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Victor889 WarRavens RUST415 290	Posted - 2015.07.24 14:40:00 - [1] - Quote So all the scumbaggery currently residing around the FOTM ARR, are there any plans to nerf it into oblivion or shalI skill into it and join the cheap as F&ck hipfiring BS masses that are clearly dominating with it?
Dragonmeballs Better Hide R Die 136	Posted - 2015.07.24 14:52:00 - [2] - Quote Welcome to Dust.....where aim assist + bullet magnetism equal scrubbery. Have you tried our OP Bolt pistol yet....lack talent....need to get those 50+ meter kills while pointing in the general direction of something you saw but just don't have time to truly aim at.....the Bolt pistol is for you! Blueberry!....Make yourself useful and shoot the blurry thing running this way!
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.07.24 15:11:00 - [3] - Quote I'll stick with the breach AR, ACR and AScR, thanks. I actually prefer the Kaalakiota Rail Rifle over the Ishukone Assault. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Sequal's Back Dead Man's Game 712	Posted - 2015.07.24 15:19:00 - [4] - Quote meh. There are no FOTM weapon and the ARR isn't more powerful than other rifles. WON'T YOU PLEASE TAKE ME HOME !
DeadlyAztec11 Defenders of the Helghast Dream 8	Posted - 2015.07.24 15:27:00 - [5] - Quote I would rather have the standard AR buffed substantially than have the ARR nerfed. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 409	Posted - 2015.07.24 15:50:00 - [6] - Quote A gallente, crying about caldari weapons.... Delicious. Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Yaerus Steel Wolf Pack Special Forces Evil Syndicate Alliance. 25	Posted - 2015.07.24 15:53:00 - [7] - Quote I can vouch for that bolt pistol absolutely awesome sauce I had to get advanced for it just for the extra kick to the crotch
Tweaksz 0uter.Heaven 297	Posted - 2015.07.24 15:55:00 - [8] - Quote Sequal's Back wrote: meh. There are no FOTM weapon and the ARR isn't more powerful than other rifles. Pill Popping Madness! FFS! Not every spanish speaker is Mexican, you may not be racist but you are ignorant as fuck.
LOL KILLZ LOS INADAPTADOS 269	Posted - 2015.07.24 16:01:00 - [9] - Quote Hop on bruh. I did for about two weeks and regretted it. Anything other than Amarr tech is trash to me. \0/
Ghost Kaisar Negative-Feedback 11	Posted - 2015.07.24 16:05:00 - [10] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: I'll stick with the breach AR, ACR and AScR, thanks. I actually prefer the Kaalakiota Rail Rifle over the Ishukone Assault. Same. ARR feels like it bounces all over the place and lacks pinpoint precision. Kaala has a good sight and controllable recoil for long range bursts. Right now, I either run ARR/BP or RR/Magsec as my fits on my Cal assault. Currently listening to: Tsukihime OST Un-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_;

Regnier Feros Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 524	Posted - 2015.07.24 16:08:00 - [11] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: I'll stick with the breach AR, ACR and AScR, thanks. I actually prefer the Kaalakiota Rail Rifle over the Ishukone Assault. Same. ARR feels like it bounces all over the place and lacks pinpoint precision. Kaala has a good sight and controllable recoil for long range bursts. Right now, I either run ARR/BP or RR/Magsec as my fits on my Cal assault. AScr/BSmg for me ZariaOwnsWhips
DEATH THE KlD Imperfect - Bastards 236	Posted - 2015.07.24 16:38:00 - [12] - Quote Some people used the ARR from the start, the people who complain about fotm are the ones who chased it and then it changed but they didn't have th sp to get into it.
Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 1	Posted - 2015.07.24 18:07:00 - [13] - Quote Sequal's Back wrote: meh. There are no FOTM weapon and the ARR isn't more powerful than other rifles. What this guy said. If you actually use it, you'll realize it's not all OP/PERFECT as it looks. After like just under half of your magazine is gone, it starts to kick like crazy. And imo, it doesn't shred like a pro assault rifle in cqc. It's still decent but so are all other rifles. The only reason I can mostly think of why people use it is for the simple fact that it has LONG range and you can pick anyone out from a nice distance with a high damage rifle. CEO of 48SOF Twitter-@48SOF Scout GK.0/Assault
Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 1	Posted - 2015.07.24 18:10:00 - [14] - Quote DEATH THE KlD wrote: Some people used the ARR from the start, the people who complain about fotm are the ones who chased it and then it changed but they didn't have th sp to get into it. That's exactly why all my weapons are at proto. After skilling armor to proto when I began, I skilled all weapons to proto and proficiency 1. I can use ANYTHING CEO of 48SOF Twitter-@48SOF Scout/Assault GK.0
Sequal's Back Dead Man's Game 714	Posted - 2015.07.24 18:54:00 - [15] - Quote Tweaksz wrote: Sequal's Back wrote: meh. There are no FOTM weapon and the ARR isn't more powerful than other rifles. I'm pretty sure you just bit your tongue uttering that sentence. Well actually all main rifles are good now. The AR is okay, it just needs more range to be competitive. But if you compare all rifles, they are pretty balanced IMO. Kind of an achieveme't I must say. WON'T YOU PLEASE TAKE ME HOME !
Union118 GamersForChrist 608	Posted - 2015.07.24 19:03:00 - [16] - Quote Victor889 wrote: So all the scumbaggery currently residing around the FOTM ARR, are there any plans to nerf it into oblivion or shalI skill into it and join the cheap as F&ck hipfiring BS masses that are clearly dominating with it? Id spec into it cuz im murdering with the militia version. Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 2	Posted - 2015.07.24 19:07:00 - [17] - Quote Victor889 wrote: QQQQQQQQQQQ sperg sperg sperg QQ Whining? 'As salty as salt can get.' how I describe the dust player base.
Vesta Opalus Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 921	Posted - 2015.07.24 19:26:00 - [18] - Quote Victor889 wrote: So all the scumbaggery currently residing around the FOTM ARR, are there any plans to nerf it into oblivion or shalI skill into it and join the cheap as F&ck hipfiring BS masses that are clearly dominating with it? The ARR isnt as good as you seem to think it is. Its actually pretty balanced, and weapons like the ASCR and SCR outclass it pretty easily. The ARRs real claim to fame is its one of the better all around weapons if you arent using Amarr Assault or Minmatar Assault suits (basically if your weapon bonus sucks or doesnt exist, this is a decent weapon). Thats why you see so many Gal Assaults/Logis using it.
Moochie Cricket Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 1	Posted - 2015.07.24 19:28:00 - [19] - Quote Union118 wrote: Victor889 wrote: So all the scumbaggery currently residing around the FOTM ARR, are there any plans to nerf it into oblivion or shalI skill into it and join the cheap as F&ck hipfiring BS masses that are clearly dominating with it? Id spec into it cuz im murdering with the militia version. Idiot. The militia version has no spool up time, which is a serious factor when you are in combat. Caldari Tribute Montage
Karam Arami The Knights Of NewEden 76	Posted - 2015.07.24 21:38:00 - [20] - Quote Regnier Feros wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: I'll stick with the breach AR, ACR and AScR, thanks. I actually prefer the Kaalakiota Rail Rifle over the Ishukone Assault. Same. ARR feels like it bounces all over the place and lacks pinpoint precision. Kaala has a good sight and controllable recoil for long range bursts. Right now, I either run ARR/BP or RR/Magsec as my fits on my Cal assault. AScr/BSmg for me BLASPHEMY!!!! (T-T)¬('~')/ CHECKMATE!!!

Karam Arami The Knights Of NewEden 76	Posted - 2015.07.24 21:39:00 - [21] - Quote Moochie Cricket wrote: Union118 wrote: Victor889 wrote: So all the scumbaggery currently residing around the FOTM ARR, are there any plans to nerf it into oblivion or shalI skill into it and join the cheap as F&ck hipfiring BS masses that are clearly dominating with it? Id spec into it cuz im murdering with the militia version. Idiot. The militia version has no spool up time, which is a serious factor when you are in combat. And when its damage modded out, have mercy!!! (T-T)¬('~')/ CHECKMATE!!!
CHET CHEWS 145	Posted - 2015.07.24 21:51:00 - [22] - Quote Forum posts like these are the reason this game and comunnity is so toxic, just cause you die 3 times to a ARR dosent make it OP. The point of this games is all about strategy and thinking, if he is using a armor based weapon then bring a shield suit with a weapon that counters his suit, dont bring in the same suit with armor and just constantly throw yourself ate hime like a cheap wh0r3 (As many players do). So stop complaining to CCP cause of your stupidity, ARR is far away from being fotm. Its well balanced but in the right hands it can become a deadly weapon. Peace o/ I was so close sax >.<
Operative 1174 Uuali True Companion Planetary Requisitions 970	Posted - 2015.07.24 22:05:00 - [23] - Quote RR should get a jam effect or better yet, since it is an electromagnetic shot have the power of the shots decrease the more rapidly it is fired a la the old Large rail turret mechanic. Therefore, you would get shorter range and less damage the more shots fired. MY CPM2 PLATFORM
DEATH THE KlD Imperfect - Bastards 240	Posted - 2015.07.24 22:17:00 - [24] - Quote Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: RR should get a jam effect or better yet, since it is an electromagnetic shot have the power of the shots decrease the more rapidly it is fired a la the old Large rail turret mechanic. Therefore, you would get shorter range and less damage the more shots fired. No, it has a spool that would restart..now if you want to do this for all weapons then sure
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 11	Posted - 2015.07.24 23:26:00 - [25] - Quote Sequal's Back wrote: meh. There are no FOTM weapon and the ARR isn't more powerful than other rifles. Quite the contrary, it is, but not in a way you'd expect. Thing is that the ARR has higher range than any of the other rifles and similar DPS. (Bill Nye voice) Consider the following: A Duvolle Assault Rifle has an optimal range of 40m and a DPS of 453.33 An Ishukone Assault Rail Rifle has an optimal range of 72m and a DPS of 420. For the miniscule cost of 33.33 DPS, you can gain the advantage of 30m+ of optimal range. What this means is that while using the Assault Rifle at 72m will result in your untimely, albeit expected, death, you would not have that same disadvantage running an ARR. But that is fine, that is how the weapons were designed. However, there is a critical fault in the balancing logic that stems from the DPS to Range ratio. While we can all unanimously agree that an ARR would definitely have a significant advantage over the AR at 72m, could we say the same for the AR? It's argumentative, sure, but now consider if the person using the ARR fit a Complex Damage Mod and the person using an AR did not. Now suddenly you have the issue of the ARR almost matching the AR for DPS, but still maintaining it's high range. The overall point here is that the ARR can always fit damage mods (and if RoF mods are introduced, those as well) to circumvent it's DPS weakness. On the other hand, there is absolutely nothing an AR can do to circumvent it's range weakness, and must fit damage mods to remain competitive in the eventuality that the competition fits them, otherwise it suddenly is losing in the DPS game too. While there is a significant probability that an ARR will win at range, the same cannot be said for the AR in CQC. Volunteer For The PSD! Design A SKIN 2
Sgt Kirk Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 11	Posted - 2015.07.24 23:52:00 - [26] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Sequal's Back wrote: meh. There are no FOTM weapon and the ARR isn't more powerful than other rifles. Quite the contrary, it is, but not in a way you'd expect. Thing is that the ARR has higher range than any of the other rifles and similar DPS. (Bill Nye voice) Consider the following: A Duvolle Assault Rifle has an optimal range of 40m and a DPS of 453.33 An Ishukone Assault Rail Rifle has an optimal range of 72m and a DPS of 420. For the miniscule cost of 33.33 DPS, you can gain the advantage of 30m+ of optimal range. What this means is that while using the Assault Rifle at 72m will result in your untimely, albeit expected, death, you would not have that same disadvantage running an ARR. But that is fine, that is how the weapons were designed. However, there is a critical fault in the balancing logic that stems from the DPS to Range ratio. While we can all unanimously agree that an ARR would definitely have a significant advantage over the AR at 72m, could we say the same for the AR? It's argumentative, sure, but now consider if the person using the ARR fit a Complex Damage Mod and the person using an AR did not. Now suddenly you have the issue of the ARR almost matching the AR for DPS, but still maintaining it's high range. The overall point here is that the ARR can always fit damage mods (and if RoF mods are introduced, those as well) to circumvent it's DPS weakness. On the other hand, there is absolutely nothing an AR can do to circumvent it's range weakness, and must fit damage mods to remain competitive in the eventuality that the competition fits them, otherwise it suddenly is losing in the DPS game too. While there is a significant probability that an ARR will win at range, the same cannot be said for the AR in CQC. Well said Arkena. Sgt Kirk's Official Propaganda Youtube Channel
Squagga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 973	Posted - 2015.07.25 00:07:00 - [27] - Quote QQ some more about my weapons. How's about you write another thread about my magsec? You already have everything going in this meta towards your armor modules. God you sound like a ***** Shields, the silent killer.
Moochie Cricket Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 1	Posted - 2015.07.25 00:50:00 - [28] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Sequal's Back wrote: meh. There are no FOTM weapon and the ARR isn't more powerful than other rifles. Quite the contrary, it is, but not in a way you'd expect. Thing is that the ARR has higher range than any of the other rifles and similar DPS. (Bill Nye voice) Consider the following: A Duvolle Assault Rifle has an optimal range of 40m and a DPS of 453.33 An Ishukone Assault Rail Rifle has an optimal range of 72m and a DPS of 420. For the miniscule cost of 33.33 DPS, you can gain the advantage of 30m+ of optimal range. What this means is that while using the Assault Rifle at 72m will result in your untimely, albeit expected, death, you would not have that same disadvantage running an ARR. But that is fine, that is how the weapons were designed. However, there is a critical fault in the balancing logic that stems from the DPS to Range ratio. While we can all unanimously agree that an ARR would definitely have a significant advantage over the AR at 72m, could we say the same for the AR? It's argumentative, sure, but now consider if the person using the ARR fit a Complex Damage Mod and the person using an AR did not. Now suddenly you have the issue of the ARR almost matching the AR for DPS, but still maintaining it's high range. The overall point here is that the ARR can always fit damage mods (and if RoF mods are introduced, those as well) to circumvent it's DPS weakness. On the other hand, there is absolutely nothing an AR can do to circumvent it's range weakness, and must fit damage mods to remain competitive in the eventuality that the competition fits them, otherwise it suddenly is losing in the DPS game too. While there is a significant probability that an ARR will win at range, the same cannot be said for the AR in CQC. Yes this is all well and good, but how come you didn't even mention the spool up time. Or the insane kick after a few shots fired. Don't forget the crappy iron sights which (when coupled with the insane kick) makes doing any serious damage outside of 60m difficult. Caldari Tribute Montage
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 11	Posted - 2015.07.25 00:54:00 - [29] - Quote Moochie Cricket wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Sequal's Back wrote: meh. There are no FOTM weapon and the ARR isn't more powerful than other rifles. Quite the contrary, it is, but not in a way you'd expect. Thing is that the ARR has higher range than any of the other rifles and similar DPS. (Bill Nye voice) Consider the following: A Duvolle Assault Rifle has an optimal range of 40m and a DPS of 453.33 An Ishukone Assault Rail Rifle has an optimal range of 72m and a DPS of 420. For the miniscule cost of 33.33 DPS, you can gain the advantage of 30m+ of optimal range. What this means is that while using the Assault Rifle at 72m will result in your untimely, albeit expected, death, you would not have that same disadvantage running an ARR. But that is fine, that is how the weapons were designed. However, there is a critical fault in the balancing logic that stems from the DPS to Range ratio. While we can all unanimously agree that an ARR would definitely have a significant advantage over the AR at 72m, could we say the same for the AR? It's argumentative, sure, but now consider if the person using the ARR fit a Complex Damage Mod and the person using an AR did not. Now suddenly you have the issue of the ARR almost matching the AR for DPS, but still maintaining it's high range. The overall point here is that the ARR can always fit damage mods (and if RoF mods are introduced, those as well) to circumvent it's DPS weakness. On the other hand, there is absolutely nothing an AR can do to circumvent it's range weakness, and must fit damage mods to remain competitive in the eventuality that the competition fits them, otherwise it suddenly is losing in the DPS game too. While there is a significant probability that an ARR will win at range, the same cannot be said for the AR in CQC. Yes this is all well and good, but how come you didn't even mention the spool up time. Or the insane kick after a few shots fired. Don't forget the crappy iron sights which (when coupled with the insane kick) makes doing any serious damage outside of 60m difficult. It is well known (at least I thought so) that many players, including myself, are in support of a recoil reduction for ADS on the ARR. Volunteer For The PSD! Design A SKIN 2
Louis Domi Tugastroy Evil Syndicate Alliance. 1	Posted - 2015.07.25 01:01:00 - [30] - Quote Hate the player... Not the caldari gear... You take this away from us and what will we have? Swarms? No. Snipers? No. Magsecs? You funny. Commando suits? Maybe, but the weapons that are on that suit are gonna be **... Delt for CPM2, Shadowed Cola for CPM2, Breaking For CPM2**

TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet RUST415 304	Posted - 2015.07.25 02:42:00 - [31] - Quote Victor889 wrote: So all the scumbaggery currently residing around the FOTM ARR, are there any plans to nerf it into oblivion or shalI skill into it and join the cheap as F&ck hipfiring BS masses that are clearly dominating with it? I have been debating on the same thing. My name followed by Ishikune Assault Rail Rifle. Oh well, can't beat em you may as well join them.
Moochie Cricket Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 1	Posted - 2015.07.25 05:31:00 - [32] - Quote Louis Domi wrote: Hate the player... Not the caldari gear... You take this away from us and what will we have? Swarms? No. Snipers? No. Magsecs? You funny. Commando suits? Maybe, but the weapons that are on that suit are gonna be ****... Swarms are OP. Caldari Tribute Montage
Songs of Seraphim Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 1	Posted - 2015.07.25 05:51:00 - [33] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Moochie Cricket wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Sequal's Back wrote: meh. There are no FOTM weapon and the ARR isn't more powerful than other rifles. Quite the contrary, it is, but not in a way you'd expect. Thing is that the ARR has higher range than any of the other rifles and similar DPS. (Bill Nye voice) Consider the following: A Duvolle Assault Rifle has an optimal range of 40m and a DPS of 453.33 An Ishukone Assault Rail Rifle has an optimal range of 72m and a DPS of 420. For the miniscule cost of 33.33 DPS, you can gain the advantage of 30m+ of optimal range. What this means is that while using the Assault Rifle at 72m will result in your untimely, albeit expected, death, you would not have that same disadvantage running an ARR. But that is fine, that is how the weapons were designed. However, there is a critical fault in the balancing logic that stems from the DPS to Range ratio. While we can all unanimously agree that an ARR would definitely have a significant advantage over the AR at 72m, could we say the same for the AR? It's argumentative, sure, but now consider if the person using the ARR fit a Complex Damage Mod and the person using an AR did not. Now suddenly you have the issue of the ARR almost matching the AR for DPS, but still maintaining it's high range. The overall point here is that the ARR can always fit damage mods (and if RoF mods are introduced, those as well) to circumvent it's DPS weakness. On the other hand, there is absolutely nothing an AR can do to circumvent it's range weakness, and must fit damage mods to remain competitive in the eventuality that the competition fits them, otherwise it suddenly is losing in the DPS game too. While there is a significant probability that an ARR will win at range, the same cannot be said for the AR in CQC. Yes this is all well and good, but how come you didn't even mention the spool up time. Or the insane kick after a few shots fired. Don't forget the crappy iron sights which (when coupled with the insane kick) makes doing any serious damage outside of 60m difficult. It is well known (at least I thought so) that many players, including myself, are in support of a recoil reduction for ADS on the ARR. I feel like that should be exclusive for the Caldari Assault. After 14 rounds it gets unmanageable. By the time I'm at half a clip I have to countermeasure with my left stick. Achura Bloodline Loyalist of the State Reclaim Caldari Prime!
Hawkings Greenback Dead Man's Game 374	Posted - 2015.07.25 08:26:00 - [34] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Sequal's Back wrote: meh. There are no FOTM weapon and the ARR isn't more powerful than other rifles. Quite the contrary, it is, but not in a way you'd expect. Thing is that the ARR has higher range than any of the other rifles and similar DPS. (Bill Nye voice) Consider the following: A Duvolle Assault Rifle has an optimal range of 40m and a DPS of 453.33 An Ishukone Assault Rail Rifle has an optimal range of 72m and a DPS of 420. For the miniscule cost of 33.33 DPS, you can gain the advantage of 30m+ of optimal range. What this means is that while using the Assault Rifle at 72m will result in your untimely, albeit expected, death, you would not have that same disadvantage running an ARR. But that is fine, that is how the weapons were designed. However, there is a critical fault in the balancing logic that stems from the DPS to Range ratio. While we can all unanimously agree that an ARR would definitely have a significant advantage over the AR at 72m, could we say the same for the AR? It's argumentative, sure, but now consider if the person using the ARR fit a Complex Damage Mod and the person using an AR did not. Now suddenly you have the issue of the ARR almost matching the AR for DPS, but still maintaining it's high range. The overall point here is that the ARR can always fit damage mods (and if RoF mods are introduced, those as well) to circumvent it's DPS weakness. On the other hand, there is absolutely nothing an AR can do to circumvent it's range weakness, and must fit damage mods to remain competitive in the eventuality that the competition fits them, otherwise it suddenly is losing in the DPS game too. While there is a significant probability that an ARR will win at range, the same cannot be said for the AR in CQC. Imagine if fitting a damage mod increased damage BUT reduced the range of the weapon. Bit of a trade off that may help in balancing, not sure if suggested before or if it is even possible. "Forum Lurker" since 2012
Sequal's Back Dead Man's Game 729	Posted - 2015.07.25 08:42:00 - [35] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Sequal's Back wrote: meh. There are no FOTM weapon and the ARR isn't more powerful than other rifles. Very long post. I agree with you Aeon, and as I said in my previous post,the AR is the only rifle that deserves a bit of love (I'd suggest a range buff). Don't touch the ARR cause it's fine, but buff the AR. And overall, you can find all main rifles in the killfeed which confirms what I said : there are currently no FOTM weapon. WON'T YOU PLEASE TAKE ME HOME !
maybe deadcatz the nomercs 378	Posted - 2015.07.25 08:47:00 - [36] - Quote the assault rail rifle is pretty good even with the basic one, as long as you catch em by surprise and strafe to the side a bit. i have never ever felt the need to get the ishukone. just the sl-4 is fine. heck ive run a proto suit with just the sl4 and a milita machine pistol bpo. (the fit was something along the lines of.... scout ak.0 2 enchanced(maybe it was a proto set) shield extenders 2 complex kincats complex reps complex ferroscale sl4 assault rail rifle milita submachine gun bpo flux nade basic cloak and milita nanite injector) Need a speedy bro scout? Mail me,comes with shotgun and 20 pound bag of catnip for teh clonocide.(teh fak,cannot spell)
Sequal's Back Dead Man's Game 729	Posted - 2015.07.25 08:58:00 - [37] - Quote maybe deadcatz wrote: the assault rail rifle is pretty good even with the basic one, as long as you catch em by surprise and strafe to the side a bit. i have never ever felt the need to get the ishukone. just the sl-4 is fine. heck ive run a proto suit with just the sl4 and a milita machine pistol bpo. (the fit was something along the lines of.... scout ak.0 2 enchanced(maybe it was a proto set) shield extenders 2 complex kincats complex reps complex ferroscale sl4 assault rail rifle milita submachine gun bpo flux nade basic cloak and milita nanite injector) That's such an heretic way of fitting a lovely proto suit ! Take that Militia infamy out of it NOW ! And The ishukone ARR is black & red ==> 3 times more badass than lower tiers.. that's why you need it ! WON'T YOU PLEASE TAKE ME HOME !
iKILLu osborne T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 828	Posted - 2015.07.25 09:29:00 - [38] - Quote Arr hasn't been buffed.... So why has it suddenly became an epidemic ? (n`-´)+Æ;;; shotgun blast yo ASs Retired 62mil sp, z platoon vet, og shotty
YUUKI TERUMI 0uter.Heaven 64	Posted - 2015.07.25 09:46:00 - [39] - Quote You complain about assault rail rifle..... what about militia assault fuckin scrambler rifle that shoots you from 100 m and drops your shields and still melts armor? A MILITIA assault scrambler rifle cant melt armor like that. For me, the assault scrambler rifle is the only weapon that actually needs a nerf..... Increase the negative bonus on armor for the assault version... the normal scrambler rifle is ok because it doesn't completely destroy armor.... I see noobs running assault scrambler on every suit just because it's tooo op, even the militia version. Gallente logi, all assaults, Minja for life, Amarr heavy. Most of all, Mithril Forge hater.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.07.25 10:00:00 - [40] - Quote YUUKI TERUMI wrote: You complain about assault rail rifle..... what about militia assault fuckin scrambler rifle that shoots you from 100 m and drops your shields and still melts armor? A MILITIA assault scrambler rifle cant melt armor like that. For me, the assault scrambler rifle is the only weapon that actually needs a nerf..... Increase the negative bonus on armor for the assault version... the normal scrambler rifle is ok because it doesn't completely destroy armor.... I see noobs running assault scrambler on every suit just because it's tooo op, even the militia version. Normal scrambler rifle has the highest potential DPS of any infantry weapon in the game. ARR tends to get sh*t on by anyone in a fast min suit . WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.

YUUKI TERUMI 0uter.Heaven 64	Posted - 2015.07.25 10:14:00 - [41] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: YUUKI TERUMI wrote: You complain about assault rail rifle..... what about militia assault fuckin scrambler rifle that shoots you from 100 m and drops your shields and still melts armor? A MILITIA assault scrambler rifle cant melt armor like that. For me, the assault scrambler rifle is the only weapon that actually needs a nerf..... Increase the negative bonus on armor for the assault version... the normal scrambler rifle is ok because it doesn't completely destroy armor.... I see noobs running assault scrambler on every suit just because it's tooo op, even the militia version. Normal scrambler rifle has the highest potential DPS of any infantry weapon in the game. ARR tends to get sh*t on by anyone in a fast min suit . Yes, I use scrambler rifle with proficiency 5 and it doesn't melt armor like assault version. I use to shoot very fast with normal scrambler rifle and it requires a high amount of 'bullets' to kill, for example, a gallente commando. Gallente logi, all assaults, Minja for life, Amarr heavy. Most of all, Mithril Forge hater.
Regnier Feros Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 524	Posted - 2015.07.25 10:34:00 - [42] - Quote Old school Ascr <3 Even though the old school Ascr didn't have a true proto variant.... ZariaOwnsWhips
Scotty AI MatchMaker WarRavens RUST415 238	Posted - 2015.07.25 13:41:00 - [43] - Quote Victor889 wrote: So all the scumbaggery currently residing around the FOTM ARR, are there any plans to nerf it into oblivion or shalI skill into it and join the cheap as F&ck hipfiring BS masses that are clearly dominating with it? i use 2 on my calmando fit, nothing wrong with it except the charge time should be 0 'The shadows betray you because they belong to me,'
Louis Domi Tugastroy Evil Syndicate Alliance. 1	Posted - 2015.07.25 16:59:00 - [44] - Quote Moochie Cricket wrote: Louis Domi wrote: Hate the player... Not the caldari gear... You take this away from us and what will we have? Swarms? No. Snipers? No. Magsecs? You funny. Commando suits? Maybe, but the weapons that are on that suit are gonna be **... Swarms are OP. Against everything that isn't a tank... Those things will destroy my ads, but have a tickle fight with a tank... Delt for CPM2, Shadowed Cola for CPM2, Breaking For CPM2**
Vesta Opalus Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 927	Posted - 2015.07.25 19:04:00 - [45] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Sequal's Back wrote: meh. There are no FOTM weapon and the ARR isn't more powerful than other rifles. Quite the contrary, it is, but not in a way you'd expect. Thing is that the ARR has higher range than any of the other rifles and similar DPS. (Bill Nye voice) Consider the following: A Duvolle Assault Rifle has an optimal range of 40m and a DPS of 453.33 An Ishukone Assault Rail Rifle has an optimal range of 72m and a DPS of 420. For the miniscule cost of 33.33 DPS, you can gain the advantage of 30m+ of optimal range. What this means is that while using the Assault Rifle at 72m will result in your untimely, albeit expected, death, you would not have that same disadvantage running an ARR. But that is fine, that is how the weapons were designed. However, there is a critical fault in the balancing logic that stems from the DPS to Range ratio. While we can all unanimously agree that an ARR would definitely have a significant advantage over the AR at 72m, could we say the same for the AR? It's argumentative, sure, but now consider if the person using the ARR fit a Complex Damage Mod and the person using an AR did not. Now suddenly you have the issue of the ARR almost matching the AR for DPS, but still maintaining it's high range. The overall point here is that the ARR can always fit damage mods (and if RoF mods are introduced, those as well) to circumvent it's DPS weakness. On the other hand, there is absolutely nothing an AR can do to circumvent it's range weakness, and must fit damage mods to remain competitive in the eventuality that the competition fits them, otherwise it suddenly is losing in the DPS game too. While there is a significant probability that an ARR will win at range, the same cannot be said for the AR in CQC. Then again the ARs can also benefit from damage mods to maintain their dps advantage, and if the AR has too much dps then suits that cant dictate TOE can no longer effectively run the ARR effectively, since the AR will heavily outclass them whenever they are within the AR's optimal. Not saying the current balance is correct, just that its a tricky balance and range vs. dps has more considerations than just this gun has better range so this gun needs to be way better in dps.
Vesta Opalus Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 927	Posted - 2015.07.25 19:06:00 - [46] - Quote Louis Domi wrote: Moochie Cricket wrote: Louis Domi wrote: Hate the player... Not the caldari gear... You take this away from us and what will we have? Swarms? No. Snipers? No. Magsecs? You funny. Commando suits? Maybe, but the weapons that are on that suit are gonna be ****... Swarms are OP. Against everything that isn't a tank... Those things will destroy my ads, but have a tickle fight with a tank... Against a well piloted dropship you get the same basic dynamic with swarms v. vehicle, one single swarmer just wont be able to win no matter what they do. The difference is when two, three, four, etc AV users gang up, the dropship is boned and theres not much they can do, while the tank can abuse terrain and structures to continue being effectively invincible.
Radiant Pancake3 Destinys Immortals Rise Of Legion. 505	Posted - 2015.07.25 19:09:00 - [47] - Quote Never tried the Proto ARR (Ok I have but... only like... 3 times...) I must test this majesticness now... Personal Manager of Destinys Immortals Join Logi Heaven! Chat: "Triage Ward" Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ Minmatar Loyalist Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ
BARAGAMOS Kinsho Swords Caldari State 123	Posted - 2015.07.25 19:26:00 - [48] - Quote Radiant Pancake3 wrote: Never tried the Proto ARR (Ok I have but... only like... 3 times...) I must test this majesticness now... What you will find is that it is not that great. It does ok now because it is designed to hurt armor, and what are all the noobs that cry about it tanking???? ARMOR. Funny how that works. They are also the kids rocking moded controllers and scrams, so they get upset there is actually a weapon that does not let them coast to 15/0 games. If the ARR is giving someone fits they need to have another build.
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 2	Posted - 2015.07.25 19:28:00 - [49] - Quote It's powerful yes, but all rifles are on the same page nowadays. Which means design went well. KERO-TRADER is my official Eve character for Dust trading.
Radiant Pancake3 Destinys Immortals Rise Of Legion. 505	Posted - 2015.07.25 19:42:00 - [50] - Quote Can confirm. Is scrub tech. Ishukone Assault Rail Rifle New scrubby tech. Suit Assault G-1. 1v1 a Proto heavy in CQC... Scrubness confirmed (Only have Rail Rifle op to 5 none of it's sub skills are upgraded Ammo,Prof,Reload) Personal Manager of Destinys Immortals Join Logi Heaven! Chat: "Triage Ward" Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ Minmatar Loyalist Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ

Devadander Woodgrain Atari 426	Posted - 2015.07.25 19:48:00 - [51] - Quote iKILLu osborne wrote: Arr hasn't been buffed.... So why has it suddenly became an epidemic ? I have been thinking the same thing... It's been many moons since rail-tech was changed in any way. Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Sgt Kirk Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 11	Posted - 2015.07.25 20:06:00 - [52] - Quote I'm actually finding myself playing on my Caldari alt more now due to the simple fact that I get pissed off losing to weapons I have no business losing to in CQC consistently. Sighs, I don't understand why CCP can't wrap their heads around DPS vs Range. It's pretty damn simple. DPS goes down as range goes up unless acted upon by a long reload time or other outlier factor. Rifles don't suffer from weird outlier factors, they are pretty basic weapons when it comes to functionality, the only one that has an outlier is the scrambler. Goes back to caldari alt killing people left and right with ARR Disgusting... Sgt Kirk's Official Propaganda Youtube Channel
Sgt Kirk Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 11	Posted - 2015.07.25 20:07:00 - [53] - Quote Devadander wrote: iKILLu osborne wrote: Arr hasn't been buffed.... So why has it suddenly became an epidemic ? I have been thinking the same thing... It's been many moons since rail-tech was changed in any way. External factors can affect how a weapon performs even if the weapon itself wasn't touched. Sgt Kirk's Official Propaganda Youtube Channel
Moochie Cricket Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 1	Posted - 2015.07.25 20:09:00 - [54] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Devadander wrote: iKILLu osborne wrote: Arr hasn't been buffed.... So why has it suddenly became an epidemic ? I have been thinking the same thing... It's been many moons since rail-tech was changed in any way. External factors can affect how a weapon performs even if the weapon itself wasn't touched. Such as shields being a pieceofshit and everyone running armor tanks. Caldari Tribute Montage
Sgt Kirk Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 11	Posted - 2015.07.25 20:23:00 - [55] - Quote Moochie Cricket wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Devadander wrote: iKILLu osborne wrote: Arr hasn't been buffed.... So why has it suddenly became an epidemic ? I have been thinking the same thing... It's been many moons since rail-tech was changed in any way. External factors can affect how a weapon performs even if the weapon itself wasn't touched. Such as shields being a pieceofshit and everyone running armor tanks. Armor meta hasn't changed in a year, so it's not that. Sgt Kirk's Official Propaganda Youtube Channel
nelo kazuma Ecce Initio RLC. RUST415 313	Posted - 2015.07.25 20:51:00 - [56] - Quote Lolz a armor based weapon ***** up armor community-based ohh god nooo the horror 0.0 shield based character have no issue with this weapon (hybrid and armor stacked shield characters dont count) FOR THE STATE ^(-_-) Cal Loyalist For Life**
NIETZCHES OVERMAN Velociraptors With Violent Tendencies 138	Posted - 2015.07.25 21:00:00 - [57] - Quote Victor889 wrote: So all the scumbaggery currently residing around the FOTM ARR, are there any plans to nerf it into oblivion or shalI skill into it and join the cheap as F&ck hipfiring BS masses that are clearly dominating with it? When was it buffed? Alt of INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC
NIETZCHES OVERMAN Velociraptors With Violent Tendencies 138	Posted - 2015.07.25 21:01:00 - [58] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Moochie Cricket wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Devadander wrote: iKILLu osborne wrote: Arr hasn't been buffed.... So why has it suddenly became an epidemic ? I have been thinking the same thing... It's been many moons since rail-tech was changed in any way. External factors can affect how a weapon performs even if the weapon itself wasn't touched. Such as shields being a pieceofshit and everyone running armor tanks. Armor meta hasn't changed in a year, so it's not that. Thats not true. Alt of INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC
NIETZCHES OVERMAN Velociraptors With Violent Tendencies 138	Posted - 2015.07.25 21:02:00 - [59] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Devadander wrote: iKILLu osborne wrote: Arr hasn't been buffed.... So why has it suddenly became an epidemic ? I have been thinking the same thing... It's been many moons since rail-tech was changed in any way. External factors can affect how a weapon performs even if the weapon itself wasn't touched. Its simply a product of FW changes. Alt of INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 435	Posted - 2015.07.25 22:08:00 - [60] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Moochie Cricket wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Devadander wrote: iKILLu osborne wrote: Arr hasn't been buffed.... So why has it suddenly became an epidemic ? I have been thinking the same thing... It's been many moons since rail-tech was changed in any way. External factors can affect how a weapon performs even if the weapon itself wasn't touched. Such as shields being a pieceofshit and everyone running armor tanks. Armor meta hasn't changed in a year, so it's not that. After dance dance revolution nerf I find myself up against more brick fits. Minass with 400+/400+... So with that in mind, I figure this is the splash damage. After strafe nerf I found I could actually hit things with an arr inside of 60 meters. ( I don't AA ) I'm obviously not the only one, AA or not... And brick = plates. Rail-tech strong vs plates. Working as intended. Sorry to hear about your kdr. Maybe try a shield suit? Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~

Kalante Schiffer Ancient Exiles. 1	Posted - 2015.07.25 22:25:00 - [61] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: I'm actually finding myself playing on my Caldari alt more now due to the simple fact that I get pissed off losing to weapons I have no business losing to in CQC consistently. Sighs, I don't understand why CCP can't wrap their heads around DPS vs Range. It's pretty damn simple. DPS goes down as range goes up unless acted upon by a long reload time or other outlier factor. Rifles don't suffer from weird outlier factors, they are pretty basic weapons when it comes to functionality, the only one that has an outlier is the scrambler. Goes back to caldari alt killing people left and right with ARR Disgusting... lmao where were yall these past seven months? The ARR has always been my weapon of choice since they nerfed the CR. Every game gets ruined by the casuals sooner or later. mwsrage_5 for ESO
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.07.26 00:44:00 - [62] - Quote Quote: Armor meta hasn't changed in a year, so it's not that. Armor meta has changed twice in the last year. The second buff introduced ferros and reactive at the same time shields ate their big nerf. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Yeeeuuuupppp Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2015.07.26 00:46:00 - [63] - Quote I guess I know what I'm using when I return *I'll boop you with a plasma Cannon* PSN: GMANCASH "I played Dust so long i grew a f--king afro"
BARAGAMOS Kinsho Swords Caldari State 129	Posted - 2015.07.26 01:33:00 - [64] - Quote GOING TO TYPE THIS IN CAPS SO THE QQ CAN STOP. THE ARR IS ONLY DECENT RIGHT NOW BECASUE ARMOR IS THE META. THEY ARE WORKING AS INTENDED. IF YOU ARE HAVING K/D ISSUES TRY RUNNING ANOTHER FIT. THE PLAYERS HAVE ADAPTED TO THE STACKING OF ARMOR AND THE ORIGINAL POSTER/ OTHERS ARE JUST CRYING BECAUSE THEY WANT TO KEEP KILLLING WITH STACKED ARMOR AND SCRAMBLERS. IN A SPLIT META (ARMOR AND SHIELD SUITS) THE ARR IS UNDER DPS ON AVERAGE. IT IS MEANT TO BE AN ACCURATE WEAPON THAT PEELS ARMOR. SO DONT RUN ALL ARMOR AND EXPECT IT TO NOT PACK A PUNCH. STOP CRYING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS NOT BROKEN AND ADAPT. TRY RUNNING MORE SHIELDS AND YOU WILL FIND THAT THE FACT YOU CAN NOW CLOSE THE GAP ON AN ARR FASTER AND THE ADDED SHIELD MAKES YOUR SURVIVABILITY MUCH HIGHER. SO LET THIS THREAD DIE AS ITS FULL OF ANECODOTAL CRYING WITH NO FACTUAL BASIS FROM GUYS WANTING TO BRICK TANK. THERE ARE REALLY ONLY THREE GUNS THAT ARE OUT OF LINE RIGHT NOW WHEN ACTUAL TESTIN COMES INTO PLAY. THE SCRAMBLER FAMILY, THE BP, AND THE AHMG HAVE MOUNTAINS OF REAL EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT AN ADJUSTMENT. THE ARR DOES NOT. THAT IS FOR A REASON. ITS JUST STRONG IN THE CURRENT META NOT OVERALL.
VAHZZ Vader's-Fist 5	Posted - 2015.07.26 01:35:00 - [65] - Quote You want to stop QQ? You heard em guys, LET THE TEARS CONTINUE! The Revanchist. Vader's Fist - Under our might, everything will burn
Alena Asakura Caldari Logistics Reserve 9	Posted - 2015.09.11 20:16:00 - [66] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: I'm actually finding myself playing on my Caldari alt more now due to the simple fact that I get pissed off losing to weapons I have no business losing to in CQC consistently. Sighs, I don't understand why CCP can't wrap their heads around DPS vs Range. It's pretty damn simple. DPS goes down as range goes up unless acted upon by a long reload time or other outlier factor. Rifles don't suffer from weird outlier factors, they are pretty basic weapons when it comes to functionality, the only one that has an outlier is the scrambler. Goes back to caldari alt killing people left and right with ARR Disgusting... It's simple if you understand the underlying nature of Caldari weaponry v everyone else, particularly Gallente. Caldari and Gallente weapons all derive from a common ancestor - hybrid. But Gallente went for short range, high power blasters, and Caldari went for the long range version, railguns. This is all fundamental to the lore of the EvE Universe. Translate that into hand held weapons, you get Gallente assault rifles, ie blasters, and Caldari rail guns, ie rail rifles. The assault variant is a bastardisation to suit the player community of Dust that just want everything the same, but according to the lore of EvE, it never will be. Minmatar use explosive, projectile weaponry because it's simple and easiest to make but they've developed it to be very effective. Amarr, being the oldest and most advanced race of EvE, use energy weapons. The thing of range v DPS is absolutely part of EvE. I don't understand why it's not part of Dust, other than the aforementioned player influence. Handheld weapons need to be reasonably powerful at short range. So variants need to be developed of all the longer range weapons that allow that. Blasters are the most powerful weapon in the EvE universe but are very short range, so their range needs to be made long enough to be useful in the field. But without leaving behind the lore of EvE, blasters will never be as long range as railguns and railguns will never be as short range as blasters. So there will always be a discrepancy between the range and DPS of assault rifles and rail rifles. The ARR is the problem. It theoretically should not exist. Rail rifles don't have the capacity for short range, high DPS, like assault rifles. So there should be no assault variant. Yet again CCP has ruined the concepts of the game, relaxing the racial rules to allow everyone to use everything (something that wasn't actually really that easy in the first place) and then making some but not all weapons as good as others, which just leads to an endless cycle of FOTM-nerf/buff-FOTM. Rinse, repeat.
Alena Asakura Caldari Logistics Reserve 9	Posted - 2015.09.11 20:26:00 - [67] - Quote BARAGAMOS wrote: GOING TO TYPE THIS IN CAPS SO THE QQ CAN STOP. THE ARR IS ONLY DECENT RIGHT NOW BECASUE ARMOR IS THE META. THEY ARE WORKING AS INTENDED. IF YOU ARE HAVING K/D ISSUES TRY RUNNING ANOTHER FIT. THE PLAYERS HAVE ADAPTED TO THE STACKING OF ARMOR AND THE ORIGINAL POSTER/ OTHERS ARE JUST CRYING BECAUSE THEY WANT TO KEEP KILLLING WITH STACKED ARMOR AND SCRAMBLERS. IN A SPLIT META (ARMOR AND SHIELD SUITS) THE ARR IS UNDER DPS ON AVERAGE. IT IS MEANT TO BE AN ACCURATE WEAPON THAT PEELS ARMOR. SO DONT RUN ALL ARMOR AND EXPECT IT TO NOT PACK A PUNCH. STOP CRYING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS NOT BROKEN AND ADAPT. TRY RUNNING MORE SHIELDS AND YOU WILL FIND THAT THE FACT YOU CAN NOW CLOSE THE GAP ON AN ARR FASTER AND THE ADDED SHIELD MAKES YOUR SURVIVABILITY MUCH HIGHER. SO LET THIS THREAD DIE AS ITS FULL OF ANECODOTAL CRYING WITH NO FACTUAL BASIS FROM GUYS WANTING TO BRICK TANK. THERE ARE REALLY ONLY THREE GUNS THAT ARE OUT OF LINE RIGHT NOW WHEN ACTUAL TESTIN COMES INTO PLAY. THE SCRAMBLER FAMILY, THE BP, AND THE AHMG HAVE MOUNTAINS OF REAL EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT AN ADJUSTMENT. THE ARR DOES NOT. THAT IS FOR A REASON. ITS JUST STRONG IN THE CURRENT META NOT OVERALL. The problem with this idea is people (like me) that try to stick to one race or another. I'm Caldari and only use Caldari weapons/fits. So when they nerf something Caldari that directly effects me negatively. Since I can't (and won't) switch to another race's weapons/fits to follow FOTM, I'm stuck with nerfed gear. Likewise, when Caldari gets a buff, I get to use better gear. From my perspective CCP should just stop nerfing and buffing everything and go back to everyone having to train much harder to use other race's gear, but I know how likely that will be to happen, so I just put up with it. Eventually, if it ever got so bad that Caldari gear was virtually useless, I'd probably just leave. But I think there are probably quite a number of players like me that want to stick with one race or another and not be endlessly retraining to deal with the FOTM-buff/nerf-FOTM cycle. I'd rather max out my Caldari training to use Caldari gear to the best possible effect than try to follow the endless stream of buffs and nerfs.


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