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Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y
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Posted - 2015.08.01 20:43:00 -
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Everyone who gets into the match has to deposit 100k .
They get the 100k back at the end of the game if they stayed.
Their 100k goes to who ever is left at the end of the match if they leave, thus rewarding the people who stuck through the game.
What do you guys think? o:
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Dreis ShadowWeaver
Corrosive Synergy No Context
6
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Posted - 2015.08.01 20:46:00 -
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Brand new players start with only 25K, so I don't see how this would work.
Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel
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Lightning35 Delta514
48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE
1
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Posted - 2015.08.01 20:47:00 -
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HA I WIN. I THOUGHT IT BEFORE YOU. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=205338
CEO of 48SOF - "The Trading Corp"
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Lightning35 Delta514
48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE
1
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Posted - 2015.08.01 20:50:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Brand new players start with only 25K, so I don't see how this would work. There should be a point set where this actually takes place to be effective. New players won't really leave matches as they want to learn the game. It's just us old people (not really I'm 15) who leave/rage quit.
Maybe at 5m sp?
CEO of 48SOF - "The Trading Corp"
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howard sanchez
Vader's-Fist
1
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Posted - 2015.08.01 20:51:00 -
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I have a wonderful idea for how to get them to stop:
Quit worrying about stupid crap like 'winning' and 'losing' and 'KDr'.
Start focusing on Command Point production. Focus on Mission Completion.
Stop worrying about your damn self, petty confused mercs! Make it about something bigger than your pathetic clone's bottom line. You're just gonna die in the next battle! That's why the door is locked! There's no need to leave!
Want to keep them all fighting to the end? Give them a cause. Something to die for!
Want DUST to thrive? Want the Tide to rise? Want the Heath to burn? And clones to rise to their rightful place in the stars?!
Join Vader's-Fist now
Recruiting now! Apply to VADER'S-FIST
Be a part of the change
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Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y
858
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Posted - 2015.08.01 21:00:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Brand new players start with only 25K, so I don't see how this would work. Brand new players start out in academy
The C.EO. of G.L.O.R.Y,
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Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y
858
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Posted - 2015.08.01 21:01:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: But I look better saying it :D
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Talos Vagheitan
Ancient Exiles.
2
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Posted - 2015.08.01 21:02:00 -
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How about we implement better matchmaking rather than double punishing noobs who don't want to sit through 15 minutes of getting red line camped.
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Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y
858
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Posted - 2015.08.01 21:02:00 -
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howard sanchez wrote:I have a wonderful idea for how to get them to stop:
Quit worrying about stupid crap like 'winning' and 'losing' and 'KDr'.
Start focusing on Command Point production. Focus on Mission Completion.
Stop worrying about your damn self, petty confused mercs! Make it about something bigger than your pathetic clone's bottom line. You're just gonna die in the next battle! That's why the door is locked! There's no need to leave!
Want to keep them all fighting to the end? Give them a cause. Something to die for!
Want DUST to thrive? Want the Tide to rise? Want the Heath to burn? And clones to rise to their rightful place in the stars?!
Join Vader's-Fist now
Are you seriously going to troll my thread with recruiting? Go post int he recruiting section :/
The C.EO. of G.L.O.R.Y,
(~..)~ Now on Youtube ~(..~)
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Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y
858
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Posted - 2015.08.01 21:04:00 -
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Talos Vagheitan wrote:How about we implement better matchmaking rather than double punishing noobs who don't want to sit through 15 minutes of getting red line camped. 16 people join, that' 1.6mil in the pot
The fewer people left the bigger your cut, on top of what you would already get from the match. If it's you alone, it's going to be like playing 5 matches for pay out in one. I don't see how you lose.
The C.EO. of G.L.O.R.Y,
(~..)~ Now on Youtube ~(..~)
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Aeon Amadi
Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback
11
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Posted - 2015.08.01 21:05:00 -
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My response to this is the same as it always is to the topic of people leaving matches:
Carrot. Not the stick.
Aeon Amadi for CPM 2
Design A SKIN 2
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Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y
858
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Posted - 2015.08.01 21:21:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:My response to this is the same as it always is to the topic of people leaving matches:
Carrot. Not the stick.
This method uses both, thus, twice as effective.
The C.EO. of G.L.O.R.Y,
(~..)~ Now on Youtube ~(..~)
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Lightning35 Delta514
48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE
1
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Posted - 2015.08.01 21:21:00 -
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Mortishai Belmont wrote:Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: But I look better saying it :D
Can't agree or disagree.
One is short BUT plain and the other is full of details BUT LONG. Actually, I look better saying it- I have more likes lmao
CEO of 48SOF - "The Trading Corp"
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Aeon Amadi
Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback
11
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Posted - 2015.08.01 21:27:00 -
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Mortishai Belmont wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:My response to this is the same as it always is to the topic of people leaving matches:
Carrot. Not the stick. This method uses both, thus, twice as effective.
Sure. Until the power goes out. Or you get disconnected because of an internal error. Or because a member of your squad didn't deploy with you. Or because of Scotty.
Multitude of reasons why collateral for pub matches is a terrible idea.
Aeon Amadi for CPM 2
Design A SKIN 2
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howard sanchez
Vader's-Fist
1
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Posted - 2015.08.01 21:28:00 -
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Mortishai Belmont wrote:howard sanchez wrote:I have a wonderful idea for how to get them to stop:
Quit worrying about stupid crap like 'winning' and 'losing' and 'KDr'.
Start focusing on Command Point production. Focus on Mission Completion.
Stop worrying about your damn self, petty confused mercs! Make it about something bigger than your pathetic clone's bottom line. You're just gonna die in the next battle! That's why the door is locked! There's no need to leave!
Want to keep them all fighting to the end? Give them a cause. Something to die for!
Want DUST to thrive? Want the Tide to rise? Want the Heath to burn? And clones to rise to their rightful place in the stars?!
Join Vader's-Fist now
Are you seriously going to troll my thread with recruiting? Go post int he recruiting section :/ G.L.O.R.Y. CEO: be advised, VF is not trolling or recruiting in your thread. We are offering a serious option that does not require CCP to develop anything or change the game direction from its current state.
We are offering content driven towards the deep end of the pool. We are offering motivation beyond SP gain, KDr, isk collection and other hamster wheels that lead to burn-out.
We are providing the greater DUST community a choice - make the game a success or do not. The game is playable and fun enough that we are all here doing what we do. We have the infrastructure and tools to grow interest and involvement that will drive the PCU up.
If we drive the PCU up we can measure the impact on things matchmaking and game performance. But more importantly we can all have a better time with a game we love. Because we won't be grinding and worrying about W:L, KDr, etc.
You can fight for a cause. Help us over-turn the board. Wipe it all clean. I'm not recruiting I'm offering. If DUST dies it will be because we stopped playing.
Play for a reason. Make something different happen. If that's all the cause you need then great! There it is.
Need more? Do it for Ratatti - return on investment for his year of effort. Show CCP what we can do.
Need more? Do it for the good old times you all miss...Know how many old vets and forum warriors are in my corp chat?
Do it for whatever reason you want but stop asking what CCP can do for you, start doing what you can for DUST.
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Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y
860
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Posted - 2015.08.01 21:32:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Mortishai Belmont wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:My response to this is the same as it always is to the topic of people leaving matches:
Carrot. Not the stick. This method uses both, thus, twice as effective. Sure. Until the power goes out. Or you get disconnected because of an internal error. Or because a member of your squad didn't deploy with you. Or because of Scotty. Multitude of reasons why collateral for pub matches is a terrible idea.
Squads have been reduced to limit the amount of people that can D/C Also, what do you think still happens when the enemy is paired up forthe squad thats backing out to pick up there guy? It will be unbalanced.
i you D/C in a match you usually lose your suit anyway, so your still losing isk in reality.
Scotty wouldn't be an issue because I'm talking about battle deployment, beyond the waiting screen.
The biggest problem is that people are leaving, not those issues which you are talking about so I think the priority should go to the more damaging factor to the community.
The only real reason not to want it, is if your one of those that frequently leave battle.
The C.EO. of G.L.O.R.Y,
(~..)~ Now on Youtube ~(..~)
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Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y
860
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Posted - 2015.08.01 21:33:00 -
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howard sanchez wrote:Mortishai Belmont wrote:howard sanchez wrote:I have a wonderful idea for how to get them to stop:
Quit worrying about stupid crap like 'winning' and 'losing' and 'KDr'.
Start focusing on Command Point production. Focus on Mission Completion.
Stop worrying about your damn self, petty confused mercs! Make it about something bigger than your pathetic clone's bottom line. You're just gonna die in the next battle! That's why the door is locked! There's no need to leave!
Want to keep them all fighting to the end? Give them a cause. Something to die for!
Want DUST to thrive? Want the Tide to rise? Want the Heath to burn? And clones to rise to their rightful place in the stars?!
Join Vader's-Fist now
Are you seriously going to troll my thread with recruiting? Go post int he recruiting section :/ G.L.O.R.Y. CEO: be advised, VF is not trolling or recruiting in your thread. We are offering a serious option that does not require CCP to develop anything or change the game direction from its current state. We are offering content driven towards the deep end of the pool. We are offering motivation beyond SP gain, KDr, isk collection and other hamster wheels that lead to burn-out. We are providing the greater DUST community a choice - make the game a success or do not. The game is playable and fun enough that we are all here doing what we do. We have the infrastructure and tools to grow interest and involvement that will drive the PCU up. If we drive the PCU up we can measure the impact on things matchmaking and game performance. But more importantly we can all have a better time with a game we love. Because we won't be grinding and worrying about W:L, KDr, etc. You can fight for a cause. Help us over-turn the board. Wipe it all clean. I'm not recruiting I'm offering. If DUST dies it will be because we stopped playing. Play for a reason. Make something different happen. If that's all the cause you need then great! There it is. Need more? Do it for Ratatti - return on investment for his year of effort. Show CCP what we can do. Need more? Do it for the good old times you all miss...Know how many old vets and forum warriors are in my corp chat? Do it for whatever reason you want but stop asking what CCP can do for you, start doing what you can for DUST.
I'm disreguarding your statements as I was referring to the last line of your post, your not only doing it in this topic too. Go to the recruiting forums.
The C.EO. of G.L.O.R.Y,
(~..)~ Now on Youtube ~(..~)
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Jalame La Bola
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
31
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Posted - 2015.08.01 21:35:00 -
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Casual solo player dropping by, this is a terrible idea. |
Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y
860
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Posted - 2015.08.01 21:37:00 -
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Jalame La Bola wrote:Casual solo player dropping by, this is a terrible idea. If you leave a lot of battles, you would say that.
If you don't, then you stand to gain a lot more then lose.
And it's only 100k, it's not like your putting up a mil or anything. So if you do need to leave a match, your not loosing much.
If you leave all day, your going to go bankrupt and it will teach you a lesson about screwing over everyone who does stay in the battle you left.
The C.EO. of G.L.O.R.Y,
(~..)~ Now on Youtube ~(..~)
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zDemoncake
Horizons' Edge No Context
1
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Posted - 2015.08.01 21:42:00 -
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Let's just remove the leave battle feature.
If someone really wants to leave, they'll have to endure the 15 minute wait warning them to be safe with the PSmove
CEO of Horizons' Edge's mercenary division
My soul, your beats!
Enemy to many; equal to none.
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Void Echo
Helix Terrestrial Operations LLC
2
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Posted - 2015.08.01 21:49:00 -
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howard sanchez wrote:I have a wonderful idea for how to get them to stop:
Quit worrying about stupid crap like 'winning' and 'losing' and 'KDr'.
Start focusing on Command Point production. Focus on Mission Completion.
Stop worrying about your damn self, petty confused mercs! Make it about something bigger than your pathetic clone's bottom line. You're just gonna die in the next battle! That's why the door is locked! There's no need to leave!
Want to keep them all fighting to the end? Give them a cause. Something to die for!
Want DUST to thrive? Want the Tide to rise? Want the Heath to burn? And clones to rise to their rightful place in the stars?!
Join Vader's-Fist now
That pretty much goes against the Dust 514 way of life, your mercenary is what you work with personally.
Closed Beta Vet.
Founder of Helix Terrestrial Operations LLC.
Playstation 4 = Future of Dust514.
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Aeon Amadi
Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback
11
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Posted - 2015.08.01 22:10:00 -
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Mortishai Belmont wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Mortishai Belmont wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:My response to this is the same as it always is to the topic of people leaving matches:
Carrot. Not the stick. This method uses both, thus, twice as effective. Sure. Until the power goes out. Or you get disconnected because of an internal error. Or because a member of your squad didn't deploy with you. Or because of Scotty. Multitude of reasons why collateral for pub matches is a terrible idea. Squads have been reduced to limit the amount of people that can D/C Also, what do you think still happens when the enemy is paired up forthe squad thats backing out to pick up there guy? It will be unbalanced. i you D/C in a match you usually lose your suit anyway, so your still losing isk in reality. Scotty wouldn't be an issue because I'm talking about battle deployment, beyond the waiting screen. The biggest problem is that people are leaving, not those issues which you are talking about so I think the priority should go to the more damaging factor to the community. The only real reason not to want it, is if your one of those that frequently leave battle.
All you're going to do with this is unnecessarily punish people who actually play the game. People are going to leave no matter what and a collateral is not going to stop them. You will not stop this by punishing players, you will only stop it by encouraging them to stay in the first place.
Aeon Amadi for CPM 2
Design A SKIN 2
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Dreis Shadowweaver
Corrosive Synergy No Context
6
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Posted - 2015.08.01 22:23:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Brand new players start with only 25K, so I don't see how this would work. There should be a point set where this actually takes place to be effective. New players won't really leave matches as they want to learn the game. It's just us old people (not really I'm 15) who leave/rage quit. Maybe at 5m sp? WTF, you're younger than me.
I didn't think anyone was younger than me...
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Mejt0
Dead Man's Game
2
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Posted - 2015.08.01 22:56:00 -
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What Aeon said. People are gonna leave as long as nothing encourage them to stay and fight.
If you make an alt and play two or three games, you will realize how bad the situation is for not experienced folks.
Loyal to The State
Official Caldari Commando User
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Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y
864
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Posted - 2015.08.01 23:17:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Mortishai Belmont wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Mortishai Belmont wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:My response to this is the same as it always is to the topic of people leaving matches:
Carrot. Not the stick. This method uses both, thus, twice as effective. Sure. Until the power goes out. Or you get disconnected because of an internal error. Or because a member of your squad didn't deploy with you. Or because of Scotty. Multitude of reasons why collateral for pub matches is a terrible idea. Squads have been reduced to limit the amount of people that can D/C Also, what do you think still happens when the enemy is paired up forthe squad thats backing out to pick up there guy? It will be unbalanced. i you D/C in a match you usually lose your suit anyway, so your still losing isk in reality. Scotty wouldn't be an issue because I'm talking about battle deployment, beyond the waiting screen. The biggest problem is that people are leaving, not those issues which you are talking about so I think the priority should go to the more damaging factor to the community. The only real reason not to want it, is if your one of those that frequently leave battle. All you're going to do with this is unnecessarily punish people who actually play the game. People are going to leave no matter what and a collateral is not going to stop them. You will not stop this by punishing players, you will only stop it by encouraging them to stay in the first place.
People want easy wins and not to die. How do you suggest that gets solved?
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(~..)~ Now on Youtube ~(..~)
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TIGER SHARK1501
Savage Bullet RUST415
317
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Posted - 2015.08.02 01:29:00 -
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Mortishai Belmont wrote:Everyone who gets into the match has to deposit 100k .
They get the 100k back at the end of the game if they stayed.
Their 100k goes to who ever is left at the end of the match if they leave, thus rewarding the people who stuck through the game.
What do you guys think? o: I just think for every additional person that leaves, everyone on the team gets paid more. Additional pay for an undermanned team that wins. |
Aeon Amadi
Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback
11
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Posted - 2015.08.02 02:01:00 -
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Mortishai Belmont wrote: People want easy wins and not to die. How do you suggest that gets solved?
Players want the prospect of a win.
When I join a match and my team is down 30+ clones, redlined, with significantly less players (anything more than three) than the enemy team; I'm not going to stay. Sorry, but there is no way in hell to turn that match around.
Players need an incentive to think, "Hell, I'll stay, maybe we can win this" and actually push for it. A good start would be either doing away with the MCC turret or making it so that your team does more damage - faster - to the enemy MCC when you have all the null cannons on the map. This would speed along redline matches but at the same time allow the redlined team an opportunity to turn it around by getting all the null cannons.
Once you get to a certain point (about 50% armor) there is absolutely no reason to push anymore for a win unless the enemy's MCC is already close to 50% armor because the MCC turret will still cause enough damage to weasel a victory. That means that a lot of the incentive to push goes away entirely.
We also need to re-evaluate the rewards for winning with something a bit more dynamic: If the match is a total freaggin write off and you redline them in the first three minutes, you should absolutely not get nearly as much ISK as you would having to fight for it. This is usually the case when considering battlefield ISK values and losses but not always.
Tiercide is another big factor in this. If we never even started with this Std/Adv/Proto bullshit in the first place, "protostomping" would have never been a thing.
Aeon Amadi for CPM 2
Design A SKIN 2
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DiablosMajora
254
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Posted - 2015.08.02 03:47:00 -
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Encourage communication and organized squad gameplay by introducing "secondary" objectives for up to four 4-man squads?
LoL does something like this with having players assigned to lanes. Players can leave their lanes to help other lanes or gank, at the cost of leaving their own open to attack. The goal is still to win by destroying the enemy nexus.
What if we tossed in a little extra structure by implementing secondary objectives, such as: 1) control this terminal to reinforce a normal objective with turret installations, 2) destroy (or hack) marked cru/supply depot on the UI in enemy territory, 3) defend your own cru/supply depot cause it's being hacked/there are enemies nearby. The main change would need to be a clear and concise way of relating this information to players that wouldn't take much coding. I feel that any such information currently displayed is far too subtle in nature... ("Enemy hacking Supply Depot" onscreen and the like).
Planetside 2 has a simple method of doing this and I think we could adopt a similar thing using our current Attack/Defend orders, but making them done automatically. Thus, instead of players running around like ants with a "what do I do now?" mentality and generally being useless for their team, the flow of battle becomes more streamlimed and fluid.
Prepare your angus
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
2
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Posted - 2015.08.02 04:11:00 -
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Mortishai Belmont wrote:Everyone who gets into the match has to deposit 100k .
They get the 100k back at the end of the game if they stayed.
Their 100k goes to who ever is left at the end of the match if they leave, thus rewarding the people who stuck through the game.
What do you guys think? o:
This is a very good suggestion (saw it before as well somewhere).
The problem which will come up would be the new players getting stuck - but that's no problem as juniors below certain level could have gradually less / zero deposit required.
Or, at larger scale, ccp could set it that that type of payment could take you to negative isk. (remember, usually that would be just a temporary thing)
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