do something other than whinning on a forum designed to improve the game

Adapt or Die!

Im complaining to improve the game.

What you are proposing isn't an improvement but a way to pander to people that cant adapt.

It looks silly now, but if they improve the animation and mechanics it might actually be pretty frickin' cool and fit quite nicely.
I'd rather push the devs in this direction.

But i don't want Dust to be Quake. Quake and Unreal Tournament and Tribes are all great games with fun gameplay, but that simply isn't what dust should be. Despite all the sci-fi lasers and railguns, the EVE universe is a realistic one, in fact even brutally so. It's what makes it such a dark place, and I think Dust needs to follow suit with that.

It looks silly now, but if they improve the animation and mechanics it might actually be pretty frickin' cool and fit quite nicely.
I'd rather push the devs in this direction.

I would be ok with this. My only real objection to jumping is it doesnt fit into the "realism" of the asthetics.

I lol'ed so much at this.

ask yourself this:

can you jump where ever and when ever you like in real life?


If the answer is yes, your argument of realism is invalid.

If the answer is no, you need to go back to pre-school to learn basic physics.

But i don't want Dust to be Quake. Quake and Unreal Tournament and Tribes are all great games with fun gameplay, but that simply isn't what dust should be. Despite all the sci-fi lasers and railguns, the EVE universe is a realistic one, in fact even brutally so. It's what makes it such a dark place, and I think Dust needs to follow suit with that.

... Quake and Unreal Tournament and Tribes are all great games with fun gameplay, but that simply isn't what dust should be...

those who hate bunny hopping are just bad.

Those who want it to stay are just clinging on to there lifeline when the **** hits the fan, basicly oh no iam reloadin jump strafe jump start shooting again thats being good at shooting is it??

ignore the fact that this is a halo reach video. Basically, people who want to remove all of the movements that create a skill gap in this game basically want it to play like this. And to that, I say **** NO.

BTw, he's terrible, any player with half a brain could easily beat him.


run in a straight line, spam, then die, or trade kills.


i would like a skill gap in this game, i would like ranks in this game based off of a true skill system. The better you are, the more likely you are to be hired by a powerful corp.

A fast paced shooter is serious. halo is a serious game on a high competitive level, they're on MLG for crying out loud.

Yes it does suit the eve universe. Dust mercs can be genetically augmented to move faster than the normal person, out do a US marine in a fire fight, and so on.


EVE corps will take it seriously, they'll be hiring the best players they can find to take planets for them. Which means players with a K/D of 1.50 or higher and have a good True skill rank will be getting all the jobs, while all the lower, mediocre dust mercs will be stuck "training" until they can get better.


Slowing the game down so everyone has a better chance doesn't fit the EVE universe. The eve universe is a ruthless place, and slowing it down so all the casuals can have happy camp time will ruin that.

The current Dust maps are built around our current movement speed, if you slow the movement speed, you'll have to redo the maps to fit that speed.

What you are proposing isn't an improvement but a way to pander to people that cant adapt.

Bunnyhoping is the most silly tactic ever, and goes against the overall esthetics and theme of the EVE universe. Replace it with a "Scale ledge" feature for getting over short obstacles. The jumping is just stupid.

Hopping around like a fool is the only way some people want to play a shooter. It's not for me, and yes i despise it too, but the twitchy kids need it to survive.

Those that can't Snipe, hop.
Those that can't hop, Heavy.
Those that can do it all, win.

I would rather jump be taken off. Then have the maps features smoothed out a lot. Makes it easier to get around. Then the Dev's can make points where you can't go and that means NO type areas. Using the jump action feature would be tons better. and I HATE scouts that run around and jump over everything...

Disable jumping lmao

the strafing and jumping sucks really bad right now because of hit detection and lag issues,

I don't think jumping should be removed and I also think what was meant about the "aesthetics" is that I haven't seen footage from any war in the history of human kind where the soldiers jumped around like idiots to somehow avoid being shot. Why? Because it's ridiculous. I would rather get shot than look like an idiot. So leave jumping in as it is perfectly useful and leave it up to the individual as to whether or not they want to look like a moron.

how many actual future wars where they were mechical dropsuits that have shields and power to jump really high run really fast and get hit from plasma and not get burnt in half imedetialy have you watch history wise lol

Bunnyhoping is the most silly tactic ever, and goes against the overall esthetics and theme of the EVE universe. Replace it with a "Scale ledge" feature for getting over short obstacles. The jumping is just stupid.

What. Manner. Of. Beast. Is. This?

Seriously now, how can so many players here miss the one critical component of what's really going on here in DUST? Forget Halo, forget CoD, forget BF, forget all the games that are NOT DUST 514.

Let me repeat something that I have already mentioned and I will capitalize, bold and underline the important bits for EXTREME EMPHASIS.

Currently, in DUST 514 (forget all the other games at the moment):

• STAMINA IS REQUIRED TO JUMP You will find this information located on the bottom left corner of the screen just below the armor level indicator.
• Only the scout suits (when properly fitted) have the benefit of jumping more than once, but only up 3 times at the most before they RUN OUT of stamina.
• If stamina runs out, you will be unable to sprint or jump at all for about 5 SECONDS which is an eternity during the heat of a battle. Even a 1v1 circle dance will result in someone dying in 5-7 seconds unless both players SUCK AT SHOOTING THE BROAD SIDE OF A BARN.
• Depending on the suit, your stamina is REQUIRED TO BE NO LESS THAN HALF FULL in order to jump. In some cases, you MAY NEED FULL STAMINA.
• Jumping over certain crates will cause your stamina to DRAIN COMPLETELY.

Seriously, how can we take people's criticism seriously if some of them don't seem to pay attention to the game? I figured this whole thing out in just the first week of playing as I was trying to figure out why I couldn't jump on occasion and why I stopped running after a while.

Do your homework next time before you rush to judgement. I still see windbags around other parts still complaining about how AUR weapons are pay to win when in fact the ISK-based prototype weapons can match them easily if you just grind a little.

if uve played any mmo like DAoC, everquest, or Warhammer online.... u learn that its pretty damn hard to circle strafe someone who is charging straight at you or moving backwards (mostly likely moving backwards because then u dont turn ur back to them).. ive had plenty of matchups with me in scout and enemy in heavy where jumping just gave them time to shoot.. if someone is jumping around u and u cant kill them its prolly cause ur jumping along with them, if u want to beat someone do something diferent than they are

people who charge straight into an opponent are idiots, they usually dies3X as much as a person who is strafing would. Why? because he's not dodging any of the shots being fired at him. he's just a target that's growing larger by the second.

Jumping requires stamina. For some dropsuits, you can jump only once. For others, three times at best before they can't even do anything else after that (not even sprint) for about 5 seconds (which is forever during the heat of a moment). On top of that, some players have reported that trying to get over a single crate (certain ones at least) takes up all of their stamina.

Besides, I have rarely encountered players who bunny hopped. Even if I do run into them, I wait for them to run out of stamina and start shooting because then they can't even sprint to save themselves.

I don't agree with removing jumping. I do agree that bunny hoping is annoying but the fact that jumping requires Stamina helps prevent this. I must say this: "Adapt or Die" If you don't adapt to the changing mechanics then you will be farmed, find a fit that minimizes the bunny hopping. toss a remote explosive under their feet, trow a grenade do something other than whinning on a forum designed to improve the game, not make the game into MAG or CoD or BF this is DUST.

Adapt or Die!

I lol'ed so much at this.

ask yourself this:

can you jump where ever and when ever you like in real life?


If the answer is yes, your argument of realism is invalid.

If the answer is no, you need to go back to pre-school to learn basic physics.

Maps would be have to redesigned for the movment speed are you serious there are vast open expances in real life does that meen we should all move faster than olimphic athletes and jump in around 6 feet high as in DUST vehicles have been created to cover these vast terrains quicker.

in a open map like DUSTs battlefield camping will be fairly ineffective other than snipers, proper campers would simply get bored in map as big as dusts current battlefield and leave back to COD and Battlefield where ccamping is easyier inside little rooms with SMGs watching the door now thats a proper camper,

Yes good players will get hired id just prefer the good players to be the fellas using tactics the art of stealt and actualt marksmanship proper flanking manuvers not just pointing in general direction and shooting and running form side to side hoping you are against someone who has not figured out how to shoot around lag and hit detection

The thing is DUST will have to attract the players from COD and Battlefield to be a success on PS3 mabye this halo style of thing would wash on xbox or PC but every attempt at a arcady shooter on PS3 has failed misserably look at UT3

Dont say it is a lack of skill ive played alog side people on Battlefield and MAG with more skill than any strafe and jump happy l33t who worships the good old days of FPS back in the day of Quake and DOOM and UT the lot but FPS has grown up

This has been another thread brought to you by players with a total lack of aim and reflexes.

Always look for the key phrases realism, "true to Eve," tactics, immature so you know you have a genuine "please handicap better players" thread on your hands.

Thanks for reading.