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Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 2	Posted - 2015.07.08 16:43:00 - [1] - Quote It's sad that it's easier to spot a cloak than it is to spot a uncloaked target from like a mile away. The blue shimmer just signals to my eyes "SHOOT HERE" where as the black drop suits are much harder to spot. Also, it's pretty funny that snipers from a different area code can easily head shot scouts. The cloak isn't for combat- I know The cloak is for moving around the map undetected right? Then why is it easier to spot cloaked targets than uncloaked at a distance? Solution: Buff cloak (reduce the shimmer) OR not buff the cloak- remove it- and give scouts a better bonus. "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 826	Posted - 2015.07.08 17:08:00 - [2] - Quote A bigger dampener bonus would be nice too. It sucks that logi gk0 can permascan you. The only way they can't is if you stack multiple dampeners but that's useless as you will die. A nice 15% damp would be good. CEO of 48th Special Operations Force Twitter-@48SOF Scout and Assault GK.0/Rattati and Scotsman GK.0
NextDark Knight Hellstorm LLC 835	Posted - 2015.07.08 17:13:00 - [3] - Quote Because everyone cried when they came out.. They got the Caldari Logi treatment. Over 60+ Million SP and full proto in all Caldari Suits. Dust just won't die on PS3/Xbox. Dustin since 6/29/2012
DeadlyAztec11 Defenders of the Helghast Dream 8	Posted - 2015.07.08 17:30:00 - [4] - Quote Then let's remove it. Instead of making the Cloak overpowered it makes more sense to remove it. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 2	Posted - 2015.07.08 17:40:00 - [5] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Then let's remove it. Instead of making the Cloak overpowered it makes more sense to remove it. And how is it overpowered? "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
No-one-ganks like-Gaston Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 177	Posted - 2015.07.08 17:41:00 - [6] - Quote Can't remember where he said it, but I believe it was Rattati that said the reason cloaks are so easy to spot at distance is because of the pixelation as you get further away. Reducing the shimmer of the cloak might help against snipers, but it would make it too easy to move around freely in close quarters, in my opinion. It's not something you can just slap some numbers on and fix.
Sicerly Yaw Corrosive Synergy No Context 559	Posted - 2015.07.08 17:42:00 - [7] - Quote stealth should be rewarded, no shimmer while crouch walking and cut down the delay in half when deactivating cloak beforehand click here if you are making a new account and want some free BPO's
No-one-ganks like-Gaston Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 177	Posted - 2015.07.08 17:44:00 - [8] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Then let's remove it. Instead of making the Cloak overpowered it makes more sense to remove it. And how is it overpowered? He didn't say the cloak is currently overpowered, he said that, instead of making the cloak overpowered, it should just be removed. But I don't really agree with removing it. I don't use it, personally, but outright taking it out of the game would be silly.
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 2	Posted - 2015.07.08 17:50:00 - [9] - Quote No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Then let's remove it. Instead of making the Cloak overpowered it makes more sense to remove it. And how is it overpowered? He didn't say the cloak is currently overpowered, he said that, instead of making the cloak overpowered, it should just be removed. But I don't really agree with removing it. I don't use it, personally, but outright taking it out of the game would be silly. Then how would it become overpowered? Because cloaked scouts can finally cross open ground without getting spotted by the whole enemy team? "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
DeadlyAztec11 Defenders of the Helghast Dream 8	Posted - 2015.07.08 18:50:00 - [10] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Then let's remove it. Instead of making the Cloak overpowered it makes more sense to remove it. And how is it overpowered? He didn't say the cloak is currently overpowered, he said that, instead of making the cloak overpowered, it should just be removed. But I don't really agree with removing it. I don't use it, personally, but outright taking it out of the game would be silly. Then how would it become overpowered? Because cloaked scouts can finally cross open ground without getting spotted by the whole enemy team? It would be overpowered because scouts could simply run straight to you in shoot in the face with a shotgun and there would be no way to spot them except to use a level V Gallente Logistics dropsuit with a level V focused scanner. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.

Petra 222 SoM Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 104	Posted - 2015.07.08 18:55:00 - [11] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Then let's remove it. Instead of making the Cloak overpowered it makes more sense to remove it. And how is it overpowered? He didn't say the cloak is currently overpowered, he said that, instead of making the cloak overpowered, it should just be removed. But I don't really agree with removing it. I don't use it, personally, but outright taking it out of the game would be silly. Then how would it become overpowered? Because cloaked scouts can finally cross open ground without getting spotted by the whole enemy team? It would be overpowered because scouts could simply run straight to you in shoot in the face with a shotgun and there would be no way to spot them except to use a level V Gallente Logistics dropsuit with a level V focused scanner. Currently they can myo melee without even decloacking but i dont see many complaints about that...
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.07.08 19:05:00 - [12] - Quote IMO, shimmer should be a function of speed and distance. Fast/Close = more shimmer Slow/Distance = less/no shimmer Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
2Berries Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 922	Posted - 2015.07.08 19:52:00 - [13] - Quote Funny, i thought they changed it. Last night watch a blue shadow run around me then completely disappear while standing still. Only reason i knew they stopped was from my red sights when searching for them. Tried it in the next match with an amarr assault hitting me with a RR while cloaked. I stopped & he kept shooting in from of me. Gave me enough time to slip slowly. He picked me up again when i started sprinting. Having a buddy test it, but explained it is your own fault if you die while coming to a complete stop during an engagement. Evening Boys, Hows the water?
manboar thunder fist Dead Man's Game 439	Posted - 2015.07.08 20:07:00 - [14] - Quote At the same time, IRS about situational use too, fight a squad of O.H ninja scouts who disappear when the cloak comes on and you literally cannot follow in the sunlight, and normally I rate myself a good eye for spotting cloaks :/ so that's fun "If there is a strafe nerf in this game, remove hit detection"- manboar 2014
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 2	Posted - 2015.07.09 14:31:00 - [15] - Quote yes. "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
Aidualc LATINOS KILLERS CORP RUST415 407	Posted - 2015.07.09 14:53:00 - [16] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: A bigger dampener bonus would be nice too. It sucks that logi gk0 can permascan you. The only way they can't is if you stack multiple dampeners but that's useless as you will die. A nice 15% damp would be good. GK scout with 2 complex dampers = no scan CK scout with 2 complex dampers and cloack = no scan ak scout with 3 complex dampers and cloack = no scan Mk scout with 3 complex dampers and cloack = SCAN !! So.. the only one who need a buff is Minmatar Scout, maybe +3% damp per level, proto will be 15%... and compensate the DB.. Also a Scout doesn't need get Tanked... if you are spoted you die... a real scout doesn't show in battle... only feel the knives or shot in the back. -- Ecce Initio -- Tomate Pote -- *Respectu, Honorem, Value, Unionem*******
Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 840	Posted - 2015.07.09 15:05:00 - [17] - Quote Aidualc wrote: Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: A bigger dampener bonus would be nice too. It sucks that logi gk0 can permascan you. The only way they can't is if you stack multiple dampeners but that's useless as you will die. A nice 15% damp would be good. GK scout with 2 complex dampers = no scan CK scout with 2 complex dampers and cloack = no scan ak scout with 3 complex dampers and cloack = no scan Mk scout with 3 complex dampers and cloack = SCAN !! So.. the only one who need a buff is Minmatar Scout, maybe +3% damp per level, proto will be 15%... and compensate the DB.. Also a Scout doesn't need get Tanked... if you are spoted you die... a real scout doesn't show in battle... only feel the knives or shot in the back. Who the hell used more than 1 damp??? That's why I always ohk scouts. Always add damps instead of hp. CEO of 48th Special Operations Force Twitter-@48SOF Scout and Assault GK.0/Rattati and Scotsman GK.0
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 2	Posted - 2015.07.10 10:22:00 - [18] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: Aidualc wrote: Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: A bigger dampener bonus would be nice too. It sucks that logi gk0 can permascan you. The only way they can't is if you stack multiple dampeners but that's useless as you will die. A nice 15% damp would be good. GK scout with 2 complex dampers = no scan CK scout with 2 complex dampers and cloack = no scan ak scout with 3 complex dampers and cloack = no scan Mk scout with 3 complex dampers and cloack = SCAN !! So.. the only one who need a buff is Minmatar Scout, maybe +3% damp per level, proto will be 15%... and compensate the DB.. Also a Scout doesn't need get Tanked... if you are spoted you die... a real scout doesn't show in battle... only feel the knives or shot in the back. Who the hell used more than 1 damp??? That's why I always ohk scouts. Always add damps instead of hp. WRONG, go hp. sad but true. Ever since they took the precision bonus from Cal Scout, my Cal Scouts went from like 300 EHP scouts to over 600 EHP scouts. "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 843	Posted - 2015.07.10 10:43:00 - [19] - Quote NextDark Knight wrote: Because everyone cried when they came out.. They got the Caldari Logi treatment. Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! When general audiences develop your game #258904 Saying what's on people's minds
Z3dog BIG BAD W0LVES 119	Posted - 2015.07.10 12:48:00 - [20] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: It's sad that it's easier to spot a cloak than it is to spot a uncloaked target from like a mile away. The blue shimmer just signals to my eyes "SHOOT HERE" where as the black drop suits are much harder to spot. Also, it's pretty funny that snipers from a different area code can easily head shot scouts. The cloak isn't for combat- I know The cloak is for moving around the map undetected right? Then why is it easier to spot cloaked targets than uncloaked at a distance? Solution: Buff cloak (reduce the shimmer) OR not buff the cloak- remove it- and give scouts a better bonus. If you aren't sitting 4 feet away from a tv displaying the game in its full 720p the cloak is VERY difficult to spot. Size of the tv screen is an important variable when determining how far away one is sitting. If the game is still too hard for you when you have an invisibility button maybe consider trying a different role. bandwidth lol And totally not p2w haha

Ghosts Chance Intara Direct Action Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.07.10 13:25:00 - [21] - Quote the cloaks havnt been changed, when they first came out all the scouts started with the "learn to spot us" "get gud" "learn situational awareness" well everyone took that advice.... so my only responce to this is learn to hide learn what LOS is and what blindspots are learn situational awareness Minmatar is Winmatar Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind" I am Chances Ghost
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 2	Posted - 2015.07.10 13:33:00 - [22] - Quote Z3dog wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: It's sad that it's easier to spot a cloak than it is to spot a uncloaked target from like a mile away. The blue shimmer just signals to my eyes "SHOOT HERE" where as the black drop suits are much harder to spot. Also, it's pretty funny that snipers from a different area code can easily head shot scouts. The cloak isn't for combat- I know The cloak is for moving around the map undetected right? Then why is it easier to spot cloaked targets than uncloaked at a distance? Solution: Buff cloak (reduce the shimmer) OR not buff the cloak- remove it- and give scouts a better bonus. If you aren't sitting 4 feet away from a tv displaying the game in its full 720p the cloak is VERY difficult to spot. Size of the tv screen is an important variable when determining how far away one is sitting. If the game is still too hard for you when you have an invisibility button maybe consider trying a different role. I sit 10-15 feet away from a nice 50 inch TV. I see them as clear as day. "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
Z3dog BIG BAD W0LVES 121	Posted - 2015.07.10 13:37:00 - [23] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Z3dog wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: It's sad that it's easier to spot a cloak than it is to spot a uncloaked target from like a mile away. The blue shimmer just signals to my eyes "SHOOT HERE" where as the black drop suits are much harder to spot. Also, it's pretty funny that snipers from a different area code can easily head shot scouts. The cloak isn't for combat- I know The cloak is for moving around the map undetected right? Then why is it easier to spot cloaked targets than uncloaked at a distance? Solution: Buff cloak (reduce the shimmer) OR not buff the cloak- remove it- and give scouts a better bonus. If you aren't sitting 4 feet away from a tv displaying the game in its full 720p the cloak is VERY difficult to spot. Size of the tv screen is an important variable when determining how far away one is sitting. If the game is still too hard for you when you have an invisibility button maybe consider trying a different role. I sit 10-15 feet away from a nice 50 inch TV. I see them as clear as day. Well there ya go. bandwidth lol And totally not p2w haha
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 2	Posted - 2015.07.10 13:40:00 - [24] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: the cloaks havnt been changed, when they first came out all the scouts started with the "learn to spot us" "get gud" "learn situational awareness" well everyone took that advice.... so my only responce to this is learn to hide learn what LOS is and what blindspots are learn situational awareness That isn't the problem. The problem is that the cloak is literally just as if not more visible than not cloaked. How is that even suppose to work? Also, don't forget that all it takes to spot a hidden standing still scouts is a quick spin of the cross hairs and Aim-Assist will target right onto them. There is nothing to learn in this. This has simply become routine in game not like you actually have to do it because they are visible as day. BTW, your so called situation awareness is horrid when you add in the fact that "Scouts" using cloak have their passive scans stripped from them. Either way, it's not like passive scans are even worth a damn. #Scanners Isn't the cloak there so you wouldn't get spotted in somebodies LOS?? "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 2	Posted - 2015.07.10 13:43:00 - [25] - Quote Z3dog wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Z3dog wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: It's sad that it's easier to spot a cloak than it is to spot a uncloaked target from like a mile away. The blue shimmer just signals to my eyes "SHOOT HERE" where as the black drop suits are much harder to spot. Also, it's pretty funny that snipers from a different area code can easily head shot scouts. The cloak isn't for combat- I know The cloak is for moving around the map undetected right? Then why is it easier to spot cloaked targets than uncloaked at a distance? Solution: Buff cloak (reduce the shimmer) OR not buff the cloak- remove it- and give scouts a better bonus. If you aren't sitting 4 feet away from a tv displaying the game in its full 720p the cloak is VERY difficult to spot. Size of the tv screen is an important variable when determining how far away one is sitting. If the game is still too hard for you when you have an invisibility button maybe consider trying a different role. I sit 10-15 feet away from a nice 50 inch TV. I see them as clear as day. Well there ya go. It's not my fault every Brazilian and their mother have a 140p 12 inch TV. "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
Z3dog BIG BAD W0LVES 121	Posted - 2015.07.10 13:56:00 - [26] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: That isn't the problem. The problem is that the cloak is literally just as if not more visible than not cloaked. How is that even suppose to work? That is completely incorrect. Don't exaggerate. Also. Sir Dukey wrote: It's not my fault every Brazilian and their mother have a 140p 12 inch TV. It is not a reasonable expectation for everyone to be playing the game in HD. For this reason the cloak never should have been put into the game. It makes it impossible to reconcile its effectiveness and its OPness to different people depending on their equipment. bandwidth lol And totally not p2w haha
Ghosts Chance Intara Direct Action Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.07.10 14:56:00 - [27] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: the cloaks havnt been changed, when they first came out all the scouts started with the "learn to spot us" "get gud" "learn situational awareness" well everyone took that advice.... so my only responce to this is learn to hide learn what LOS is and what blindspots are learn situational awareness That isn't the problem. The problem is that the cloak is literally just as if not more visible than not cloaked. How is that even suppose to work? Also, don't forget that all it takes to spot a hidden standing still scouts is a quick spin of the cross hairs and Aim-Assist will target right onto them. There is nothing to learn in this. This has simply become routine in game not like you actually have to do it because they are visible as day. BTW, your so called situation awareness is horrid when you add in the fact that "Scouts" using cloak have their passive scans stripped from them. Either way, it's not like passive scans are even worth a damn. #Scanners Isn't the cloak there so you wouldn't get spotted in somebodies LOS?? i think youve missed the point where cloaks are exactly as visable as they have always been and the old answer to "scouts are OP" has always been, use your eyes and shoot the glowy thing. NOW that people are actually DOING that... theres suddenly a problem with cloaks that diddnt exsist before? Minmatar is Winmatar Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind" I am Chances Ghost
Larkson Crazy Eye WarRavens D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 43	Posted - 2015.07.10 15:13:00 - [28] - Quote Most of the problem is there are a lot of stupid scouts out there now that everyone got their free glitched scout BPO. People think just because they are invisible their are invincible. They run straight threw a fire fight, down a narrow corridor where the entire enemy team is watching the door etc and wonder why they die. Cloaks are mostly good for blocking people's radar, not rushing into some one's face. People also do not have to see you to hit you, if you cross a fire fight stray rounds will easily kill your 200 shield 80hp suit without even meaning to. A lot of people seem to think just because you die the enemy saw you. This is not always true nor is every sniper to kill you going to get a head shot. They don't need to, most scouts die in one shot to a body hit any ways. What a sniper will generally notice is movement. So if your sprinting across the map at 8+ meters per second you have to expect a Predator like camo job not going to hold up.
Knight Soiaire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 6	Posted - 2015.07.10 16:21:00 - [29] - Quote It should make you completely invisible.
Genral69 death Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 424	Posted - 2015.07.10 16:34:00 - [30] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Then let's remove it. Instead of making the Cloak overpowered it makes more sense to remove it. And how is it overpowered? He didn't say the cloak is currently overpowered, he said that, instead of making the cloak overpowered, it should just be removed. But I don't really agree with removing it. I don't use it, personally, but outright taking it out of the game would be silly. Then how would it become overpowered? Because cloaked scouts can finally cross open ground without getting spotted by the whole enemy team? It would be overpowered because scouts could simply run straight to you in shoot in the face with a shotgun and there would be no way to spot them except to use a level V Gallente Logistics dropsuit with a level V focused scanner. Are you blind? Scouts are extremely easy to spot . Look for that moving object that doesn't quiet match the terrain . If in dought point your weapon in that direct and look for the red indicator https://dust514.com/recruit/R6VwQe/ Sign up today to Help get you and me get free stuff



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"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.

"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.

"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.

"If there is a strafe nerf in this game, remove hit detection"- manboar 2014

"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.

"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.

"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.

"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.

"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.