DUST Search - My opinion in Commandos

Buwaro Draemon wrote:

Now I want you all to know that this is my opinion.

Okay, so, I've been thinking about it. And the more it comes to me that Commandos are off balancing AI/AV as they can do both easily (especially the Minmatar Commando). Now, yes, in some games like Battlefield, you can have your primary with an AV weapon but comparing the TTK of a Commando with that of a Battlefield soldier, well, it can take somewhat of a wallop if well fitted.

Now, I'm saying this because back before all Commandos were added, the only AV players were the true ones that specialized in it. Now? Get a Minmatar Commando, some Swarms and fire away. Infantry isn't a problem either because you can gun them down with the Combat Rifle easily. A tank gets too close? Whip out the swarms.

Now, all I am saying is that Commandos, in my point of view, are unbalancing AI/AV. Therefore an unnecesary addition to the game. Fun. But unnecesary.

Now, I do use Commandos myself, infact, the Minmatar Commando was the first suit I specced into when 1.8 came because I kmew what it would become (sadly Scout 514 overshadowed it as with every other suit in the game) and to be honest with all of you guys, AV vs V will never achieve true balance as long as Commandos exist (or they still receive weapon damage bonus) mix that with the Warbarge damage bonus and vehicles will have nowhere to go.

Commandos were a fun idea but an unnecesary one.

Excuse my grammar.

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Buwaro Draemon WarRavens 1	Posted - 2015.08.03 05:52:00 - [1] - Quote Now I want you all to know that this is my opinion. Okay, so, I've been thinking about it. And the more it comes to me that Commandos are off balancing AI/AV as they can do both easily (especially the Minmatar Commando). Now, yes, in some games like Battlefield, you can have your primary with an AV weapon but comparing the TTK of a Commando with that of a Battlefield soldier, well, it can take somewhat of a wallop if well fitted. Now, I'm saying this because back before all Commandos were added, the only AV players were the true ones that specialized in it. Now? Get a Minmatar Commando, some Swarms and fire away. Infantry isn't a problem either because you can gun them down with the Combat Rifle easily. A tank gets too close? Whip out the swarms. Now, all I am saying is that Commandos, in my point of view, are unbalancing AI/AV. Therefore an unnecesary addition to the game. Fun. But unnecesary. Now, I do use Commandos myself, infact, the Minmatar Commando was the first suit I specced into when 1.8 came because I kmew what it would become (sadly Scout 514 overshadowed it as with every other suit in the game) and to be honest with all of you guys, AV vs V will never achieve true balance as long as Commandos exist (or they still receive weapon damage bonus) mix that with the Warbarge damage bonus and vehicles will have nowhere to go. Commandos were a fun idea but an unnecesary one. Excuse my grammar. The Forums are a special place.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.08.03 05:59:00 - [2] - Quote None of the classes are distinctly necessary. We could have a functional game with just caldari medium frames. Was there a point to the wall of text? WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Beld Errmon 1	Posted - 2015.08.03 06:08:00 - [3] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: None of the classes are distinctly necessary. We could have a functional game with just caldari medium frames. Was there a point to the wall of text? I don't think you know what a wall of text actually is. Assault Dropship Pilot Semi-Retired Closed Bittervet
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.08.03 06:10:00 - [4] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: None of the classes are distinctly necessary. We could have a functional game with just caldari medium frames. Was there a point to the wall of text? I don't think you know what a wall of text actually is. I don't think you comprehend how little I give a sh*t about grammar semantics. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
nelo kazuma Ecce Initio RLC. RUST415 336	Posted - 2015.08.03 11:45:00 - [5] - Quote Commandos serve a vital role but are not invincible there poor regen on all variants make them high dmg output but they cannot tank dmg easily spotted profile slow movement n big hit box so yes they are strong but fragile. Not efficient at close range compared to assaults or scts or heavies but in a class of their own FOR THE STATE ^(-_-) Cal Loyalist For Life
Operative 1174 Uuali True Companion Planetary Requisitions 1	Posted - 2015.08.03 13:25:00 - [6] - Quote Yep, commando was a bad idea. Gave players too easy an option and killed any reason to have medium suits. MY CPM2 PLATFORM
Operative 1174 Uuali True Companion Planetary Requisitions 1	Posted - 2015.08.03 13:26:00 - [7] - Quote nelo kazuma wrote: Commandos serve a vital role but are not invincible there poor regen on all variants make them high dmg output but they cannot tank dmg easily spotted profile slow movement n big hit box so yes they are strong but fragile. Not efficient at close range compared to assaults or scts or heavies but in a class of their own Negligible drawback just like Sentinel with HMG under the circumstances of this game. MY CPM2 PLATFORM
Daddrobit You Can Call Me Daddy 1	Posted - 2015.08.03 13:32:00 - [8] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: None of the classes are distinctly necessary. We could have a functional game with just caldari medium frames. Was there a point to the wall of text? Ya' know, at first I was gonna try and contradict that as being far too sweeping of a statement- But it's actually totally right.... O.G. Pink Fluffy Bunny
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 1	Posted - 2015.08.03 13:37:00 - [9] - Quote nelo kazuma wrote: Commandos serve a vital role but are not invincible there poor regen on all variants make them high dmg output but they cannot tank dmg easily spotted profile slow movement n big hit box so yes they are strong but fragile. Not efficient at close range compared to assaults or scts or heavies but in a class of their own MinMando far from slow "Anybody order chaos?"
DUST Fiend 17	Posted - 2015.08.03 14:18:00 - [10] - Quote It wasn't so bad back when swarms were terrible, but now if you so much as enter their LoS you're probably going to have a bad day. Supply depots are probably the real culprit, since running to an SD, grabbing your dual swarms, spamming them, then switching back is a totally acceptable and typically playstyle for most AV players. I am a beautiful space manatee, flying through the sky with the greatest of ease Swarms *everywhere*. So-bittervet

Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2015.08.03 17:08:00 - [11] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: None of the classes are distinctly necessary. We could have a functional game with just caldari medium frames. Was there a point to the wall of text? I don't think you know what a wall of text actually is. I don't think you comprehend how little I give a sh*t about grammar semantics. Your original comment contributed nothing. your reply contributed even less. gg. PSN: RationalSpark
Cesar Geronimo DUST University Ivy League 31	Posted - 2015.08.03 17:20:00 - [12] - Quote Buwaro Draemon wrote: Now I want you all to know that this is my opinion. Okay, so, I've been thinking about it. And the more it comes to me that Commandos are off balancing AI/AV as they can do both easily (especially the Minmatar Commando). Now, yes, in some games like Battlefield, you can have your primary with an AV weapon but comparing the TTK of a Commando with that of a Battlefield soldier, well, it can take somewhat of a wallop if well fitted. Now, I'm saying this because back before all Commandos were added, the only AV players were the true ones that specialized in it. Now? Get a Minmatar Commando, some Swarms and fire away. Infantry isn't a problem either because you can gun them down with the Combat Rifle easily. A tank gets too close? Whip out the swarms. Now, all I am saying is that Commandos, in my point of view, are unbalancing AI/AV. Therefore an unnecesary addition to the game. Fun. But unnecesary. Now, I do use Commandos myself, infact, the Minmatar Commando was the first suit I specced into when 1.8 came because I kmew what it would become (sadly Scout 514 overshadowed it as with every other suit in the game) and to be honest with all of you guys, AV vs V will never achieve true balance as long as Commandos exist (or they still receive weapon damage bonus) mix that with the Warbarge damage bonus and vehicles will have nowhere to go. Commandos were a fun idea but an unnecesary one. Excuse my grammar. I don't understand your issue... Versatility with light weapons is the one indisputable strength the Commando is supposed to have, because god knows the suit is outclassed in most other categories... I've been exclusively running a Centurion since the first day APEX suits were released. Yes, I've experimented with countless loadouts and it's sweet when you choose the perfect one for a given situation or map, but the winds of battle shift quickly and it's also very easy to be 'caught out' in an ineffective fitting without a resupply depot in sight...I've enjoyed using the Commando, but it has the most drawbacks of any suit, being in that "middle ground" purgatory -- I don't have the open-ground speed+agility of Assaults, but I don't have the entrenched defensive CQC firepower and survivability of Sentinels...To say nothing of the fact that my suit's passive scan sees less than everyone else (although equipping a scanner can negate some of this) while being visible to everyone, which means when I'm alone I'm a free kill for even the nubbiest of Scouts... Yeah, I've gotten my share of vehicle kills with the trusty PLC, but the majority of them are the Militia/Basic variants... Any ADV/PRO tank driver with half a brain just flees on the off chance I catch them with their hardeners off and get a couple of PLC shots in...And I sure as hell can't give chase with such a slow sprint speed! Ironically, I have much more success against the more troublesome vehicles using a speed/damp Scout fit, and I imagine most others do, too. So I don't know why you believe the Commando is gamebreaking for AV...
Aidualc LATINOS KILLERS CORP RUST415 499	Posted - 2015.08.03 17:29:00 - [13] - Quote Heracles Porche already did a video... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsLQZecCaHc Commando Powa !!! Real men kill with barely hands and two light weapons Sassy Players kills with OP Core-nades and scramble rifles :V -- Ecce Initio -- Tomate Pote -- *Respectu, Honorem, Value, Unionem*******
Alcina Nektaria KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 94	Posted - 2015.08.03 19:15:00 - [14] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: It wasn't so bad back when swarms were terrible, but now if you so much as enter their LoS you're probably going to have a bad day. Supply depots are probably the real culprit, since running to an SD, grabbing your dual swarms, spamming them, then switching back is a totally acceptable and typically playstyle for most AV players. Oh my....why did it never occur to me to do this. To think all that time I ran a Minmando with swarms I had a real secondary weapon for my defense. Clearly I was a terrible commando for not realizing this brilliant trick! *KEQ Diplomat* Gallente Loyalist ... Come at me bro. A grenade to the head will most certainly get you dead.
DUST Fiend 17	Posted - 2015.08.03 19:29:00 - [15] - Quote Alcina Nektaria wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: It wasn't so bad back when swarms were terrible, but now if you so much as enter their LoS you're probably going to have a bad day. Supply depots are probably the real culprit, since running to an SD, grabbing your dual swarms, spamming them, then switching back is a totally acceptable and typically playstyle for most AV players. Oh my....why did it never occur to me to do this. To think all that time I ran a Minmando with swarms I had a real secondary weapon for my defense. Clearly I was a terrible commando for not realizing this brilliant trick! And that's your choice. People who actually like to clear vehicles tend to run dual swarms and either stick with squads or abuse supply depots. I am a beautiful space manatee, flying through the sky with the greatest of ease Swarms *everywhere*. So-bittervet
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.08.03 22:35:00 - [16] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: None of the classes are distinctly necessary. We could have a functional game with just caldari medium frames. Was there a point to the wall of text? I don't think you know what a wall of text actually is. I don't think you comprehend how little I give a sh*t about grammar semantics. Your original comment contributed nothing. your reply contributed even less. gg. Your attempts at public shaming will only affect people who care if they are liked. Get over yourself. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game 2	Posted - 2015.08.03 22:49:00 - [17] - Quote Commando is a good support role. So that's it. Bring in an assault and it will *** slap every commando. Loyal to The State Official Caldari Commando User**
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet RUST415 317	Posted - 2015.08.03 23:18:00 - [18] - Quote Are great!! \o/
Larkson Crazy Eye WarRavens 159	Posted - 2015.08.03 23:27:00 - [19] - Quote Call me crazy but I can't see the point of using two swarms unless your not very skilled in swarms or M. commando. The reload speed once you've maxed out both is way faster than switching weapons far as I can tell. Why would you use two swarms? I mean sure you could run out of ammo if there are that many vehicles around, but again nano hives are pretty easy to fit. Honestly if you want to go OP I'd say mix it up once PLC and once swarm. Sure your suit bonus would really apply to one weapon, depending on your race but think. First shot should hopefully be the PLC to drastically lower their shields while you have a free shot. Once they start to run finish them off with swarms. Plus an added bonus most people run instantly the second they see a swarm launcher, on the other hand many tanks are dumb enough to try and charge a PLC user to kill them off thinking their easy kills. For all the griping about commando's though the best AV is always a forge gun from afar (officer for the win) or a jumpy scout fit with a PLC and proto AV grenades. PLC to soften them up and spamming 3 grenades to finish them off. All while jumping around, or even on the tank, which allows them to avoid fire a lot better than any commando with a gain missile trail telling the enemy exactly where you are. Ib Halfheart, Goblin Tactician: "Everybody but me--CHARGE!"
jordy mack WarRavens 650	Posted - 2015.08.04 01:52:00 - [20] - Quote commandos rock Less QQ more PewPew

Reign Omega T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 1	Posted - 2015.08.04 02:20:00 - [21] - Quote I use my commandos for quite a variety. Gcom for Av/Ai/Ai with a rifle and a cannon. A rifle and a mass driver for AoD. A rifle and a laser for campers in the rafters. A rifle and a sniper for....well....camping with a bag of chips. 2 rifles for bumrush mode. Same with all the Mandies, I have one on each character. They're fun to fit with a plethora of uses, of which they do not break or infringe in any. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
Cesar Geronimo DUST University Ivy League 39	Posted - 2015.08.04 03:48:00 - [22] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Supply depots are probably the real culprit, since running to an SD, grabbing your dual swarms, spamming them, then switching back is a totally acceptable and typically playstyle for most AV players. Seriously -- As someone who has tried almost every light combination for the hell of it, who in the name of hell would run double swarms? At least Swarms+PLC makes a little bit of sense because it allows you to strip shields before firing swarms...
Beld Errmon 1	Posted - 2015.08.04 04:13:00 - [23] - Quote Cesar Geronimo wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Supply depots are probably the real culprit, since running to an SD, grabbing your dual swarms, spamming them, then switching back is a totally acceptable and typically playstyle for most AV players. Seriously -- As someone who has tried almost every light combination for the hell of it, who in the name of hell would run double swarms? At least Swarms+PLC makes a little bit of sense because it allows you to strip shields before firing swarms... someone standing right next to a supply depot. I gotta say i'm very biased against commandos, as a dropship pilot swarms are the bane of my existence especially, one minmando is enough to keep me out of an area and considering that much of the game now is domination that one suit means I might as well land and recall. But besides the bonus one suit gets to swarms its not really the suit i have a problem with its the balance between swarms and dropships, not gunna derail the subject and talk about that. Only thing I could suggest for the commando in general is to take away its equipment slot, despite having light weapons it should be like the heavy, dependent on a logi to function. Assault Dropship Pilot Semi-Retired Closed Bittervet
Alcina Nektaria KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 94	Posted - 2015.08.04 13:11:00 - [24] - Quote Larkson Crazy Eye wrote: Call me crazy but I can't see the point of using two swarms unless your not very skilled in swarms or M. commando. The reload speed once you've maxed out both is way faster than switching weapons far as I can tell. Why would you use two swarms? I see your point but switching weapons with a simple push of a button is far faster than the reload speed even at reload 5. Those are precious seconds that you could just fire another round of swarms. That is why people use sidearms when their clips empty. In my honest opinion from various guns I've used, the only successful reload maxed out in a tight spot is the combat rifle. I'm still so shocked I never thought of this before. *KEQ Diplomat* Gallente Loyalist ... Come at me bro. A grenade to the head will most certainly get you dead.
Cesar Geronimo DUST University Ivy League 40	Posted - 2015.08.04 14:07:00 - [25] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Alcina Nektaria wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: It wasn't so bad back when swarms were terrible, but now if you so much as enter their LoS you're probably going to have a bad day. Supply depots are probably the real culprit, since running to an SD, grabbing your dual swarms, spamming them, then switching back is a totally acceptable and typically playstyle for most AV players. Oh my....why did it never occur to me to do this. To think all that time I ran a Minmando with swarms I had a real secondary weapon for my defense. Clearly I was a terrible commando for not realizing this brilliant trick! And that's your choice. People who actually like to clear vehicles tend to run dual swarms and either stick with squads or abuse supply depots. If you're running dual swarms, you'd better have a few squadmates watching your back since you're worthless against infantry...Unless you're just talking about perching yourself on some distant rooftop and spamming away...
Alcina Nektaria KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 95	Posted - 2015.08.04 14:10:00 - [26] - Quote Cesar Geronimo wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Alcina Nektaria wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: It wasn't so bad back when swarms were terrible, but now if you so much as enter their LoS you're probably going to have a bad day. Supply depots are probably the real culprit, since running to an SD, grabbing your dual swarms, spamming them, then switching back is a totally acceptable and typically playstyle for most AV players. Oh my....why did it never occur to me to do this. To think all that time I ran a Minmando with swarms I had a real secondary weapon for my defense. Clearly I was a terrible commando for not realizing this brilliant trick! And that's your choice. People who actually like to clear vehicles tend to run dual swarms and either stick with squads or abuse supply depots. If you're running dual swarms, you'd better have a few squadmates watching your back since you're worthless against infantry...Unless you're just talking about perching yourself on some distant rooftop and spamming away... With a bottle of Captain Morgan and a taco *KEQ Diplomat* Gallente Loyalist ... Come at me bro. A grenade to the head will most certainly get you dead.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.08.04 14:11:00 - [27] - Quote Alcina Nektaria wrote: Larkson Crazy Eye wrote: Call me crazy but I can't see the point of using two swarms unless your not very skilled in swarms or M. commando. The reload speed once you've maxed out both is way faster than switching weapons far as I can tell. Why would you use two swarms? I see your point but switching weapons with a simple push of a button is far faster than the reload speed even at reload 5. Those are precious seconds that you could just fire another round of swarms. That is why people use sidearms when their clips empty. In my honest opinion from various guns I've used, the only successful reload maxed out in a tight spot is the combat rifle. I'm still so shocked I never thought of this before. Commando is MUCH faster reloading than pretty much any other suit. It gets two reload bonuses, so it depends entirely on the weapon. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
CUSE TOWN333 0uter.Heaven 2	Posted - 2015.08.04 14:30:00 - [28] - Quote Alcina Nektaria wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: It wasn't so bad back when swarms were terrible, but now if you so much as enter their LoS you're probably going to have a bad day. Supply depots are probably the real culprit, since running to an SD, grabbing your dual swarms, spamming them, then switching back is a totally acceptable and typically playstyle for most AV players. Oh my....why did it never occur to me to do this. To think all that time I ran a Minmando with swarms I had a real secondary weapon for my defense. Clearly I was a terrible commando for not realizing this brilliant trick! cause real tryhards only need one swarm launcher to take down a vehicle. CBM
korrah silain True Illuminate 107	Posted - 2015.08.04 14:45:00 - [29] - Quote Personally I run galmando specifically because I find it easier to ignore tanks, using PLC to scare them off if they annoy me. My favorite fit is my 'buccaneer' suit: shotty, burst ar, double myos(mainly for damage, though the hop is good for ducking behind corners if you get caught) armor rep, kincat, and cardiac regs(gotta love combat drugs) and a needle for my equipment(gotta love sharing combat drugs) yarrr matey! you ever get to that point where you know you should sleep, but ya just...dont? yeah...me too.
Scotty AI MatchMaker WarRavens 259	Posted - 2015.08.04 14:52:00 - [30] - Quote Buwaro Draemon wrote: Now I want you all to know that this is my opinion. Okay, so, I've been thinking about it. And the more it comes to me that Commandos are off balancing AI/AV as they can do both easily (especially the Minmatar Commando). Now, yes, in some games like Battlefield, you can have your primary with an AV weapon but comparing the TTK of a Commando with that of a Battlefield soldier, well, it can take somewhat of a wallop if well fitted. Now, I'm saying this because back before all Commandos were added, the only AV players were the true ones that specialized in it. Now? Get a Minmatar Commando, some Swarms and fire away. Infantry isn't a problem either because you can gun them down with the Combat Rifle easily. A tank gets too close? Whip out the swarms. Now, all I am saying is that Commandos, in my point of view, are unbalancing AI/AV. Therefore an unnecesary addition to the game. Fun. But unnecesary. Now, I do use Commandos myself, infact, the Minmatar Commando was the first suit I specced into when 1.8 came because I kmew what it would become (sadly Scout 514 overshadowed it as with every other suit in the game) and to be honest with all of you guys, AV vs V will never achieve true balance as long as Commandos exist (or they still receive weapon damage bonus) mix that with the Warbarge damage bonus and vehicles will have nowhere to go. Commandos were a fun idea but an unnecesary one. Excuse my grammar. i only use cal commandos, you want to have it removed? 'The shadows betray you because they belong to me,'



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