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Louis Domi
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Posted - 2015.08.10 09:55:00 -
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People still commenting on this... I mean I've already gotten over this rant of a thread...
Delt for CPM2, Shadowed Cola for CPM2,
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Hawkings Greenback
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.08.10 10:59:00 -
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Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:Louis Domi wrote:Supernus Gigas wrote:Tanks aren't OP.
I knew that was coming... I even put it in the title.. I can only blame myself... Call me a cab.
You're a cab.
I'll get my coat.
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Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.08.10 12:46:00 -
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Louis Domi wrote:Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:Do you have video footage of this? Or a time reference of some kind.
We cannot infer anything from what you're claiming here without some kind of time reference.
Example: I can shoot a guy and do a total of 4,500 damage to him, ----over the course of 10 minutes... Then come here and complain that the guy took more than 4,500 damage to kill... Well when you have 5+ guys doing continual AV damage and him just shrugging it off.. I understand what you mean, but he took on multiple AV and even a proto tank and still was shrugging this off... At once It was an armor tank, wasn't it?
This is why so many of us keep saying that Armor Repairers are dumb. Continuous HP regen is okay for suits because all the regen in the world won't counter the dps of even a single rifle. Currently the Madrugar and Marduk can use hardeners and armor repairers to just sit through AV damage without even having to leave, which is beyond stupid.
Amidst the blue skies
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Doc DDD
Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.08.10 15:43:00 -
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Azel Xerath wrote:Taken from this thread.******************************** OMFG. Ok, I'm going to have a rant here. Tanks are absolute ****. They really are. I can't tell me how much it pisses me off when I lose my 200K ISK Tank to freaking Militia Swarms. It's absolutely ridiculous. There is basically no discernible damage difference between Militia and Proto Swarms. They all ******* destroy me. People complain about ******* double hardened Tanks, but you know what? THAT IS LITERALLY THE ONLY VIABLE FIT. Seriously, I can't do **** if I'm not double hardened, because, oh look, ******* Militia Swarms. Then you've got the long-ass cooldown where I'm doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to help my team. Installations are a freaking joke because they literally shut down AN ENTIRE ******* AREA because they fire automatically, so I genuinely have to spend half the match trying to destroy the things. That's half the match I'm not doing anything useful. If there are any other Tanks on the field, you can kiss your chances of being productive goodbye. Why? Well, you'll now have to spend the rest of the match trying to destroy each other. You're having ABSOLUTELY NO IMPACT on infantry or the outcome of the match. You exist solely to destroy each other. THAT'S IT! That's all you're doing! It's so pointless! It's as if the battle raging is completely separate from you. If, by some miracle, there are no other Tanks on the field, you may retreat to your redline (after having spent half the match mindlessly shooting at Installations) to switch to a Blaster Tank. But hey, LOOK OUT FOR THOSE MILITIA SWARMS! They shoot from further than you can render, and you can't tell where they're coming from! The driving controls are so confounded that any sort of maneuverability is absolutely impossible. The Tanks are so big that you won't be able to touch any AVers because they hide themselves in tiny nooks and crannies. Oh, what's that? Why don't I get closer, you say? Well, then you've got the problem of ******* AV GRENADES. These things are stupidly OP. Shockingly, they're even more OP than Swarms. Especially the Lai Dai Packed AV Grenades. All three of them can be thrown before you can even get your hardeners up. They'll pop a Proto Tank in THREE SECONDS FLAT. You know what the worst thing is, though? Lai Dai Packed AV Grenades cost 23,610 ISK. Proto Tanks cost several million ISK. DO YOU SEE THE DISCREPANCY HERE?!?!People complain about Proto Tanks, but that's literally the only tier that can stand a chance against infantry. OBs are another thing. As a Tanker, you need to CONSTANTLY be moving at all times because you never know when someone's going to drop an OB on you because they can see you from the FREAKING OVERHEAD MAP, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it. Enjoy getting insta-popped. You know what the saddest thing is? I get a higher K/D on my infantry alt than on my Tanking main. That really says something about the state of Tanks. If I see an enemy Proto Tank on the field, I have to leave the match. A Proto Tank will beat any other tiered Tank EVERY SINGLE TIME. There's literally nothing that can be done to kill it if you're not also in a Proto Tank. I will die every single time. The discrepancy in performance between how a Standard Tank compares with a Proto Tank, and how a Standard Dropsuit compares with a Proto Dropsuit, is absolutely staggering. With Tanks, it really is go Proto or go home. THE NEXT TIME YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT 'OP TANKS', YOU SHOULD THINK TWICE, BECAUSE US TANKERS HAVE IT FAR, FAR HARDER THAN YOU INFANTRY CAN EVEN BEGIN TO COMPREHEND./rant ^this ********************************
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Pierced Daddy
myrtle beach leap frogz
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Posted - 2015.08.10 16:07:00 -
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Doc DDD wrote:Azel Xerath wrote:Taken from this thread.******************************** OMFG. Ok, I'm going to have a rant here. Tanks are absolute ****. They really are. I can't tell me how much it pisses me off when I lose my 200K ISK Tank to freaking Militia Swarms. It's absolutely ridiculous. There is basically no discernible damage difference between Militia and Proto Swarms. They all ******* destroy me. People complain about ******* double hardened Tanks, but you know what? THAT IS LITERALLY THE ONLY VIABLE FIT. Seriously, I can't do **** if I'm not double hardened, because, oh look, ******* Militia Swarms. Then you've got the long-ass cooldown where I'm doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to help my team. Installations are a freaking joke because they literally shut down AN ENTIRE ******* AREA because they fire automatically, so I genuinely have to spend half the match trying to destroy the things. That's half the match I'm not doing anything useful. If there are any other Tanks on the field, you can kiss your chances of being productive goodbye. Why? Well, you'll now have to spend the rest of the match trying to destroy each other. You're having ABSOLUTELY NO IMPACT on infantry or the outcome of the match. You exist solely to destroy each other. THAT'S IT! That's all you're doing! It's so pointless! It's as if the battle raging is completely separate from you. If, by some miracle, there are no other Tanks on the field, you may retreat to your redline (after having spent half the match mindlessly shooting at Installations) to switch to a Blaster Tank. But hey, LOOK OUT FOR THOSE MILITIA SWARMS! They shoot from further than you can render, and you can't tell where they're coming from! The driving controls are so confounded that any sort of maneuverability is absolutely impossible. The Tanks are so big that you won't be able to touch any AVers because they hide themselves in tiny nooks and crannies. Oh, what's that? Why don't I get closer, you say? Well, then you've got the problem of ******* AV GRENADES. These things are stupidly OP. Shockingly, they're even more OP than Swarms. Especially the Lai Dai Packed AV Grenades. All three of them can be thrown before you can even get your hardeners up. They'll pop a Proto Tank in THREE SECONDS FLAT. You know what the worst thing is, though? Lai Dai Packed AV Grenades cost 23,610 ISK. Proto Tanks cost several million ISK. DO YOU SEE THE DISCREPANCY HERE?!?!People complain about Proto Tanks, but that's literally the only tier that can stand a chance against infantry. OBs are another thing. As a Tanker, you need to CONSTANTLY be moving at all times because you never know when someone's going to drop an OB on you because they can see you from the FREAKING OVERHEAD MAP, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it. Enjoy getting insta-popped. You know what the saddest thing is? I get a higher K/D on my infantry alt than on my Tanking main. That really says something about the state of Tanks. If I see an enemy Proto Tank on the field, I have to leave the match. A Proto Tank will beat any other tiered Tank EVERY SINGLE TIME. There's literally nothing that can be done to kill it if you're not also in a Proto Tank. I will die every single time. The discrepancy in performance between how a Standard Tank compares with a Proto Tank, and how a Standard Dropsuit compares with a Proto Dropsuit, is absolutely staggering. With Tanks, it really is go Proto or go home. THE NEXT TIME YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT 'OP TANKS', YOU SHOULD THINK TWICE, BECAUSE US TANKERS HAVE IT FAR, FAR HARDER THAN YOU INFANTRY CAN EVEN BEGIN TO COMPREHEND./rant ^this ********************************
Lol thank you for posting that. Dem tears are tasty. And by you posting that and being a tanker..I assume you have the same tears. Good to know. |
Larkson Crazy Eye
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Posted - 2015.08.10 16:30:00 -
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Tanks are pretty strong, well at least one type of tank fitted a certain way can take a lot of punishment. If a tank driver is pretty accurate they can kill most AV before they get more than a shot or two off. That makes them seem strong. I've seen people swing the large rail turret around and gun down multiple people on the rapid fire setting. I'm guessing they use a mouse and keyboard but meh.
The other key component to a great tank is being willing to run away, not only when your in danger but just from time to time. Your going to **** people off as you kill them. They change to AV fits and rush where you are/were. If your not there any more there is a fairly good chance their going to die to infantry in their AV suits and just get more mad. Suddenly your role as a tank hit critical mass. You don't even have to kill any one any more to let your team win the match.
By just staying alive your making a significant part of the other team chase you around, toss OB's etc just to try and kill you. I've been on both sides of the fence and it's very easy to make a match turn into nothing but 'kill that tank'. Having competent people in your secondary gunnery seats helps too. Some times they can get more kills than the driver just because they don't have to worry about anything but killing people and it greatly helps the tank alive with two other people picking off AV.
In the end I would not say tanks are completely OP, just unbalanced. Imo you should need to have the 2 gunner seats filled to do well as a tank. That way requiring 2-3 people running an AV fit to destroy a proto tank would be fair. As it stands a good proto tank is a huge boon to the team it's on. It either kills a bunch of people or pulls out two to three times the players on the enemy side to have a good chance of taking it out. Sure it cost more isk up front but most good AV suits are not cheap and your more than likely going to die either to the tank or the infantry around it several times in the attempt to kill it.
The other problem with tanks is their pretty worthless till you hit top level in your skills. Militia, basic and advanced tanks are just asking to get killed, especially if you don't have the skills to back them up. It basically makes tanks an all or nothing type of skill. Sure I've seen people with maxed out vehicle skills destroy a map with some basic or advanced tanks, but not people building the skill up. No were else in dust is the gap between basic and proto level so huge imo.
Ib Halfheart, Goblin Tactician: "Everybody but me--CHARGE!"
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TIGER SHARK1501
Savage Bullet RUST415
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Posted - 2015.08.10 16:33:00 -
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Thanks aren't OP. And yes your title is to blame. |
SmokinRoses420
Bra's and Boxer's
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Posted - 2015.08.10 17:08:00 -
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Louis Domi wrote:Sat through a game where this one tank was surviving everything... and I mean every ******* thing. A **** ton of AV and even another proto tank... I throw 3 lai dais and a Proto PLC shot, he shoved that **** off like nothing... That was around the time when my team mates through their PLC's and SL and ****, not a ******* dent. Then a Proto tank of our team came in. The guy barely even winced. Went back to his redline, and did it all again a minute later... WTF? There was like 5+ guys doing AV, and not even a dent? Come on....
I couldn't agree more to this post. I've sadly witnessed and encountered this way too many times. But of course, I need proof of it. It's really hard to video record something when you don't know it's going to happen. But ehh, Dust does nothing about the cheaters..And the genuine players have to put up with it. |
TIGER SHARK1501
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Posted - 2015.08.10 17:13:00 -
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Summa Militum wrote:Louis Domi wrote:Sat through a game where this one tank was surviving everything... and I mean every ******* thing. A **** ton of AV and even another proto tank... I throw 3 lai dais and a Proto PLC shot, he shoved that **** off like nothing... That was around the time when my team mates through their PLC's and SL and ****, not a ******* dent. Then a Proto tank of our team came in. The guy barely even winced. Went back to his redline, and did it all again a minute later... WTF? There was like 5+ guys doing AV, and not even a dent? Come on.... Use Packed Lai Dai's. Packed Lai Dai's are devastating to tanks. Speaking from the receiving end of those grenades they're just mean. |
TIGER SHARK1501
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Posted - 2015.08.10 17:16:00 -
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Russel Mendoza wrote:Tanks are not op. They are expensive.
Losing 1 is not viable. Unless their militia.
Imagine losing millions in a single match. Thats just.
Most infantry don't see it that way. I lose around 8-9 proto Min Logis to equal the cost of one proto tank. That type of loss burns. |
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TechMechMeds
KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.08.10 17:16:00 -
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Just use light assault with c4 or 2 light assaults if its a sundy.
I swear on me mum like.
I am GJRs Renfield.
You heard it here first, I told you so.
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TIGER SHARK1501
Savage Bullet RUST415
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Posted - 2015.08.10 17:20:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:Padwan, do you know the ways of the RE Truck, AKA Bomb truck, AKA Jihad LAV? This is a powerful tool in the fight against tanks. Fun as hell and satisfying if you accomplish it. |
TIGER SHARK1501
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Posted - 2015.08.10 17:24:00 -
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Azel Xerath wrote:Commandos, that's another thing.
People say 'hurr durr using AV means we can't fight other infantry', but that's absolute BS because they can just use Commando suits.
I'm not saying that Commando suiss are inherently OP (they kinda are), but it's peoples' attitudes that are annoying. People just don't seem to care about how unfair it is for Tankers. They don't appreciate all the time, effort and ISK that goes into this role.
Yes, Tanking is a role. How could you say that something that costs over 20M SP and countless ISK to get to full Proto isn't a role?!?! I love it but its an isk and SP sink. |
Larkson Crazy Eye
WarRavens
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Posted - 2015.08.10 18:10:00 -
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Eh a commando suit might give you a small chance against infantry, if you survive long enough to switch weapons. But AV suits are generally glass cannons, it's like rushing up with a sniper fit. You have to do as much dmg as possible with your high slots and be fast enough to try and keep up with a tank over rough terrain. Generally you understand that no amount of armor will help you against a tank, they take down sentinels just as fast as any other drop suit really.
While a back up weapon does help, it doesn't help a ton. Plus you have to pay for that extra light weapon, and they are not cheap. On average you can expect 40k + for a proto weapon, at least 8k for advanced. This can bump your AV fit to 100k easily, for something that more than likely will die trying to kill a tank, or die right afterwards to infantry.
Yet people complain their 200k tanks die after they slaughter 20 or 30 people and few AV's get together and take them out?
Ib Halfheart, Goblin Tactician: "Everybody but me--CHARGE!"
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Vesta Opalus
Rebels New Republic The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2015.08.10 18:26:00 -
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WyrmHero1945 wrote:Tanks were seriously nerfed a long time ago, to the point of useless. If people are saying they're OP atm then they should be working as intended...
This is what ******** tankers actually believe. |
Thaddeus Reynolds
Facepunch Security
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Posted - 2015.08.10 21:46:00 -
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Larkson Crazy Eye wrote:Eh a commando suit might give you a small chance against infantry, if you survive long enough to switch weapons. But AV suits are generally glass cannons, it's like rushing up with a sniper fit. You have to do as much dmg as possible with your high slots and be fast enough to try and keep up with a tank over rough terrain. Generally you understand that no amount of armor will help you against a tank, they take down sentinels just as fast as any other drop suit really.
While a back up weapon does help, it doesn't help a ton. Plus you have to pay for that extra light weapon, and they are not cheap. On average you can expect 40k + for a proto weapon, at least 8k for advanced. This can bump your AV fit to 100k easily, for something that more than likely will die trying to kill a tank, or die right afterwards to infantry.
Yet people complain their 200k tanks die after they slaughter 20 or 30 people and few AV's get together and take them out?
200k HAV? What 200k HAV fit are you talking about that can't be easily threatened, that can actually kill 20-30 people if one of them decides to have AV grenades...or anything AV with them?
Vesta Opalus wrote:WyrmHero1945 wrote:Tanks were seriously nerfed a long time ago, to the point of useless. If people are saying they're OP atm then they should be working as intended... This is what ******** tankers actually believe. While it is true that HAV where seriously nerfed a long time ago, they are genuinely OP right now...however, what makes them OP has little to do with their direct durability (which is only slightly too strong) but more to do with their recovery and mobility when combined with that direct durability. In my opinion, vehicle extenders and plates need to provide more hp, while natural shield regeneration rates need to be cut and armor repairers repair rates need to be cut down and/or made active modules. The problem isn't that the HAVs can take a ton of damage, the problem is that the ton of damage thrown at them doesn't stick around for very long.
Edit: There are other problems that exist, for instance the massive difference in efficacy between STD and PRO AV, and a number of other issues that need to be resolved.
Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper.
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Doc DDD
Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.08.12 16:07:00 -
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Pierced Daddy wrote:Doc DDD wrote:Azel Xerath wrote:Taken from this thread.******************************** OMFG. Ok, I'm going to have a rant here. Tanks are absolute ****. They really are. I can't tell me how much it pisses me off when I lose my 200K ISK Tank to freaking Militia Swarms. It's absolutely ridiculous. There is basically no discernible damage difference between Militia and Proto Swarms. They all ******* destroy me. People complain about ******* double hardened Tanks, but you know what? THAT IS LITERALLY THE ONLY VIABLE FIT. Seriously, I can't do **** if I'm not double hardened, because, oh look, ******* Militia Swarms. Then you've got the long-ass cooldown where I'm doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to help my team. Installations are a freaking joke because they literally shut down AN ENTIRE ******* AREA because they fire automatically, so I genuinely have to spend half the match trying to destroy the things. That's half the match I'm not doing anything useful. If there are any other Tanks on the field, you can kiss your chances of being productive goodbye. Why? Well, you'll now have to spend the rest of the match trying to destroy each other. You're having ABSOLUTELY NO IMPACT on infantry or the outcome of the match. You exist solely to destroy each other. THAT'S IT! That's all you're doing! It's so pointless! It's as if the battle raging is completely separate from you. If, by some miracle, there are no other Tanks on the field, you may retreat to your redline (after having spent half the match mindlessly shooting at Installations) to switch to a Blaster Tank. But hey, LOOK OUT FOR THOSE MILITIA SWARMS! They shoot from further than you can render, and you can't tell where they're coming from! The driving controls are so confounded that any sort of maneuverability is absolutely impossible. The Tanks are so big that you won't be able to touch any AVers because they hide themselves in tiny nooks and crannies. Oh, what's that? Why don't I get closer, you say? Well, then you've got the problem of ******* AV GRENADES. These things are stupidly OP. Shockingly, they're even more OP than Swarms. Especially the Lai Dai Packed AV Grenades. All three of them can be thrown before you can even get your hardeners up. They'll pop a Proto Tank in THREE SECONDS FLAT. You know what the worst thing is, though? Lai Dai Packed AV Grenades cost 23,610 ISK. Proto Tanks cost several million ISK. DO YOU SEE THE DISCREPANCY HERE?!?!People complain about Proto Tanks, but that's literally the only tier that can stand a chance against infantry. OBs are another thing. As a Tanker, you need to CONSTANTLY be moving at all times because you never know when someone's going to drop an OB on you because they can see you from the FREAKING OVERHEAD MAP, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it. Enjoy getting insta-popped. You know what the saddest thing is? I get a higher K/D on my infantry alt than on my Tanking main. That really says something about the state of Tanks. If I see an enemy Proto Tank on the field, I have to leave the match. A Proto Tank will beat any other tiered Tank EVERY SINGLE TIME. There's literally nothing that can be done to kill it if you're not also in a Proto Tank. I will die every single time. The discrepancy in performance between how a Standard Tank compares with a Proto Tank, and how a Standard Dropsuit compares with a Proto Dropsuit, is absolutely staggering. With Tanks, it really is go Proto or go home. THE NEXT TIME YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT 'OP TANKS', YOU SHOULD THINK TWICE, BECAUSE US TANKERS HAVE IT FAR, FAR HARDER THAN YOU INFANTRY CAN EVEN BEGIN TO COMPREHEND./rant ^this ******************************** Lol thank you for posting that. Dem tears are tasty. And by you posting that and being a tanker..I assume you have the same tears. Good to know.
Lol what tears? Goes to show that if a red tank is wrecking your infantry then your team is garbage.
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2 NOITCEFREP YLOH
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.08.13 01:32:00 -
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First of all the only reason your talking about tanks is because my post was legitimate, and any post I post gets talked about for two weeks. I made a valid point why some AV weapons are pretty powerful. Not my fault your team was trying to bust a proto tank with milita AV Try driving a proto tank, you won't last two matches. One more thing, double hardener tanks are a must. You swarmers force us to have them. So a tip to av, your tierd of seeing double hardened tanks. Stop complaining that tanks are" op". Honestly I should run for cpm2 lol. Sorry for wall of text this is from my phone. |
Mejt0
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.08.13 01:43:00 -
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It's about regeneration, not HP or durability. Double hardeners are a must to even survive AV or Tank encounter.
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Louis Domi
Louis Domi's Super Happy Fun Time
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Posted - 2015.08.13 01:46:00 -
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2 NOITCEFREP YLOH wrote:First of all the only reason your talking about tanks is because my post was legitimate, and any post I post gets talked about for two weeks. I made a valid point why some AV weapons are pretty powerful. Not my fault your team was trying to bust a proto tank with milita AV Try driving a proto tank, you won't last two matches. One more thing, double hardener tanks are a must. You swarmers force us to have them. So a tip to av, your tierd of seeing double hardened tanks. Stop complaining that tanks are" op". Honestly I should run for cpm2 lol. Sorry for wall of text this is from my phone.
No one knows you or your post on tanks, get off my thread, it's already annoying when people are still comment on this ****, now I got someones alt telling me **** and telling me I'm using Mlt AV, when I'm using nothing but proto.
Oh wait I can just unsubscribe to my own posts? cool
Bring back old flying LAVs
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2 NOITCEFREP YLOH
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.08.13 01:51:00 -
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Look you ain't got to be a Dustbunny. But until you drive a tank you can't talk. Ps whining doesn't solve problems. Try listing legitimate reasons why you think tank are OP. Then I'll think you know what your talkin about. But you have no support for me. |
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