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Sir Dukey
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New Eden's Heros
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Posted - 2015.07.08 16:43:00 -
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It's sad that it's easier to spot a cloak than it is to spot a uncloaked target from like a mile away. The blue shimmer just signals to my eyes "SHOOT HERE" where as the black drop suits are much harder to spot. Also, it's pretty funny that snipers from a different area code can easily head shot scouts.
The cloak isn't for combat- I know
The cloak is for moving around the map undetected right? Then why is it easier to spot cloaked targets than uncloaked at a distance?
Solution: Buff cloak (reduce the shimmer)
OR not buff the cloak- remove it- and give scouts a better bonus.
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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Lightning35 Delta514
48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE
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Posted - 2015.07.08 17:08:00 -
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A bigger dampener bonus would be nice too. It sucks that logi gk0 can permascan you. The only way they can't is if you stack multiple dampeners but that's useless as you will die.
A nice 15% damp would be good.
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NextDark Knight
Hellstorm LLC
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Posted - 2015.07.08 17:13:00 -
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Because everyone cried when they came out.. They got the Caldari Logi treatment.
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DeadlyAztec11
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
8
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Posted - 2015.07.08 17:30:00 -
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Then let's remove it. Instead of making the Cloak overpowered it makes more sense to remove it.
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Sir Dukey
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New Eden's Heros
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Posted - 2015.07.08 17:40:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Then let's remove it. Instead of making the Cloak overpowered it makes more sense to remove it.
And how is it overpowered?
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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No-one-ganks like-Gaston
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
177
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Posted - 2015.07.08 17:41:00 -
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Can't remember where he said it, but I believe it was Rattati that said the reason cloaks are so easy to spot at distance is because of the pixelation as you get further away.
Reducing the shimmer of the cloak might help against snipers, but it would make it too easy to move around freely in close quarters, in my opinion. It's not something you can just slap some numbers on and fix. |
Sicerly Yaw
Corrosive Synergy
No Context
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Posted - 2015.07.08 17:42:00 -
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stealth should be rewarded, no shimmer while crouch walking and cut down the delay in half when deactivating cloak beforehand
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No-one-ganks like-Gaston
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
177
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Posted - 2015.07.08 17:44:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Then let's remove it. Instead of making the Cloak overpowered it makes more sense to remove it. And how is it overpowered?
He didn't say the cloak is currently overpowered, he said that, instead of making the cloak overpowered, it should just be removed.
But I don't really agree with removing it. I don't use it, personally, but outright taking it out of the game would be silly. |
Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN
New Eden's Heros
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Posted - 2015.07.08 17:50:00 -
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No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Then let's remove it. Instead of making the Cloak overpowered it makes more sense to remove it. And how is it overpowered? He didn't say the cloak is currently overpowered, he said that, instead of making the cloak overpowered, it should just be removed. But I don't really agree with removing it. I don't use it, personally, but outright taking it out of the game would be silly.
Then how would it become overpowered? Because cloaked scouts can finally cross open ground without getting spotted by the whole enemy team?
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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DeadlyAztec11
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
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Posted - 2015.07.08 18:50:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Then let's remove it. Instead of making the Cloak overpowered it makes more sense to remove it. And how is it overpowered? He didn't say the cloak is currently overpowered, he said that, instead of making the cloak overpowered, it should just be removed. But I don't really agree with removing it. I don't use it, personally, but outright taking it out of the game would be silly. Then how would it become overpowered? Because cloaked scouts can finally cross open ground without getting spotted by the whole enemy team?
It would be overpowered because scouts could simply run straight to you in shoot in the face with a shotgun and there would be no way to spot them except to use a level V Gallente Logistics dropsuit with a level V focused scanner.
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Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2015.07.08 18:55:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Then let's remove it. Instead of making the Cloak overpowered it makes more sense to remove it. And how is it overpowered? He didn't say the cloak is currently overpowered, he said that, instead of making the cloak overpowered, it should just be removed. But I don't really agree with removing it. I don't use it, personally, but outright taking it out of the game would be silly. Then how would it become overpowered? Because cloaked scouts can finally cross open ground without getting spotted by the whole enemy team? It would be overpowered because scouts could simply run straight to you in shoot in the face with a shotgun and there would be no way to spot them except to use a level V Gallente Logistics dropsuit with a level V focused scanner.
Currently they can myo melee without even decloacking but i dont see many complaints about that... |
One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.07.08 19:05:00 -
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IMO, shimmer should be a function of speed and distance.
Fast/Close = more shimmer
Slow/Distance = less/no shimmer
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Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.07.08 19:52:00 -
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Funny, i thought they changed it. Last night watch a blue shadow run around me then completely disappear while standing still. Only reason i knew they stopped was from my red sights when searching for them. Tried it in the next match with an amarr assault hitting me with a RR while cloaked. I stopped & he kept shooting in from of me. Gave me enough time to slip slowly. He picked me up again when i started sprinting. Having a buddy test it, but explained it is your own fault if you die while coming to a complete stop during an engagement.
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Posted - 2015.07.08 20:07:00 -
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At the same time, IRS about situational use too, fight a squad of O.H ninja scouts who disappear when the cloak comes on and you literally cannot follow in the sunlight, and normally I rate myself a good eye for spotting cloaks :/ so that's fun
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN
New Eden's Heros
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Posted - 2015.07.09 14:31:00 -
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yes.
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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Aidualc
LATINOS KILLERS CORP
RUST415
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Posted - 2015.07.09 14:53:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:A bigger dampener bonus would be nice too. It sucks that logi gk0 can permascan you. The only way they can't is if you stack multiple dampeners but that's useless as you will die.
A nice 15% damp would be good.
GK scout with 2 complex dampers = no scan 
CK scout with 2 complex dampers and cloack = no scan 
ak scout with 3 complex dampers and cloack = no scan 
Mk scout with 3 complex dampers and cloack = SCAN !!  
So.. the only one who need a buff is Minmatar Scout, maybe +3% damp per level, proto will be 15%... and compensate the DB..
Also a Scout doesn't need get Tanked... if you are spoted you die... a real scout doesn't show in battle... only feel the knives or shot in the back.
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Lightning35 Delta514
48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE
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Posted - 2015.07.09 15:05:00 -
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Aidualc wrote:Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:A bigger dampener bonus would be nice too. It sucks that logi gk0 can permascan you. The only way they can't is if you stack multiple dampeners but that's useless as you will die.
A nice 15% damp would be good. GK scout with 2 complex dampers = no scan CK scout with 2 complex dampers and cloack = no scan ak scout with 3 complex dampers and cloack = no scan Mk scout with 3 complex dampers and cloack = SCAN !! So.. the only one who need a buff is Minmatar Scout, maybe +3% damp per level, proto will be 15%... and compensate the DB.. Also a Scout doesn't need get Tanked... if you are spoted you die... a real scout doesn't show in battle... only feel the knives or shot in the back.
Who the hell used more than 1 damp??? That's why I always ohk scouts. Always add damps instead of hp.
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Sir Dukey
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New Eden's Heros
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Posted - 2015.07.10 10:22:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Aidualc wrote:Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:A bigger dampener bonus would be nice too. It sucks that logi gk0 can permascan you. The only way they can't is if you stack multiple dampeners but that's useless as you will die.
A nice 15% damp would be good. GK scout with 2 complex dampers = no scan CK scout with 2 complex dampers and cloack = no scan ak scout with 3 complex dampers and cloack = no scan Mk scout with 3 complex dampers and cloack = SCAN !! So.. the only one who need a buff is Minmatar Scout, maybe +3% damp per level, proto will be 15%... and compensate the DB.. Also a Scout doesn't need get Tanked... if you are spoted you die... a real scout doesn't show in battle... only feel the knives or shot in the back. Who the hell used more than 1 damp??? That's why I always ohk scouts. Always add damps instead of hp. WRONG, go hp.
sad but true. Ever since they took the precision bonus from Cal Scout, my Cal Scouts went from like 300 EHP scouts to over 600 EHP scouts.
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Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.07.10 10:43:00 -
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NextDark Knight wrote:Because everyone cried when they came out.. They got the Caldari Logi treatment.
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Z3dog
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Posted - 2015.07.10 12:48:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:It's sad that it's easier to spot a cloak than it is to spot a uncloaked target from like a mile away. The blue shimmer just signals to my eyes "SHOOT HERE" where as the black drop suits are much harder to spot. Also, it's pretty funny that snipers from a different area code can easily head shot scouts.
The cloak isn't for combat- I know
The cloak is for moving around the map undetected right? Then why is it easier to spot cloaked targets than uncloaked at a distance?
Solution: Buff cloak (reduce the shimmer)
OR not buff the cloak- remove it- and give scouts a better bonus.
If you aren't sitting 4 feet away from a tv displaying the game in its full 720p the cloak is VERY difficult to spot.
Size of the tv screen is an important variable when determining how far away one is sitting.
If the game is still too hard for you when you have an invisibility button maybe consider trying a different role.
bandwidth lol
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Ghosts Chance
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.10 13:25:00 -
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the cloaks havnt been changed, when they first came out all the scouts started with the "learn to spot us" "get gud" "learn situational awareness"
well everyone took that advice.... so my only responce to this is
learn to hide
learn what LOS is and what blindspots are
learn situational awareness
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Sir Dukey
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Posted - 2015.07.10 13:33:00 -
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Z3dog wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:It's sad that it's easier to spot a cloak than it is to spot a uncloaked target from like a mile away. The blue shimmer just signals to my eyes "SHOOT HERE" where as the black drop suits are much harder to spot. Also, it's pretty funny that snipers from a different area code can easily head shot scouts.
The cloak isn't for combat- I know
The cloak is for moving around the map undetected right? Then why is it easier to spot cloaked targets than uncloaked at a distance?
Solution: Buff cloak (reduce the shimmer)
OR not buff the cloak- remove it- and give scouts a better bonus.
If you aren't sitting 4 feet away from a tv displaying the game in its full 720p the cloak is VERY difficult to spot. Size of the tv screen is an important variable when determining how far away one is sitting. If the game is still too hard for you when you have an invisibility button maybe consider trying a different role.
I sit 10-15 feet away from a nice 50 inch TV. I see them as clear as day.
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Z3dog
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Posted - 2015.07.10 13:37:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Z3dog wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:It's sad that it's easier to spot a cloak than it is to spot a uncloaked target from like a mile away. The blue shimmer just signals to my eyes "SHOOT HERE" where as the black drop suits are much harder to spot. Also, it's pretty funny that snipers from a different area code can easily head shot scouts.
The cloak isn't for combat- I know
The cloak is for moving around the map undetected right? Then why is it easier to spot cloaked targets than uncloaked at a distance?
Solution: Buff cloak (reduce the shimmer)
OR not buff the cloak- remove it- and give scouts a better bonus.
If you aren't sitting 4 feet away from a tv displaying the game in its full 720p the cloak is VERY difficult to spot. Size of the tv screen is an important variable when determining how far away one is sitting. If the game is still too hard for you when you have an invisibility button maybe consider trying a different role. I sit 10-15 feet away from a nice 50 inch TV. I see them as clear as day.
Well there ya go.
bandwidth lol
And totally not p2w haha
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Sir Dukey
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Posted - 2015.07.10 13:40:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:the cloaks havnt been changed, when they first came out all the scouts started with the "learn to spot us" "get gud" "learn situational awareness"
well everyone took that advice.... so my only responce to this is
learn to hide
learn what LOS is and what blindspots are
learn situational awareness
That isn't the problem. The problem is that the cloak is literally just as if not more visible than not cloaked. How is that even suppose to work?
Also, don't forget that all it takes to spot a hidden standing still scouts is a quick spin of the cross hairs and Aim-Assist will target right onto them. There is nothing to learn in this. This has simply become routine in game not like you actually have to do it because they are visible as day.
BTW, your so called situation awareness is horrid when you add in the fact that "Scouts" using cloak have their passive scans stripped from them. Either way, it's not like passive scans are even worth a damn. #Scanners
Isn't the cloak there so you wouldn't get spotted in somebodies LOS??
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Sir Dukey
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New Eden's Heros
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Posted - 2015.07.10 13:43:00 -
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Z3dog wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Z3dog wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:It's sad that it's easier to spot a cloak than it is to spot a uncloaked target from like a mile away. The blue shimmer just signals to my eyes "SHOOT HERE" where as the black drop suits are much harder to spot. Also, it's pretty funny that snipers from a different area code can easily head shot scouts.
The cloak isn't for combat- I know
The cloak is for moving around the map undetected right? Then why is it easier to spot cloaked targets than uncloaked at a distance?
Solution: Buff cloak (reduce the shimmer)
OR not buff the cloak- remove it- and give scouts a better bonus.
If you aren't sitting 4 feet away from a tv displaying the game in its full 720p the cloak is VERY difficult to spot. Size of the tv screen is an important variable when determining how far away one is sitting. If the game is still too hard for you when you have an invisibility button maybe consider trying a different role. I sit 10-15 feet away from a nice 50 inch TV. I see them as clear as day. Well there ya go.
It's not my fault every Brazilian and their mother have a 140p 12 inch TV.
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Z3dog
BIG BAD W0LVES
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Posted - 2015.07.10 13:56:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:
That isn't the problem. The problem is that the cloak is literally just as if not more visible than not cloaked. How is that even suppose to work?
That is completely incorrect. Don't exaggerate.
Also.
Sir Dukey wrote:
It's not my fault every Brazilian and their mother have a 140p 12 inch TV.
It is not a reasonable expectation for everyone to be playing the game in HD.
For this reason the cloak never should have been put into the game. It makes it impossible to reconcile its effectiveness and its OPness to different people depending on their equipment.
bandwidth lol
And totally not p2w haha
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Ghosts Chance
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.10 14:56:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:the cloaks havnt been changed, when they first came out all the scouts started with the "learn to spot us" "get gud" "learn situational awareness"
well everyone took that advice.... so my only responce to this is
learn to hide
learn what LOS is and what blindspots are
learn situational awareness
That isn't the problem. The problem is that the cloak is literally just as if not more visible than not cloaked. How is that even suppose to work? Also, don't forget that all it takes to spot a hidden standing still scouts is a quick spin of the cross hairs and Aim-Assist will target right onto them. There is nothing to learn in this. This has simply become routine in game not like you actually have to do it because they are visible as day. BTW, your so called situation awareness is horrid when you add in the fact that "Scouts" using cloak have their passive scans stripped from them. Either way, it's not like passive scans are even worth a damn. #Scanners Isn't the cloak there so you wouldn't get spotted in somebodies LOS??
i think youve missed the point where cloaks are exactly as visable as they have always been and the old answer to "scouts are OP" has always been, use your eyes and shoot the glowy thing.
NOW that people are actually DOING that... theres suddenly a problem with cloaks that diddnt exsist before?
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WarRavens
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Posted - 2015.07.10 15:13:00 -
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Most of the problem is there are a lot of stupid scouts out there now that everyone got their free glitched scout BPO. People think just because they are invisible their are invincible. They run straight threw a fire fight, down a narrow corridor where the entire enemy team is watching the door etc and wonder why they die. Cloaks are mostly good for blocking people's radar, not rushing into some one's face. People also do not have to see you to hit you, if you cross a fire fight stray rounds will easily kill your 200 shield 80hp suit without even meaning to.
A lot of people seem to think just because you die the enemy saw you. This is not always true nor is every sniper to kill you going to get a head shot. They don't need to, most scouts die in one shot to a body hit any ways. What a sniper will generally notice is movement. So if your sprinting across the map at 8+ meters per second you have to expect a Predator like camo job not going to hold up. |
Knight Soiaire
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.07.10 16:21:00 -
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It should make you completely invisible. |
Genral69 death
Random Gunz
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Posted - 2015.07.10 16:34:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Then let's remove it. Instead of making the Cloak overpowered it makes more sense to remove it. And how is it overpowered? He didn't say the cloak is currently overpowered, he said that, instead of making the cloak overpowered, it should just be removed. But I don't really agree with removing it. I don't use it, personally, but outright taking it out of the game would be silly. Then how would it become overpowered? Because cloaked scouts can finally cross open ground without getting spotted by the whole enemy team? It would be overpowered because scouts could simply run straight to you in shoot in the face with a shotgun and there would be no way to spot them except to use a level V Gallente Logistics dropsuit with a level V focused scanner.
Are you blind?
Scouts are extremely easy to spot . Look for that moving object that doesn't quiet match the terrain . If in dought point your weapon in that direct and look for the red indicator
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Posted - 2015.07.10 16:44:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Aidualc wrote:Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:A bigger dampener bonus would be nice too. It sucks that logi gk0 can permascan you. The only way they can't is if you stack multiple dampeners but that's useless as you will die.
A nice 15% damp would be good. GK scout with 2 complex dampers = no scan CK scout with 2 complex dampers and cloack = no scan ak scout with 3 complex dampers and cloack = no scan Mk scout with 3 complex dampers and cloack = SCAN !! So.. the only one who need a buff is Minmatar Scout, maybe +3% damp per level, proto will be 15%... and compensate the DB.. Also a Scout doesn't need get Tanked... if you are spoted you die... a real scout doesn't show in battle... only feel the knives or shot in the back. Who the hell used more than 1 damp??? That's why I always ohk scouts. Always add damps instead of hp. WRONG, go hp.
You are right, low profile suit is only useful until engagement, and even if you gone trick your opponent and attack him first it do not guarantee you victory - this is the most insane part about being scout, you may easily flank enemy's but if they have more HP it was your waste of time..
Players who fit HP modules instead dampeners have advantage over enemy at all tree stages of engagement(before, while, after) and they are not force to do anything about it. Players who fit dampeners at the another hand have advantage at 'beginning' it allow them to pick solo-targets with is not easy because they always can be spotted by someone who is beyond they scan range, as soon engagement starts they do not have that extra HP that enemy usually have and they are on losing position, add to that all cloak effects like extremely long delays, decloak sound etc.
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Sylwester Dziewiecki
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Posted - 2015.07.10 16:54:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:the cloaks havnt been changed, when they first came out all the scouts started with the "learn to spot us" "get gud" "learn situational awareness"
well everyone took that advice.... so my only responce to this is
learn to hide
learn what LOS is and what blindspots are
learn situational awareness
You are wrong, cloaks were modified. Now they have some heavy -X% to scan range while Cloak is active with place Scouts in worst position then Sentinels, and Cloaks delays was extended as well, even when you just chose your cloak from radial menu and they switch to weapon.
Now it's nearly useless module.
The most break thing in all of this is DS3 aim-assist with is turn ON on cloaked players.
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DeadlyAztec11
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
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Posted - 2015.07.10 17:15:00 -
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Genral69 death wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:
It would be overpowered because scouts could simply run straight to you in shoot in the face with a shotgun and there would be no way to spot them except to use a level V Gallente Logistics dropsuit with a level V focused scanner.
Are you blind? Scouts are extremely easy to spot . Look for that moving object that doesn't quiet match the terrain . If in dought point your weapon in that direct and look for the red indicator I'm talking about if scouts were completely invisible, not the current level of visibility.
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Posted - 2015.07.10 17:17:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Genral69 death wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:
It would be overpowered because scouts could simply run straight to you in shoot in the face with a shotgun and there would be no way to spot them except to use a level V Gallente Logistics dropsuit with a level V focused scanner.
Are you blind? Scouts are extremely easy to spot . Look for that moving object that doesn't quiet match the terrain . If in dought point your weapon in that direct and look for the red indicator I'm talking about if scouts were completely invisible, not the current level of visibility.
The only way complete invisibility would work and be even remotely fair would be something like the scout couldn't sprint in the very least while cloaked. Perhaps even not walk, but just the crouching crawl. If you want to be 100% undetectable by any means, your going to have to sacrifice a lot of mobility imo. |
Ghosts Chance
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.10 17:23:00 -
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Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:the cloaks havnt been changed, when they first came out all the scouts started with the "learn to spot us" "get gud" "learn situational awareness"
well everyone took that advice.... so my only responce to this is
learn to hide
learn what LOS is and what blindspots are
learn situational awareness
You are wrong, cloaks were modified. Now they have some heavy -X% to scan range while Cloak is active with place Scouts in worst position then Sentinels, and Cloaks delays was extended as well, even when you just chose your cloak from radial menu and they switch to weapon. Now it's nearly useless module. The most break thing in all of this is DS3 aim-assist with is turn ON on cloaked players.
i think you missed the part where the thread was about the cloak apearance... not the stats.
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Posted - 2015.07.10 17:27:00 -
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Cloaks are ok. ppl who used them after introducing still udapted or stopped using them in unfair advontages.
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Kail Mako
Capital Acquisitions LLC
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Posted - 2015.07.10 22:34:00 -
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I think it's funny that it's easier to spot a cloak in the dark than it is when it's bright. I don't even bother hitting my cloak at night time because my scout suit is already harder to see.
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Ace Ravager
Horizons' Edge
No Context
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Posted - 2015.07.10 23:14:00 -
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Does everyone forget that the original purpose of the cloak is to allow scouts to run through open terrain without being spotted. The cloak was never working as intended. Before when we could de cloak and murder you and just leave was probably the only good times with the cloak. Even Then we were the easiest thing to spot but we could gank you and leave without being killed or scanned. Now with Gallogis with proto scanners running around everywhere our dampening is USELESS. Now cloaks are wasting data just like these 100+ dropsuits that we don't need. All we need is for scouts to be harder to spot really actually putting the tactical advantage back in using one. The fact that we have between 200-400 ehp makes an even better points. "Look at that glowing thing thats running around lets kill it, I'm pretty sure he can't defend himself.He's gonna be super easy to kill he has like no health." Probably what everyone thinks when they see a cloak.
Pros Of using Cloak:
None
Cons:
Easily Scanned by everybody (Especially Gallogis)
Easily Spotted
Can't defend due to delay
USES A LOT OF CPU/PG
Prevents Passive scans
We basically have NO reason to use a cloak but we continue to for no reason. I use the cloak frequently on my minja. When I get spotted They usually have long range weapons and also counting how this game uses client side hit detection, when I get behind cover using a cloak they will still set it as I'm running towards cover and gank me while I have no weapons. Even if I try to engage they can still kill seeing as though that ******* delay stop me from pulling out my Knives which are for CQC. But again I'm so easy to be spotted and scanned that I can't get near them.
CCP:
Cloak: Not working as intended
Cause: People complained about being ganked
Fix: Place delay make it the easiest **** to spot
Result: Still not working as intended.
Buffs Needed
Dampening Buff
Cut in Delay
As for the them to be spotted so easily, they should decrease the shimmer when running or they could make it so the cloak adapts to its surroundings making it like camo which can easily be looked by the naked eye which is what the cloak was supposed to be the effect of the cloak.
TL;DR: **** you, cloaks need major buffs
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN
New Eden's Heros
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Posted - 2015.07.11 17:44:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:the cloaks havnt been changed, when they first came out all the scouts started with the "learn to spot us" "get gud" "learn situational awareness"
well everyone took that advice.... so my only responce to this is
learn to hide
learn what LOS is and what blindspots are
learn situational awareness
That isn't the problem. The problem is that the cloak is literally just as if not more visible than not cloaked. How is that even suppose to work? Also, don't forget that all it takes to spot a hidden standing still scouts is a quick spin of the cross hairs and Aim-Assist will target right onto them. There is nothing to learn in this. This has simply become routine in game not like you actually have to do it because they are visible as day. BTW, your so called situation awareness is horrid when you add in the fact that "Scouts" using cloak have their passive scans stripped from them. Either way, it's not like passive scans are even worth a damn. #Scanners Isn't the cloak there so you wouldn't get spotted in somebodies LOS?? i think youve missed the point where cloaks are exactly as visable as they have always been and the old answer to "scouts are OP" has always been, use your eyes and shoot the glowy thing. NOW that people are actually DOING that... theres suddenly a problem with cloaks that diddnt exsist before?
Actually, this problem has existed for a long time but back in the day getting spotted wasn't much of a problem because you could just uncloak and fight back easily not with the delay and passive scan nerf using the cloak has become a chore due it's inability to do it's job (Hide me).
Not only that but many people didn't bother complain about the cloak- they simply stopped using it. I on the other hand dislike useless weapons,equipment, suits so I take it upon my self to bring the problem to the table. This problem has existed for quite a while.
Edit: back in the day, being too visible wasn't as much of a problem because the cloak could be used to do a lot more than just hide yourself. Now it's sole job is to conceal the user because it is almost completely useless in a combat scenario. Crossing open areas is what it is suppose to be used for but it sucks.
It's like a car- A luxury car is slow but it is super comfortable, after the nerf, the car is still slow but it's not comfortable
essentially what I am saying is pre-nerf there were advantages to using the cloak, now ,however, it has one job and it can't even do that effectively.
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Aeon Amadi
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.07.11 18:05:00 -
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Two variants of a cloak:
Variant A: Reduces visibility to next to nothing, retains the murdered scan range, no reduction to scan profile. You would use this to evade visual detection over long distances and open areas where physical visibility is more of a factor than TacNET visibility.
Variant B: Does not reduce visibility but instead provides a temporary reduction to scan profile. Something like 50% with short durations and long cool-downs to provide attacks of opportunity but not scan invulnerability for very long. It'd be something you'd want to use to get into or out of a situation.
This way Scouts have to make a choice: Do you want physical invisibility or do you want TacNET invisibility? Each would be circumstantial and situational, and while you can potentially have both on a Scout suit it'd be excruciatingly expensive on fitting costs to the point of impracticality.
I think this would be the best way to go about it.
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