DUST Search - [IDEA] dropsuit shield booster

Thokk Nightshade wrote:

Tesfa Alem wrote:

Instead of a carry all rep tool, how about a shield nanohive, specific to the caldari logi.

- Cal logi specific bonus.
- Deployable means its for fixed positions like caldari lore.
- Doesnt need a new asset to be rendered, just stat adjustment
- Can be countered with a flux nade.
- Make available only as a PROTO tier nanohive to avoid spam.

I mentioned this in another thread. If Nanohives are Caldari tech and they get the bonuses, wouldn't it behoove them to have a nanohive that repairs shields instead of armor. The notion seems kind of counter-intuitive.

I disagree on the last part though of only being proto. Make it at every level just make the lower tiers have minimal repair (like 5 - 10 HP/ sec.)

I think it would be better if, instead of actual HP, it shortened the shield regen time by 25-50-75%. You get the shield regen on your suit, not more, but you get to restart it much quicker. A Cal Assault with energizers/rechargers will have almost instant regen. A Calmando will have their regen time start much quicker, making it more viable in multiple enemy engagements, etc.

*edit 2* I also have never understood why we couldn't have both. Make a whole new skill tree for it to require SP, and have a Shield HP nanohive and a shield regen time nanohive.

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Aderek Made in Poland... E-R-A 201	Posted - 2015.08.02 08:23:00 - [1] - Quote Hello. So, we have shield boosters to hav, lav, ds, why we cant have it for dropsuit? What you think about it? Rember, we dont have shield repair tool. Good day;) dust514.pl, wcogram.pl, i-play24.net MM proto logi 80 kk SP and growing
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6	Posted - 2015.08.02 08:31:00 - [2] - Quote Why not just a Shield Recharge Tool? Pokey Dravon for CPM2
Aderek Made in Poland... E-R-A 201	Posted - 2015.08.02 08:37:00 - [3] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Why not just a Shield Recharge Tool? You cannot heal himself :) dust514.pl, wcogram.pl, i-play24.net MM proto logi 80 kk SP and growing
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6	Posted - 2015.08.02 10:02:00 - [4] - Quote Aderek wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Why not just a Shield Recharge Tool? You cannot heal himself :) Nor can an armor user.....? But really, shield tools need to be a thing. Pokey Dravon for CPM2
Coincidental Jones Skullbreakers 23	Posted - 2015.08.02 10:27:00 - [5] - Quote My favoured concept for a Shield Recharge Tool would be one that acts as a remote Shield Booster. Simply put, it would fire a single pulse, granting an immediate number of Shields and restarting the target suit's natural regen.
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 1	Posted - 2015.08.02 10:54:00 - [6] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Why not just a Shield Recharge Tool? i thought we couldnt have one because people would dual tank and get shield and armor repped at the same time and be invincible?
Cavani1EE7 Negative-Feedback. 1	Posted - 2015.08.02 13:44:00 - [7] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Why not just a Shield Recharge Tool? i thought we couldnt have one because people would dual tank and get shield and armor repped at the same time and be invincible? This. What I would like to see as a shield tanker is pretty much a regen rate booster-delay annulling tool/nanohive 10100111001 Shield tanking is hard mode /period. 10100111001
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6	Posted - 2015.08.02 18:51:00 - [8] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Why not just a Shield Recharge Tool? i thought we couldnt have one because people would dual tank and get shield and armor repped at the same time and be invincible? How is that any different from being repped by 2 armor repair tools at the same time? HP per second is just HP per second. Pokey Dravon for CPM2
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 12	Posted - 2015.08.02 19:10:00 - [9] - Quote A shield booster equipment activated like the cloak would be cool. Gû¦Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum altGû+
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.08.03 06:14:00 - [10] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Why not just a Shield Recharge Tool? i thought we couldnt have one because people would dual tank and get shield and armor repped at the same time and be invincible? When we say shield rep tool we aren't suggesting that said tool rep armor at all. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.

Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5	Posted - 2015.08.03 06:36:00 - [11] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: A shield booster equipment activated like the cloak would be cool. I believe Zaria has a whole suggestion along those lines, perhaps she'll see this thread and elaborate CPM 1, reelection platform here.
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 1	Posted - 2015.08.03 06:49:00 - [12] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Why not just a Shield Recharge Tool? i thought we couldnt have one because people would dual tank and get shield and armor repped at the same time and be invincible? When we say shield rep tool we aren't suggesting that said tool rep armor at all. No I mean one guy with two separate logis. Each logi repping either shields or armor using either a shield repper or armor repper. Cal assault with 600+ shields and 600+ armor for example. One logi would rep his shields, while the other reps his armor. And what about dropsuit shield regen stacking with shield reps? Or the potential issue of a shield repper overriding shield delays and kick starting shield regen? Those are issues that need to be addressed, yes? I do have one idea that could solve those problems though. You can only be shield or armor repped, not both at the same time. Which ever repper is used first locks out the other type. So you can use multiple shield reppers on the same guy, but you can't have two shield reppers and one armor repper activated on the same guy.
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 1	Posted - 2015.08.03 07:01:00 - [13] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Why not just a Shield Recharge Tool? i thought we couldnt have one because people would dual tank and get shield and armor repped at the same time and be invincible? How is that any different from being repped by 2 armor repair tools at the same time? HP per second is just HP per second. It's not though. It's dropsuit shield regen + shield rep tool regen. And then also whatever armor reps are applied. I can get dropsuit shield regen on cal assault over 100 hp/s already. And because of how shield mechanics work, if you applied a shield rep, you kick start shield regen. There wouldn't be a shield delay anymore, and you'd end up with 100 hp/s + whatever the shield repper gives you. So either shield rep tool would have to be inferior to balance out dropsuit shield regen fits or it would risk being OP.
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 1	Posted - 2015.08.03 07:06:00 - [14] - Quote The shield logi LAV reps were OP as hell when you got the reps on you. The reason they weren't a problem was because of the vehicle handling and rep tool shared controls. You couldn't do both at the same time. The driver usually got killed or lost his lock try to stay alive. It was a clumsy design
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 1	Posted - 2015.08.03 07:50:00 - [15] - Quote The difference between overwhleming a shield rep tool and a armor rep tool is by the time you knock down armor the clone is dead. And there are high alpha ways to overwhelm any rep tool. Knocking down shields in only half the battle, the clone is still alive and shooting. Sheild recharge is already high enough on shield suits. The initial delay is where sheild suits suffer the most. My cal assault has 70+ regen and a two second delay. In four seconds thats 140 hp back. Comaper to my gallente assault, whcih has a respectable 20 reps per second. In four seconds i've gotten back 80 hp. The down side is that my caldari assault is exposed for the first two seconds, and has a smaller HP pool than my gallente assault. Gallente assault can brawl in a crowded room because high HP but low regen, so has to hide or wait on a rep tool. The upside is that i can re engage single targets faster with the caldari, but dont dare take on multiple targets with my lower HP. Instead of a carry all rep tool, how about a shield nanohive, specific to the caldari logi. - Cal logi specific bonus. - Deployable means its for fixed positions like caldari lore. - Doesnt need a new asset to be rendered, just stat adjustment - Can be countered with a flux nade. - Make available only as a PROTO tier nanohive to avoid spam. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me. "I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati vote Tesfa for CPM2
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.08.03 09:42:00 - [16] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Why not just a Shield Recharge Tool? i thought we couldnt have one because people would dual tank and get shield and armor repped at the same time and be invincible? When we say shield rep tool we aren't suggesting that said tool rep armor at all. No I mean one guy with two separate logis. Each logi repping either shields or armor using either a shield repper or armor repper. Cal assault with 600+ shields and 600+ armor for example. One logi would rep his shields, while the other reps his armor. And what about dropsuit shield regen stacking with shield reps? Or the potential issue of a shield repper overriding shield delays and kick starting shield regen? Those are issues that need to be addressed, yes? I do have one idea that could solve those problems though. You can only be shield or armor repped, not both at the same time. Which ever repper is used first locks out the other type. So you can use multiple shield reppers on the same guy, but you can't have two shield reppers and one armor repper activated on the same guy. There is absolutely no functional difference between a shield rep + armor rep and 2 armor reps. Except the shield rep is likely to do less hp/s WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 1	Posted - 2015.08.03 10:54:00 - [17] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Why not just a Shield Recharge Tool? i thought we couldnt have one because people would dual tank and get shield and armor repped at the same time and be invincible? When we say shield rep tool we aren't suggesting that said tool rep armor at all. No I mean one guy with two separate logis. Each logi repping either shields or armor using either a shield repper or armor repper. Cal assault with 600+ shields and 600+ armor for example. One logi would rep his shields, while the other reps his armor. And what about dropsuit shield regen stacking with shield reps? Or the potential issue of a shield repper overriding shield delays and kick starting shield regen? Those are issues that need to be addressed, yes? I do have one idea that could solve those problems though. You can only be shield or armor repped, not both at the same time. Which ever repper is used first locks out the other type. So you can use multiple shield reppers on the same guy, but you can't have two shield reppers and one armor repper activated on the same guy. There is absolutely no functional difference between a shield rep + armor rep and 2 armor reps. Except the shield rep is likely to do less hp/s i get that. im also saying that it would not be balanced to allow both shields and armor to be repped at the same time.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.08.03 13:45:00 - [18] - Quote Then make it so only one rep tool can affect a target at a time. But that means you need to eliminate the ability to stack fire armor reps. Either you can have multiple logi reps or you can't. The ability to have multiple reps on armor has to be removed from the game in order for your statement to be valid. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 699	Posted - 2015.08.03 14:29:00 - [19] - Quote It would be interesting if shielding was complicated and armor was simple. Basically, having active abilities (e.g. shield booster) for the shields, which would mean that a shield tanker would need to actively manage their shields to get the most out of their tank. You could get arbitrarily simple or complex with this. An external tool - equivalent to the armor repper, but very different in mechanics, to keep the differences between the tanking styles interesting - could fit that niche, by resetting the countdown on shield boosters or just removing shield regen delay. It could also be a placed equipment, but that might be seen as stealing from Planetside 2's shield regeneration bubble. Removing shield delay on a targetted suit makes sense in the customization department, as it would mean that squad layouts would be very different from solo layouts - Solo, you need a lower delay, but in squads you would profit more from pure regeneration speeds. Obviously, the modules would need to be balanced around that. Meanwhile, armor could be the "simple" brother of shields. It regenerates at all times, but more slowly and tanks with higher HP, but at cost of mobility and the repair tool is both easier to understand and more of a hassle/less time efficient.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 3	Posted - 2015.08.03 20:39:00 - [20] - Quote Infantry juggle an active module? lol PS3 is back in its box.

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 20	Posted - 2015.08.03 20:57:00 - [21] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: A shield booster equipment activated like the cloak would be cool. You mean Ancillary Armour Repairers that function like that. Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 1	Posted - 2015.08.03 22:22:00 - [22] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Then make it so only one rep tool can affect a target at a time. But that means you need to eliminate the ability to stack fire armor reps. Either you can have multiple logi reps or you can't. The ability to have multiple reps on armor has to be removed from the game in order for your statement to be valid. Couldn't we limit rep use by type? Either way is fine, but what about being able to stack either shield reps or armor reps only but not both?
Thokk Nightshade Montana Militia 1	Posted - 2015.08.03 23:55:00 - [23] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: Instead of a carry all rep tool, how about a shield nanohive, specific to the caldari logi. - Cal logi specific bonus. - Deployable means its for fixed positions like caldari lore. - Doesnt need a new asset to be rendered, just stat adjustment - Can be countered with a flux nade. - Make available only as a PROTO tier nanohive to avoid spam. I mentioned this in another thread. If Nanohives are Caldari tech and they get the bonuses, wouldn't it behoove them to have a nanohive that repairs shields instead of armor. The notion seems kind of counter-intuitive. Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 1	Posted - 2015.08.04 06:26:00 - [24] - Quote Thokk Nightshade wrote: Tesfa Alem wrote: Instead of a carry all rep tool, how about a shield nanohive, specific to the caldari logi. - Cal logi specific bonus. - Deployable means its for fixed positions like caldari lore. - Doesnt need a new asset to be rendered, just stat adjustment - Can be countered with a flux nade. - Make available only as a PROTO tier nanohive to avoid spam. I mentioned this in another thread. If Nanohives are Caldari tech and they get the bonuses, wouldn't it behoove them to have a nanohive that repairs shields instead of armor. The notion seems kind of counter-intuitive. I disagree on the last part though of only being proto. Make it at every level just make the lower tiers have minimal repair (like 5 - 10 HP/ sec.) I think it would be better if, instead of actual HP, it shortened the shield regen time by 25-50-75%. You get the shield regen on your suit, not more, but you get to restart it much quicker. A Cal Assault with energizers/rechargers will have almost instant regen. A Calmando will have their regen time start much quicker, making it more viable in multiple enemy engagements, etc. edit 2 I also have never understood why we couldn't have both. Make a whole new skill tree for it to require SP, and have a Shield HP nanohive and a shield regen time nanohive. I proposed it as a nanohive to be as simple as possible. The simpler it is for the devs to implement, the more likely it will be that they actually do. A proto one would be nice to start with, easier to tweak one to increase or reduce its effectivness than to fix three across tiers. I really want it to be logi specific, not readily used on an assault, commando, scout. And it were only unlockable at level 3 cal logi, that would be perfect. Makes cal logi super relevant, and very uniuqe as well as helping out shield suits. win win for me. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me. "I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati vote Tesfa for CPM2
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 700	Posted - 2015.08.04 10:53:00 - [25] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Infantry juggle an active module? lol The only thing speaking against it is the current implementation of the equipment wheel. Other than that, it makes perfect sense. I basically already do this as a Caldari Logi, but with equipment/my gun instead of active modules, which amounts to about the same thing. Just having a shield repair nanohive should be the simplest and most efficient implementation to fix the lack of shield repair tool and nothing else, though.
Sequal's Back Dead Man's Game 802	Posted - 2015.08.04 15:05:00 - [26] - Quote +1 An instant shield booster would be a great buff to caldaris without beeing OP because of their lower HP and them not having shield rep tools. Could be easily implemented in the low slots (add these to reg's stats and limit the amount of reg to 1 per suit just like myos). They already have the code to activate modules on tank, and it's basically the same thing here ! WON'T YOU PLEASE TAKE ME HOME ! -Sequal Rise
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.08.04 15:17:00 - [27] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Then make it so only one rep tool can affect a target at a time. But that means you need to eliminate the ability to stack fire armor reps. Either you can have multiple logi reps or you can't. The ability to have multiple reps on armor has to be removed from the game in order for your statement to be valid. Couldn't we limit rep use by type? Either way is fine, but what about being able to stack either shield reps or armor reps only but not both? Because there's no functional, mid firefight difference between two shield reps, two armor reps or a shield plus an armor.. Saying there is kinda reminds me of people who argue that a law is illegal because it wasn't included in their nation's founding document. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5	Posted - 2015.08.04 15:42:00 - [28] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Then make it so only one rep tool can affect a target at a time. But that means you need to eliminate the ability to stack fire armor reps. Either you can have multiple logi reps or you can't. The ability to have multiple reps on armor has to be removed from the game in order for your statement to be valid. Couldn't we limit rep use by type? Either way is fine, but what about being able to stack either shield reps or armor reps only but not both? Because there's no functional, mid firefight difference between two shield reps, two armor reps or a shield plus an armor.. Saying there is kinda reminds me of people who argue that a law is illegal because it wasn't included in their nation's founding document. There is one difference, or possible difference depending the literal mechanics for the shield reps, the 1xarmor + 1xshield is likely to be the weakest combination in such situations because it cannot apply its full value simultaneously. At it's most potent possible iteration it will be, just as you say, no more powerful than things that exist in game already. I'm just noting that it could also be functionally weaker (repping the armor of someone who still has shields left is not providing direct impact on their status in the gunfight, it's only after those shields are gone that the armor reps start to matter in a fire fight). CPM 1, reelection platform here.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6	Posted - 2015.08.04 22:34:00 - [29] - Quote Besides as Cross and I have discussed before it may be more appriate if Shield Transporters operated significantly different from armor repairers. Pokey Dravon for CPM2
Sequal's Back Dead Man's Game 805	Posted - 2015.08.04 22:55:00 - [30] - Quote I just had a better idea than my previous one IMO: Let's create a new variant of shield rechargers so no need of more SP to have it. This shield recharger would have a 30 sec delay (no matter if it's basic or proto) and would automatically give 250/350/500 shield back (according to its tier) when your shield is depleted. The passive bonus of recharger would apply to bring these numbers a little higher. So you could chose between faster recharge overtime, or a slow regen with a big tic available every 30 sec whenever your shield is depleted. A good solution for duels, but maybe not that good for a hit and run slayer gameplay who gets hit constantly. If you want both fast regen and instant regen, you'll have to sacrifice 2 highs which means less HP or damage. Thoughts? WON'T YOU PLEASE TAKE ME HOME ! -Sequal Rise



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