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BARAGAMOS wrote:

deezy dabest wrote:

Breakin Stuff wrote:

Georgia Xavier wrote:

Tesfa Alem wrote:

bump for blue tag

also to keep in mind though it is physically possible to rapid fire a controller without middling the controller, to do that much in that that amount of time is unpractical and far from accurate.

I can spam a good deal from a scr clip, certainly not 19 times accurately.

Same here, got a fast trigger finger but none of them will hit unless I'm so close to the target I might as well hug them

Statements like yours are the reason I am skeptical of the claims who can max out the shots with just a finger and accurately.

I can't, and I don't know anyone who isn't a braggart who claims they can.

This is why I am skeptical that bringing the ScR to heel will "punish normal players who don't use modded controllers."

Just look at the Scrambler pistol. It got its RoF nerfed and now shooting it is painful. It is impossible to hold your rhythm with the thing thanks to what seems to be some sort or random interval application to make the RoF what it is.This is the same situation which would hurt regular users. Modded controllers can be programmed to the exact rate of fire while anything below what a regular person is able to pull the trigger at turns into an awkward mess of not knowing if you are going to shoot or not.

I think the real problem is that there are like three people in the world actually not using a moded controller with this and the combat rifle. Watch the kill feed and count the Scram kills. Better than 50% most games. The dps is off the chart and warping the game even more in favor of armor vs shields. Its time to fix this so we can go back to some diversity on the field. that and to be honest, I am personally tired of getting a suit with 750 EHP melted off in less than 1.5 seconds from insane range.

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Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.07.10 20:07:00 - [1] - Quote BOW BEFORE THADDEUS REYNOLDS! That SOB does his homework, and he does it good. Here's the derived average rates of fire on a programmable input. There is some oversampling, but as you can see, the numbers are fairly consistent. So I give you the scrambler rifle Rate of Fire Measurement Test results (Preliminary) WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 312	Posted - 2015.07.10 21:00:00 - [2] - Quote Ok, the methodology used was simple: I used a hardware interface (that is designed to allow the use of an Xbox 360 Controller with a PS3 or a PS3 controller with an Xbox 360) to run a few custom "Turbo-fire" Scripts that I calibrated to the correct RoFs over the course of a few days. The Scripts where calibrated by measuring the minimum actuation time that needed to be given for DUST to register the "keystrokes", then time was added from there, I tested the scripts using the PS3 controller on both a Windows PC and a Linux Machine to ensure that the RoFs it was outputting where correct. Then a corpmate of mine and I jumped into pub matches in squad, and recorded from both his perspective and my perspective the trials using the 'Templar' Scrambler Rifle on this Account. Each programmed Rate of Fire was used in 5 trials each. After each trial, before reloading the number of rounds remaining in the magazine was recorded. These trials where all done in the redline, and I apologize to my teammates in those matches for taking you down 2 people (although we did end up with victories in all test matches). Trials with the 'Templar' Scrambler Rifle took 2 matches to complete. We then repeated the same process, this time the character used was a fresh alt with no skills, using a Militia Scrambler Rifle. The same test method was used, and I issue the same apology. I then went in and analyzed the video to get the time to overheat, verifying from both the shooter's and viewers perspectives, and attempting (with minimal success) to ensure the correct number of rounds where fired. To get the time from the shooters perspective, the first frame of the measurment was the first frame where heat appeared in the interface, to the first frame where the weapon was inoperable. To get the time from the Viewers perspective, time was taken from the first frame in which a shot appeared, to the first frame where the "Blue Sphere" seize affect was seen. Any discrepancies where averaged out. Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. Vehicle Re-vamp Proposal
Arkena Wyrnspire Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 24	Posted - 2015.07.10 21:06:00 - [3] - Quote he used a modded controller ban him Arkena Wyrnspire aka "British Khorne" - Cross Atu Gallente Guide
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.07.10 21:18:00 - [4] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: he used a modded controller ban him oh shut up. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Ghosts Chance Intara Direct Action Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.07.10 22:14:00 - [5] - Quote why are you teaching modded controller bastereds how to program their scripts correctly to prevent oversampling? (oversampling was the easyest way to detect modded controller users.....) Minmatar is Winmatar Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind" I am Chances Ghost
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.07.10 22:18:00 - [6] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: why are you teaching modded controller bastereds how to program their scripts correctly to prevent oversampling? Oh if you're going to try to make me the villain I'll play. I'm doing it specifically so I can enrage you, Ghosts Chance, and to help you get swarmed with modded controllers wielded by L337 12-year olds who believe they are absolutely the most skilled things ever. It's all part of my ten year plan to destroy your fun, one tiny piece at a time. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Veg Hegirin DUST University Ivy League 78	Posted - 2015.07.10 22:19:00 - [7] - Quote It seems odd that heat isn't a per shot thing, but then dust sometimes seems to operate on eve's 1s ticks so i guess v0v
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.07.10 22:21:00 - [8] - Quote Veg Hegirin wrote: It seems odd that heat isn't a per shot thing, but then dust sometimes seems to operate on eve's 1s ticks so i guess v0v heat mechanics are, and have always been X heat generated per second regardless of the shots fired. the original dev team literally copy/pasted the code block for the laser rifle over and altered the variables. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Veg Hegirin DUST University Ivy League 78	Posted - 2015.07.10 22:25:00 - [9] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Veg Hegirin wrote: It seems odd that heat isn't a per shot thing, but then dust sometimes seems to operate on eve's 1s ticks so i guess v0v heat mechanics are, and have always been X heat generated per second regardless of the shots fired. the original dev team literally copy/pasted the code block for the laser rifle over and altered the variables. As a ScR user I would like this fixed
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 1	Posted - 2015.07.10 22:48:00 - [10] - Quote Veg Hegirin wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Veg Hegirin wrote: It seems odd that heat isn't a per shot thing, but then dust sometimes seems to operate on eve's 1s ticks so i guess v0v heat mechanics are, and have always been X heat generated per second regardless of the shots fired. the original dev team literally copy/pasted the code block for the laser rifle over and altered the variables. As a ScR user I would like this fixed ditto. This is a failing in the coding of a weapon rather than it being op when used properly. trying to get off 19 scr rounds without a modded controller and it will explode in your face. though, making it heat per shot rather than heat per second still won't stop cal players from qq, but it will make the game a lot more fair, and not punish normal players for the sins of the cheaters. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me. "I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.07.10 22:50:00 - [11] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: ditto. This is a failing in the coding of a weapon rather than it being op when used properly. trying to get off 19 scr rounds without a modded controller and it will explode in your face. though, making it heat per shot rather than heat per second still won't stop cal players from qq, but it will make the game a lot more fair, and not punish normal players for the sins of the cheaters. And I do believe THIS right here was my actual intent. Thank you, drive through. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 314	Posted - 2015.07.11 01:14:00 - [12] - Quote I just hoped to provide the proper context for everyone when talking about the Scrambler Rifle Re-balance. Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. Vehicle Re-vamp Proposal
Veg Hegirin DUST University Ivy League 82	Posted - 2015.07.11 02:50:00 - [13] - Quote "The" ? It's a thing?
Daddrobit You Can Call Me Daddy 1	Posted - 2015.07.11 03:16:00 - [14] - Quote So do I'm going to guess you do not have Amarr Assault which is why the unskilled militia could pump out just as much as the basic? I would assume then that you would be able to fire off 23-24 shots with the Assault bonus at 600 RPM? Also, like I pointed out in the other thread, this is why I'm wary of adding ROF mods with mechanics like these... O.G. Pink Fluffy Bunny
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 317	Posted - 2015.07.11 03:37:00 - [15] - Quote Daddrobit wrote: So do I'm going to guess you do not have Amarr Assault which is why the unskilled militia could pump out just as much as the basic? I would assume then that you would be able to fire off 23-24 shots with the Assault bonus at 600 RPM? Also, like I pointed out in the other thread, this is why I'm wary of adding ROF mods with mechanics like these... Even if RoF mods where added it wouldn't increase the DPS potential of the SCR or TR, since the system does not register an input of 600 RPM, therefore it wouldn't register a higher input accurately either. I didn't test the Amarr Assault because I don't have a character with Amarr Assault V, and to try to get an accurate assessment of the base weapon, with as few bonuses as possible added in. Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. Vehicle Re-vamp Proposal
Squagga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 893	Posted - 2015.07.11 06:25:00 - [16] - Quote Hahahahahahahaha cats out of the bag now Shields, the silent killer.
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 1	Posted - 2015.07.11 09:10:00 - [17] - Quote bump for blue tag also to keep in mind though it is physically possible to rapid fire a controller without middling the controller, to do that much in that that amount of time is unpractical and far from accurate. I can spam a good deal from a scr clip, certainly not 19 times accurately. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me. "I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati
Georgia Xavier Incorruptibles 849	Posted - 2015.07.11 11:08:00 - [18] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: bump for blue tag also to keep in mind though it is physically possible to rapid fire a controller without middling the controller, to do that much in that that amount of time is unpractical and far from accurate. I can spam a good deal from a scr clip, certainly not 19 times accurately. Same here, got a fast trigger finger but none of them will hit unless I'm so close to the target I might as well hug them CLICK ME!!
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 11	Posted - 2015.07.11 11:22:00 - [19] - Quote That DPS application is just insane, even with the overheat. I can only imagine how ungodly it is on a fully specced Amarr Assault with a modded controller. 10% of US schools no longer teach Cursive. A decade from now, 10% of the US isn't going to understand all the squiglies.
Louis Domi Tugastroy Evil Syndicate Alliance. 964	Posted - 2015.07.11 11:30:00 - [20] - Quote I'm Firing my laser!
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.07.11 11:38:00 - [21] - Quote Georgia Xavier wrote: Tesfa Alem wrote: bump for blue tag also to keep in mind though it is physically possible to rapid fire a controller without middling the controller, to do that much in that that amount of time is unpractical and far from accurate. I can spam a good deal from a scr clip, certainly not 19 times accurately. Same here, got a fast trigger finger but none of them will hit unless I'm so close to the target I might as well hug them Statements like yours are the reason I am skeptical of the claims who can max out the shots with just a finger and accurately. I can't, and I don't know anyone who isn't a braggart who claims they can. This is why I am skeptical that bringing the ScR to heel will "punish normal players who don't use modded controllers." WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 11	Posted - 2015.07.11 11:44:00 - [22] - Quote Good stuff, gents! Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Daddrobit You Can Call Me Daddy 1	Posted - 2015.07.11 14:03:00 - [23] - Quote Thaddeus Reynolds wrote: Daddrobit wrote: So do I'm going to guess you do not have Amarr Assault which is why the unskilled militia could pump out just as much as the basic? I would assume then that you would be able to fire off 23-24 shots with the Assault bonus at 600 RPM? Also, like I pointed out in the other thread, this is why I'm wary of adding ROF mods with mechanics like these... Even if RoF mods where added it wouldn't increase the DPS potential of the SCR or TR, since the system does not register an input of 600 RPM, therefore it wouldn't register a higher input accurately either. I didn't test the Amarr Assault because I don't have a character with Amarr Assault V, and to try to get an accurate assessment of the base weapon, with as few bonuses as possible added in. Hmmm, indeed, I didn't read into the "Measured ROF" column. Good call. Would like to see what would be possible on Amarr Assault though. I have one, but I lack a modded controller and I'm not spending cash on one to squeeze out an extra 2-3 shots... O.G. Pink Fluffy Bunny
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 320	Posted - 2015.07.12 02:19:00 - [24] - Quote Daddrobit wrote: Thaddeus Reynolds wrote: Daddrobit wrote: So do I'm going to guess you do not have Amarr Assault which is why the unskilled militia could pump out just as much as the basic? I would assume then that you would be able to fire off 23-24 shots with the Assault bonus at 600 RPM? Also, like I pointed out in the other thread, this is why I'm wary of adding ROF mods with mechanics like these... Even if RoF mods where added it wouldn't increase the DPS potential of the SCR or TR, since the system does not register an input of 600 RPM, therefore it wouldn't register a higher input accurately either. I didn't test the Amarr Assault because I don't have a character with Amarr Assault V, and to try to get an accurate assessment of the base weapon, with as few bonuses as possible added in. Hmmm, indeed, I didn't read into the "Measured ROF" column. Good call. Would like to see what would be possible on Amarr Assault though. I have one, but I lack a modded controller and I'm not spending cash on one to squeeze out an extra 2-3 shots... Well, I'd test it myself, but that's a lot of SP to save up, and I'm hoping that CCP fixes it before then (plus there are a number of other things I'd rather spend SP on), but assuming I have it before any issues with this weapon are changed, I'd be happy to test it as well. In the meantime, I'm trying to get SP to get into a TacAR to get a side-by side comparison to see how the two Tactical Weapons compare. Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. Vehicle Re-vamp Proposal
Veg Hegirin DUST University Ivy League 86	Posted - 2015.07.12 03:00:00 - [25] - Quote Thaddeus Reynolds wrote: see how the two Tactical Weapons compare. I stopped trying to compare such things once I realized there was both a combat assault rifle and an assault combat rifle
deezy dabest Evil Syndicate Alliance. 2	Posted - 2015.07.12 03:14:00 - [26] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Georgia Xavier wrote: Tesfa Alem wrote: bump for blue tag also to keep in mind though it is physically possible to rapid fire a controller without middling the controller, to do that much in that that amount of time is unpractical and far from accurate. I can spam a good deal from a scr clip, certainly not 19 times accurately. Same here, got a fast trigger finger but none of them will hit unless I'm so close to the target I might as well hug them Statements like yours are the reason I am skeptical of the claims who can max out the shots with just a finger and accurately. I can't, and I don't know anyone who isn't a braggart who claims they can. This is why I am skeptical that bringing the ScR to heel will "punish normal players who don't use modded controllers." Just look at the Scrambler pistol. It got its RoF nerfed and now shooting it is painful. It is impossible to hold your rhythm with the thing thanks to what seems to be some sort or random interval application to make the RoF what it is.This is the same situation which would hurt regular users. Modded controllers can be programmed to the exact rate of fire while anything below what a regular person is able to pull the trigger at turns into an awkward mess of not knowing if you are going to shoot or not. Remove NPC orbitals from FW. -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest.
BARAGAMOS Kinsho Swords Caldari State 98	Posted - 2015.07.12 05:53:00 - [27] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Georgia Xavier wrote: Tesfa Alem wrote: bump for blue tag also to keep in mind though it is physically possible to rapid fire a controller without middling the controller, to do that much in that that amount of time is unpractical and far from accurate. I can spam a good deal from a scr clip, certainly not 19 times accurately. Same here, got a fast trigger finger but none of them will hit unless I'm so close to the target I might as well hug them Statements like yours are the reason I am skeptical of the claims who can max out the shots with just a finger and accurately. I can't, and I don't know anyone who isn't a braggart who claims they can. This is why I am skeptical that bringing the ScR to heel will "punish normal players who don't use modded controllers." Just look at the Scrambler pistol. It got its RoF nerfed and now shooting it is painful. It is impossible to hold your rhythm with the thing thanks to what seems to be some sort or random interval application to make the RoF what it is.This is the same situation which would hurt regular users. Modded controllers can be programmed to the exact rate of fire while anything below what a regular person is able to pull the trigger at turns into an awkward mess of not knowing if you are going to shoot or not. I think the real problem is that there are like three people in the world actually not using a moded controller with this and the combat rifle. Watch the kill feed and count the Scram kills. Better than 50% most games. The dps is off the chart and warping the game even more in favor of armor vs shields. Its time to fix this so we can go back to some diversity on the field. that and to be honest, I am personally tired of getting a suit with 750 EHP melted off in less than 1.5 seconds from insane range.
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 321	Posted - 2015.07.12 22:25:00 - [28] - Quote BARAGAMOS wrote: deezy dabest wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Georgia Xavier wrote: Tesfa Alem wrote: bump for blue tag also to keep in mind though it is physically possible to rapid fire a controller without middling the controller, to do that much in that that amount of time is unpractical and far from accurate. I can spam a good deal from a scr clip, certainly not 19 times accurately. Same here, got a fast trigger finger but none of them will hit unless I'm so close to the target I might as well hug them Statements like yours are the reason I am skeptical of the claims who can max out the shots with just a finger and accurately. I can't, and I don't know anyone who isn't a braggart who claims they can. This is why I am skeptical that bringing the ScR to heel will "punish normal players who don't use modded controllers." Just look at the Scrambler pistol. It got its RoF nerfed and now shooting it is painful. It is impossible to hold your rhythm with the thing thanks to what seems to be some sort or random interval application to make the RoF what it is.This is the same situation which would hurt regular users. Modded controllers can be programmed to the exact rate of fire while anything below what a regular person is able to pull the trigger at turns into an awkward mess of not knowing if you are going to shoot or not. I think the real problem is that there are like three people in the world actually not using a moded controller with this and the combat rifle. Watch the kill feed and count the Scram kills. Better than 50% most games. The dps is off the chart and warping the game even more in favor of armor vs shields. Its time to fix this so we can go back to some diversity on the field. that and to be honest, I am personally tired of getting a suit with 750 EHP melted off in less than 1.5 seconds from insane range. Don't get us wrong, I'm sure we all want the Scrambler Rifle to be in-line with the other weapons, but it also needs to feel right. Currently, the weapon's firing mechanics feel right, it's the limiting factors on damage that need to be examined, which was one of the purposes with this data collection, to demonstrate that something was wrong with the heat buildup of the weapon (though the data is inconclusive on to how it generates heat, it is generating slightly more than it should). I'll get back to everyone when I get data for the TacAR for comparison. It would also be useful to know exactly what the multiplier on heat for the charge shot on the ScR is (If a Dev wants to weigh in here). Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. Vehicle Re-vamp Proposal
Sardonk Eternia Tiny Universe 351	Posted - 2015.07.12 23:11:00 - [29] - Quote Great great post! Thank you for taking the time to test this so thoroughly. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 321	Posted - 2015.07.13 03:52:00 - [30] - Quote Just got the SP to run TacAR, I should be able to test it vs the SCR with the scripts tomorrow Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. Vehicle Re-vamp Proposal

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