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I-Shayz-I I----------I 5	Posted - 2015.07.08 00:51:00 - [1] - Quote Couldn't even kill a standard Caldari Assualt now that they can have 500 shields and 400 armor. Guess it's time to run an ASCR with a complex damage mod on my logi again. I'm not a fan of tiercide like this. More slots should mean more versatility, not "now I can fit 5 shield extenders" Most modules have stacking penalties for a reason. If you can't stack more than 3 myofibs, and stacking more than 3 of any other module is considered "worthless", then why is it okay to tank suits with insane amounts of HP? :/ Not like anyone uses Mass Drivers anyways. 7162 wp with a Repair Tool!
Veg Hegirin Dust University Ivy League 59	Posted - 2015.07.08 00:54:00 - [2] - Quote You couldn't snag kills with an AoE weapon, the horror
Golden Day Corrosive Synergy No Context 2	Posted - 2015.07.08 00:55:00 - [3] - Quote Ewww people run fits like that now?? Im just a glorified blueberry
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.07.08 00:57:00 - [4] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Couldn't even kill a standard Caldari Assualt now that they can have 500 shields and 400 armor. Guess it's time to run an ASCR with a complex damage mod on my logi again. I'm not a fan of tiercide like this. More slots should mean more versatility, not "now I can fit 5 shield extenders" Most modules have stacking penalties for a reason. If you can't stack more than 3 myofibs, and stacking more than 3 of any other module is considered "worthless", then why is it okay to tank suits with insane amounts of HP? :/ Not like anyone uses Mass Drivers anyways. MD is a killer as a support fire / or in tight places. People are stacking hp like crazy but MD wasn't used for open field engagements anyway. Ps. I see more and more jumping minmandos. Loyal to The State Member of State Protectorate // Belongs to Patriots power bloc Civire Bloodline
Piercing Serenity Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 1	Posted - 2015.07.08 00:58:00 - [5] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Couldn't even kill a standard Caldari Assualt now that they can have 500 shields and 400 armor. Guess it's time to run an ASCR with a complex damage mod on my logi again. I'm not a fan of tiercide like this. More slots should mean more versatility, not "now I can fit 5 shield extenders" Most modules have stacking penalties for a reason. If you can't stack more than 3 myofibs, and stacking more than 3 of any other module is considered "worthless", then why is it okay to tank suits with insane amounts of HP? :/ Not like anyone uses Mass Drivers anyways. What versatility? High slots have, what, five or six modules to choose from. Only three (basically) of them are generally useful: Shield Extenders, Shield Regulators/Energizers and Damage mods. If you want more versatility (Which I do as well), then you'll also need more useful high slot modules (Perhaps Codebreakers, range mods, etc). Personally, my low slots have seen more diversity due to this change. My high slots were already pretty diverse, but I'm not putting a useless precision enhancer on my fit just cause "For people who don't really do S**T, ya'll really doing the most" Lv. 1 Forum Warrior
I-Shayz-I I----------I 5	Posted - 2015.07.08 00:58:00 - [6] - Quote Veg Hegirin wrote: You couldn't snag kills with an AoE weapon, the horror Considering I completed the Krin's challenge with only a Mass Driver, and have footage of 50+ kill games with it... Yesterday I got at least 10-20 kills per game running it on a logi. So yeah, going an entire game without a single kill for me is saddening. 7162 wp with a Repair Tool!
Golden Day Corrosive Synergy No Context 2	Posted - 2015.07.08 01:05:00 - [7] - Quote Shayz have you tried jumpy md fits?? If not I suggest you use a caldari assault or minmatar assault with at least 2 myofibs and a cardiac Im just a glorified blueberry
No-one-ganks like-Gaston Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 159	Posted - 2015.07.08 01:09:00 - [8] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Veg Hegirin wrote: You couldn't snag kills with an AoE weapon, the horror Considering I completed the Krin's challenge with only a Mass Driver, and have footage of 50+ kill games with it... Yesterday I got at least 10-20 kills per game running it on a logi. So yeah, going an entire game without a single kill for me is saddening. Heck I can't even run my officer MDs since they broke the Logibros. Much like I said in another thread where someone was complaining they couldn't get kills with their scrambler rifle because people could actually withstand the hits. GOOD. If you aren't getting kills with your fit because the playing field has been leveled and lower tier suits don't die in two or three hits thanks to them being able to fit more and better mods, GOOD. You shouldn't be in here complaining you suddenly aren't getting all the kills you used to because 'those stupid noobs are stacking HP!' They're stacking HP because they kept getting one-shotted or killed without any time to react. And it's exactly because of what you said. 50 kills in a single game with only a single weapon. You don't see the problem there? That you basically, by yourself, wiped out nearly half of their clones? With one weapon? That you can't do that nearly as easy now is a good sign, to me.
Thor Odinson42 Negative-Feedback 6	Posted - 2015.07.08 01:10:00 - [9] - Quote Flux nade?
tal mrak-thanl Corrosive Synergy 1	Posted - 2015.07.08 01:57:00 - [10] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Flux nade? That's nice for guys that run MD on medium frames. What does the commando do? Director - Corrosive Synergy

Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6	Posted - 2015.07.08 01:59:00 - [11] - Quote I've actually been doing very well today with the MD on the MinMando today. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast & Blog www.biomassed.net
tal mrak-thanl Corrosive Synergy 1	Posted - 2015.07.08 02:01:00 - [12] - Quote I played for the first time in several weeks today and did alright with the aMD on the minmatar commando as well, but the opposition wasn't wearing Loldari. Director - Corrosive Synergy
Radiant Pancake3 Destinys Immortals Rise Of Legion. 280	Posted - 2015.07.08 02:04:00 - [13] - Quote No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: Veg Hegirin wrote: You couldn't snag kills with an AoE weapon, the horror Considering I completed the Krin's challenge with only a Mass Driver, and have footage of 50+ kill games with it... Yesterday I got at least 10-20 kills per game running it on a logi. So yeah, going an entire game without a single kill for me is saddening. Heck I can't even run my officer MDs since they broke the Logibros. Much like I said in another thread where someone was complaining they couldn't get kills with their scrambler rifle because people could actually withstand the hits. GOOD. If you aren't getting kills with your fit because the playing field has been leveled and lower tier suits don't die in two or three hits thanks to them being able to fit more and better mods, GOOD. You shouldn't be in here complaining you suddenly aren't getting all the kills you used to because 'those stupid noobs are stacking HP!' They're stacking HP because they kept getting one-shotted or killed without any time to react. And it's exactly because of what you said. 50 kills in a single game with only a single weapon. You don't see the problem there? That you basically, by yourself, wiped out nearly half of their clones? With one weapon? That you can't do that nearly as easy now is a good sign, to me. See why can't the humans be smart like this... Maybe then they would be worth having hope for. (No offence) Personal Manager of Destinys Immortals. Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ Minmatar Loyalist Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ
james rains D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 58	Posted - 2015.07.08 02:22:00 - [14] - Quote tal mrak-thanl wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Flux nade? That's nice for guys that run MD on medium frames. What does the commando do? Grow a pair. 21+ million SP. Only good assault ck.0 out there.
Sicerly Yaw Corrosive Synergy No Context 548	Posted - 2015.07.08 02:36:00 - [15] - Quote don't bother using anything other then the AM front line suit, you don't even need to fit anything on it as its stock features are enough to go up against proto players (if you have the skill, and I have seen you play so I think you do) I have consistently been getting over 15 kills with a positive KD with anywhere from 0-10 deaths per match with about 4 average (does it even matter? the suit is free) the heat buildup is more then manageable (for me at least) its worse at range then if you use the vanilla ScR but its better up close where you will mostly likely be fighting you could fit anything else that you want on it but it already has over 400 armor over 100 shields and you get a side arm (ScP) that can take most scouts out with a head shot (240+ damage) or a few body shots, the armor repair rate is the only complaint I can come up with as far as to how viable the suit is but since you wont be losing anything and still wreck infantry you can do without the mlt uplink is good to have in case nobody is placing them down (mlt uplink better then no uplink) or you can simply replace it for a hive if ammo becomes a problem you can still stack damage mods to do even more damage (as if you need it) this is all assuming you are running around in pubs as that is probably the only place it is worth using perhaps you could In FW if you have the skill (or don't want to lose any isk) fairly cheap improvements can be made basic mods are all you really need and it already has good stamina, you could place a core nade on it and troll people click here if you are making a new account and want some free BPO's
I-Shayz-I I----------I 5	Posted - 2015.07.08 02:39:00 - [16] - Quote Whatever You guys can have fun with a game where armor hitting rifles are the only viable weapons. I'm not complaining that I can't get 30 kills. I'm frustrated and sad that I can't manage a single one with a weapon that I've developed a lot of skill with to make DECENT where most players would never even give the weapon a chance. It's one thing when an overpowered weapon is indirectly neefed because something else was buffed. It's another when a weapon is made near useless from a point where it was mediocre at best before. 7162 wp with a Repair Tool!
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 11	Posted - 2015.07.08 02:44:00 - [17] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Whatever You guys can have fun with a game where armor hitting rifles are the only viable weapons. I'm not complaining that I can't get 30 kills. I'm frustrated and sad that I can't manage a single one with a weapon that I've developed a lot of skill with to make DECENT where most players would never even give the weapon a chance. It's one thing when an overpowered weapon is indirectly neefed because something else was buffed. It's another when a weapon is made near useless from a point where it was mediocre at best before. Agreed. Though I'm not sure what's more to blame, HP Creep or the state of the Mass Driver. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
No-one-ganks like-Gaston Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 164	Posted - 2015.07.08 03:07:00 - [18] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Whatever You guys can have fun with a game where armor hitting rifles are the only viable weapons. I'm not complaining that I can't get 30 kills. I'm frustrated and sad that I can't manage a single one with a weapon that I've developed a lot of skill with to make DECENT where most players would never even give the weapon a chance. It's one thing when an overpowered weapon is indirectly neefed because something else was buffed. It's another when a weapon is made near useless from a point where it was mediocre at best before. Hey, if you took the time to actually get good with a weapon, that's great. I'm not being sarcastic in the slightest. I wish actual skill development with preferred weapons were a thing with more players than chasing flavor of the month fits for easy kills. I apologize if I came off like I was saying you were whining about your weapon not being good anymore, or your kills being taken away from you. I said what I did to imply that the Mass Driver did so well because the eHP of a lower tier suits couldn't match the quick damage output or escape the splash damage, not to imply anything about your level of skill or maturity. The game has changed, though, and your current playstyle isn't as viable as it used to be. You can either work harder and experiment to make it viable again, or you can switch it up and work with something else.
Thor Odinson42 Negative-Feedback 6	Posted - 2015.07.08 03:42:00 - [19] - Quote I wasn't trying to be smart. I used to run the MD 100% of the time way back in the day. I was useless without flux nades.
emm kay Direct Action Resources 355	Posted - 2015.07.08 03:57:00 - [20] - Quote Veg Hegirin wrote: You couldn't snag kills with an AoE weapon, the horror This. i was getting plenty of kills earlier with the md. Plus he's complaining about lower teir suits, expecting to stomp. There is a reason you never see me in battle. it's because I see you first.

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 12	Posted - 2015.07.08 04:04:00 - [21] - Quote Damn, that really sucks. I'd suggest using an anti-shield sidearm with flux grenades, though I'm sure you already thought of that. The weapon might need a buff, though I think things should be allowed to settle for a while over a week or two to fully assess the balance situation before any drastic changes. Gû¦Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum altGû+
Scheneighnay McBob Penumbra or something 7	Posted - 2015.07.08 04:05:00 - [22] - Quote You suck. The MD is my favorite weapon. Has a ton of range if you know what you're doing, too. I can hit pretty consistently at or exceeding RR range The anti-tunnel snake taskforce has assembled
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.07.08 04:33:00 - [23] - Quote Uhhhh. How the hell are you NOT getting mass driver kills??? WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
tal mrak-thanl Corrosive Synergy 1	Posted - 2015.07.08 04:49:00 - [24] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Uhhhh. How the hell are you NOT getting mass driver kills??? Probably because he had a few bad matches. He is right that the new slot layout will change the dynamic of confronting skilled Caldari players, especially since the Caldari assault is the most used fit in the game. Director - Corrosive Synergy
Sned TheDead Failures inc. 413	Posted - 2015.07.08 05:03:00 - [25] - Quote tal mrak-thanl wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Flux nade? That's nice for guys that run MD on medium frames. What does the commando do? run both an anti shield, and and anti armour weapon, its not that complex.... Cleaning up the mess everyone leaves behind :)
Radiant Pancake3 Destinys Immortals Rise Of Legion. 281	Posted - 2015.07.08 05:18:00 - [26] - Quote Sned TheDead wrote: tal mrak-thanl wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Flux nade? That's nice for guys that run MD on medium frames. What does the commando do? run both an anti shield, and and anti armour weapon, its not that complex.... Shhh you're suppose to be dead... that info is majestic! Personal Manager of Destinys Immortals. Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ Minmatar Loyalist Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ
I-Shayz-I I----------I 5	Posted - 2015.07.08 05:22:00 - [27] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: You suck. The MD is my favorite weapon. Has a ton of range if you know what you're doing, too. I can hit pretty consistently at or exceeding RR range Oh yeah. It was how I grinded out 125 assists yesterday by firing like artillery into the groups of enemies in ambush while the RRs picked them off when they got weak. I've used the Mass Driver so much that the arc is programmed into my muscle memory for how far I need to aim upwards to hit an opponent at any distance on flat ground. But when the entire team is literally just shield tanked assaults and sentinels, it's embarassing and sad to realize that the meta changed and your favorite weapon is no longer something you can use to be effective enough to even just defend yourself or help your team. 7162 wp with a Repair Tool!
Squagga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 864	Posted - 2015.07.08 05:22:00 - [28] - Quote Lemme get this straight, you're pissed because you used a weapon that's good against armor, against shields. And, are upset it didn't work? Shields, the silent killer.
Sned TheDead Failures inc. 413	Posted - 2015.07.08 05:23:00 - [29] - Quote Radiant Pancake3 wrote: Sned TheDead wrote: tal mrak-thanl wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Flux nade? That's nice for guys that run MD on medium frames. What does the commando do? run both an anti shield, and and anti armour weapon, its not that complex.... Shhh you're suppose to be dead... that info is majestic! no. that info is basic common sense, not even logic, just common sense. having trouble with shields? anti shield. having trouble with armour? anti armour. or scr, cuz op. Cleaning up the mess everyone leaves behind :)
tal mrak-thanl Corrosive Synergy 1	Posted - 2015.07.08 05:26:00 - [30] - Quote Sned TheDead wrote: tal mrak-thanl wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Flux nade? That's nice for guys that run MD on medium frames. What does the commando do? run both an anti shield, and and anti armour weapon, its not that complex.... I won't be running an assault, laser, or scrambler rifle on a minmatar commando. The benefits of having shield and armor based weaponry equipped do not outweigh the synergy of racial light weapons being coupled with their corresponding commando bonus. Director - Corrosive Synergy

I-Shayz-I I----------I 5	Posted - 2015.07.08 05:45:00 - [31] - Quote Squagga wrote: Lemme get this straight, you're pissed because you used a weapon that's good against armor, against shields. And, are upset it didn't work? I'm sorry, I have at least 1000 mass driver kills against shield suits, everything from Caldari Sentinels to Scouts with 400 HP. You just don't normally see huge amounts of shields unless they are running proto. Whenever I would run into the rare proto Caldari Assault I would just ignore them and run away. But now literally any suit is capable of 400+ shields with excess armor, and I wasn't expecting everyone and their mother to run these 900+ ehp suits So what am I supposed to do? Give in to a rifle that I don't like? No matter what suit they run they will always have a layer of shields, and shield killing weapons can't do ** about the layer of 500+ armor that everyone has. The Mass Driver used to be extremly useful for bursting through that armor after the 200-300 shields on most suits. I used it for that ability, to hit around corners, destroy equipment, and of course to scare enemies out of hiding as a support weapon for my teammates. But 400? 500? That was not a common number to see everywhere. I play to have fun, not just to skill into the most OP fit that everyone else is using simply because it's good against the meta. If there was a mass driver weapon that did extra damage to shields then of course I'd switch to that if I saw everyone using shield suits. But there isnt, so I can't do that like someone who enjoys long-range rifles who would be able switch from the RR to the SR and keep the same relative playstyle. 7162 wp with a Repair Tool!**
maybe deadcatz Horizons' Edge No Context 290	Posted - 2015.07.08 06:24:00 - [32] - Quote No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: Veg Hegirin wrote: You couldn't snag kills with an AoE weapon, the horror Considering I completed the Krin's challenge with only a Mass Driver, and have footage of 50+ kill games with it... Yesterday I got at least 10-20 kills per game running it on a logi. So yeah, going an entire game without a single kill for me is saddening. Heck I can't even run my officer MDs since they broke the Logibros. Much like I said in another thread where someone was complaining they couldn't get kills with their scrambler rifle because people could actually withstand the hits. GOOD. If you aren't getting kills with your fit because the playing field has been leveled and lower tier suits don't die in two or three hits thanks to them being able to fit more and better mods, GOOD. You shouldn't be in here complaining you suddenly aren't getting all the kills you used to because 'those stupid noobs are stacking HP!' They're stacking HP because they kept getting one-shotted or killed without any time to react. And it's exactly because of what you said. 50 kills in a single game with only a single weapon. You don't see the problem there? That you basically, by yourself, wiped out nearly half of their clones? With one weapon? That you can't do that nearly as easy now is a good sign, to me. Cough cough,preach it brother! Ewar? What's that? Some kind of new crutch? Learn how to use your eyes and ears you maggots. Batteskirts for the win!!
Sned TheDead Failures inc. 413	Posted - 2015.07.08 12:26:00 - [33] - Quote tal mrak-thanl wrote: Sned TheDead wrote: tal mrak-thanl wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Flux nade? That's nice for guys that run MD on medium frames. What does the commando do? run both an anti shield, and and anti armour weapon, its not that complex.... I won't be running an assault, laser, or scrambler rifle on a minmatar commando. The benefits of having shield and armor based weaponry equipped do not outweigh the synergy of racial light weapons being coupled with their corresponding commando bonus. unless you are not capable of doing what you need even with the racial bonus. I am not saying dont use it, I am saying have a fit set up for when it is useful to have the racial bonus, and to have a fit set up for when the racial bonus means jack squat against the enemies you are fighting. min maxing works best when you have advantage, and sometimes you don't, and when that happens you have to adapt. Cleaning up the mess everyone leaves behind :)
7 Djin The Hundred Acre Hood Rise Of Legion. 62	Posted - 2015.07.08 12:32:00 - [34] - Quote I would like to hijack this thread and say that unless you're getting head shots the shotty needs a bit of a damage buff Mass driver has the same problem and that's standard suits running around with almost 900 ehp.
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 1	Posted - 2015.07.08 13:39:00 - [35] - Quote adapt or gtfo
Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 824	Posted - 2015.07.08 14:09:00 - [36] - Quote It is good how they are now. They are worth it. Look at this. Gk.0 Creodron breach assault rifle Boundless breach smg Core NADE Pro scanner 3 pro ferroscale 2 pro rep 3 Krins mods Compare that to this fit- Assault g-1 Breach ar Breach smg Locus nade 3 basic ferro 2 basic rep Basic scan 3 Krins Which is better? The proto one. The only thing that the slots did was just make running lower gear better. High tiered stuff is still better. Stop whining, use flux and md and GET GUD lmao CEO of 48th Special Operations Force Twitter-@48SOF Scout and Assault GK.0/Rattati and Scotsman GK.0
Alcina Nektaria KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 31	Posted - 2015.07.08 14:11:00 - [37] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: You guys can have fun with a game where armor hitting rifles are the only viable weapons. I'd like to point out that armor is the last layer of defense, I'm not sure if you realize that. If you kill someone by taking out their shield then the mechanics of the game are seriously broken. The way this game is truly meant to be played is this: have one weapon (either main or sidearm or some type of grenade) that takes shield down, then have another that damages armor. Its just a matter of getting the combo that fits you well, not using the flavor of the month and then *** when it gets balanced. By all means, fine if you want to use those too op weapons to prove a point to CCP, but don't complain once your exploits have shown them what they need to do to balance them out. KEQ Diplomat** Gallente Loyalist ... Come at me bro.
Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 825	Posted - 2015.07.08 14:19:00 - [38] - Quote Alcina Nektaria wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: You guys can have fun with a game where armor hitting rifles are the only viable weapons. I'd like to point out that armor is the last layer of defense, I'm not sure if you realize that. If you kill someone by taking out their shield then the mechanics of the game are seriously broken. The way this game is truly meant to be played is this: have one weapon (either main or sidearm or some type of grenade) that takes shield down, then have another that damages armor. Its just a matter of getting the combo that fits you well, not using the flavor of the month and then ***** when it gets balanced. By all means, fine if you want to use those too op weapons to prove a point to CCP, but don't complain once your exploits have shown them what they need to do to balance them out. Breach assault rifle plus breach smg plus nades is the best combo in game. CEO of 48th Special Operations Force Twitter-@48SOF Scout and Assault GK.0/Rattati and Scotsman GK.0
BARAGAMOS Kinsho Swords Caldari State 70	Posted - 2015.07.08 14:21:00 - [39] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Whatever You guys can have fun with a game where armor hitting rifles are the only viable weapons. I'm not complaining that I can't get 30 kills. I'm frustrated and sad that I can't manage a single one with a weapon that I've developed a lot of skill with to make DECENT where most players would never even give the weapon a chance. It's one thing when an overpowered weapon is indirectly nerfed because something else was buffed. It's another when a weapon is made near useless from a point where it was mediocre at best before. As a logi my primary goal is not kills anyways. Most matches the kills I get are simply defending a position or pushing back the enemy from their encampment of nanohives and cover. Generally the alpha damage kills players that don't react to it properly, or don't think I can hit them accurately. The fact that this weapon takes 4-15 seconds to kill someone if you land every shot means the enemy usually has plenty of time to run away if they engage me first. There is no "instantly killing" someone with this weapon like you can burst down a mlt suit with an ACR in half a second. (i mean unless you can direct him them 2-3 times in a row...but that's still 2-3 full seconds and a **** ton of luck) Dude WTF are you talking about.???? This is an overpowered weapon and its not really a skill weapon...its an area suppressor. By that I mean noob gun for guys with no aim and usually jump boots on. That thing kills most guys before they even have time to react. You have already fired 4 shots before the first one hits , and by then its too late to move. Honestly, this weapon just need to betaken out anyway. The map designs and roof camping with noobs in commando suits using it ruin more than a fair share of games. So sorry you can't just spam the trigger from a roof and get kills...how about you actually try using a rifle...you know like the game was supposed to be played? Also, Cals are not the issue. Armor is the stacking issue. No more Cals on the field than there were a week ago and unless you are running proto fit you don't have the PG to any more shields even with the slots.
Alcina Nektaria KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 31	Posted - 2015.07.08 14:24:00 - [40] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: Alcina Nektaria wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: You guys can have fun with a game where armor hitting rifles are the only viable weapons. I'd like to point out that armor is the last layer of defense, I'm not sure if you realize that. If you kill someone by taking out their shield then the mechanics of the game are seriously broken. The way this game is truly meant to be played is this: have one weapon (either main or sidearm or some type of grenade) that takes shield down, then have another that damages armor. Its just a matter of getting the combo that fits you well, not using the flavor of the month and then *** when it gets balanced. By all means, fine if you want to use those too op weapons to prove a point to CCP, but don't complain once your exploits have shown them what they need to do to balance them out. Breach assault rifle plus breach smg plus nades is the best combo in game. I am 100% in love with the Breach Assault Rifle. Personally, I run Breach AR, Core Nades, and Flaylock Pistol on my Gal Assault. I also like the Tac and dare i say the regular Assault Rifle KEQ Diplomat** Gallente Loyalist ... Come at me bro.

Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.07.08 14:25:00 - [41] - Quote Fitting diversity at lower tiers is a problem. This is because a number of modules, that are fine at proto, are substandard at basic. Kincats are poor at advanced and basic, with ridiculous fitting costs. Shield regulators are barely worth it below complex. Shield rechargers/energisers need a buff in general. Range amps are worthless at all tiers. Get rid of the inner scan ring. Damps are kind of rubbish unless you are a scout due to the Gal logi bonus. Still, I'm surprised people are stacking shields that high, considering they compete with damage mods. Get some flux grenades involved.
BARAGAMOS Kinsho Swords Caldari State 70	Posted - 2015.07.08 14:29:00 - [42] - Quote tal mrak-thanl wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Uhhhh. How the hell are you NOT getting mass driver kills??? Probably because he had a few bad matches. He is right that the new slot layout will change the dynamic of confronting skilled Caldari players, especially since the Caldari assault is the most used fit in the game. WTF again..... CAL is not nearly the most used assault suit. lol They are virtually extinct, and again THERE IS NO MORE PG AVAILABLE TO ADD SHIELDS>>>> So, you can add 10 more high slots. They are not adding shields.
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.07.08 14:30:00 - [43] - Quote tal mrak-thanl wrote: Sned TheDead wrote: tal mrak-thanl wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Flux nade? That's nice for guys that run MD on medium frames. What does the commando do? run both an anti shield, and and anti armour weapon, its not that complex.... I won't be running an assault, laser, or scrambler rifle on a minmatar commando. The benefits of having shield and armor based weaponry equipped do not outweigh the synergy of racial light weapons being coupled with their corresponding commando bonus. Actually, I think you'll find that running an anti shield weapon is better than using your racial weapon against shields, taking the damage bonus into account.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 6	Posted - 2015.07.08 14:37:00 - [44] - Quote I run Sentinels with 25% Explosive resistance and over 1000 HP, and I still have to clear out of areas because they are being covered by a Mass Driver. - When you are taking damage from a Mass Driver there is no indication of which direction the shot came from, so it is much more difficult to locate and engage the shooter. - Mass Drivers can damage you even when you are hiding behind cover. You can't just hunker down. You need to clear the area. Usually I don't get killed by the Mass Driver, but they keep my Shields down and damage faster than my Armor can Rep, so I can't recover. So it is usually a Rifle or Sniper who takes me out, but they usually would not have been able to without the Mass Driver preventing me from recovering. The Mass Driver is an effective support and Area denial weapon. When used right it prevents the enemy from recovering and whittles them down so your Squad mates can take them out. Sometimes if you can pound on them long enough, or they area already low health, then you will get a kill with it. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Kiiran-B Seraphim Initiative. 231	Posted - 2015.07.08 16:41:00 - [45] - Quote The problem isn't how much damage your weapon does against shield, because its meant to protect against explosions (obvious enough right?) The true problem is the ability to dual tank. Suggestion: buff Shields regen and delays, add severe penalties to Caldari using armour (same vice versa for Amarr and gallente.) so that there is no point in running it with Armor plates, something like half effective HP double penalty to movement speed. But since armour is superior to shield anyway, the shield buff would need to be great, like I said hp regen increase, depleted/standard delay decrease, leave HP the same and maybe make Caldari suits have a tiny bit faster movement speed?
Alcina Nektaria KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 31	Posted - 2015.07.08 17:58:00 - [46] - Quote Kiiran-B wrote: The problem isn't how much damage your weapon does against shield, because its meant to protect against explosions (obvious enough right?) The true problem is the ability to dual tank. Suggestion: buff Shields regen and delays, add severe penalties to Caldari using armour (same vice versa for Amarr and gallente.) so that there is no point in running it with Armor plates, something like half effective HP double penalty to movement speed. But since armour is superior to shield anyway, the shield buff would need to be great, like I said hp regen increase, depleted/standard delay decrease, leave HP the same and maybe make Caldari suits have a tiny bit faster movement speed? I agree and I feel as though the people who dual tank aren't even utilizing the suits to their max ability, in a way they are being limited. If CCP were smart, they would add the same penalty that they do in EVE for ships that dual tank: SUPER SLOW SPEEDS. It makes sense that if you are dual tanking, that you would have to be extremely slow, allowing easier picking off at a range, js. *KEQ Diplomat* Gallente Loyalist ... Come at me bro.
Kiiran-B Seraphim Initiative. 231	Posted - 2015.07.08 22:09:00 - [47] - Quote Alcina Nektaria wrote: Kiiran-B wrote: The problem isn't how much damage your weapon does against shield, because its meant to protect against explosions (obvious enough right?) The true problem is the ability to dual tank. Suggestion: buff Shields regen and delays, add severe penalties to Caldari using armour (same vice versa for Amarr and gallente.) so that there is no point in running it with Armor plates, something like half effective HP double penalty to movement speed. But since armour is superior to shield anyway, the shield buff would need to be great, like I said hp regen increase, depleted/standard delay decrease, leave HP the same and maybe make Caldari suits have a tiny bit faster movement speed? I agree and I feel as though the people who dual tank aren't even utilizing the suits to their max ability, in a way they are being limited. If CCP were smart, they would add the same penalty that they do in EVE for ships that dual tank: SUPER SLOW SPEEDS. It makes sense that if you are dual tanking, that you would have to be extremely slow, allowing easier picking off at a range, js. Precisely. Dust needs to take more of a influence on how suits and weapons work from eve, even though they are completely different games. Hybrid weapons are also a problem. True teamwork would benefit from specialised weaponry I.e rail rifles do 50% against shield, scrams do 50% against armour needing cooperation to take down a target. But I guess dust and it's community aren't ready for that yet. Although whether that would even work on a shooter is debatable.
Ronin Merc Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 40	Posted - 2015.07.08 23:37:00 - [48] - Quote I'm a commando. I use a mass driver and combat rifle.


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