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Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.07.19 18:24:00 -
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It doesnt matter what game mode you play there is 99% of the times a guy who takes a dropship and then deploys uplinks up high. This kind of annoying gameplay needs to stop, its not tactical nor is healthy for the game fighting a guy up high who has a massdriver or some other scrub gun. My idea is why dont we copy paste the redline mechanics from dropships and then invert the value?
Explaination of the dropship redline mechanic:
As soon a dropship reaches a certain flight altitude the redline for it is vastly expanded giving it more space to fly in, however when you get close to the ground the regualr redline mechanics are back into place just like for every other ground unit.
So since we now know about that why dont we put a hight limitation on where dropsuits can operate? Anything to high from the ground would become the redline and thus eliminating high ground camping which then turns into a better gameplay experience for everybody (except for the twatts who currently abuse this).
Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
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Mahal Daj
Mahal Tactical Enterprises
177
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Posted - 2015.07.19 18:26:00 -
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don't take our freedom to mess up badly!!!
See my Post on Crashes: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2413361#post2413361
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Apocalyptic Destroyerr
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
678
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Posted - 2015.07.19 18:29:00 -
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Hell No. The Stratosphere is Fun. |
Alena Ventrallis
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2015.07.19 18:29:00 -
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Ever heard of a flux strike?
Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind.
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Keeriam Miray
Nos Nothi
515
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Posted - 2015.07.19 18:31:00 -
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It is tactical challenging advantage! By (icelandic) design approved by omnipotent Rattati... sight 
"Call no man happy til he is dead. Happy, happy, happy, happy, happy..."
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
11
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Posted - 2015.07.19 18:33:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:Ever heard of a flux strike?
Logis now carry 7 uplinks. Nuke the place, just lay down more.
Currently listening to: Tsukihime OST
Un-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_;
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4lbert Wesker
TERRA R1SING
New Eden's Heros
328
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Posted - 2015.07.19 18:34:00 -
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Well,i know only one dude who is doing that and he is Bobby Rom.Just destroyed his dropship while he was deploying uplinks
WESKER S.T.A.R.S. is not my corporation!
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
3
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Posted - 2015.07.19 18:54:00 -
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Or like many previous places make them not possible to land on, or unable to have uplinks deployed on.
Or install ways up like ladders/portals.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
11
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Posted - 2015.07.19 19:05:00 -
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Auto-fizzle Uplinks if over X elevation?
(Not that I necessarily agree. Just spitballing for spitballs' sake.)
Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
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Varoth Drac
Dead Man's Game
1
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Posted - 2015.07.19 19:07:00 -
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Securing high ground is an important strategy. Why the hell would you want to remove strategic options from the game?
There are plenty of ways to counter high ground camping.
If someone uses a strategy against you, you have two options:
1) counter it
2) cry on the forums
You have chosen option two. |
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Louis Domi
Tugastroy
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
1
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Posted - 2015.07.19 19:14:00 -
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I'm pretty sure I've had and seen similar threads. Most people said no because it broke immersion or some ****.
Delt for CPM2, Shadowed Cola for CPM2,
Breaking For CPM2
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Cesar Geronimo
DUST University
Ivy League
15
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Posted - 2015.07.19 19:57:00 -
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1. The more enemies who are 500 feet off the ground, the less enemies who are actually capping/guarding objectives
2. FatSuit+HMG+Flux nades and a disposable militia dropship can end them pretty quickly
3. Sniper rifle practice |
Summa Militum
Art.of.Death
531
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Posted - 2015.07.19 20:57:00 -
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Bright Cloud wrote:It doesnt matter what game mode you play there is 99% of the times a guy who takes a dropship and then deploys uplinks up high. This kind of annoying gameplay needs to stop, its not tactical nor is healthy for the game fighting a guy up high who has a massdriver or some other scrub gun. My idea is why dont we copy paste the redline mechanics from dropships and then invert the value?
Explaination of the dropship redline mechanic:
As soon a dropship reaches a certain flight altitude the redline for it is vastly expanded giving it more space to fly in, however when you get close to the ground the regualr redline mechanics are back into place just like for every other ground unit.
So since we now know about that why dont we put a hight limitation on where dropsuits can operate? Anything to high from the ground would become the redline and thus eliminating high ground camping which then turns into a better gameplay experience for everybody (except for the twatts who currently abuse this).
I like this idea. I hate when the only uplink on the map is located 500 feet up on top of some structure and I am forced to try to figure out the safest way to get down without being noticed; it's really annoying and it leads to a bunch of people camping up high instead of going for the objective. |
Alena Ventrallis
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2015.07.19 20:59:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:Ever heard of a flux strike? Logis now carry 7 uplinks. Nuke the place, just lay down more.
Ever heard of minor flux strikes?
Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind.
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HOWDIDHEKILLME
Second-Nature
Negative-Feedback
724
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Posted - 2015.07.19 21:24:00 -
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Cesar Geronimo wrote:1. The more enemies who are 500 feet off the ground, the less enemies who are actually capping/guarding objectives
2. FatSuit+HMG+Flux nades and a disposable militia dropship can end them pretty quickly
3. Sniper rifle practice
This... Stop being a lazy ***** and take them out. |
Kallas Hallytyr
Skullbreakers
1
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Posted - 2015.07.19 21:24:00 -
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Mina Longstrike wrote:Or install ways up like ladders/portals.
This is the answer.
So much rooftop camping can be solved by installing ladders/portals all over the place.
Alt of Halla Murr. Sentinel.
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DiablosMajora
237
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Posted - 2015.07.19 21:39:00 -
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Kallas Hallytyr wrote:Mina Longstrike wrote:Or install ways up like ladders/portals. This is the answer. So much rooftop camping can be solved by installing ladders/portals all over the place.
Evolve-style jetpacks as an equipment?
Prepare your angus
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Vulpes Dolosus
Molon Labe.
RUST415
3
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Posted - 2015.07.19 21:47:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:Ever heard of a flux strike?
Or an ADS? Really, it's not hard to strafe most links (unless they're glitches in a wall, which is another issue entirely). At the very least you'll draw attention to yourself and either make enemies jump off the roof or switch to AV on death.
Dust is there! I was real!
Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
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Kinky Fat Bastard
OMFGZOMBIESRUN
44
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Posted - 2015.07.19 21:52:00 -
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Wouldn't it be simpler to just remove dropships? |
Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
11
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Posted - 2015.07.19 21:54:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:Ever heard of a flux strike? Logis now carry 7 uplinks. Nuke the place, just lay down more. Ever heard of minor flux strikes?
What team only has one guy laying links?
If they want that high ground, they will get it so long as they have vehicle superiority. You can minor flux as much as you want, but all they need is two guys to lay links. 14 total links between them, and you're going to have to scan and manually drop each flux, wasting tons of WP that could be used for more useful things (7 fluxes alone is 2100 WP, 14 is 4200, which is the cost of a major laser).
Even if you flux it all off, all they need to do is call in a DS on top, leave and resupply and come right back. You wouldn't realistically be able to devote the WP and Single man to drop OB's to sufficiently keep them off the high ground.
Currently listening to: Tsukihime OST
Un-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_;
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The KTM DuKe
0uter.Heaven
475
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Posted - 2015.07.19 22:02:00 -
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Bright Cloud wrote:It doesnt matter what game mode you play there is 99% of the times a guy who takes a dropship and then deploys uplinks up high. This kind of annoying gameplay needs to stop, its not tactical nor is healthy for the game fighting a guy up high who has a massdriver or some other scrub gun. My idea is why dont we copy paste the redline mechanics from dropships and then invert the value?
Explaination of the dropship redline mechanic:
As soon a dropship reaches a certain flight altitude the redline for it is vastly expanded giving it more space to fly in, however when you get close to the ground the regualr redline mechanics are back into place just like for every other ground unit.
So since we now know about that why dont we put a hight limitation on where dropsuits can operate? Anything to high from the ground would become the redline and thus eliminating high ground camping which then turns into a better gameplay experience for everybody (except for the twatts who currently abuse this).
Your offensive mails are the worst way to discuss with someone
Italy, a country that can QQ and speak, dont ask them to act though.
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A1ZEN AKUMA
Villore Sec Ops
16
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Posted - 2015.07.19 22:03:00 -
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Bright Cloud wrote:It doesnt matter what game mode you play there is 99% of the times a guy who takes a dropship and then experience for everybody (except for the twatts who currently abuse this).
lol i understand this but its stupid the range of swarm launchers is 170 m i think 170m is pretty high and if you are going to limit my dropships es capability from the most opiest weapon i have ever seen in this game then i completely disagree |
Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.07.19 22:22:00 -
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The KTM DuKe wrote:Your offensive mails are the worst way to discuss with someone
Sorry but any kind of feedback from OH is just as valuable as a turd in a tincan.
Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
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nelo kazuma
Ecce Initio RLC.
RUST415
309
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Posted - 2015.07.19 22:25:00 -
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I gues I can understand what u mean think there should be a minor reduction to how high ships should fly on certain stages cuz theyre able to get away a lil to easy. Allot are saying use flux strikes umm yea nobody does for a reason theyre incredibly inaccurate . Id lik to see flux strikes do a wider area of effect to compensate for that since major flux strikes can penetrate (lol) buildings which is awesome just atm minor fluxes suck
FOR THE STATE ^(-_-) Cal Loyalist For Life
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Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.07.19 22:29:00 -
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nelo kazuma wrote:I gues I can understand what u mean think there should be a minor reduction to how high ships should fly on certain stages cuz theyre able to get away a lil to easy. Allot are saying use flux strikes umm yea nobody does for a reason theyre incredibly inaccurate . Id lik to see flux strikes do a wider area of effect to compensate for that since mahor flux strikes can penetrate (lol) buildings which is awesome just atm minor fluxes suck
I dont have a issue with dropships, my proposal is only there for infantry with no change on dropship mechanics whatsoever.
Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
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501st Headstrong
0uter.Heaven
1
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Posted - 2015.07.20 00:49:00 -
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I disagree. If the enemy is willing to use their dropship to establish high ground superiority than that is there right. Most of these structures are only 200 meters off the ground last I remember. Dropships need far higher than that to fly...
This is the same with people bringing out tanks and such to establish vehicle superiority. If you can afford to field it, it should not be limited, but countered. As much as you might like Infantry 514, sometimes you need to take one for the team, get a dropship, fly up there yourself.
Ladder installation can happen another day, for now just call a DS and go kill some peeps. 07
"There are no rights. The world owes no one a living."-Sumner
*The Mascot of 0uter.Heaven *
Be back in 8 dayz
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Mejt0
Dead Man's Game
1
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Posted - 2015.07.20 00:56:00 -
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It's ok. I mean you can counter it etc.. but ffs these glitched uplinks in walls and null cannons are annoying.
Especially when you have thrown your fluxes already to find out there is still 3 more.
Loyal to The State
Official Caldari Commando User
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Louis Domi
Tugastroy
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
1
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Posted - 2015.07.20 01:10:00 -
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Kinky Fat Bastard wrote:Wouldn't it be simpler to just remove dropships?
You kinky fat bastard... I should slap you and watch the fat jiggle for making such a ludicrous statement... but I won't because you might find it stimulating.
Delt for CPM2, Shadowed Cola for CPM2,
Breaking For CPM2
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Eros Adonai
Corrosive Synergy
No Context
536
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Posted - 2015.07.20 01:29:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:Ever heard of a flux strike? Logis now carry 7 uplinks. Nuke the place, just lay down more.
Logic ^
Director - Corrosive Synergy
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HOWDIDHEKILLME
Second-Nature
Negative-Feedback
726
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Posted - 2015.07.20 01:49:00 -
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Next we can consolidate all maps into a single round 30m room with no cover. Then you can complain about how people won't run backwards at you while you pick them off with a hmg and that you almost ran out of ammo because no logi was next to you licking your bunghole. |
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Russel Mendoza
Klandatu
211
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Posted - 2015.07.20 05:35:00 -
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You can not stop me. I will put those uplink up there. I will be waiting with a sl and a pee shooter. Kill me and i will do it all over again.
I'm the biggest Dustard in the universe!!!
Summoning technique "Gorgon no jutsu"
Vehicle request accepted.
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Dust User
Horizons' Edge
No Context
2
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Posted - 2015.07.20 06:15:00 -
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Bright Cloud wrote:The KTM DuKe wrote:Your offensive mails are the worst way to discuss with someone Sorry but any kind of feedback from OH is just as valuable as a turd in a tincan.
What's wrong he kill you in a pub match? |
KingBabar
The Rainbow Effect
2
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Posted - 2015.07.20 06:17:00 -
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Still fighting your little causes on the forums I see. Kind of cute, kind of pathetic.
Perhaps its time for you to get a girlfriend Cloud, or at the very least, a better game.
Payday 2 is recommended, though you'll need friends for that.
Spkr4theDead wrote:
Says the guy that was quitting the game because CCP were nerfing fused locus grenades.
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The KTM DuKe
0uter.Heaven
476
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Posted - 2015.07.20 06:48:00 -
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Dust User wrote:Bright Cloud wrote:The KTM DuKe wrote:Your offensive mails are the worst way to discuss with someone Sorry but any kind of feedback from OH is just as valuable as a turd in a tincan. What's wrong he kill you in a pub match?
Too many times it seems...
Italy, a country that can QQ and speak, dont ask them to act though.
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Powerh8er
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
918
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Posted - 2015.07.20 08:14:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:Still fighting your little causes on the forums I see. Kind of cute, kind of pathetic.
Perhaps its time for you to get a girlfriend Cloud, or at the very least, a better game.
Payday 2 is recommended, though you'll need friends for that.
Well, atleast cloud isnt an asshat with an mexican mail order bride that he needs permission to play videogames from.
Atleast im not some wierdos imaginary friend.
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KingBabar
The Rainbow Effect
2
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Posted - 2015.07.20 09:30:00 -
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Powerh8er wrote:KingBabar wrote:Still fighting your little causes on the forums I see. Kind of cute, kind of pathetic.
Perhaps its time for you to get a girlfriend Cloud, or at the very least, a better game.
Payday 2 is recommended, though you'll need friends for that. Well, atleast cloud isnt an asshat with an mexican mail order bride that he needs permission to play videogames from.
LOL - You said:
cloud isnt an asshat
Spkr4theDead wrote:
Says the guy that was quitting the game because CCP were nerfing fused locus grenades.
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Private Part's
sticky green's
26
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Posted - 2015.07.20 10:16:00 -
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Seriously, fighting from a higher elevation isn't tactical? You may not like it because it actually takes gasp a little effort to overcome. What's next remove cover, only scrubs shoot back.
If you don't like this tactic because your team isn't countering it then get off your behind and do something about it like shooting back getting your own DS and taking the location your self or having some friends back you up or is it not tactical to use team work?
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Juno Tristan
Obscure Reference
737
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Posted - 2015.07.20 10:19:00 -
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I refuse to play the caldari production facility on the basis that some **** will put links on the beams
ADS Ramming Revenge!
Plasma Cannon Rampage
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RKKR
WarRavens
RUST415
1
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Posted - 2015.07.20 10:25:00 -
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It's not taking the high ground that's the problem, it's more of a problem that almost every objective can be stalked by a mass driver/sniper with only a few/none? ways to counter it. |
Count- -Crotchula
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
139
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Posted - 2015.07.20 10:30:00 -
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i rarely see a dropship survive an uplink dropoff. |
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deezy dabest
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
2
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Posted - 2015.07.20 13:35:00 -
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Orbital Bombardment
Dropship of your own + any good slayer fit
Sniper Rifle (not in every situation but in most)
Assault Dropship
Four counters that generally knock out the high ground issue pretty quickly.
Remove NPC orbitals from FW. -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest.
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Duke Noobiam
The Can Crushers
504
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Posted - 2015.07.20 13:47:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:Orbital Bombardment
Dropship of your own + any good slayer fit
Sniper Rifle (not in every situation but in most)
Assault Dropship
Four counters that generally knock out the high ground issue pretty quickly.
4/4 Came here to say this exactly.
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Darken-Sol
Intruder Excluder
2
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Posted - 2015.07.20 13:50:00 -
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Forge them off the roof. Your aim would be better if you dry your tears.
Crush them
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Dementia Maniaclease
65
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Posted - 2015.07.20 14:55:00 -
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Wow didn't realize people sucked so bad that this is a problem.
I've countered this with all militia gear
Militia ds, militia suit, militia assault rifle, militia flux nades.
Sooooo
Shut up
Cuz I am not that good, and if I can do it.. anyone can
Beware the mighty chinchillasaurus rex!
"You live on the forums"~ my wife
(o)¿(o)
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Vesta Opalus
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
895
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Posted - 2015.07.20 15:59:00 -
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Bright Cloud wrote:It doesnt matter what game mode you play there is 99% of the times a guy who takes a dropship and then deploys uplinks up high. This kind of annoying gameplay needs to stop, its not tactical nor is healthy for the game fighting a guy up high who has a massdriver or some other scrub gun. My idea is why dont we copy paste the redline mechanics from dropships and then invert the value?
Explaination of the dropship redline mechanic:
As soon a dropship reaches a certain flight altitude the redline for it is vastly expanded giving it more space to fly in, however when you get close to the ground the regualr redline mechanics are back into place just like for every other ground unit.
So since we now know about that why dont we put a hight limitation on where dropsuits can operate? Anything to high from the ground would become the redline and thus eliminating high ground camping which then turns into a better gameplay experience for everybody (except for the twatts who currently abuse this).
I'd rather have ladders and stuff go up to all the roofs, but Ill take whatever.
High ground camping is boring as hell and makes the blueberries give up. |
Darken-Sol
Intruder Excluder
2
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Posted - 2015.07.20 16:34:00 -
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Dementia Maniaclease wrote:Wow didn't realize people sucked so bad that this is a problem.
I've countered this with all militia gear
Militia ds, militia suit, militia assault rifle, militia flux nades.
Sooooo
Shut up
Cuz I am not that good, and if I can do it.. anyone can
Not Christopher Reeve.
Crush them
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Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
6
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Posted - 2015.07.20 16:43:00 -
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Bright Cloud wrote:It doesnt matter what game mode you play there is 99% of the times a guy who takes a dropship and then deploys uplinks up high. This kind of annoying gameplay needs to stop, its not tactical nor is healthy for the game fighting a guy up high who has a massdriver or some other scrub gun. My idea is why dont we copy paste the redline mechanics from dropships and then invert the value?
Explaination of the dropship redline mechanic:
As soon a dropship reaches a certain flight altitude the redline for it is vastly expanded giving it more space to fly in, however when you get close to the ground the regualr redline mechanics are back into place just like for every other ground unit.
So since we now know about that why dont we put a hight limitation on where dropsuits can operate? Anything to high from the ground would become the redline and thus eliminating high ground camping which then turns into a better gameplay experience for everybody (except for the twatts who currently abuse this).
NO.
That's exactly what they did back in the Beta. They put the flight ceiling so low you had to weave between structures that weren't even that tall because you couldn't fly over them.
That's why Swarms fly so fast now. The super low flight ceiling forced us to circle maps constantly, and that's also why everyone hated Missile Turrets. You ended up with Dropships that would orbit the map at max speed to outrun swarms, and blap infantry with Missile Turrets as they passed by.
Use Flux orbitals on uplinks, use the ladders if there are any, or fly up yourself. Don't try and **** up the game because you refuse to think outside the box.
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
The sheltering wings of the protector
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VikingKong iBUN
0uter.Heaven
512
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Posted - 2015.07.20 16:48:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:Ever heard of a flux strike?
Flux strikes don't work against dedicated rooftop scrubs. They're carrying like 20 uplinks, they just drop more. 
I would like a Gallente SMG.
TUNNEL SNAKES RULE
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Dementia Maniaclease
65
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Posted - 2015.07.20 20:01:00 -
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Darken-Sol wrote:Dementia Maniaclease wrote:Wow didn't realize people sucked so bad that this is a problem.
I've countered this with all militia gear
Militia ds, militia suit, militia assault rifle, militia flux nades.
Sooooo
Shut up
Cuz I am not that good, and if I can do it.. anyone can Not Christopher Reeve.
But he's supermqan he can do anything!
Can't he?
Beware the mighty chinchillasaurus rex!
"You live on the forums"~ my wife
(o)¿(o)
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Union118
GamersForChrist
570
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Posted - 2015.07.20 20:25:00 -
[50] - Quote
Bright Cloud wrote:It doesnt matter what game mode you play there is 99% of the times a guy who takes a dropship and then deploys uplinks up high. This kind of annoying gameplay needs to stop, its not tactical nor is healthy for the game fighting a guy up high who has a massdriver or some other scrub gun. My idea is why dont we copy paste the redline mechanics from dropships and then invert the value?
Explaination of the dropship redline mechanic:
As soon a dropship reaches a certain flight altitude the redline for it is vastly expanded giving it more space to fly in, however when you get close to the ground the regualr redline mechanics are back into place just like for every other ground unit.
So since we now know about that why dont we put a hight limitation on where dropsuits can operate? Anything to high from the ground would become the redline and thus eliminating high ground camping which then turns into a better gameplay experience for everybody (except for the twatts who currently abuse this).
You could just tac snipe like i do. The higher they are the easier the shot sometimes. Remember what goes up must come down. Its newtons law.
Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
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