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BARAGAMOS
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
140
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Posted - 2015.07.29 15:26:00 -
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Which is it?
The Biotic family has been broken for way too long now. It was cute for a couple weeks, but now OHKs from flying commandos has worn out the novelty. Same for guys with shotguns clearing 80 meters in two jumps.
Honestly Ratatti are you guys just so bad at your job you can't hot fix the myos at least? That is assuming you are not stupid enough to think that the player base you built up secretly want to play HALO. Having cover and terrain completely negated by builds that can close on you before they are even red dots on your scanner then OHK you with a shotty or melee is something I really hope is a bug and you get off your lazy or incompetent ass and fix. No excuse for this to have gone on as long as it has. Over half of the players in Pubs now are flying commandos etc. Like is said cute for a couple days, but most of us are over it. How about you grow some balls and at least address the issue in writing here. |
Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
11
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Posted - 2015.07.29 15:31:00 -
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Nothing to hotfix when CCP believes the current myofib behavior is working as intended.
@Ripley_Riley CPM2 candidate. Ripley.Riley on Skype!
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BARAGAMOS
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
141
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Posted - 2015.07.29 15:37:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Nothing to hotfix when CCP believes the current myofib behavior is working as intended.
Considering that the Stacking penalty is not applying kid its wishful thinking on your part. So its not working as intended. Read the item then post please. Jump suit fan boys need not reply. |
Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
Learning Alliance
6
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Posted - 2015.07.29 15:41:00 -
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Just get used to shooting them out of the air. It is not like they can strafe while falling. They have a fairly predictable flight path. 
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
11
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Posted - 2015.07.29 15:45:00 -
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BARAGAMOS wrote:Considering that the Stacking penalty is not applying kid its wishful thinking on your part. So its not working as intended. Read the item then post please. Jump suit fan boys need not reply. I'm not a myofib fanboy... please see here.
The stacking penalty issue was addressed by limiting myofibs to at max 3 per fitting. CCP Rattati doesn't believe they deserve any more of a nerf.
I don't like myofibs either, cupcake. I just know they are loved by Rattati so they aren't going anywhere anytime soon. Your best best is to fit a projectile weapon because they do well vs. armor (the only tank a myofibber can fit) and hope your gun game is on point.
@Ripley_Riley CPM2 candidate. Ripley.Riley on Skype!
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ROMULUS H3X
research lab
607
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Posted - 2015.07.29 15:47:00 -
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BARAGAMOS wrote:Which is it?
The Biotic family has been broken for way too long now. It was cute for a couple weeks, but now OHKs from flying commandos has worn out the novelty. Same for guys with shotguns clearing 80 meters in two jumps.
Honestly Ratatti are you guys just so bad at your job you can't hot fix the myos at least? That is assuming you are not stupid enough to think that the player base you built up secretly want to play HALO. Having cover and terrain completely negated by builds that can close on you before they are even red dots on your scanner then OHK you with a shotty or melee is something I really hope is a bug and you get off your lazy or incompetent ass and fix. No excuse for this to have gone on as long as it has. Over half of the players in Pubs now are flying commandos etc. Like is said cute for a couple days, but most of us are over it. How about you grow some balls and at least address the issue in writing here.
Lol 80 meters in 2 jumps.... keep dreaming
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BARAGAMOS
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
143
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Posted - 2015.07.29 15:47:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Just get used to shooting them out of the air. It is not like they can strafe while falling. They have a fairly predictable flight path.
Another inane answer. Come on guys "shoot them out of the air". That's an original thought. It helps when they are not on a roof out of view, jumping from behind you over a wall, jumping faster than your reticle trains, or closing a 40 meter gap in less than one second. The issue it that the myos are not applying a they should., and the maps are not designed to handle players who can jump buildings. This is a developer issue not a change playstyle issue. |
Crimson ShieId
Horizons' Edge
No Context
2
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Posted - 2015.07.29 15:47:00 -
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I wish I could find the server or game in which half the players are running melee/jump fits. Maybe the game would prove entertaining at that point and would actually be worth playing for more than one game a day. 
What? Am I mad? Why do you ask?
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BARAGAMOS
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
143
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Posted - 2015.07.29 15:50:00 -
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ROMULUS H3X wrote:BARAGAMOS wrote:Which is it?
The Biotic family has been broken for way too long now. It was cute for a couple weeks, but now OHKs from flying commandos has worn out the novelty. Same for guys with shotguns clearing 80 meters in two jumps.
Honestly Ratatti are you guys just so bad at your job you can't hot fix the myos at least? That is assuming you are not stupid enough to think that the player base you built up secretly want to play HALO. Having cover and terrain completely negated by builds that can close on you before they are even red dots on your scanner then OHK you with a shotty or melee is something I really hope is a bug and you get off your lazy or incompetent ass and fix. No excuse for this to have gone on as long as it has. Over half of the players in Pubs now are flying commandos etc. Like is said cute for a couple days, but most of us are over it. How about you grow some balls and at least address the issue in writing here. Lol 80 meters in 2 jumps.... keep dreaming
It is not a dream. Its a reality. Join Pubs and aim your reticle at a jumping scout moving full speed and it takes 2 jumps to bring them into shotty range for 80 meters out. So rather you like it or not it is the reality. |
BARAGAMOS
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
143
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Posted - 2015.07.29 15:51:00 -
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Crimson ShieId wrote:I wish I could find the server or game in which half the players are running melee/jump fits. Maybe the game would prove entertaining at that point and would actually be worth playing for more than one game a day.
Join Pubs anytime after 8. Pretty much every game over half of each team are commandos...most of them flying. For the 2 minutes the games last any before one side redlines the other. |
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Sergeant Sazu
Mantodea MC
753
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Posted - 2015.07.29 15:52:00 -
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Gosh, I've been doing it wrong this entire time.
If I want to convince Rattati of something, I should throw a tantrum, hurl insults at him, and be a presumptuous and condescending prick to anyone that posts in my thread.
Thank you for your wise teachings, Sir Baragamos. This will surely set Rattati straight.
*Rolls eyes*
[66.7m SP]
Sazu's Trading
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BARAGAMOS
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
143
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Posted - 2015.07.29 15:54:00 -
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Sergeant Sazu wrote:Gosh, I've been doing it wrong this entire time.
If I want to convince Rattati of something, I should throw a tantrum, hurl insults at him, and be a presumptuous and condescending prick to anyone that posts in my thread.
Thank you for your wise teachings, Sir Baragamos. This will surely set Rattati straight.
*Rolls eyes*
You mean like this post just did? What a dumbass. Go troll the children's boards please. This is not condescending at all. Get some education so you can tell the difference, and if you want to be fan boy go start your own post on the ways you like to suck CCP ****. Otherwise keep to the topic at hand or don' post kid. |
Crimson ShieId
Horizons' Edge
No Context
2
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Posted - 2015.07.29 15:56:00 -
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BARAGAMOS wrote:Crimson ShieId wrote:I wish I could find the server or game in which half the players are running melee/jump fits. Maybe the game would prove entertaining at that point and would actually be worth playing for more than one game a day. Join Pubs anytime after 8. Pretty much every game over half of each team are commandos...most of them flying. For the 2 minutes the games last any before one side redlines the other.
I have been. I'm lucky to spot maybe two to three of these guys a game, the rest are either militia suits or the average run of the mill proto gear associated with the usual pub stomp. Aside from myself, I think I've only seen maybe two other commandos jumping, which is surprising given the melee damage...
What? Am I mad? Why do you ask?
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Talos Vagheitan
Ancient Exiles.
2
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Posted - 2015.07.29 15:56:00 -
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The immaturity/tantrum throwing makes it impossible to take this thread seriously.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
11
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Posted - 2015.07.29 15:59:00 -
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BARAGAMOS wrote:This is not condescending at all. Fascinating, sir! Do go on!
BARAGAMOS wrote:Get some education so you can tell the difference, and if you want to be fan boy go start your own post on the ways you like to suck CCP ****. Otherwise keep to the topic at hand or don' post kid WELL I NEVER! HMPH! 
@Ripley_Riley CPM2 candidate. Ripley.Riley on Skype!
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BARAGAMOS
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
143
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Posted - 2015.07.29 16:00:00 -
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Talos Vagheitan wrote:The immaturity/tantrum throwing makes it impossible to take this thread seriously.
Spoken like a true jump boy...
If you don't like the post then don't troll like a dumbass...
Bottom line is every match I'm in I see this and hear guys griping on the VC all day about it. Its rampant and the maps are not designed to handle the play style. So most of us want answers on the subject. |
Sergeant Sazu
Mantodea MC
754
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Posted - 2015.07.29 16:00:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:BARAGAMOS wrote:This is not condescending at all. Fascinating, sir! Do go on! BARAGAMOS wrote:Get some education so you can tell the difference, and if you want to be fan boy go start your own post on the ways you like to suck CCP ****. Otherwise keep to the topic at hand or don' post kid WELL I NEVER! HMPH!
I was about to break it down exactly like that. You beat me to it, good sir.
[66.7m SP]
Sazu's Trading
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BARAGAMOS
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
143
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Posted - 2015.07.29 16:02:00 -
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Sergeant Sazu wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:BARAGAMOS wrote:This is not condescending at all. Fascinating, sir! Do go on! BARAGAMOS wrote:Get some education so you can tell the difference, and if you want to be fan boy go start your own post on the ways you like to suck CCP ****. Otherwise keep to the topic at hand or don' post kid WELL I NEVER! HMPH! I was about to break it down exactly like that. You beat me to it, good sir.
That post was condescending. The original one is not...good job picking that up.
So how about we stick to the topic. |
Sergeant Sazu
Mantodea MC
754
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Posted - 2015.07.29 16:03:00 -
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BARAGAMOS wrote:Sergeant Sazu wrote:Gosh, I've been doing it wrong this entire time.
If I want to convince Rattati of something, I should throw a tantrum, hurl insults at him, and be a presumptuous and condescending prick to anyone that posts in my thread.
Thank you for your wise teachings, Sir Baragamos. This will surely set Rattati straight.
*Rolls eyes* You mean like this post just did? What a dumbass. Go troll the children's boards please. This is not condescending at all. Get some education so you can tell the difference, and if you want to be fan boy go start your own post on the ways you like to suck CCP ****. Otherwise keep to the topic at hand or don' post kid.
Mission: Troll that guy I don't like
Status: 100% success. Bait taken. Much ranting received. More assumptions made.
My point still stands, however. I also dislike jumpy people, and you're accomplishing nothing by verbally flipping tables, AKA inflammatory ranting.
[66.7m SP]
Sazu's Trading
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
Learning Alliance
6
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Posted - 2015.07.29 16:04:00 -
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BARAGAMOS wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:Just get used to shooting them out of the air. It is not like they can strafe while falling. They have a fairly predictable flight path. Another inane answer. Come on guys "shoot them out of the air". That's an original thought. It helps when they are not on a roof out of view, jumping from behind you over a wall, jumping faster than your reticle trains, or closing a 40 meter gap in less than one second. The issue it that the myos are not applying a they should., and the maps are not designed to handle players who can jump buildings. This is a developer issue not a change playstyle issue.
It seems you are having more of an issue with it than I am. I had trouble with jumpers when the change was first made, but now I am doing much better against them.
1) Spot jumper.
2) Sidestep ball of plasma (easier because you know it is coming before they shoot)
3) Shoot at their body and track with their relatively slow horizontal drift while they fall through your line of fire giving you a head-shot.
4) If Scout, watch hilarious rag doll. If Medium Frame, adjust aim to finish them.
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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BARAGAMOS
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
143
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Posted - 2015.07.29 16:06:00 -
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Sergeant Sazu wrote:BARAGAMOS wrote:Sergeant Sazu wrote:Gosh, I've been doing it wrong this entire time.
If I want to convince Rattati of something, I should throw a tantrum, hurl insults at him, and be a presumptuous and condescending prick to anyone that posts in my thread.
Thank you for your wise teachings, Sir Baragamos. This will surely set Rattati straight.
*Rolls eyes* You mean like this post just did? What a dumbass. Go troll the children's boards please. This is not condescending at all. Get some education so you can tell the difference, and if you want to be fan boy go start your own post on the ways you like to suck CCP ****. Otherwise keep to the topic at hand or don' post kid. Mission: Troll that guy I don't like Status: 100% success. Bait taken. Much ranting received. More assumptions made. My point still stands, however. I also dislike jumpy people, and you're accomplishing nothing by verbally flipping tables, AKA inflammatory ranting.
Then they the following as a post:
I also don't like jumpy guys......
Without all the other wasted typing. |
Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y
822
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Posted - 2015.07.29 16:08:00 -
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If you have good aim, you should be able to kill them easily.
They move through the air at a slower pace then they can run, it's basically like shooting at a balloon.
The C.EO. of G.L.O.R.Y,
(~..)~ Now on Youtube ~(..~)
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
11
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Posted - 2015.07.29 16:11:00 -
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Trouble is, Mortishai, while they are flying they can be raining MD rounds down on you while you try to get a bead on them. It's not quite as simple as "Just kill them in the air". OP is a gagagoogoo baby troll, but the core issue he is having shouldn't be dismissed. Myofibs are broken and need a jump height reduction.
@Ripley_Riley CPM2 candidate. Ripley.Riley on Skype!
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Sergeant Sazu
Mantodea MC
754
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Posted - 2015.07.29 16:12:00 -
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BARAGAMOS wrote:Then they the following as a post:
I also don't like jumpy guys......
Without all the other wasted typing.
I shall repeat for emphasis.
Sergeant Sazu wrote:you're accomplishing nothing by verbally flipping tables, AKA inflammatory ranting.
That was my purpose for entering this thread. It's not all about taking sides, dude.
[66.7m SP]
Sazu's Trading
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Sergeant Sazu
Mantodea MC
754
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Posted - 2015.07.29 16:16:00 -
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Mortishai Belmont wrote:If you have good aim, you should be able to kill them easily.
If you're using a mouse/keyboard with sensitivity maxed out*
It's pretty dang hard to fight them up close. They can simply remove themselves from my reticule every 2-3 seconds while maintaining a steady DPS with their splash weapon.
[66.7m SP]
Sazu's Trading
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BARAGAMOS
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
143
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Posted - 2015.07.29 16:20:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:BARAGAMOS wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:Just get used to shooting them out of the air. It is not like they can strafe while falling. They have a fairly predictable flight path. Another inane answer. Come on guys "shoot them out of the air". That's an original thought. It helps when they are not on a roof out of view, jumping from behind you over a wall, jumping faster than your reticle trains, or closing a 40 meter gap in less than one second. The issue it that the myos are not applying a they should., and the maps are not designed to handle players who can jump buildings. This is a developer issue not a change playstyle issue. It seems you are having more of an issue with it than I am. I had trouble with jumpers when the change was first made, but now I am doing much better against them. 1) Spot jumper. 2) Sidestep ball of plasma (easier because you know it is coming before they shoot) 3) Shoot at their body and track with their relatively slow horizontal drift while they fall through your line of fire giving you a head-shot. 4) If Scout, watch hilarious rag doll. If Medium Frame, adjust aim to finish them.
Fallacy #1 Spot jumper.
Its real easy if you have eyes all around your head. You don't. If you are lucky they are bad and come from the front or slowly so you can detect them. Maybe even a squadmate sees them, but in general when they jump over a wall right beside you there is nothing you can do about it. Remember, that if you have 70 million SP or all proto tanked its easier to do something about it. At low SP you have no counter play, and you cant even run the same fit to counter it.
Fallacy #2 Sidestep plasma
Most aren't even bothering to run the plasma or MD. Its shotty and melee. Not side stepping that. Those that do plasma spam tend to shoot you from the back after you smoke them the first couple times (as that seems to be the weakest builds).
Fallacy #3 Shoot form a distance....
They are not in open country. They are camping building. You have to be 40 meters back for this to work, and that means you are not taking an objective. When they jump on top of you in the city you don't have the luxury of just aiming at your leisure.
Fallacy #4 Suit size
Seems to commandos these days that are the most common so no cool rag dolling. Except when the MD your face....
We all kill them everyday, That is not the point. The point is the mechanic is not applying the stacking penalties as needed and allowing guys to move around maps in ways that they were not designed to handle. Go put on a militia or basic fit on an alt with low SP and see how much you like the difference. Its much easier when you are geared up and high SP to ignore the issue. New characters already get grindered, but usually they can see guy shooting them coming down a corridor. When some guy jumps into your scan range 1/4 of second before he OHKs you it does not feel like you have opportunity to counter play them... because you don't. |
Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
2
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Posted - 2015.07.29 16:26:00 -
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Hold on, changing tear buckets.
Dear thread, thanks for teaching me Eugenics wouldn't have been that bad.
'As salty as salt can get.' how I describe the dust player base.
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Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y
823
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Posted - 2015.07.29 16:28:00 -
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Sergeant Sazu wrote:Mortishai Belmont wrote:If you have good aim, you should be able to kill them easily. If you're using a mouse/keyboard with sensitivity maxed out* It's pretty dang hard to fight them up close. They can simply remove themselves from my reticule every 2-3 seconds while maintaining a steady DPS with their splash weapon.
I have a controller and I do just fine keeping a bead on them and killing them o.O
It's simple, they jump at you, you run to where they were while turning around. They just straight up or away, you back away and aim at them. It's not like they can float above your head, they have to have a trajectory you know.
The C.EO. of G.L.O.R.Y,
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Vesta Opalus
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
940
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Posted - 2015.07.29 16:28:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Nothing to hotfix when CCP believes the current myofib behavior is working as intended.
Im not sure it is working as intended, from what Ive read they put the jump bonus in as an aid to mobility (getting on ledges/crates/roofs/etc, but what people seem to primarily use it for is to abuse poor console reaction time by spamming it in head to head combat. With a mouse/keyboard control scheme this wouldnt be as much of an issue, but with slow analog stick traversal times its pretty much guaranteed to waste .5-1 second of even a good players time on target just from the huge velocity change of the player they are shooting at. Against normal run of the mill blueberries its absolutely impossible for them to go up against jump spammers, and thats why its being used so widely.
They need to make jumping less spammable while these modules are equipped, thats why Ive been advocating for a penalty to jump/mellee stamina cost (and possibly regen speed penalty) to be added to the myofibrils.
Of course my position assumes that myofibrils werent implemented to gain this kind of direct combat advantage (beyond what could be gained by exploiting rooftops and jumping-related mobility). Right now I think we have a kind of cloaking device situation here, where it was intended for increasing stealthyness and became a tool for direct slaying (that disproportionately affected bad players to boot), but if CCP actually intended this then... oh well. |
BARAGAMOS
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
143
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Posted - 2015.07.29 16:33:00 -
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Soldner VonKuechle wrote:Hold on, changing tear buckets.
Dear thread, thanks for teaching me Eugenics wouldn't have been that bad.
So assholes like you could not troll.. yeah that would be great.. So are you too stupid to stick he topic or just an all around *******? No one is even crying kid. Its an issue most players who aren't doing it want answered. |
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Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
2
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Posted - 2015.07.29 16:41:00 -
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BARAGAMOS wrote:Soldner VonKuechle wrote:Hold on, changing tear buckets.
Dear thread, thanks for teaching me Eugenics wouldn't have been that bad. So assholes like you could not troll.. yeah that would be great.. So are you too stupid to stick he topic or just an all around *******? No one is even crying kid. Its an issue most players who aren't doing it want answered. So stick to the topic or keep your mouth shut like a good kid.
Your concept of what constitutes crying appears to be vastly different than mine, and thats okay, its your opinion.
Kind of like everything else youve been stating here.
My opinion is to troll whats obviously a thread that will have little impact on balance because the general tone and shitweaslery present.
Keep on keepin on you ardent defender you.
'As salty as salt can get.' how I describe the dust player base.
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Vicious Minotaur
2
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Posted - 2015.07.29 16:52:00 -
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If your goal is to enact change, then you are "doing it wrong." Want to prove that Myofibrils and their current performance (intended or not) is detrimental to the game/ overpowered/ undesirable? Then guess what.... provide market data on myofibrils, do a cross analysis on multiple other modules, and provide a conclusion.
Also, a simple, but by no means comprehensive survey of myofibril fits and the amount of users on a per-match basis done over the course of approximately 3 days to a week would be beneficial to convincing the Developers to enact change.
Data and data interpretation is a great way to get the attention of the developers. You did none of that. So why the hell should CCP and the rest of the community take the vitriol you spew seriously?
I am a minotaur.
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BARAGAMOS
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
143
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Posted - 2015.07.29 17:05:00 -
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Vicious Minotaur wrote:If your goal is to enact change, then you are "doing it wrong." Want to prove that Myofibrils and their current performance (intended or not) is detrimental to the game/ overpowered/ undesirable? Then guess what.... provide market data on myofibrils, do a cross analysis on multiple other modules, and provide a conclusion.
Also, a simple, but by no means comprehensive survey of myofibril fits and the amount of users on a per-match basis done over the course of approximately 3 days to a week would be beneficial to convincing the Developers to enact change.
Data and data interpretation is a great way to get the attention of the developers. You did none of that. So why the hell should CCP and the rest of the community take the vitriol you spew seriously?
How about you take all that time kid.. All I have to do is log on to a Pub match. I love empirical information as well, but in this case anecdotal seems to be working pretty well. It does not take data to watch guys jump over entire buildings or punch for 1300+ damage. It's an obvious screw up they admitted to, but seem to either be fine with now or unable to change. Like I said earlier, if you want new players in the community having them die double digit times to guys they cant even see coming is not the answer. They can't even run the same set ups for months after they start as it takes millions of SP to run the suit and the biotics.
Besides, I was not aware so many on here answered for CCP...yourself included.
Its not meant to be a discussion with forum trolls. Its meant to get an honest answer about if the future of the game is HALO or a Strategic FPS. Because, lots of guys are looking for other ways to spend their time already, and the longer this keeps up the more older guys leave because its not the way they want to play the game. Then with no new guys replacing them because they quit after getting MD spammed for three games or Punched to death 10 times....well you get the point. Hopefully without a spread sheet. |
deezy dabest
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
2
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Posted - 2015.07.29 18:15:00 -
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I do find it a bit funny that we get told Dust should be a tactical shooter meanwhile we have flying wombats or knock a hole in your head.
Remove NPC orbitals from FW. -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest.
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Alena Ventrallis
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2015.07.29 18:19:00 -
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If only humans could predict where things land! Oh woe is us! We have no ability to aim where they are going to land! We can't even track them while they are in the air since they can't change directions once airborne! Oh consternation, uproar!
Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind.
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deezy dabest
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
2
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Posted - 2015.07.29 18:24:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:If only humans could predict where things land! Oh woe is us! We have no ability to aim where they are going to land! We can't even track them while they are in the air since they can't change directions once airborne! Oh consternation, uproar!
Aim where they are going to land all you want. They become even more of a joke when you hand them a plasma cannon meaning by the time you adjust to track their flight you have been one shot killed by idiotic design. A/V weapons versus infantry was formerly the worst idea of all. The new winner is flying infantry with A/V that insta kills you and if he misses he can just one punch KO you.
Remove NPC orbitals from FW. -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest.
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Posted - 2015.07.29 18:38:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Nothing to hotfix when CCP believes the current myofib behavior is working as intended.
Yeah, sort of like how Downs Syndrome works as intended.
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Aeon Amadi
Negative-Feedback.
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Posted - 2015.07.29 19:37:00 -
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By all rights it is working as intended. Three Complex Myros were designed to allow a player to get on top of a large crate and they do exactly that. They're not hard to counter as they have a pre-set path with which they're going to follow once they jump and there is nothing they can do to change that, unlike strafing. They can't use this ability in doors, either, so that effectively negates a -huge- portion of the map to them, in particular around many inside objectives.
And if they're close enough to use melee, then I'm of the volition that they kinda deserve to have high damage melee strikes considering that is what their fit is designed to do. It is not much different than a CalMando with a Sniper Rifle with stacked complex damage mods.
But further more you know for a genuine fact that they have had to sacrifice Shield HP or Weapon Damage in order to get that benefit, so countering with long-range anti-armor weaponry is your best bet and speaking from experience it is incredibly effective.
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Vesta Opalus
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.07.29 20:10:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:They can't use this ability in doors, either, so that effectively negates a -huge- portion of the map to them, in particular around many inside objectives.
Not entirely true, depending on ceiling height it might actually be BETTER indoors for direct head to head combat, since they get dramatic velocity changes both at the start and halfway through the jump, instead of being committed to a long sailing jump arc.
Aeon Amadi wrote:But further more you know for a genuine fact that they have had to sacrifice Shield HP or Weapon Damage in order to get that benefit, so countering with long-range anti-armor weaponry is your best bet and speaking from experience it is incredibly effective.
Not sure this is a really effective argument since myofibrils represent an increase in both how dangerous a dropsuit is (via one shot mellee attacks) and how survivable it is (via grasshopper tactics). If you trade damage for damage, and/or survivability for survivability, its not a sacrifice, nothing has been lost. Its like the people back in the scout slayer era saying dampeners required a sacrifice in health... well, not really, if you look at health as survivability instead of just a raw HP number, dampeners clearly represented a much better return on investment in terms of survivability, otherwise we wouldnt have seen scouts use them in such numbers.
The same thing is playing out with the myofibrils.
I dont think they are horrendously overpowered like some people seem to, but they are a module that really dumps on noobs and I dont think they are being used as intended (currently they are being used overwhelmingly as an exploit in head to head combat instead of as an aid to mobility and positioning), so I'd like to see them tweaked a bit. |
ROMULUS H3X
research lab
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Posted - 2015.07.29 22:01:00 -
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BARAGAMOS wrote:ROMULUS H3X wrote:BARAGAMOS wrote:Which is it?
The Biotic family has been broken for way too long now. It was cute for a couple weeks, but now OHKs from flying commandos has worn out the novelty. Same for guys with shotguns clearing 80 meters in two jumps.
Honestly Ratatti are you guys just so bad at your job you can't hot fix the myos at least? That is assuming you are not stupid enough to think that the player base you built up secretly want to play HALO. Having cover and terrain completely negated by builds that can close on you before they are even red dots on your scanner then OHK you with a shotty or melee is something I really hope is a bug and you get off your lazy or incompetent ass and fix. No excuse for this to have gone on as long as it has. Over half of the players in Pubs now are flying commandos etc. Like is said cute for a couple days, but most of us are over it. How about you grow some balls and at least address the issue in writing here. Lol 80 meters in 2 jumps.... keep dreaming It is not a dream. Its a reality. Join Pubs and aim your reticle at a jumping scout moving full speed and it takes 2 jumps to bring them into shotty range for 80 meters out. So rather you like it or not it is the reality.
I see you like to make up anecdotes to try and prove a point..
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BARAGAMOS
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
146
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Posted - 2015.07.29 22:10:00 -
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ROMULUS H3X wrote:BARAGAMOS wrote:ROMULUS H3X wrote:BARAGAMOS wrote:Which is it?
The Biotic family has been broken for way too long now. It was cute for a couple weeks, but now OHKs from flying commandos has worn out the novelty. Same for guys with shotguns clearing 80 meters in two jumps.
Honestly Ratatti are you guys just so bad at your job you can't hot fix the myos at least? That is assuming you are not stupid enough to think that the player base you built up secretly want to play HALO. Having cover and terrain completely negated by builds that can close on you before they are even red dots on your scanner then OHK you with a shotty or melee is something I really hope is a bug and you get off your lazy or incompetent ass and fix. No excuse for this to have gone on as long as it has. Over half of the players in Pubs now are flying commandos etc. Like is said cute for a couple days, but most of us are over it. How about you grow some balls and at least address the issue in writing here. Lol 80 meters in 2 jumps.... keep dreaming It is not a dream. Its a reality. Join Pubs and aim your reticle at a jumping scout moving full speed and it takes 2 jumps to bring them into shotty range for 80 meters out. So rather you like it or not it is the reality. I see you like to make up anecdotes to try and prove a point..
For the record my uneducated friend, asking you to log on and see for yourself is not anecdotal. Look it up. The dictionary is a powerful tool. It would be if I asked you to rely only on my experience. What I am asking you to do is experiential learning. Learn to argue, I'm sure the local community college probably has a course in logic.
Even better just myo up your own scout and try it. Start running then aim your reticle at something 80 meters away then jump twice. If you are maxed at protos you will usually pass it and it is definitely within shotty range. It helps if you actually try something before you spew ignorance. Now after you prove yourself wrong please refrain from posting anymore trolly BS. |
SLENDER M4N
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Posted - 2015.07.29 22:15:00 -
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Apparently Dust is serious bidnuss 
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Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.07.29 22:15:00 -
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BARAGAMOS wrote:ROMULUS H3X wrote:BARAGAMOS wrote:ROMULUS H3X wrote:BARAGAMOS wrote:Which is it?
The Biotic family has been broken for way too long now. It was cute for a couple weeks, but now OHKs from flying commandos has worn out the novelty. Same for guys with shotguns clearing 80 meters in two jumps.
Honestly Ratatti are you guys just so bad at your job you can't hot fix the myos at least? That is assuming you are not stupid enough to think that the player base you built up secretly want to play HALO. Having cover and terrain completely negated by builds that can close on you before they are even red dots on your scanner then OHK you with a shotty or melee is something I really hope is a bug and you get off your lazy or incompetent ass and fix. No excuse for this to have gone on as long as it has. Over half of the players in Pubs now are flying commandos etc. Like is said cute for a couple days, but most of us are over it. How about you grow some balls and at least address the issue in writing here. Lol 80 meters in 2 jumps.... keep dreaming It is not a dream. Its a reality. Join Pubs and aim your reticle at a jumping scout moving full speed and it takes 2 jumps to bring them into shotty range for 80 meters out. So rather you like it or not it is the reality. I see you like to make up anecdotes to try and prove a point.. For the record my uneducated friend, asking you to log on and see for yourself is not anecdotal. Look it up. The dictionary is a powerful tool. It would be if I asked you to rely only on my experience. What I am asking you to do is experiential learning. Learn to argue, I'm sure the local community college probably has a course in logic. Even better just myo up your own scout and try it. Start running then aim your reticle at something 80 meters away then jump twice. If you are maxed at protos you will usually pass it and it is definitely within shotty range. It helps if you actually try something before you spew ignorance. Now after you prove yourself wrong please refrain from posting anymore trolly BS.
Whats hilarious is that you have no idea who ROMULUS H3X is.
The original punch master of this game.
Bwah hahahahaha!
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BARAGAMOS
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
146
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Posted - 2015.07.29 22:19:00 -
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Figures, its always the fan boys that don't like it when you bring their favorite toy/crutch/FOTM to the spotlight. Thanks for letting me know. |
Vesta Opalus
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
944
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Posted - 2015.07.30 04:01:00 -
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BARAGAMOS wrote:Figures, its always the fan boys that don't like it when you bring their favorite toy/crutch/FOTM to the spotlight. Thanks for letting me know.
Well I dunno about anyone else, but I actually went on and tested the 80 meter claim. I got 45 meters in a x3 myo caldari scout. I dont know if you meant with kincats or without, but I dont think even with 2 kincats on the thing I would have covered the remaining 35 meters that would make your claim valid (nor do I really care about the distance you can jump with these mods, I dont think it affects the balance as much as the huge boost to mellee damage and the spammability of the jumps in the first place) |
Supernus Gigas
The Cooked Goose Coalition
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Posted - 2015.07.30 05:24:00 -
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Insulting the devs and attacking people who disagree with you? You're setting yourself up for failure, Bara. You're never going to get very far with that attitude.
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Reign Omega
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
RUST415
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Posted - 2015.07.30 06:30:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Just get used to shooting them out of the air. It is not like they can strafe while falling. They have a fairly predictable flight path.
Its twice as funny when you plasma cannon someone mid flight, and they go back....
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Beld Errmon
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Posted - 2015.07.30 07:01:00 -
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yay the guy with the discussion skills of a fox news panelist is on the side of bouncy suits are BS. Its about as helpful as having anarchists turn up to help your peaceful protest.
This bouncy explosive weapon meta is a real low point in dusts history, its like quake has been bred with cod, while smoking and drinking throughout the whole pregnancy.
Assault Dropship Pilot
Semi-Retired Closed Bittervet
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Vesta Opalus
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
945
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Posted - 2015.07.30 18:29:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:yay the guy with the discussion skills of a fox news panelist is on the side of bouncy suits are BS. Its about as helpful as having anarchists turn up to help your peaceful protest.
This bouncy explosive weapon meta is a real low point in dusts history, its like quake has been bred with cod, while smoking and drinking throughout the whole pregnancy.
I mean really, low point in dusts history because of the myos? There are invincible madrugers rolling around right now, even if you are lucky enough that the enemy tanker chooses to bring in a gunnlogi, you can fire off two clips of swarms and he will still have half his shields left. Not to mention the crazy imbalanced scrambler rifle, and the armor/shield meta being completely off kilter. The myofibrils issue is small time. |
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