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Apocalyptic Destroyerr
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.08.24 20:44:00 -
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When he and his team do all the coding and "testing".
Oh, right. These haven't been addressed at all.
You know most of the players I have talked to could care less about huge and big updates.
Little does he know its the Small persistent bugs that interfere with the players constantly, these bugs have potential to change the fight.
If a bug affects in any way possible the outcome of a fight, it should be addressed immediately. No " if, and, or buts, " about it. Plain and simple.
Use it ----> Abuse It ----> Nerf !!!
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Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
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DeadlyAztec11
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Posted - 2015.08.24 21:02:00 -
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Maybe he's mad because people like you keep throwing this in his face every time he visits the forums?
Dust's original personnel cut a lot of corners in making such a unique game. So a lot of the bugs are the result of a rotten foundation. It's sort of like playing Jenga, though when you move a piece at the bottom three pieces at the top move too. A lot of these bugs take a lot of trials because an error could severely cripple the game by corrupting files and introducing new features.
Rattati knows there's issues, and he has had to make the decision to either search for cryptic bugs or recycle assets to create original content. Whether he does one or the other people are going to crucify him, and he doesn't have the pull at CCP to do both well.
Put your flags up in the sky.
And wave them side to side.
Show the world where you're from.
Show the world we are one.
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Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance
2
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Posted - 2015.08.24 21:08:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Maybe he's mad because people like you keep throwing this in his face every time he visits the forums?
Dust's original personnel cut a lot of corners in making such a unique game. So a lot of the bugs are the result of a rotten foundation. It's sort of like playing Jenga, though when you move a piece at the bottom three pieces at the top move too. A lot of these bugs take a lot of trials because an error could severely cripple the game by corrupting files and introducing new features.
Rattati knows there's issues, and he has had to make the decision to either search for cryptic bugs or recycle assets to create original content. Whether he does one or the other people are going to crucify him, and he doesn't have the pull at CCP to do both well.
Agh! The truth! It burns!
Seriously, Rattati and crew are the reason you STILL HAVE dust to whine about.
'As salty as salt can get.' how I describe the dust player base.
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Vicious Minotaur
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Posted - 2015.08.24 21:08:00 -
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Obnoxious little sh+»theads tend to make people mad.
I am a minotaur.
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Immortal John Ripper
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Posted - 2015.08.24 21:12:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Maybe he's mad because people like you keep throwing this in his face every time he visits the forums?
Dust's original personnel cut a lot of corners in making such a unique game. So a lot of the bugs are the result of a rotten foundation. It's sort of like playing Jenga, though when you move a piece at the bottom three pieces at the top move too. A lot of these bugs take a lot of trials because an error could severely cripple the game by corrupting files and introducing new features.
Rattati knows there's issues, and he has had to make the decision to either search for cryptic bugs or recycle assets to create original content. Whether he does one or the other people are going to crucify him, and he doesn't have the pull at CCP to do both well. This. Support. OP stop being such a whiny baby so Ratatti can come back and talk to us like an adult.
VAHZZ is forum Jesus.
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VAHZZ
RabbitSwarm
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Posted - 2015.08.24 21:26:00 -
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Immortal John Ripper wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Maybe he's mad because people like you keep throwing this in his face every time he visits the forums?
Dust's original personnel cut a lot of corners in making such a unique game. So a lot of the bugs are the result of a rotten foundation. It's sort of like playing Jenga, though when you move a piece at the bottom three pieces at the top move too. A lot of these bugs take a lot of trials because an error could severely cripple the game by corrupting files and introducing new features.
Rattati knows there's issues, and he has had to make the decision to either search for cryptic bugs or recycle assets to create original content. Whether he does one or the other people are going to crucify him, and he doesn't have the pull at CCP to do both well. This. Support. OP stop being such a whiny baby so Ratatti can come back and talk to us like an adult. Let this truth be known. People like OP begone. Rattati is our guiding light.
Co-Founder of RabbitSwarm
OG Scout with a Mouth.
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Jack Boost
Zarena Family
928
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Posted - 2015.08.24 21:26:00 -
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We are bad at worship...
We need lamb to offer...
Not much time left...
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
12
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Posted - 2015.08.24 21:29:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Dust's original personnel cut a lot of corners in making such a unique game. So a lot of the bugs are the result of a rotten foundation. It's sort of like playing Jenga, though when you move a piece at the bottom three pieces at the top move too. A lot of these bugs take a lot of trials because an error could severely cripple the game by corrupting files and introducing new features Rattati and his team have been trying to fix old database hierarchy issues for a while now. Fixing A, B, and C subsequently breaks D and E and makes F intermittently **** up for unknown reasons.
Like Deadly said, the first team did a royally bad job. Now Rattati is having to pick up the pieces with an understaffed team. If he had a Bioware or 2K-sized team to throw at the terribad code... well things would be better. But he doesn't. CCP won't give him that kind of a team on this game.
@Ripley_Riley Ripley.Riley on Skype!
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Scotty AI MatchMaker
warravens Imperium Eden
324
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Posted - 2015.08.24 21:43:00 -
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personally i can deal with the odd server melt down, bugs glitches etc, its frustrating but i bet it's frustrating for the Devs as well. My biggest problem is being kept in the Dark over the future of Dust 514, whether its some form of port, remake or project legion itself. I just want to know if everything i'm doing in Dust 514 can be carried on whatever format in the future.
The Devs are mad at us because were always naughty.
'In a State of mourning due to the death of The Empress, murdered by CCP.'
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Immortal John Ripper
28
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Posted - 2015.08.24 21:44:00 -
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Jack Boost wrote:We are bad at worship...
We need lamb to offer...
I volunteer Apocalyptic Destroyerr to be the sacrificial lamb. It is the only way he can be redeemed in the eyes of our savior. .
VAHZZ is forum Jesus.
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Scotty AI MatchMaker
warravens Imperium Eden
324
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Posted - 2015.08.24 21:46:00 -
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Immortal John Ripper wrote:Jack Boost wrote:We are bad at worship...
We need lamb to offer...
I volunteer Apocalyptic Destroyerr to be the sacrificial lamb. It is the only way he can be redeemed in the eyes of our savior. .
I also volunteer Apocalyptic Destroyerr as tribute
'In a State of mourning due to the death of The Empress, murdered by CCP.'
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VAHZZ
RabbitSwarm
7
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Posted - 2015.08.24 21:49:00 -
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Scotty AI MatchMaker wrote:Immortal John Ripper wrote:Jack Boost wrote:We are bad at worship...
We need lamb to offer...
I volunteer Apocalyptic Destroyerr to be the sacrificial lamb. It is the only way he can be redeemed in the eyes of our savior. . I also volunteer Apocalyptic Destroyerr as tribute I VOLUNTEER AS TRIBUTE!
Co-Founder of RabbitSwarm
OG Scout with a Mouth.
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psyanyde
OG Blueberry
131
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Posted - 2015.08.24 21:51:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Dust's original personnel cut a lot of corners in making such a unique game. So a lot of the bugs are the result of a rotten foundation. It's sort of like playing Jenga, though when you move a piece at the bottom three pieces at the top move too. A lot of these bugs take a lot of trials because an error could severely cripple the game by corrupting files and introducing new features Rattati and his team have been trying to fix old database hierarchy issues for a while now. Fixing A, B, and C subsequently breaks D and E and makes F intermittently **** up for unknown reasons. Like Deadly said, the first team did a royally bad job. Now Rattati is having to pick up the pieces with an understaffed team. If he had a Bioware or 2K-sized team to throw at the terribad code... well things would be better. But he doesn't. CCP won't give him that kind of a team on this game. GÖ¬GÖ½Three little bugs in the code
Three little bugs
Patch them up and pass it around
Fifteen little bugs in the code GÖ½GÖ¬ |
xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation
3
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Posted - 2015.08.24 21:52:00 -
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I thought everyone agreed that Lord Rattati was our savior... well, he actually is, trying to make playable and funny with the very very limited resources he has. I would gladly see him as a director of the whole " FPS in the Eve universe project" and would feel very bad if he didn't.
take time or take aurums (Gò»#-_-)Gò»~~~GòºGòÉGòº [FSTNM SCDNM]
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Sequal's Back
Dead Man's Game
1
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Posted - 2015.08.24 21:57:00 -
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First Dev team should've never accept to release the game with "rotten" code. They should've done like ANY PROFESSIONAL Dev team : make things work properly before releasing. You don't especially need to be a huge company to do things right. You need serious people, and good management.
I don't blame Rattati. He's trying to add new stuffs and make money out of the game. But what Apoc said is true, the bugs and glitches keep on accumulating they are the #1 reason dust can be so sh!tty sometimes.
They can add all the content they want, as long as they don't take the time to rebuilt the foundations properly, the game will still be the same..
Bring your daughter... TO THE SLAUGHTER !
- Sequal Rise
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
MeatBag Disposal Service LOGISTICS
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Posted - 2015.08.25 02:19:00 -
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Funny how the reach around party continues , it's a shame that you people that's trying to criticize the OP didn't give the pervious Dev team anywhere near the same respect that you have given Rattati , think about how much different this game would / could have been if many of you that are trying to castrate the OP for his openness and candid truth , would have been if you same people would have given one forth the patience and respect to those but most of you made demands , cursed , exaggerated , ridiculed and basically disrespected the previous Dev team every chance you got .
They tried to be patient with you by corresponding with you by Facebook and Twitter but yet their progression was slow , the dumps you took on them were huge and now all of a sudden you want to play the defender of justice ?
Get real .
Most of you are adults like Rattati and most of you are soft and can't take constructive criticism , you get angry and want to insult those who speak common truths .
Hell a lot of people have it tough at their jobs but they can't talk to those who perpetrate these actions like a Dev can to us , we can't ignore those like a Dev can to us , we can't block or ban some from the place of business where we might be employed , like a Dev can do to us and we have to sit there and have our lively hoods on the line because anybody can just come in and complain about performance and the next thing you know , your out of a job .
Some don't have such luxuries , some play this game as a form of entertainment from hard days work , coming home to help the kids with their homework as well as listen to how the wife's day went , all the while using the time playing Dust as quiet time for yourself but I guess that means nothing .
I was raised to consider others feelings over my own and sacrifice my time and feelings to promote the greater good of those around me and whom I associate with but I just can't understand how some of you ride the OP for stating the obvious .
Who's fault is that , the OP's ?
Where was this when the previous Dev team was around .?. and even now some on this thread speak ill of them but what was done was done because they had deadlines , they had people , other then yourselves to answer to but you weren't speaking up for them then .
It's good to learn from your mistakes but even better to not continue to make them once the lesson is learned .
This is a forum , everyone is not pleased with the situation at hand , the OP is not being insulting , just stating what some others might feel and believe already ... you might not like it but it's true and the best thing to do is just address the issues so that no one would be able to say a single word but I guess that's like asking too much .
A lot of people are unhappy and have to deal with issues much greater then what the Dev team does and what they have to deal with , wouldn't even hold a candle to but again , I guess that's just too hard for some of you to believe .
Edit : A lot of players just left the game and too their numbers and revenue with them without saying a word , I guess that's better then trying to gain an understanding about what's going on as well as showing some concern .
Maybe the OP and many others who feel the same , should just do the same ... maybe that would help all parties .
Teamwork is really important - said the Tyrannosarus Rex from Kung Fury .
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
MeatBag Disposal Service LOGISTICS
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Posted - 2015.08.25 02:21:00 -
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Should be happy that anyone even cares enough about what's going on to give a dam .
But I guess that get's lost in translation .
Teamwork is really important - said the Tyrannosarus Rex from Kung Fury .
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KGB Sleep
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Posted - 2015.08.25 04:50:00 -
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#1. If you use any kind of sacrificial lamb you will only summon CCP Wolfman. (Vets know this to be true)
#2. Maybe Rattati is mad because you touch yourself at night?.
I don't really think the Devs are mad at us, they know how to let the shyt roll off. Every complaint comes from someone who has some degree of passion for their game.
That's how we work together.
You could almost say that the more toxic a community is the more dedicated their players are, because they're still here giving it attention.
Edit: for clarity I'm not suggesting feedback be of a toxic nature, it really isn't ok. Think about how this forum looks to outsiders. Would you show it off to try and pique interest in the game?
Because beer, that's why.
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DeadlyAztec11
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Posted - 2015.08.25 05:20:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Funny how the reach around party continues , it's a shame that you people that's trying to criticize the OP didn't give the pervious Dev team anywhere near the same respect that you have given Rattati , think about how much different this game would / could have been if many of you that are trying to castrate the OP for his openness and candid truth , would have been if you same people would have given one forth the patience and respect to those but most of you made demands , cursed , exaggerated , ridiculed and basically disrespected the previous Dev team every chance you got .
They tried to be patient with you by corresponding with you by Facebook and Twitter but yet their progression was slow , the dumps you took on them were huge and now all of a sudden you want to play the defender of justice ?
Get real .
Most of you are adults like Rattati and most of you are soft and can't take constructive criticism , you get angry and want to insult those who speak common truths .
Hell a lot of people have it tough at their jobs but they can't talk to those who perpetrate these actions like a Dev can to us , we can't ignore those like a Dev can to us , we can't block or ban some from the place of business where we might be employed , like a Dev can do to us and we have to sit there and have our lively hoods on the line because anybody can just come in and complain about performance and the next thing you know , your out of a job .
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I was raised to consider others feelings over my own and sacrifice my time and feelings to promote the greater good of those around me and whom I associate with but I just can't understand how some of you ride the OP for stating the obvious .
Who's fault is that , the OP's ?
Where was this when the previous Dev team was around?
It's good to learn from your mistakes but even better to not continue to make them once the lesson is learned .
This is a forum , everyone is not pleased with the situation at hand , the OP is not being insulting , just stating what some others might feel and believe already .
A lot of people are unhappy and have to deal with issues much greater then what the Dev team does and what they have to deal with , wouldn't even hold a candle to but again , I guess that's just too hard for some of you to believe .
Edit : A lot of players just left the game and took their numbers and revenue with them without saying a word , I guess that's better then trying to gain an understanding about what's going on as well as showing some concern .
Maybe the OP and many others who feel the same , should just do the same ... maybe that would help all parties . I edited your comment a bit because I wanted space to reply. I'm not trying to use your own words against you if that's what you may have assumed.
I digress.
Being a game developer is a difficult job. Many people think anything related to videogames is simple, easy and enjoyable. Though, while it may not be physically exhausting it's a mental drain. Many of these guys took multiple levels of calculus, and are still struggling to conceive solutions to issues that plague the game. A lot of what they do is custom, and it's not like other jobs. In other jobs you get told exactly what to do, and you are trained how to do those specific tasks. In game development you really have to be the ultimate authority in a lot of situations because there are many unique problems.
So yes a developer isn't a soldier risking his life, or a miner that is severely hurting their health, but there issues are similar in many ways to other jobs that involve mental prowess like an engineer, architect or scientist. If they mess us thry won't kill people, but there jobs are still on the line and certain personnel are very disposable in the gaming industry.
That said, many people had a great respect for the development team before Rattati's. I was among them, and many bitter vets of today are among them. There were trolls, but the population was substantially larger back then. Many of us became bitter because of Rogue's support of Legion. It really seemed like he was betting all his marbles on Legion and had left Dust almost idle. We eventually learned that a great score of the developers responsible for art assets (dropsuits, maps, sockets, weapons and vehicles) had been released from CCP and that many of them were mostly involved in Legion for the last months of their contracts. So, many of us felt betrayed because we had been saying how we should let the developers do there thing, and in reality they weren't trying as hard as we assumed.
Rattati is different because he was a player before he was the head developer. He has passion for the game, and it's more than just a job where all he cares about is punching out. Rattati is very involved with the community and takes our thoughts seriously enough to support ideas there were different than his original ones. That's why we support him, but it's not just that. He has much less assets than the developers before him, and yet he has brought us more content than they did near the end of their terms. I honestly feel like the upper echelon was just looking to give Dust 514 to any developers, and expected them to just let it die. I feel like when they asked who wanted the position Rattati was the first and only guy to be enthusiastic about it.
Dust 514 would have died long ago without him, and it bums me out when people criticize him for his lack of bug fixing or content without acknowledging all the asset constraints he deals with. Criticize him as much as you want, but just remember that he can't exactly spare the money or man power to tackle every issue as effectively as one would assume.
I praise the OP for bringing bugs and glitches to light, but he seems very snarky and it always seems like he is back handing the developers without acknowledging their side.
Put your flags up in the sky.
And wave them side to side.
Show the world where you're from.
Show the world we are one.
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CCP Rattati
C C P C C P Alliance
26
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Posted - 2015.08.25 05:25:00 -
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I ain-¦t mad, where did you get that idea?
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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emm kay
Direct Action Resources
382
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Posted - 2015.08.25 05:34:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:I ain-¦t mad, where did you get that idea? because you don't do you usual community-loved long posts on the subject. people like it when you explain your actions. it doesn't matter what you're doing, usually people will jump back with you when you keep them in the light.
There is a reason you never see me in battle.
it's because I see you first.
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KGB Sleep
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Posted - 2015.08.25 05:35:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:I ain-¦t mad, where did you get that idea?
I think they mean this.
#4
4. He is giving us the silent treatment for being generally ungrateful and terrible
Because beer, that's why.
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Sequal's Back
Dead Man's Game
1
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Posted - 2015.08.25 05:40:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:I ain-¦t mad, where did you get that idea? 4 :P
Daaayum ! People comenting faster than eminem rapping here !
Bring your daughter... TO THE SLAUGHTER !
- Sequal Rise
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CCP Rattati
C C P C C P Alliance
26
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Posted - 2015.08.25 05:40:00 -
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KGB Sleep wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:I ain-¦t mad, where did you get that idea? I think they mean this. #44. He is giving us the silent treatment for being generally ungrateful and terrible
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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VAHZZ
RabbitSwarm
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Posted - 2015.08.25 05:55:00 -
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KGB Sleep wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:I ain-¦t mad, where did you get that idea? I think they mean this. #44. He is giving us the silent treatment for being generally ungrateful and terrible He ain't mad, he is busy porting us.
Co-Founder of RabbitSwarm
OG Scout with a Mouth.
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KGB Sleep
1
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Posted - 2015.08.25 06:38:00 -
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VAHZZ wrote:KGB Sleep wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:I ain-¦t mad, where did you get that idea? I think they mean this. #44. He is giving us the silent treatment for being generally ungrateful and terrible He ain't mad, he is busy porting us.
I saw that.
Make that man a taco!
Because beer, that's why.
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Jack Boost
Zarena Family
931
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Posted - 2015.08.25 07:23:00 -
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Don't worry Rattati.
We are spoiled brats misleading in the fog for long time in the dark forest of CCP Fortress. Our brains 'cry' for any information like people staying in the very dark room without sound and gravitation. Just current state.... almost crayzy...
Not much time left...
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
10
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Posted - 2015.08.25 07:46:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:I ain-¦t mad, where did you get that idea?
Some people confuse obsessive monofocus with anger a lot I have noticed.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Scotty AI MatchMaker
WarRavens Imperium Eden
328
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Posted - 2015.08.25 09:34:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:I ain-¦t mad, where did you get that idea? you abandoned us
plus the 4 thing had us all thinking,
'CCP Frame is awesome, thinking otherwise can cause paralysis and in some circumstances even instant Death.'
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Diablo Gamekeeper
Corrosive Synergy No Context
638
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Posted - 2015.08.25 09:59:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:I ain-¦t mad, where did you get that idea?
I'm back
Rainbow Dash
I have DESTROYED CCP Rattati
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