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Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.07.10 20:07:00 - [1] - Quote BOW BEFORE THADDEUS REYNOLDS! That SOB does his homework, and he does it good. Here's the derived average rates of fire on a programmable input. There is some oversampling, but as you can see, the numbers are fairly consistent. So I give you the scrambler rifle Rate of Fire Measurement Test results (Preliminary) WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 312	Posted - 2015.07.10 21:00:00 - [2] - Quote Ok, the methodology used was simple: I used a hardware interface (that is designed to allow the use of an Xbox 360 Controller with a PS3 or a PS3 controller with an Xbox 360) to run a few custom "Turbo-fire" Scripts that I calibrated to the correct RoFs over the course of a few days. The Scripts where calibrated by measuring the minimum actuation time that needed to be given for DUST to register the "keystrokes", then time was added from there, I tested the scripts using the PS3 controller on both a Windows PC and a Linux Machine to ensure that the RoFs it was outputting where correct. Then a corpmate of mine and I jumped into pub matches in squad, and recorded from both his perspective and my perspective the trials using the 'Templar' Scrambler Rifle on this Account. Each programmed Rate of Fire was used in 5 trials each. After each trial, before reloading the number of rounds remaining in the magazine was recorded. These trials where all done in the redline, and I apologize to my teammates in those matches for taking you down 2 people (although we did end up with victories in all test matches). Trials with the 'Templar' Scrambler Rifle took 2 matches to complete. We then repeated the same process, this time the character used was a fresh alt with no skills, using a Militia Scrambler Rifle. The same test method was used, and I issue the same apology. I then went in and analyzed the video to get the time to overheat, verifying from both the shooter's and viewers perspectives, and attempting (with minimal success) to ensure the correct number of rounds where fired. To get the time from the shooters perspective, the first frame of the measurment was the first frame where heat appeared in the interface, to the first frame where the weapon was inoperable. To get the time from the Viewers perspective, time was taken from the first frame in which a shot appeared, to the first frame where the "Blue Sphere" seize affect was seen. Any discrepancies where averaged out. Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. Vehicle Re-vamp Proposal
Arkena Wyrnspire Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 24	Posted - 2015.07.10 21:06:00 - [3] - Quote he used a modded controller ban him Arkena Wyrnspire aka "British Khorne" - Cross Atu Gallente Guide
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.07.10 21:18:00 - [4] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: he used a modded controller ban him oh shut up. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Ghosts Chance Intara Direct Action Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.07.10 22:14:00 - [5] - Quote why are you teaching modded controller bastereds how to program their scripts correctly to prevent oversampling? (oversampling was the easyest way to detect modded controller users.....) Minmatar is Winmatar Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind" I am Chances Ghost
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.07.10 22:18:00 - [6] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: why are you teaching modded controller bastereds how to program their scripts correctly to prevent oversampling? Oh if you're going to try to make me the villain I'll play. I'm doing it specifically so I can enrage you, Ghosts Chance, and to help you get swarmed with modded controllers wielded by L337 12-year olds who believe they are absolutely the most skilled things ever. It's all part of my ten year plan to destroy your fun, one tiny piece at a time. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Veg Hegirin DUST University Ivy League 78	Posted - 2015.07.10 22:19:00 - [7] - Quote It seems odd that heat isn't a per shot thing, but then dust sometimes seems to operate on eve's 1s ticks so i guess v0v
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.07.10 22:21:00 - [8] - Quote Veg Hegirin wrote: It seems odd that heat isn't a per shot thing, but then dust sometimes seems to operate on eve's 1s ticks so i guess v0v heat mechanics are, and have always been X heat generated per second regardless of the shots fired. the original dev team literally copy/pasted the code block for the laser rifle over and altered the variables. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Veg Hegirin DUST University Ivy League 78	Posted - 2015.07.10 22:25:00 - [9] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Veg Hegirin wrote: It seems odd that heat isn't a per shot thing, but then dust sometimes seems to operate on eve's 1s ticks so i guess v0v heat mechanics are, and have always been X heat generated per second regardless of the shots fired. the original dev team literally copy/pasted the code block for the laser rifle over and altered the variables. As a ScR user I would like this fixed
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 1	Posted - 2015.07.10 22:48:00 - [10] - Quote Veg Hegirin wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Veg Hegirin wrote: It seems odd that heat isn't a per shot thing, but then dust sometimes seems to operate on eve's 1s ticks so i guess v0v heat mechanics are, and have always been X heat generated per second regardless of the shots fired. the original dev team literally copy/pasted the code block for the laser rifle over and altered the variables. As a ScR user I would like this fixed ditto. This is a failing in the coding of a weapon rather than it being op when used properly. trying to get off 19 scr rounds without a modded controller and it will explode in your face. though, making it heat per shot rather than heat per second still won't stop cal players from qq, but it will make the game a lot more fair, and not punish normal players for the sins of the cheaters. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me. "I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati

Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.07.10 22:50:00 - [11] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: ditto. This is a failing in the coding of a weapon rather than it being op when used properly. trying to get off 19 scr rounds without a modded controller and it will explode in your face. though, making it heat per shot rather than heat per second still won't stop cal players from qq, but it will make the game a lot more fair, and not punish normal players for the sins of the cheaters. And I do believe THIS right here was my actual intent. Thank you, drive through. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 314	Posted - 2015.07.11 01:14:00 - [12] - Quote I just hoped to provide the proper context for everyone when talking about the Scrambler Rifle Re-balance. Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. Vehicle Re-vamp Proposal
Veg Hegirin DUST University Ivy League 82	Posted - 2015.07.11 02:50:00 - [13] - Quote "The" ? It's a thing?
Daddrobit You Can Call Me Daddy 1	Posted - 2015.07.11 03:16:00 - [14] - Quote So do I'm going to guess you do not have Amarr Assault which is why the unskilled militia could pump out just as much as the basic? I would assume then that you would be able to fire off 23-24 shots with the Assault bonus at 600 RPM? Also, like I pointed out in the other thread, this is why I'm wary of adding ROF mods with mechanics like these... O.G. Pink Fluffy Bunny
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 317	Posted - 2015.07.11 03:37:00 - [15] - Quote Daddrobit wrote: So do I'm going to guess you do not have Amarr Assault which is why the unskilled militia could pump out just as much as the basic? I would assume then that you would be able to fire off 23-24 shots with the Assault bonus at 600 RPM? Also, like I pointed out in the other thread, this is why I'm wary of adding ROF mods with mechanics like these... Even if RoF mods where added it wouldn't increase the DPS potential of the SCR or TR, since the system does not register an input of 600 RPM, therefore it wouldn't register a higher input accurately either. I didn't test the Amarr Assault because I don't have a character with Amarr Assault V, and to try to get an accurate assessment of the base weapon, with as few bonuses as possible added in. Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. Vehicle Re-vamp Proposal
Squagga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 893	Posted - 2015.07.11 06:25:00 - [16] - Quote Hahahahahahahaha cats out of the bag now Shields, the silent killer.
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 1	Posted - 2015.07.11 09:10:00 - [17] - Quote bump for blue tag also to keep in mind though it is physically possible to rapid fire a controller without middling the controller, to do that much in that that amount of time is unpractical and far from accurate. I can spam a good deal from a scr clip, certainly not 19 times accurately. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me. "I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati
Georgia Xavier Incorruptibles 849	Posted - 2015.07.11 11:08:00 - [18] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: bump for blue tag also to keep in mind though it is physically possible to rapid fire a controller without middling the controller, to do that much in that that amount of time is unpractical and far from accurate. I can spam a good deal from a scr clip, certainly not 19 times accurately. Same here, got a fast trigger finger but none of them will hit unless I'm so close to the target I might as well hug them CLICK ME!!
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 11	Posted - 2015.07.11 11:22:00 - [19] - Quote That DPS application is just insane, even with the overheat. I can only imagine how ungodly it is on a fully specced Amarr Assault with a modded controller. 10% of US schools no longer teach Cursive. A decade from now, 10% of the US isn't going to understand all the squiglies.
Louis Domi Tugastroy Evil Syndicate Alliance. 964	Posted - 2015.07.11 11:30:00 - [20] - Quote I'm Firing my laser!

Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.07.11 11:38:00 - [21] - Quote Georgia Xavier wrote: Tesfa Alem wrote: bump for blue tag also to keep in mind though it is physically possible to rapid fire a controller without middling the controller, to do that much in that that amount of time is unpractical and far from accurate. I can spam a good deal from a scr clip, certainly not 19 times accurately. Same here, got a fast trigger finger but none of them will hit unless I'm so close to the target I might as well hug them Statements like yours are the reason I am skeptical of the claims who can max out the shots with just a finger and accurately. I can't, and I don't know anyone who isn't a braggart who claims they can. This is why I am skeptical that bringing the ScR to heel will "punish normal players who don't use modded controllers." WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 11	Posted - 2015.07.11 11:44:00 - [22] - Quote Good stuff, gents! Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Daddrobit You Can Call Me Daddy 1	Posted - 2015.07.11 14:03:00 - [23] - Quote Thaddeus Reynolds wrote: Daddrobit wrote: So do I'm going to guess you do not have Amarr Assault which is why the unskilled militia could pump out just as much as the basic? I would assume then that you would be able to fire off 23-24 shots with the Assault bonus at 600 RPM? Also, like I pointed out in the other thread, this is why I'm wary of adding ROF mods with mechanics like these... Even if RoF mods where added it wouldn't increase the DPS potential of the SCR or TR, since the system does not register an input of 600 RPM, therefore it wouldn't register a higher input accurately either. I didn't test the Amarr Assault because I don't have a character with Amarr Assault V, and to try to get an accurate assessment of the base weapon, with as few bonuses as possible added in. Hmmm, indeed, I didn't read into the "Measured ROF" column. Good call. Would like to see what would be possible on Amarr Assault though. I have one, but I lack a modded controller and I'm not spending cash on one to squeeze out an extra 2-3 shots... O.G. Pink Fluffy Bunny
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 320	Posted - 2015.07.12 02:19:00 - [24] - Quote Daddrobit wrote: Thaddeus Reynolds wrote: Daddrobit wrote: So do I'm going to guess you do not have Amarr Assault which is why the unskilled militia could pump out just as much as the basic? I would assume then that you would be able to fire off 23-24 shots with the Assault bonus at 600 RPM? Also, like I pointed out in the other thread, this is why I'm wary of adding ROF mods with mechanics like these... Even if RoF mods where added it wouldn't increase the DPS potential of the SCR or TR, since the system does not register an input of 600 RPM, therefore it wouldn't register a higher input accurately either. I didn't test the Amarr Assault because I don't have a character with Amarr Assault V, and to try to get an accurate assessment of the base weapon, with as few bonuses as possible added in. Hmmm, indeed, I didn't read into the "Measured ROF" column. Good call. Would like to see what would be possible on Amarr Assault though. I have one, but I lack a modded controller and I'm not spending cash on one to squeeze out an extra 2-3 shots... Well, I'd test it myself, but that's a lot of SP to save up, and I'm hoping that CCP fixes it before then (plus there are a number of other things I'd rather spend SP on), but assuming I have it before any issues with this weapon are changed, I'd be happy to test it as well. In the meantime, I'm trying to get SP to get into a TacAR to get a side-by side comparison to see how the two Tactical Weapons compare. Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. Vehicle Re-vamp Proposal
Veg Hegirin DUST University Ivy League 86	Posted - 2015.07.12 03:00:00 - [25] - Quote Thaddeus Reynolds wrote: see how the two Tactical Weapons compare. I stopped trying to compare such things once I realized there was both a combat assault rifle and an assault combat rifle
deezy dabest Evil Syndicate Alliance. 2	Posted - 2015.07.12 03:14:00 - [26] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Georgia Xavier wrote: Tesfa Alem wrote: bump for blue tag also to keep in mind though it is physically possible to rapid fire a controller without middling the controller, to do that much in that that amount of time is unpractical and far from accurate. I can spam a good deal from a scr clip, certainly not 19 times accurately. Same here, got a fast trigger finger but none of them will hit unless I'm so close to the target I might as well hug them Statements like yours are the reason I am skeptical of the claims who can max out the shots with just a finger and accurately. I can't, and I don't know anyone who isn't a braggart who claims they can. This is why I am skeptical that bringing the ScR to heel will "punish normal players who don't use modded controllers." Just look at the Scrambler pistol. It got its RoF nerfed and now shooting it is painful. It is impossible to hold your rhythm with the thing thanks to what seems to be some sort or random interval application to make the RoF what it is.This is the same situation which would hurt regular users. Modded controllers can be programmed to the exact rate of fire while anything below what a regular person is able to pull the trigger at turns into an awkward mess of not knowing if you are going to shoot or not. Remove NPC orbitals from FW. -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest.
BARAGAMOS Kinsho Swords Caldari State 98	Posted - 2015.07.12 05:53:00 - [27] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Georgia Xavier wrote: Tesfa Alem wrote: bump for blue tag also to keep in mind though it is physically possible to rapid fire a controller without middling the controller, to do that much in that that amount of time is unpractical and far from accurate. I can spam a good deal from a scr clip, certainly not 19 times accurately. Same here, got a fast trigger finger but none of them will hit unless I'm so close to the target I might as well hug them Statements like yours are the reason I am skeptical of the claims who can max out the shots with just a finger and accurately. I can't, and I don't know anyone who isn't a braggart who claims they can. This is why I am skeptical that bringing the ScR to heel will "punish normal players who don't use modded controllers." Just look at the Scrambler pistol. It got its RoF nerfed and now shooting it is painful. It is impossible to hold your rhythm with the thing thanks to what seems to be some sort or random interval application to make the RoF what it is.This is the same situation which would hurt regular users. Modded controllers can be programmed to the exact rate of fire while anything below what a regular person is able to pull the trigger at turns into an awkward mess of not knowing if you are going to shoot or not. I think the real problem is that there are like three people in the world actually not using a moded controller with this and the combat rifle. Watch the kill feed and count the Scram kills. Better than 50% most games. The dps is off the chart and warping the game even more in favor of armor vs shields. Its time to fix this so we can go back to some diversity on the field. that and to be honest, I am personally tired of getting a suit with 750 EHP melted off in less than 1.5 seconds from insane range.
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 321	Posted - 2015.07.12 22:25:00 - [28] - Quote BARAGAMOS wrote: deezy dabest wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Georgia Xavier wrote: Tesfa Alem wrote: bump for blue tag also to keep in mind though it is physically possible to rapid fire a controller without middling the controller, to do that much in that that amount of time is unpractical and far from accurate. I can spam a good deal from a scr clip, certainly not 19 times accurately. Same here, got a fast trigger finger but none of them will hit unless I'm so close to the target I might as well hug them Statements like yours are the reason I am skeptical of the claims who can max out the shots with just a finger and accurately. I can't, and I don't know anyone who isn't a braggart who claims they can. This is why I am skeptical that bringing the ScR to heel will "punish normal players who don't use modded controllers." Just look at the Scrambler pistol. It got its RoF nerfed and now shooting it is painful. It is impossible to hold your rhythm with the thing thanks to what seems to be some sort or random interval application to make the RoF what it is.This is the same situation which would hurt regular users. Modded controllers can be programmed to the exact rate of fire while anything below what a regular person is able to pull the trigger at turns into an awkward mess of not knowing if you are going to shoot or not. I think the real problem is that there are like three people in the world actually not using a moded controller with this and the combat rifle. Watch the kill feed and count the Scram kills. Better than 50% most games. The dps is off the chart and warping the game even more in favor of armor vs shields. Its time to fix this so we can go back to some diversity on the field. that and to be honest, I am personally tired of getting a suit with 750 EHP melted off in less than 1.5 seconds from insane range. Don't get us wrong, I'm sure we all want the Scrambler Rifle to be in-line with the other weapons, but it also needs to feel right. Currently, the weapon's firing mechanics feel right, it's the limiting factors on damage that need to be examined, which was one of the purposes with this data collection, to demonstrate that something was wrong with the heat buildup of the weapon (though the data is inconclusive on to how it generates heat, it is generating slightly more than it should). I'll get back to everyone when I get data for the TacAR for comparison. It would also be useful to know exactly what the multiplier on heat for the charge shot on the ScR is (If a Dev wants to weigh in here). Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. Vehicle Re-vamp Proposal
Sardonk Eternia Tiny Universe 351	Posted - 2015.07.12 23:11:00 - [29] - Quote Great great post! Thank you for taking the time to test this so thoroughly. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 321	Posted - 2015.07.13 03:52:00 - [30] - Quote Just got the SP to run TacAR, I should be able to test it vs the SCR with the scripts tomorrow Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. Vehicle Re-vamp Proposal

Omega Nox Consolidated Dust 114	Posted - 2015.07.13 07:39:00 - [31] - Quote BARAGAMOS wrote: deezy dabest wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Georgia Xavier wrote: Tesfa Alem wrote: bump for blue tag also to keep in mind though it is physically possible to rapid fire a controller without middling the controller, to do that much in that that amount of time is unpractical and far from accurate. I can spam a good deal from a scr clip, certainly not 19 times accurately. Same here, got a fast trigger finger but none of them will hit unless I'm so close to the target I might as well hug them Statements like yours are the reason I am skeptical of the claims who can max out the shots with just a finger and accurately. I can't, and I don't know anyone who isn't a braggart who claims they can. This is why I am skeptical that bringing the ScR to heel will "punish normal players who don't use modded controllers." Just look at the Scrambler pistol. It got its RoF nerfed and now shooting it is painful. It is impossible to hold your rhythm with the thing thanks to what seems to be some sort or random interval application to make the RoF what it is.This is the same situation which would hurt regular users. Modded controllers can be programmed to the exact rate of fire while anything below what a regular person is able to pull the trigger at turns into an awkward mess of not knowing if you are going to shoot or not. I think the real problem is that there are like three people in the world actually not using a moded controller with this and the combat rifle. Watch the kill feed and count the Scram kills. Better than 50% most games. The dps is off the chart and warping the game even more in favor of armor vs shields. Its time to fix this so we can go back to some diversity on the field. that and to be honest, I am personally tired of getting a suit with 750 EHP melted off in less than 1.5 seconds from insane range. Your problem is the 750 ehp, bring a damage moded, damped calscout and you'll save 1.4 seconds off your time until respawn! Mordu's walking quafe mascot.
Petra 222 SoM Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 104	Posted - 2015.07.13 09:44:00 - [32] - Quote thanks, for taking the time to do a write up. Hopefully ccp will appreciate you doing their jobs for them for free and fix the problem Have they even ever acknowledged the modded controller issue or is it like the framerate disaster that they are too afraid to even comment on?
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.07.13 10:01:00 - [33] - Quote Petra 222 SoM wrote: thanks, for taking the time to do a write up. Hopefully ccp will appreciate you doing their jobs for them for free and fix the problem Have they even ever acknowledged the modded controller issue or is it like the framerate disaster that they are too afraid to even comment on? So let us know when you intend to make a constructive post not intended to passive-aggressively call the dev team incompetent. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
dzizur Nos Nothi 443	Posted - 2015.07.13 10:35:00 - [34] - Quote Thanks dude, could you link me to a website with those controllers too? I really want to be 1337 ;)
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.07.13 11:21:00 - [35] - Quote dzizur wrote: Thanks dude, could you link me to a website with those controllers too? I really want to be 1337 ;) 1/10 Too obvious. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Omega Nox Consolidated Dust 115	Posted - 2015.07.13 13:01:00 - [36] - Quote scram should be deleted from the game, because it's very concept is sci-stupid. pulsed sinous energy-in RL physics would be an accurate description of defensive shields would theorectically work. ya, ya, rail guns have recoil and miniguns overheat and jam...gtfo. Mordu's walking quafe mascot.
Alena Ventrallis Commando Perkone Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.07.13 13:11:00 - [37] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: why are you teaching modded controller bastereds how to program their scripts correctly to prevent oversampling? Oh if you're going to try to make me the villain I'll play. I'm doing it specifically so I can enrage you, Ghosts Chance, and to help you get swarmed with modded controllers wielded by L337 12-year olds who believe they are absolutely the most skilled things ever. It's all part of my ten year plan to destroy your fun, one tiny piece at a time. I may have chuckled a bit. Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind.
Georgia Xavier Incorruptibles 869	Posted - 2015.07.13 13:22:00 - [38] - Quote Omega Nox wrote: scram should be deleted from the game, because it's very concept is sci-stupid. pulsed sinous energy-in RL physics would be an accurate description of how defensive shields could theoretically work. ya, ya, rail guns have recoil and miniguns overheat and jam...gtfo. Delete a weapon with a lot of players dedicated to it just because you're not having fun. You must be proud of yourself CLICK ME!!
Tebu Gan 0uter.Heaven 1	Posted - 2015.07.13 14:26:00 - [39] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Petra 222 SoM wrote: thanks, for taking the time to do a write up. Hopefully ccp will appreciate you doing their jobs for them for free and fix the problem Have they even ever acknowledged the modded controller issue or is it like the framerate disaster that they are too afraid to even comment on? So let us know when you intend to make a constructive post not intended to passive-aggressively call the dev team incompetent. You sure do kiss up to them a lot.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.07.13 14:46:00 - [40] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Petra 222 SoM wrote: thanks, for taking the time to do a write up. Hopefully ccp will appreciate you doing their jobs for them for free and fix the problem Have they even ever acknowledged the modded controller issue or is it like the framerate disaster that they are too afraid to even comment on? So let us know when you intend to make a constructive post not intended to passive-aggressively call the dev team incompetent. You sure do kiss up to them a lot. You sure do act like a condescending ass a lot. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.

Petra 222 SoM Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 104	Posted - 2015.07.13 20:59:00 - [41] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Tebu Gan wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Petra 222 SoM wrote: thanks, for taking the time to do a write up. Hopefully ccp will appreciate you doing their jobs for them for free and fix the problem Have they even ever acknowledged the modded controller issue or is it like the framerate disaster that they are too afraid to even comment on? So let us know when you intend to make a constructive post not intended to passive-aggressively call the dev team incompetent. You sure do kiss up to them a lot. You sure do act like a condescending ass a lot. I figure if you're gonna call them incompetent, just man up and say it rather than trying to imply it like a passive-aggressive reality TV twit. Lol, You actually believe you are taking the high road when you are insecure enough to take to petty name calling and personal attacks... again lol. At least my comment was on topic. Most of yours are sad attempts at epeen. Looks to me you are more concerned with coddling your insecurities than your actual original topic Also, " calling the dev team incompetent" are you words not mine. But nice to know how you really feel. I know they have the skills whether in house or outsourced. I also think they were competent enough to cut their loses on this game and move their resources elsewhere. Funny because judging by your no-life forum status, you haven't caught on yet.
Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 3	Posted - 2015.07.13 21:04:00 - [42] - Quote I can end this whole argument in on the note that the SCR is OP and desperately needs a nerf: I used it today and I went positive. In two matches. It's a cheater bar. .emag nug ym tpecxe gnihtyreve sexif gnikamhctam RDK
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 322	Posted - 2015.07.14 01:54:00 - [43] - Quote Tactical AR can get up to 600 RPM, or at least it expends its ammo at this rate using the 600 RPM script, which I was not expecting during this test. It sounds and looks like it fires significantly slower though, but it does fire the entirety of the magazine in 2.4 seconds, making it the bigger danger in the hands of turbo controller users (note: it did this for all 5 trials with the 600 RPM script). Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. Vehicle Re-vamp Proposal
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 20	Posted - 2015.07.14 02:15:00 - [44] - Quote Thaddeus Reynolds wrote: Tactical AR can get up to 600 RPM, or at least it expends its ammo at this rate using the 600 RPM script, which I was not expecting during this test. It sounds and looks like it fires significantly slower though, but it does fire the entirety of the magazine in 2.4 seconds, making it the bigger danger in the hands of turbo controller users (note: it did this for all 5 trials with the 600 RPM script). And people didn't believe me when I said the Tac AR is pretty good. How was the recoil during the test Thaddeus? Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
Mex-0 Corrosive Synergy 798	Posted - 2015.07.14 02:15:00 - [45] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: why are you teaching modded controller bastereds how to program their scripts correctly to prevent oversampling? Oh if you're going to try to make me the villain I'll play. I'm doing it specifically so I can enrage you, Ghosts Chance, and to help you get swarmed with modded controllers wielded by L337 12-year olds who believe they are absolutely the most skilled things ever. It's all part of my ten year plan to destroy your fun, one tiny piece at a time. It seems he didn't have a... GHOST OF A CHANCE AWWW YEAHHH If I insult you in some way, it's probably by accident. probably.
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 323	Posted - 2015.07.14 02:18:00 - [46] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Thaddeus Reynolds wrote: Tactical AR can get up to 600 RPM, or at least it expends its ammo at this rate using the 600 RPM script, which I was not expecting during this test. It sounds and looks like it fires significantly slower though, but it does fire the entirety of the magazine in 2.4 seconds, making it the bigger danger in the hands of turbo controller users (note: it did this for all 5 trials with the 600 RPM script). And people didn't believe me when I said the Tac AR is pretty good. How was the recoil during the test Thaddeus? Recoil is pretty intense on the TacAR, but not entirely unmanageable, with skill (or a Script) one could, with difficulty, keep the reticle on-target...the dispersion is much more pronounced on the TacAR though. Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. Vehicle Re-vamp Proposal
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.07.14 14:45:00 - [47] - Quote Petra 222 SoM wrote: BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH Trolling/baiting and not bothering to be subtle about it FTFY WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 323	Posted - 2015.07.14 22:20:00 - [48] - Quote Just went through the videos to verify number of shots fired on all Scrambler Rifle Trials. All counts are correct, my difficulty before was i Was trying to count the number of projectiles, which overlapped with each-other, instead now I'm counting the number of impacts on the surface material (than you Grimm for making us fire at a surface in-view). Please note: this data does not indicate how the Scrambler Rifle is generating its heat, nor how it is generating its excess heat, just that the heat buildup is not consistent with the statistics we where given (and unlike the 80GJ Railguns, it isn't something as neat as generating double heat). Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. Vehicle Re-vamp Proposal
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 323	Posted - 2015.07.15 04:25:00 - [49] - Quote I really hope this data is helpful to the devteam and community. If it is, I'd be glad to gather more data. And to answer some questions, no I will not reveal the hardware or the specifics of the scripts on the forums (unless I am specifically told to by the devs/gms). While I used a "turbo" function for this test (to achieve consistency of rate of fire and quick enough rate of fire), I do not condone the use of them during ordinary gameplay, and do not want to make it any easier on those who use them to gain an unfair advantage. Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. Vehicle Re-vamp Proposal
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.07.15 04:43:00 - [50] - Quote Squagga wrote: Hahahahahahahaha cats out of the bag now No I"m not Rolls back into bag AND THEN STEVE BUSCEMI SHOWS UP ON A FLYING PIG FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 20	Posted - 2015.07.15 04:50:00 - [51] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Squagga wrote: Hahahahahahahaha cats out of the bag now No I"m not Rolls back into bag We have your Cat brethren! Now answer his question and we can let them all out to chase mice and frolic to the scent of catnip. Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
Kobain Irish Quiruz 2	Posted - 2015.07.15 04:56:00 - [52] - Quote So a Scrambler Rifle deals a significant amount of damage when it is fired continually to the point of overheating, and it takes a full 19 shots and 2. Seconds to overheat, Scramblers aren't that good are they? ««------ *Rookie In Training Forum Poster Inbound!*
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.07.15 05:35:00 - [53] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Squagga wrote: Hahahahahahahaha cats out of the bag now No I"m not Rolls back into bag We have your Cat brethren! Now answer his question and we can let them all out to chase mice and frolic to the scent of catnip. I can produce 50 kittens in a year alone. Fucks not given. AND THEN STEVE BUSCEMI SHOWS UP ON A FLYING PIG FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 7	Posted - 2015.07.15 05:39:00 - [54] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: True Adamance wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Squagga wrote: Hahahahahahahaha cats out of the bag now No I"m not Rolls back into bag We have your Cat brethren! Now answer his question and we can let them all out to chase mice and frolic to the scent of catnip. I can produce 50 kittens in a year alone. Fucks not given. Then I guess we'll have to take your women!!! You and your paws have a lot of catching up to do. "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.07.15 05:48:00 - [55] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Cat Merc wrote: True Adamance wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Squagga wrote: Hahahahahahahaha cats out of the bag now No I"m not Rolls back into bag We have your Cat brethren! Now answer his question and we can let them all out to chase mice and frolic to the scent of catnip. I can produce 50 kittens in a year alone. Fucks not given. Then I guess we'll have to take your women!!! You and your paws have a lot of catching up to do. Nyet! What do you want you filthy hoomans. AND THEN STEVE BUSCEMI SHOWS UP ON A FLYING PIG FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 335	Posted - 2015.07.23 04:21:00 - [56] - Quote Bump Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. Vehicle Re-vamp Proposal
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 20	Posted - 2015.07.23 04:31:00 - [57] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Nyet! What do you want you filthy hoomans. Nothing only that when you felines conquer us lesser beings that you do not take your wroth out on those who worship the Old Gods, Istasha and Lhythalia. Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
deezy dabest Evil Syndicate Alliance. 2	Posted - 2015.07.23 07:02:00 - [58] - Quote Daddrobit wrote: So do I'm going to guess you do not have Amarr Assault which is why the unskilled militia could pump out just as much as the basic? I would assume then that you would be able to fire off 23-24 shots with the Assault bonus at 600 RPM? Also, like I pointed out in the other thread, this is why I'm wary of adding ROF mods with mechanics like these... Tests of my own on an Amarr assault with level 5 yielded a maximum of 25 shots before over heated, this was unreliable as it maxes out the refresh time of the PS3 controller to push that many shots through. 24 shots was totally reliable before over heat. I also previously thought that variable RoF would nerf modded controllers but can also tell you that this would only nerf the RoF as a whole. Setups do exist that are cheaper than an actual modded controller, better benefit, and can be used to very easily workaround any mechanics to block a turbo fire situation. Remove NPC orbitals from FW. -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest.
deezy dabest Evil Syndicate Alliance. 2	Posted - 2015.07.23 07:08:00 - [59] - Quote Thaddeus Reynolds wrote: Tactical AR can get up to 600 RPM, or at least it expends its ammo at this rate using the 600 RPM script, which I was not expecting during this test. It sounds and looks like it fires significantly slower though, but it does fire the entirety of the magazine in 2.4 seconds, making it the bigger danger in the hands of turbo controller users (note: it did this for all 5 trials with the 600 RPM script). The TacAR is better to program for burst fire otherwise you must also add in a draw down per shot on the right stick. Remove NPC orbitals from FW. -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest.
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 338	Posted - 2015.07.29 22:32:00 - [60] - Quote a bump also, I'm pretty sure (just based on the small change that happened a little while ago, that has since been rolled back) that the heat buildup is a per-shot, not per time, but the data suggests that the weapon is generating too much heat per shot, is generating heat for an extra shot(s) that is (are) registering. I want to apologize for some of my earlier posts (not necessarily in this thread) insisting that the weapon build up heat on a per time basis, as those where in-error. I also want to ask CCP if they've identified where this anomalous heat is coming from, and also what the wait time before cool-down starts? Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. Vehicle Re-vamp Proposal

Jakkal Shoobah Eternal Beings Smart Deploy 161	Posted - 2015.07.29 22:51:00 - [61] - Quote Super interested on TAC ar vs scrambler comparison with those scripts. They both supposedly have a rof of 600, but when I would put a scr and a TAC on my commando, its clear which one I can shoot faster. While slow to anger and occasionally indecisive, they are also capable of harnessing enormous resolve when truly tested.
deezy dabest Evil Syndicate Alliance. 2	Posted - 2015.07.29 22:58:00 - [62] - Quote Jakkal Shoobah wrote: Super interested on TAC ar vs scrambler comparison with those scripts. They both supposedly have a rof of 600, but when I would put a scr and a TAC on my commando, its clear which one I can shoot faster. They both seem to fire the same under maxed out conditions. With the refresh rate for inputs on the ps3 being 10ms it is impossible to tune it down to exactly 600 RPM. Remove NPC orbitals from FW. -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest.
Vesta Opalus Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 942	Posted - 2015.07.30 00:23:00 - [63] - Quote Thaddeus Reynolds wrote: These trials where all done in the redline, and I apologize to my teammates in those matches for taking you down 2 people (although we did end up with victories in all test matches). See how OP the scrambler is?
Vesta Opalus Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 942	Posted - 2015.07.30 00:32:00 - [64] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Thaddeus Reynolds wrote: Tactical AR can get up to 600 RPM, or at least it expends its ammo at this rate using the 600 RPM script, which I was not expecting during this test. It sounds and looks like it fires significantly slower though, but it does fire the entirety of the magazine in 2.4 seconds, making it the bigger danger in the hands of turbo controller users (note: it did this for all 5 trials with the 600 RPM script). And people didn't believe me when I said the Tac AR is pretty good. How was the recoil during the test Thaddeus? I believed you. I've always considered it very good, the only problem with it is that the Scrambler is generally better (which is very telling in regard to scrambler balance since the Tac AR is very good indeed).
Vesta Opalus Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 942	Posted - 2015.07.30 00:35:00 - [65] - Quote Well Thaddeus I appreciate the numbers and graphs, thanks for going through the effort. If you have anything else you want to test I have a wide variety of things skilled up to max, open offer.
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 343	Posted - 2015.07.30 03:34:00 - [66] - Quote Jakkal Shoobah wrote: Super interested on TAC ar vs scrambler comparison with those scripts. They both supposedly have a rof of 600, but when I would put a scr and a TAC on my commando, its clear which one I can shoot faster. As I explained in my earlier post, the SCR felt and looked faster in each test, however, the TAC AR, despite not making the correct number of sounds, did make the correct number of impacts on the surface fired upon, and fired the correct amount of ammunition in the exact required time each trial (Unlike the ScR) Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. Vehicle Re-vamp Proposal
Jakkal Shoobah Eternal Beings Smart Deploy 163	Posted - 2015.07.30 21:45:00 - [67] - Quote Thank you Thaddeus for this information. I will no longer feel like my TAC AR is inferior to the scrambler. While slow to anger and occasionally indecisive, they are also capable of harnessing enormous resolve when truly tested.
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 348	Posted - 2015.08.01 04:38:00 - [68] - Quote Jakkal Shoobah wrote: Thank you Thaddeus for this information. I will no longer feel like my TAC AR is inferior to the scrambler. No Problem...if I see any sort of problem I can assist in gathering data for, I will. I would gather additional data from FW if I had a non-laggy FW Match for a control xD Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. Vehicle Re-vamp Proposal
jane stalin free dropships for newbs 378	Posted - 2015.08.01 06:49:00 - [69] - Quote Thanks for the analysis and the description of how you did things Perhaps CCP should have a sandpit mode in special contracts, target dummies the register the time of hit and amount of damage, and digital equivalent of a paper target that would give you a record of dispersion.
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 349	Posted - 2015.08.01 06:55:00 - [70] - Quote I would love to have a weapons lab available...would be great for crowd-sourcing testing...not to mention getting people a chance to try out different weapon types Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. Vehicle Re-vamp Proposal

NIETZCHES OVERMAN Velociraptors With Violent Tendencies 142	Posted - 2015.08.01 08:59:00 - [71] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: BOW BEFORE THADDEUS REYNOLDS! That SOB does his homework, and he does it good. Here's the derived average rates of fire on a programmable input. There is some oversampling, but as you can see, the numbers are fairly consistent. So I give you the scrambler rifle Rate of Fire Measurement Test results (Preliminary) if the input was programmable why is there over sampling ? and i do better with just my finger i can burn 21 shots easy without overheat... Alt of INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC
NIETZCHES OVERMAN Velociraptors With Violent Tendencies 142	Posted - 2015.08.01 09:00:00 - [72] - Quote Jakkal Shoobah wrote: Thank you Thaddeus for this information. I will no longer feel like my TAC AR is inferior to the scrambler. its not, had a 48 and 2 yesterday with it, just no one using it Alt of INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC
NIETZCHES OVERMAN Velociraptors With Violent Tendencies 142	Posted - 2015.08.01 09:04:00 - [73] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: he used a modded controller ban him modded controllers are valid input methods, dummy as CPM, CCP cant tell you what hardware to use gtfo Alt of INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 349	Posted - 2015.08.01 11:13:00 - [74] - Quote NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: BOW BEFORE THADDEUS REYNOLDS! That SOB does his homework, and he does it good. Here's the derived average rates of fire on a programmable input. There is some oversampling, but as you can see, the numbers are fairly consistent. So I give you the scrambler rifle Rate of Fire Measurement Test results (Preliminary) if the input was programmable why is there over sampling ? and i do better with just my finger i can burn 21 shots easy without overheat... I made a lot of effort to minimize over sampling, however I found it was unavoidable on my end. This could be a factor of the device, the ps3 itself, or any number of other issues. I have a question, those 21 shots, are those on an Amarr Assault Suit? If not, I'd be happy to set up a time to record some footage to analyze. Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. Vehicle Re-vamp Proposal


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