Yea I think this could be as simple as a HUD fix showing both wounded dude and the medic readouts. That way they guy missing a leg knows medic is on route or at least near and the medic can go find said missing leg.

Also Kor making the Logistic suit the only one with this Hud readout would be kinda cool cos atm its a bit of a lame suit for the SP and isk cost.

I completely agree. Right now I have an idea for a suit that will potential cost me about 80k per death. Knowing that I had unique abilities to revive and help out my fellow mercs would make it more appealing. Cuss right now I could have the general same set up with an Assault suit and be more offensive.

I'm sure most people just respawn because they arn't aware you can be revived

Yea as long as you scream for it over coms and give very good directions to the medic so he can find you but you normaly bleed out b4 we get there. Even in my scout class I have only ever made it to one guy that asked for it on coms.

Defo needs some work. There has to be a really simple way (Coding wise) that wouldnt be too much haslte for the devs to sort this.
We just need a simple elegant solution.

It needs to be unlinked from you trying to respawn.
While you're in the menu, while you're choosing a dropsuit, and while you're in the 10 second spawn timer - you should still be revivable in game.

So we have so far:

Extended bleedout time.
Simple and easy to code i guess.

HUD for the medic/logistics suit and the wounded showing each others locations.
More work for dev's but will have a massive impact making Nanite injectors viable

Nanite grenade
Just throwing this one in. It could AOE revive but with no shields and maybe a few pixels of armor.

Letting everyone thats not a noob and actualy turns coms on know that you have a nanite injector equiped.
Means that maybe one or two guys know you have them but they die anyway cos timers are so short meaning they watse 2 x as long out of the fight waiting for a fail medic thats lost on the otherside of a mountain and cant read a map let alone know which way is north.

[quote=Sha Kharn Clone]So we have so far:
That way a Logistic suit would get the notice via their suit that "Sha Kharn" is dying and their "Life Support Request Signal" was located on the map with an icon. It would also allow other players to know that they could indeed be revived and all they have to do is request and wait. Also if you allow a timer on the downed suit they could advise via comms that they have X amount of time to get there. We could call it "Life Support Timer" which would indicate how much time they have until being revived is no longer an option and they just Auto Release.

Could even have a sort of Mass Effect multiplayer add where the downed player can press a certain button to keep himself alive for an extra period of time. The Default timer could be so long and the longer he continues to keep himself alive the faster the timer goes down.

Also it would be a good tactic for the chance to down a soldier and wait for a logistic dropsuit to come by to revive, then put two in the guy and start working on the medic.

This was a HUGE problem in mag the first... 6-8 months of the game (actually all 2.5 years but whatevs)
It comes down to knowledge.

Players need to know that:
1: its possible to be picked up by teamates so they don't jsut bleedout.
2: someone close by can actually heal them, so they don't give up/lose hope that its going to happen.
3: how long it will be until they are automatically bled out so they know its still worth hanging on.

When they are knocked down, there needs to be an indicator that follows close by medics. Since you can't look around much while down, a moving icon on the screen that follows close by medics is VITAL. Even if you have never heard of a nanite injector... you know a big red cross means MEDIC.

You also need to make sure whatever training is there, it is brought up clearly to not bleedout... as well.... loadign screens should have important "tips" I know they are annoying to read every time... especially once you've put 100 hours nito the game... but new players are always going to be joining, especially in a f2p game.

a good solution would be to make the spawn timer of 10 seconds start from the moment the player goes down..

I bleed out without even thinking about it now because no one has ever tried saving me.

Some things about revives you may not know :

- Headshots, melee, explosives, vehicle weapons, forge guns all render someone unrevivable
- Shooting someone 'downed' in the head a couple times will force bleedout.
- You only get points for reviving the same person once, in the same life. If they die and actually respawn, you can get points for them again.
- Downed people show up on the HUD as a solid triangle, similar to the dropship icon.
- Revived players get revived with very low armor and no shields.
.

Now, to the above posts. Someone mentioned an AOE 'revive grenade'. This is a terrible idea. Revives are bad enough as it is. Making it unncessary for people to put themselves in danger to revive makes it broken and defeats the point of the nanite injector having a 3-4 second animation.

People need to realize that there is no classes in dust. There is no specific 'medics'. Anyone can use pretty much anything in Dust, even if it boggles the mind as to why. Nanite Injectors are not even the primary 'healing' option. They are an 'oops' button that cheapens death. You want to play a medic? Pick up a repair tool. If you do your job well, you can turn anyone into a juggernaut.

Yes, the battlefield medic needs an easier time reviving wounded. Otherwise why even have nanite injectors that you won't be able to use.

Medics... stay at pack :)
Lonely wolfes always die alone... (atacking or ambushed). Medics dont run in places like this. To easy targest and packs need more care.

So:
- 'indicator' that you want can be local only (maybe grow up with skill).
- beter idea is that 'budy' can take your body away from 'heavy fire' to another calm place where medic can do magic...
- 'crazy' idea nr 3:) - make ambulance module at dropships or buggies... they are fast, can carry corpses (sorry dropsuits) and can sustain heavy fire.

A lot of work :)

Yes, the battlefield medic needs an easier time reviving wounded. Otherwise why even have nanite injectors that you won't be able to use.

See Nova plenty others think it needs some work.

Is this why you use a dropship all the time dont like seeing peeps come back to life ?

I've had plenty of success as a medic not being a ***** and hiding behind the front line. Some of my most rewarding work has been setting up mini bases and moving the front line up to an objective that we take because I have drop uplinks, nanohives and me reviving people right on an objective.

ya the biggest issue with this is not that they injectors suck it is that every player just re spawns because they cannot see a logi on the map and have no idea there are any around.

As a logistics player I must point out that, as others have mentioned, the human aspect that causes the nanite injectors to not be useful.

Players, particularly those who spent years playing first person shooters, have been conditioned for a long time to get use to giving up so quickly when they bleed out. Of course, some do train themselves to rely on medics to back them up, but I have my doubts about how often to run into them.

I have played games like Call of Duty and Battlefield for years and almost every time I am bleeding out I never see anyone try to rescue me. Very rarely do I see them come and help. Even if they are available, there are just too few of them and too many of us bleeding soldiers to tend to. So I just learned to give up on the bleed out and just hit "respawn".

However, when DUST 514 came out in Beta, I decided that now is the time to set the example and encourage players to stay alive as long as possible for the medics and try to stick together with the logistics merc. This is because DUST 514 will be primarily team driven if you wish to fight in epic battles that will tip the balance of power in Eve Online.

In Eve Online, the logistics ships are given strict orders from the fleet commander to only repair key ships in the heat of a battle as they use a tactic known as "spider tanking" to help each other out in case they are attacked by a squad of ships that plan on destroying the logis.

As a result of such a team-driven climate, those players that have gotten use to just hitting "respawn" rather than wait for a medic to revive them or logistics guy to help repair their damaged tank will soon learn to appreciate the importance of having such a player in their team and how important it will be to communicate and at least wait for them to come to the rescue (assuming they haven't been critically injured - at that point, you can't be saved).

Until players learn to appreciate the need to work together, quit the lone-wolf BS, and stop giving up to easily on the bleed out, the logistics will always be regarded as an under-appreciated profession.

Prob is all my lot are on mumble together but we are always split across the teams so every time I get directions to a wounded corpie some other wanker in my corp is waiting for me. Guess we gona have to swich to ingame fail coms once the battle starts but this takes away from being able to troll your buddys when you facerape them.
In game coms is soo bad tho and after a few hours you feel like your the one needing a medic.

Hey Sha Karn. I heard you on comms once. I don't have a mic but I heard you complaining about me kill stealing.. haha. Hope to see you in-game more, as you're a good person to follow around and get easy kills.. Cheers.

All you need is a simple icon above the body of the injured and show it on the map should be easy to implement problem of where they are solved.

Well Nova Knife said wounded are shown as a triangle or some thing which is fail cos no doubt when the medic gets there he finds a dropship with a pilot going "nah im fine bro now take that needle away from me k)

Yep wut cantus said.

BTW spider tanking the tanks works well we found. Well untill some noob gets stuck on a wall and you all get stuck.

Thanks for this very helpful from now on I will be finishing everyone off that i see. Also will be hunting about for triangles \o/



Yes its one of my more ******** ideas





Yes I think we all know there are no classes but that dont stop peeps trying to fill a specific role much like in eve. Also where the hell are these repair tools cos i dont see none no sir i dont humph. Maybe in the next build I guess.

Still peeps bleed out too quick and the respawn timer is a major issue.

Sadface cos i spent all my aurm on dancing girls no logistics for me.

Well its good to see so many wanting some medics behind em perhaps the devs can make it a little better.

People need to realize that there is no classes in dust. There is no specific 'medics'. Anyone can use pretty much anything in Dust, even if it boggles the mind as to why. Nanite Injectors are not even the primary 'healing' option. They are an 'oops' button that cheapens death. You want to play a medic? Pick up a repair tool. If you do your job well, you can turn anyone into a juggernaut.

The only time I was revived was followed by death in a split second. I don't know that you are revived at full or reduced life or if the medic simply had weak injectors, that is if better injectors allow revives at more to full health.

I feel they need 4 things to make medics viable.

1. down mercs need to be bale to look around while they are in the bleeding out stage. This way they can look around for a medic.
2. while mercs are in bleeding out stage they can see all players who have nanite injectors and how far away they are. ( kinda how the game that shall not be named did it) so you know if it's worth waiting for a revive
3. Allow medics to see who is down with an icon different from other icons. Like cross or square, basically something different than what a tank or dropship shows up as.
4. A respawn button ( O ) and then a second option to call for a medic so right off the bat players know they can actually be revived.

I'm sure most people just respawn because they arn't aware you can be revived