut the **** up, strafing for pussies stand still and face your death
strafe nerf is one of the reasons that made akrem and extacy cravings leave the game. I wonder why....
Amarr logi, all scouts, amarr, minmatar and gallente assault, Caldari commando. Mithril Forge hater
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.09.01 18:44:00 -
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YUUKI TERUMI wrote:I know a lot of fags... ehm players don't want strafe speed as it once was, I was thinking about a module that reduces shields/ armor but increase left and right speed, everyone would be happy, those who hate strafers and those who want a decent strafe speed
IF they could make hit detection keep up I would be fine with strafe speed going up. as long as it is a way to become bullet proof there is no way anyone in their right mind could support going back to before.
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Bremen van Equis
Incorruptibles
659
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Posted - 2015.09.01 18:45:00 -
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YUUKI TERUMI wrote:I know a lot of fags...
...and I bet you go to a lot of fabulous parties, too.
Buckle up, boysGǪthis ramp leads to space. -Axe Cop
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Georgia Xavier
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2015.09.01 18:51:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:YUUKI TERUMI wrote:I know a lot of fags... ehm players don't want strafe speed as it once was, I was thinking about a module that reduces shields/ armor but increase left and right speed, everyone would be happy, those who hate strafers and those who want a decent strafe speed IF they could make hit detection keep up I would be fine with strafe speed going up. as long as it is a way to become bullet proof there is no way anyone in their right mind could support going back to before.
Yup, this dude explains it best
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YUUKI TERUMI
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2015.09.01 18:56:00 -
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Bremen van Equis wrote:YUUKI TERUMI wrote:I know a lot of fags... ...and I bet you go to a lot of fabulous parties, too.
not that kind of person
Amarr logi, all scouts, amarr, minmatar and gallente assault, Caldari commando. Mithril Forge hater
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Omaarion27
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2015.09.01 19:43:00 -
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YUUKI TERUMI wrote:Omaarion27 wrote:YUUKI TERUMI wrote:I know a lot of fags... ehm players don't want strafe speed as it once was, I was thinking about a module that reduces shields/ armor but increase left and right speed, everyone would be happy, those who hate strafers and those who want a decent strafe speed no shut the **** up, strafing for pussies stand still and face your death strafe nerf is one of the reasons that made akrem and extacy cravings leave the game. I wonder why....
i couldn't give a rats ass if they left the game. you say those names as if i should care. at the end of the day they're just people who played this game if they want to go qq oh no my strafe speed then let them do so, i dont give a ****. i care more about a complete noob leaving the game than the pussies you stated
"They hate us because they Anus"
CAL n GAL FTFW
disagree meet me in battle n taste the RAILnPLASMA flavor
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Dewie Cheecham
Enlightened Infantries
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
774
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Posted - 2015.09.01 19:47:00 -
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Strafing can be faster, but it should consume stamina, and direction changes shouldn't be instantaneous. Obey inertia. |
saxonmish
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
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Posted - 2015.09.01 19:48:00 -
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YUUKI TERUMI wrote:I know a lot of fags... ehm players don't want strafe speed as it once was, I was thinking about a module that reduces shields/ armor but increase left and right speed, everyone would be happy, those who hate strafers and those who want a decent strafe speed
I do.
SAXON ON A MISH - My Youtube Channel :)
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Count- -Crotchula
TasteTheTamsen
902
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Posted - 2015.09.01 19:51:00 -
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NO, just NO. I'm sick of all these a-holes abusing broken game mechanics, just like in MAG, they knew hit detection was broken so they'd spend all their time jamming triangle to go into prone and back so hard that some of them would literally bounce on their stomachs, lie prone in midair and kill you.
Same crap in DUST, no gungame just strafe and spray, good old mk.0 and acr................................. |
Count- -Crotchula
TasteTheTamsen
902
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Posted - 2015.09.01 19:52:00 -
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that#s it, fisher the wisher from the dark flock in MAG, jesus christ was that kid one laggy POS, bouncing on his stomach. |
Vicious Minotaur
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Posted - 2015.09.01 19:53:00 -
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saxonmish wrote:YUUKI TERUMI wrote:I know a lot of fags... ehm players don't want strafe speed as it once was, I was thinking about a module that reduces shields/ armor but increase left and right speed, everyone would be happy, those who hate strafers and those who want a decent strafe speed I do.
I now pronounce you man and wife.
I am a minotaur.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
12
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Posted - 2015.09.01 19:55:00 -
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No Dance Dust Revolution. Just say nyet to strafing kids.
@Ripley_Riley Ripley.Riley on Skype!
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LOL KILLZ
LulKlz
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Posted - 2015.09.01 19:57:00 -
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Why in the hell do you think it's ok to strafe through a barrage of bullets coming from a HMG 10 meters away. It was abuse plain and simple. My KDR is finally going up thanks to that BS. It needs to stay away forever.
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All Gucci
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
441
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Posted - 2015.09.01 19:57:00 -
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I also think the strafe nerf was a bit excessive honestly. My Ferro ak.0 feels like I have a plate on in comparison to pre nerf speeds. There are players who apparently don't know how to track a target moving in a predictable pattern.... also this didn't fix hit detection I still get hit detection issues....
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LUGMOS
Corrosive Synergy
No Context
4
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Posted - 2015.09.01 20:19:00 -
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All Gucci wrote:I also think the strafe nerf was a bit excessive honestly. My Ferro ak.0 feels like I have a plate on in comparison to pre nerf speeds. There are players who apparently don't know how to track a target moving in a predictable pattern.... also this didn't fix hit detection I still get hit detection issues....
*my ferro ak.0 feels like it has a plate on it*
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2940075#post2940075
Cry sum moar
I am the Anti-FoTM
Fear my Cal Assault and Amarr Scout!
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Regnier Feros
Pielords
648
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Posted - 2015.09.01 20:20:00 -
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All Gucci wrote:I also think the strafe nerf was a bit excessive honestly. My Ferro ak.0 feels like I have a plate on in comparison to pre nerf speeds. There are players who apparently don't know how to track a target moving in a predictable pattern.... also this didn't fix hit detection I still get hit detection issues....
Circle strafe is fine but side to side = bulletsponge
ZariaOwnsWhips
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Nikushimi no Noroi
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Posted - 2015.09.01 20:35:00 -
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YUUKI TERUMI wrote:It's slow as hell, everyone has more than 900 hp on assault suits because they can't strafe anymore and they have to compensate that with tanking
Or more people are using long range rifles like scramblers and rails so people beef up to help them mitigate the damage , I've seen by many people that they didn't drop the strafe nerf , so what's the problem ?
Teamwork is really important - said the Tyrannosarus Rex from Kung Fury .
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Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
1
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Posted - 2015.09.01 20:39:00 -
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YUUKI TERUMI wrote:I know a lot of fags... ehm players don't want strafe speed as it once was, I was thinking about a module that reduces shields/ armor but increase left and right speed, everyone would be happy, those who hate strafers and those who want a decent strafe speed
Says some **** poor nobody scrub who cant think two seconds ahead and gets shot to death because zero tactical awareness
'DUDE, MOVING IN A CIRCLE AND SPAMMING AUTO AIM WEAPONS TAKES SKILL MAN!!!"
By the way circle strafe still works you dumb academy level corp tax sponging blueberry. You just cant dance in front of an HMG ianymore, nor take for granted you are going to walk away in a 300 hp scout vs a 800 hp assault.
In a one vs one its still viable. But you wouldnt know that would you, blueberry?
Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Nikushimi no Noroi
2
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Posted - 2015.09.01 20:40:00 -
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LOL KILLZ wrote:Why in the hell do you think it's ok to strafe through a barrage of bullets coming from a HMG 10 meters away. It was abuse plain and simple. My KDR is finally going up thanks to that BS. It needs to stay away forever.
I think that was a mixture of bad hit detection , strafing and damage not registering at the same time ( I guess you can call that hit detection as well ) , I can't count how many times I've pelted someone with HMG rounds , only to see them step threw the fire and shotgun or rifle me .
I hear the pings but don't see the register .
So I just think that it wasn't just strafing that was effecting that for you because it wasn't just you that was happening to .
( Not saying , you said it was . )
Teamwork is really important - said the Tyrannosarus Rex from Kung Fury .
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Nikushimi no Noroi
2
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Posted - 2015.09.01 20:43:00 -
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Vicious Minotaur wrote:saxonmish wrote:YUUKI TERUMI wrote:I know a lot of fags... ehm players don't want strafe speed as it once was, I was thinking about a module that reduces shields/ armor but increase left and right speed, everyone would be happy, those who hate strafers and those who want a decent strafe speed I do. I now pronounce you man and wife.
  
Teamwork is really important - said the Tyrannosarus Rex from Kung Fury .
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Nikushimi no Noroi
2
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Posted - 2015.09.01 20:46:00 -
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Do you know how many people would quit the game if they actually had to aim when they shoot and not just spray and pray .?. for a game that touts it's self to be a " Tactical Shooter " , that part of the game is a joke in it's self .
Spray and pray is not tactical .
I guess it is for some .
Those that like it easy .
Teamwork is really important - said the Tyrannosarus Rex from Kung Fury .
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Benjamin Ciscko
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.09.01 21:38:00 -
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Count- -Crotchula wrote:NO, just NO. I'm sick of all these a-holes abusing broken game mechanics, just like in MAG, they knew hit detection was broken so they'd spend all their time jamming triangle to go into prone and back so hard that some of them would literally bounce on their stomachs, lie prone in midair and kill you.
Same crap in DUST, no gungame just strafe and spray, good old mk.0 and acr.................................
So gun game is determined by two people standing still and shooting at each other and seeing who kills the other first? |
DDx77
Random Gunz
Rise Of Legion.
350
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Posted - 2015.09.01 23:11:00 -
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YUUKI TERUMI wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Strafe wasn't broken just people's gun game. You mean just selfish f*****s gungame
This post is so confusing to me.........
Wiggling out of damage is an exploit of this games' poor hit detection. How is superb gun-game going to solve this?
The reduction is really not that noticeable and the people that R*** still R*** just fine.
Imagine if CCP was able to implement some type of strafe inertia instead.....with no crutch would you guys be put on suicide watch?
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation
3
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Posted - 2015.09.02 01:21:00 -
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This is a bad idea, really.
Strafing shouldn't allow you to take no damage at all because of bad hit detection (because it is bad hit detection, it's not you being particularly good at doing the mighty "figure 8 of death" that anyone can do), it should, instead allow you to take less damage because you avoided like some of the bullets. Some of the bullets.
We have talked countless times about the correlation between strafing speed / internet speed / distance from the battle server that anyone who really wants a fair fight can't ignore.
I'm probably going to repeat myself, but:
1) looks like Dust uses a server-based hit detection
2) Using a server-based hit detection, the lower your ping, the better hit detection gets
3) If you strafe in front of an enemy latency works with you and against him because he will shoot at the position you were 50, 60, 100 etc milliseconds before.
4) Lag compensation indeed works (otherwise the game would be unplayable) although it fails when you communicate with the server faster than your opponent and when you strafe quickly.
5) Like this wasn't enough, this game suffers a lot of framerate drops,so, in particularly laggy games, you would probably have even more problems tracking an opponent strafing because your framerate doesn't keep up the strafing speed.
take time or take aurums (Gò»#-_-)Gò»~~~GòºGòÉGòº [FSTNM SCDNM]
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Georgia Xavier
Incorruptibles
1
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Posted - 2015.09.02 01:23:00 -
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Tesfa Alem wrote: you dumb academy level corp tax sponging blueberry.
Do you rap? If you don't you should
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Georgia Xavier
Incorruptibles
1
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Posted - 2015.09.02 01:25:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Count- -Crotchula wrote:NO, just NO. I'm sick of all these a-holes abusing broken game mechanics, just like in MAG, they knew hit detection was broken so they'd spend all their time jamming triangle to go into prone and back so hard that some of them would literally bounce on their stomachs, lie prone in midair and kill you.
Same crap in DUST, no gungame just strafe and spray, good old mk.0 and acr................................. So gun game is determined by two people standing still and shooting at each other and seeing who kills the other first?
And flamenco with guns do?
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation
3
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Posted - 2015.09.02 01:38:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Count- -Crotchula wrote:NO, just NO. I'm sick of all these a-holes abusing broken game mechanics, just like in MAG, they knew hit detection was broken so they'd spend all their time jamming triangle to go into prone and back so hard that some of them would literally bounce on their stomachs, lie prone in midair and kill you.
Same crap in DUST, no gungame just strafe and spray, good old mk.0 and acr................................. So gun game is determined by two people standing still and shooting at each other and seeing who kills the other first?
Good gungame means literally doing good while using shi*ty weapons/underperforming weapons: it often referred to people who could get a certain number of headshots in the shortest amount of time (in order to be as deadly as a good weapon).
The "Gungame" was sorta exaggerated in MGO series where you almost couldn't get a kill that wasn't for headshot.
As you can see, gungame doesn't involve "figure 8" or "circle strafing" at all. It just means being good at aiming, positioning, awareness etc.
take time or take aurums (Gò»#-_-)Gò»~~~GòºGòÉGòº [FSTNM SCDNM]
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