Why not just a Shield Recharge Tool?

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Why not just a Shield Recharge Tool?

i thought we couldnt have one because people would dual tank and get shield and armor repped at the same time and be invincible?

i thought we couldnt have one because people would dual tank and get shield and armor repped at the same time and be invincible?

i thought we couldnt have one because people would dual tank and get shield and armor repped at the same time and be invincible?

A shield booster equipment activated like the cloak would be cool.

When we say shield rep tool we aren't suggesting that said tool rep armor at all.

How is that any different from being repped by 2 armor repair tools at the same time? HP per second is just HP per second.

No I mean one guy with two separate logis. Each logi repping either shields or armor using either a shield repper or armor repper.

Cal assault with 600+ shields and 600+ armor for example. One logi would rep his shields, while the other reps his armor.

And what about dropsuit shield regen stacking with shield reps? Or the potential issue of a shield repper overriding shield delays and kick starting shield regen?

Those are issues that need to be addressed, yes?

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I do have one idea that could solve those problems though. You can only be shield or armor repped, not both at the same time. Which ever repper is used first locks out the other type.

So you can use multiple shield reppers on the same guy, but you can't have two shield reppers and one armor repper activated on the same guy.

There is absolutely no functional difference between a shield rep + armor rep and 2 armor reps.

Except the shield rep is likely to do less hp/s

A shield booster equipment activated like the cloak would be cool.

Then make it so only one rep tool can affect a target at a time.

But that means you need to eliminate the ability to stack fire armor reps.

Either you can have multiple logi reps or you can't.

The ability to have multiple reps on armor has to be removed from the game in order for your statement to be valid.

Instead of a carry all rep tool, how about a shield nanohive, specific to the caldari logi.

- Cal logi specific bonus.
- Deployable means its for fixed positions like caldari lore.
- Doesnt need a new asset to be rendered, just stat adjustment
- Can be countered with a flux nade.
- Make available only as a PROTO tier nanohive to avoid spam.

I mentioned this in another thread. If Nanohives are Caldari tech and they get the bonuses, wouldn't it behoove them to have a nanohive that repairs shields instead of armor. The notion seems kind of counter-intuitive.

I disagree on the last part though of only being proto. Make it at every level just make the lower tiers have minimal repair (like 5 - 10 HP/ sec.)

I think it would be better if, instead of actual HP, it shortened the shield regen time by 25-50-75%. You get the shield regen on your suit, not more, but you get to restart it much quicker. A Cal Assault with energizers/rechargers will have almost instant regen. A Calmando will have their regen time start much quicker, making it more viable in multiple enemy engagements, etc.


*edit 2* I also have never understood why we couldn't have both. Make a whole new skill tree for it to require SP, and have a Shield HP nanohive and a shield regen time nanohive.

Infantry juggle an active module? lol

Couldn't we limit rep use by type? Either way is fine, but what about being able to stack either shield reps or armor reps only but not both?

Because there's no functional, mid firefight difference between two shield reps, two armor reps or a shield plus an armor..

Saying there is kinda reminds me of people who argue that a law is illegal because it wasn't included in their nation's founding document.

There is one difference, or possible difference depending the literal mechanics for the shield reps, the 1xarmor + 1xshield is likely to be the weakest combination in such situations because it cannot apply its full value simultaneously.
At it's most potent possible iteration it will be, just as you say, no more powerful than things that exist in game already.
I'm just noting that it could also be functionally weaker (repping the armor of someone who still has shields left is not providing direct impact on their status in the gunfight, it's only after those shields are gone that the armor reps start to matter in a fire fight).

I just had a better idea than my previous one IMO:

Let's create a new variant of shield rechargers so no need of more SP to have it.
This shield recharger would have a 30 sec delay (no matter if it's basic or proto) and would automatically give 250/350/500 shield back (according to its tier) when your shield is depleted. The passive bonus of recharger would apply to bring these numbers a little higher.

So you could chose between faster recharge overtime, or a slow regen with a big tic available every 30 sec whenever your shield is depleted.

A good solution for duels, but maybe not that good for a hit and run slayer gameplay who gets hit constantly.

If you want both fast regen and instant regen, you'll have to sacrifice 2 highs which means less HP or damage.

Thoughts?

But if you guys already thought through it all and still think it's ok. By all means, let's have a shield rep tool.

I worry that this would basically be a huge shield extender that works every 30 seconds. I mean if it goes off when your shields deplete, that basically increases your total shield HP by whatever that boosted amount is right? Granted its not 'always on' like a shield extender but I do have some concerns in terms of balance.

And what if it reduces the regen by say 10/20/30% ? It'll be like using your regen all at once but then.. well.. you're screwed !
A lot can happen in 30 seconds of battle so I don't think this would OP. Look at vehicle shield boosters, they do exactly the same thing and are not OP ^^

And in Havs/lavs stil broken. If you turn on booster and some one shoot to you (ex. by rifle) boster stops....

I worry that this would basically be basically a huge shield extender that works every 30 seconds. I mean if it goes off when your shields deplete, that basically increases your total shield HP by whatever that boosted amount is right? Granted its not 'always on' like a shield extender but I do have some concerns in terms of balance.



No need to sound aggravated.

As I said before (apologies, was on my phone and the boss came around so I had to cut it short), it might be worth exploring other options for external shield support that is not the traditional "lock on and rep" like we see with the repair tool. I know when Cross and I were speaking about it, one though of a more AoE effect that forcefully starts the shield regen of allies in the area of effect, kinda think like an active scanner but it starts shield recharge in the direction you fire it. Just food for thought.

And while it's not a terribly good example, I experimented heavily with vehicle reps back when we had them and on several occasions attempted repping with both a Remote Armor Rep and a Shield Transporter simultaneously. The effect was fairly lackluster as I found most of the time it was more efficient to double up on the same type of rep than split between shields and armor. Now obviously that's a very very loose comparison but really the only practical example we can have in using both rep types simultaneously.

Well that's another problem.. The instant shield recharger I'm talking about would be instant and unstoppable or it would be useless.

It would really go alongside the shield mentality and would bring a nice concept to the shield vs armor meta.

You'd need to manipulate the threshold for the modules duration. Either with a temporary damage reduction or a temporarily raising the damage threshold so that the amount of damage taken during the modules duration is less that the damage threshold