as a merc who despises the nerf and buff culture, i despise the fact i am writing a thread for nerfing a weapon or two

now i believe most weapons are balanced in this game bt these two are not the assault hmg well do i even have to go there its very good at range and close range i would even say its almost better than the boundless

the assault scrambler is just crazy it tears through armor like a combat rifle not including dmg mods, i rarely use shield due to this weapon but that is its purpose to tear them up, dust quote you dont fight fire with fire that's stupid you fight it with water. but when i people try and fight this weapon with metaphorical water its still pretty crazy.

i think something needs to be done about both you rarely ever see the normal hmg it just all assault hmgs

You get killed more often by its assault variant, because it is easier to handle w/o AmAssault suit. Even more often, you get killed by the Assault rail rifle, but do I hear anyone complaining? How come? This is hypocrisy.
Concerning the Assault HMG though, Iam willing to agree with you on its undisputed powerfulness. I play HMG pretty often, it has in fact been my main weapon for the last 3 years. The Assault HMG clearly dethrones the basic variant in its killing potential no matter the distance,...if you know how to handle it. Tried it, cannot make this weapon work for me, but that's just me being bad.

The AHMG and HMG need to be returned to their former status.At least the HMG. Something needs to be done about modded controllers before we talk nerf to the ScR

I'm going to bet 99% of players have ever experienced playing against an enemy using a modded controller, and it's just a sensationalist rumor spreading like wildfire. There are people with very fast trigger fingers that get accused of using modded controllers despite never having touched one. Talk of these things have no place in serious balance discussions in my opinion.

AHMG is a bit over the top damage-wise. It seems the be the one instakilling before any human could possibly react, where the normal HMG and BHMG seem a little more manageable. Although I do rarely see those, because everyone runs the Assault.
I'm fine with big slow fatties taking a long time to kill and killing me fast at short range, but literally being able to walk around farting effortlessly on people and watching them die instantly, (when it takes them 30 seconds of concentrated fire to kill you) is, needless to say, not fair at all.

AHMG is a bit over the top damage-wise. It seems the be the one instakilling before any human could possibly react, where the normal HMG and BHMG seem a little more manageable. Although I do rarely see those, because everyone runs the Assault.
I'm fine with big slow fatties taking a long time to kill and killing me fast at short range, but literally being able to walk around farting effortlessly on people and watching them die instantly, (when it takes them 30 seconds of concentrated fire to kill you) is, needless to say, not fair at all.

The AHMG and HMG need to be returned to their former status.At least the HMG. Something needs to be done about modded controllers before we talk nerf to the ScR

The scr is fine and so is the ascr. The only thing that needs a nerf is your scrubiness. As for the ahmg, stop trying to take one headon.

The thing with the Assault HMG is that it is SUPPOSED to be used in tandem with the Anti-Vehicle class, however most people have adopted it because of the stupid nerf to HMGs that never should have happened in the first place. I won't lie, I adapted to the Assault HMG when the regular HMG just wasn't giving me results anymore. It's a beast, but at the same time the overheat on it makes up for the opness. Rail Rifles = satan

I'm going to bet 99% of players have ever experienced playing against an enemy using a modded controller, and it's just a sensationalist rumor spreading like wildfire. There are people with very fast trigger fingers that get accused of using modded controllers despite never having touched one. Talk of these things have no place in serious balance discussions in my opinion.

As for the assault scrambler rifle, like I said when it first got buffed this much, it needs to overheat faster -- with Amarr assault, you can empty an entire magazine without overheating if you're using Amarr assault with lv5 skill. It does more damage per second, and has more range than an assault rifle, so it needs a greater weakness (faster overheat) to counter it.

As for the regular scrambler rifle, it has the same rate of fire and less damage than the tactical AR with only around 5 meters of more range, so the issue has to be with the charge shot (IF there is an issue at all). I have a thread on possible solutions here.

The assault HMG trades damage per second for more range, but perhaps the ratio of these two attributes is off in an unbalanced way. I'm not really an expert on this issue since I mostly still use the regular HMG. Standard base variant HMG is 640 DPS, and assault HMG is 560 DPS but with more range. For comparison, a standard assault rifle is 412 DPS. I wish the game had range stats in the attributes.

Actually its the other way around...99% of us experience the modded controllers every day. Fast trigger fingers don't get off rounds per second with 1/2 the accuracy. I stand beside guys on my own team every day with Scramblers ripping off 20+ rounds per second with needle point accuracy. Same for the combat rifle...it sounds like a muted machine gun with a modded controller.....real hard to miss the sound difference. As far as the rate of fire you are way off. Check out the comparison thread done last week. The Scrambler need nerfed, its time fan boys realize it and just man up. Its padding a lot of bad kids K/D, but no one can honestly say its balanced. I they do they are just lying. There is a reason there are 10 topics a week about this. CCP said the nerf is coming, and its none to soon. The gun almost single handedly makes shield obsolete.

I'm going to bet 99% of players have ever experienced playing against an enemy using a modded controller, and it's just a sensationalist rumor spreading like wildfire. There are people with very fast trigger fingers that get accused of using modded controllers despite never having touched one. Talk of these things have no place in serious balance discussions in my opinion.

As for the assault scrambler rifle, like I said when it first got buffed this much, it needs to overheat faster -- with Amarr assault, you can empty an entire magazine without overheating if you're using Amarr assault with lv5 skill. It does more damage per second, and has more range than an assault rifle, so it needs a greater weakness (faster overheat) to counter it.

As for the regular scrambler rifle, it has the same rate of fire and less damage than the tactical AR with only around 5 meters of more range, so the issue has to be with the charge shot (IF there is an issue at all). I have a thread on possible solutions here.

The assault HMG trades damage per second for more range, but perhaps the ratio of these two attributes is off in an unbalanced way. I'm not really an expert on this issue since I mostly still use the regular HMG. Standard base variant HMG is 640 DPS, and assault HMG is 560 DPS but with more range. For comparison, a standard assault rifle is 412 DPS. I wish the game had range stats in the attributes.

I'm a bit sick of people saying the scrambler rifle does OP damage to armour. When I use a scrambler rifle I switch to smg vs armour. Let's do some maths:

Scrambler rifle dps vs armour:
Although 10 rounds per second is the hard cap, in game conditions 7 rounds per second is a more reasonable figure for an experienced scrambler user. Dps = 7 * 65 * 0.8. This give a dps vs armour of 364 hp/s.

SMG dps vs armour:
21 damage at 1000rpm gives a base dps of 350 hp/s. Vs armour the dps is 350 * 1.15 * 1.15 = 463 hp/s.

Scrambler rifle dps vs armour is only 79% of an smg. People using scramblers over smgs vs armour are doing it wrong, except at range obviously.

Is the SMG OP vs armour? No. Quit bitching about scrambler rifles.

Its entirely possible the TAC AR is OP as well, just overshadowed by the currently absurdly OP scrambler (which gets even more OP added on if you are using it on an Amarr Assault)

Rather than working out the lowest potential DPS vs Armour work out the highest possible on the most common suit. 3x Damage Modules on the Amarr Assault.

Well Kirin's damage mods would have no effect on the comparison. But with three complex light damage mods the results would be:
Scrambler 429.5 hp/s
SMG 463 hp/s

The scrambler has 93% of the dps of an SMG with three complex damage mods. Note I am comparing standard tier weapons.

Personally I use two complex damage mods, giving the scrambler 89% of the dps of an SMG vs armour.