DUST Search - Went 0/7 with my Mass Driver today

No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote:

I-Shayz-I wrote:

Veg Hegirin wrote:

You couldn't snag kills with an AoE weapon, the horror

Considering I completed the Krin's challenge with only a Mass Driver, and have footage of 50+ kill games with it...

Yesterday I got at least 10-20 kills per game running it on a logi. So yeah, going an entire game without a single kill for me is saddening.

Heck I can't even run my officer MDs since they broke the Logibros.

Much like I said in another thread where someone was complaining they couldn't get kills with their scrambler rifle because people could actually withstand the hits.

GOOD. If you aren't getting kills with your fit because the playing field has been leveled and lower tier suits don't die in two or three hits thanks to them being able to fit more and better mods, GOOD. You shouldn't be in here complaining you suddenly aren't getting all the kills you used to because 'those stupid noobs are stacking HP!' They're stacking HP because they kept getting one-shotted or killed without any time to react. And it's exactly because of what you said. 50 kills in a single game with only a single weapon. You don't see the problem there? That you basically, by yourself, wiped out nearly half of their clones? With one weapon?

That you can't do that nearly as easy now is a good sign, to me.

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I-Shayz-I I----------I 5	Posted - 2015.07.08 00:51:00 - [1] - Quote Couldn't even kill a standard Caldari Assualt now that they can have 500 shields and 400 armor. Guess it's time to run an ASCR with a complex damage mod on my logi again. I'm not a fan of tiercide like this. More slots should mean more versatility, not "now I can fit 5 shield extenders" Most modules have stacking penalties for a reason. If you can't stack more than 3 myofibs, and stacking more than 3 of any other module is considered "worthless", then why is it okay to tank suits with insane amounts of HP? :/ Not like anyone uses Mass Drivers anyways. 7162 wp with a Repair Tool!
Veg Hegirin Dust University Ivy League 59	Posted - 2015.07.08 00:54:00 - [2] - Quote You couldn't snag kills with an AoE weapon, the horror
Golden Day Corrosive Synergy No Context 2	Posted - 2015.07.08 00:55:00 - [3] - Quote Ewww people run fits like that now?? Im just a glorified blueberry
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.07.08 00:57:00 - [4] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Couldn't even kill a standard Caldari Assualt now that they can have 500 shields and 400 armor. Guess it's time to run an ASCR with a complex damage mod on my logi again. I'm not a fan of tiercide like this. More slots should mean more versatility, not "now I can fit 5 shield extenders" Most modules have stacking penalties for a reason. If you can't stack more than 3 myofibs, and stacking more than 3 of any other module is considered "worthless", then why is it okay to tank suits with insane amounts of HP? :/ Not like anyone uses Mass Drivers anyways. MD is a killer as a support fire / or in tight places. People are stacking hp like crazy but MD wasn't used for open field engagements anyway. Ps. I see more and more jumping minmandos. Loyal to The State Member of State Protectorate // Belongs to Patriots power bloc Civire Bloodline
Piercing Serenity Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 1	Posted - 2015.07.08 00:58:00 - [5] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Couldn't even kill a standard Caldari Assualt now that they can have 500 shields and 400 armor. Guess it's time to run an ASCR with a complex damage mod on my logi again. I'm not a fan of tiercide like this. More slots should mean more versatility, not "now I can fit 5 shield extenders" Most modules have stacking penalties for a reason. If you can't stack more than 3 myofibs, and stacking more than 3 of any other module is considered "worthless", then why is it okay to tank suits with insane amounts of HP? :/ Not like anyone uses Mass Drivers anyways. What versatility? High slots have, what, five or six modules to choose from. Only three (basically) of them are generally useful: Shield Extenders, Shield Regulators/Energizers and Damage mods. If you want more versatility (Which I do as well), then you'll also need more useful high slot modules (Perhaps Codebreakers, range mods, etc). Personally, my low slots have seen more diversity due to this change. My high slots were already pretty diverse, but I'm not putting a useless precision enhancer on my fit just cause "For people who don't really do S**T, ya'll really doing the most" Lv. 1 Forum Warrior
I-Shayz-I I----------I 5	Posted - 2015.07.08 00:58:00 - [6] - Quote Veg Hegirin wrote: You couldn't snag kills with an AoE weapon, the horror Considering I completed the Krin's challenge with only a Mass Driver, and have footage of 50+ kill games with it... Yesterday I got at least 10-20 kills per game running it on a logi. So yeah, going an entire game without a single kill for me is saddening. 7162 wp with a Repair Tool!
Golden Day Corrosive Synergy No Context 2	Posted - 2015.07.08 01:05:00 - [7] - Quote Shayz have you tried jumpy md fits?? If not I suggest you use a caldari assault or minmatar assault with at least 2 myofibs and a cardiac Im just a glorified blueberry
No-one-ganks like-Gaston Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 159	Posted - 2015.07.08 01:09:00 - [8] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Veg Hegirin wrote: You couldn't snag kills with an AoE weapon, the horror Considering I completed the Krin's challenge with only a Mass Driver, and have footage of 50+ kill games with it... Yesterday I got at least 10-20 kills per game running it on a logi. So yeah, going an entire game without a single kill for me is saddening. Heck I can't even run my officer MDs since they broke the Logibros. Much like I said in another thread where someone was complaining they couldn't get kills with their scrambler rifle because people could actually withstand the hits. GOOD. If you aren't getting kills with your fit because the playing field has been leveled and lower tier suits don't die in two or three hits thanks to them being able to fit more and better mods, GOOD. You shouldn't be in here complaining you suddenly aren't getting all the kills you used to because 'those stupid noobs are stacking HP!' They're stacking HP because they kept getting one-shotted or killed without any time to react. And it's exactly because of what you said. 50 kills in a single game with only a single weapon. You don't see the problem there? That you basically, by yourself, wiped out nearly half of their clones? With one weapon? That you can't do that nearly as easy now is a good sign, to me.
Thor Odinson42 Negative-Feedback 6	Posted - 2015.07.08 01:10:00 - [9] - Quote Flux nade?
tal mrak-thanl Corrosive Synergy 1	Posted - 2015.07.08 01:57:00 - [10] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Flux nade? That's nice for guys that run MD on medium frames. What does the commando do? Director - Corrosive Synergy

Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6	Posted - 2015.07.08 01:59:00 - [11] - Quote I've actually been doing very well today with the MD on the MinMando today. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast & Blog www.biomassed.net
tal mrak-thanl Corrosive Synergy 1	Posted - 2015.07.08 02:01:00 - [12] - Quote I played for the first time in several weeks today and did alright with the aMD on the minmatar commando as well, but the opposition wasn't wearing Loldari. Director - Corrosive Synergy
Radiant Pancake3 Destinys Immortals Rise Of Legion. 280	Posted - 2015.07.08 02:04:00 - [13] - Quote No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: Veg Hegirin wrote: You couldn't snag kills with an AoE weapon, the horror Considering I completed the Krin's challenge with only a Mass Driver, and have footage of 50+ kill games with it... Yesterday I got at least 10-20 kills per game running it on a logi. So yeah, going an entire game without a single kill for me is saddening. Heck I can't even run my officer MDs since they broke the Logibros. Much like I said in another thread where someone was complaining they couldn't get kills with their scrambler rifle because people could actually withstand the hits. GOOD. If you aren't getting kills with your fit because the playing field has been leveled and lower tier suits don't die in two or three hits thanks to them being able to fit more and better mods, GOOD. You shouldn't be in here complaining you suddenly aren't getting all the kills you used to because 'those stupid noobs are stacking HP!' They're stacking HP because they kept getting one-shotted or killed without any time to react. And it's exactly because of what you said. 50 kills in a single game with only a single weapon. You don't see the problem there? That you basically, by yourself, wiped out nearly half of their clones? With one weapon? That you can't do that nearly as easy now is a good sign, to me. See why can't the humans be smart like this... Maybe then they would be worth having hope for. (No offence) Personal Manager of Destinys Immortals. Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ Minmatar Loyalist Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ
james rains D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 58	Posted - 2015.07.08 02:22:00 - [14] - Quote tal mrak-thanl wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Flux nade? That's nice for guys that run MD on medium frames. What does the commando do? Grow a pair. 21+ million SP. Only good assault ck.0 out there.
Sicerly Yaw Corrosive Synergy No Context 548	Posted - 2015.07.08 02:36:00 - [15] - Quote don't bother using anything other then the AM front line suit, you don't even need to fit anything on it as its stock features are enough to go up against proto players (if you have the skill, and I have seen you play so I think you do) I have consistently been getting over 15 kills with a positive KD with anywhere from 0-10 deaths per match with about 4 average (does it even matter? the suit is free) the heat buildup is more then manageable (for me at least) its worse at range then if you use the vanilla ScR but its better up close where you will mostly likely be fighting you could fit anything else that you want on it but it already has over 400 armor over 100 shields and you get a side arm (ScP) that can take most scouts out with a head shot (240+ damage) or a few body shots, the armor repair rate is the only complaint I can come up with as far as to how viable the suit is but since you wont be losing anything and still wreck infantry you can do without the mlt uplink is good to have in case nobody is placing them down (mlt uplink better then no uplink) or you can simply replace it for a hive if ammo becomes a problem you can still stack damage mods to do even more damage (as if you need it) this is all assuming you are running around in pubs as that is probably the only place it is worth using perhaps you could In FW if you have the skill (or don't want to lose any isk) fairly cheap improvements can be made basic mods are all you really need and it already has good stamina, you could place a core nade on it and troll people click here if you are making a new account and want some free BPO's
I-Shayz-I I----------I 5	Posted - 2015.07.08 02:39:00 - [16] - Quote Whatever You guys can have fun with a game where armor hitting rifles are the only viable weapons. I'm not complaining that I can't get 30 kills. I'm frustrated and sad that I can't manage a single one with a weapon that I've developed a lot of skill with to make DECENT where most players would never even give the weapon a chance. It's one thing when an overpowered weapon is indirectly neefed because something else was buffed. It's another when a weapon is made near useless from a point where it was mediocre at best before. 7162 wp with a Repair Tool!
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 11	Posted - 2015.07.08 02:44:00 - [17] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Whatever You guys can have fun with a game where armor hitting rifles are the only viable weapons. I'm not complaining that I can't get 30 kills. I'm frustrated and sad that I can't manage a single one with a weapon that I've developed a lot of skill with to make DECENT where most players would never even give the weapon a chance. It's one thing when an overpowered weapon is indirectly neefed because something else was buffed. It's another when a weapon is made near useless from a point where it was mediocre at best before. Agreed. Though I'm not sure what's more to blame, HP Creep or the state of the Mass Driver. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
No-one-ganks like-Gaston Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 164	Posted - 2015.07.08 03:07:00 - [18] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Whatever You guys can have fun with a game where armor hitting rifles are the only viable weapons. I'm not complaining that I can't get 30 kills. I'm frustrated and sad that I can't manage a single one with a weapon that I've developed a lot of skill with to make DECENT where most players would never even give the weapon a chance. It's one thing when an overpowered weapon is indirectly neefed because something else was buffed. It's another when a weapon is made near useless from a point where it was mediocre at best before. Hey, if you took the time to actually get good with a weapon, that's great. I'm not being sarcastic in the slightest. I wish actual skill development with preferred weapons were a thing with more players than chasing flavor of the month fits for easy kills. I apologize if I came off like I was saying you were whining about your weapon not being good anymore, or your kills being taken away from you. I said what I did to imply that the Mass Driver did so well because the eHP of a lower tier suits couldn't match the quick damage output or escape the splash damage, not to imply anything about your level of skill or maturity. The game has changed, though, and your current playstyle isn't as viable as it used to be. You can either work harder and experiment to make it viable again, or you can switch it up and work with something else.
Thor Odinson42 Negative-Feedback 6	Posted - 2015.07.08 03:42:00 - [19] - Quote I wasn't trying to be smart. I used to run the MD 100% of the time way back in the day. I was useless without flux nades.
emm kay Direct Action Resources 355	Posted - 2015.07.08 03:57:00 - [20] - Quote Veg Hegirin wrote: You couldn't snag kills with an AoE weapon, the horror This. i was getting plenty of kills earlier with the md. Plus he's complaining about lower teir suits, expecting to stomp. There is a reason you never see me in battle. it's because I see you first.

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 12	Posted - 2015.07.08 04:04:00 - [21] - Quote Damn, that really sucks. I'd suggest using an anti-shield sidearm with flux grenades, though I'm sure you already thought of that. The weapon might need a buff, though I think things should be allowed to settle for a while over a week or two to fully assess the balance situation before any drastic changes. Gû¦Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum altGû+
Scheneighnay McBob Penumbra or something 7	Posted - 2015.07.08 04:05:00 - [22] - Quote You suck. The MD is my favorite weapon. Has a ton of range if you know what you're doing, too. I can hit pretty consistently at or exceeding RR range The anti-tunnel snake taskforce has assembled
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.07.08 04:33:00 - [23] - Quote Uhhhh. How the hell are you NOT getting mass driver kills??? WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
tal mrak-thanl Corrosive Synergy 1	Posted - 2015.07.08 04:49:00 - [24] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Uhhhh. How the hell are you NOT getting mass driver kills??? Probably because he had a few bad matches. He is right that the new slot layout will change the dynamic of confronting skilled Caldari players, especially since the Caldari assault is the most used fit in the game. Director - Corrosive Synergy
Sned TheDead Failures inc. 413	Posted - 2015.07.08 05:03:00 - [25] - Quote tal mrak-thanl wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Flux nade? That's nice for guys that run MD on medium frames. What does the commando do? run both an anti shield, and and anti armour weapon, its not that complex.... Cleaning up the mess everyone leaves behind :)
Radiant Pancake3 Destinys Immortals Rise Of Legion. 281	Posted - 2015.07.08 05:18:00 - [26] - Quote Sned TheDead wrote: tal mrak-thanl wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Flux nade? That's nice for guys that run MD on medium frames. What does the commando do? run both an anti shield, and and anti armour weapon, its not that complex.... Shhh you're suppose to be dead... that info is majestic! Personal Manager of Destinys Immortals. Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ Minmatar Loyalist Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ
I-Shayz-I I----------I 5	Posted - 2015.07.08 05:22:00 - [27] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: You suck. The MD is my favorite weapon. Has a ton of range if you know what you're doing, too. I can hit pretty consistently at or exceeding RR range Oh yeah. It was how I grinded out 125 assists yesterday by firing like artillery into the groups of enemies in ambush while the RRs picked them off when they got weak. I've used the Mass Driver so much that the arc is programmed into my muscle memory for how far I need to aim upwards to hit an opponent at any distance on flat ground. But when the entire team is literally just shield tanked assaults and sentinels, it's embarassing and sad to realize that the meta changed and your favorite weapon is no longer something you can use to be effective enough to even just defend yourself or help your team. 7162 wp with a Repair Tool!
Squagga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 864	Posted - 2015.07.08 05:22:00 - [28] - Quote Lemme get this straight, you're pissed because you used a weapon that's good against armor, against shields. And, are upset it didn't work? Shields, the silent killer.
Sned TheDead Failures inc. 413	Posted - 2015.07.08 05:23:00 - [29] - Quote Radiant Pancake3 wrote: Sned TheDead wrote: tal mrak-thanl wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Flux nade? That's nice for guys that run MD on medium frames. What does the commando do? run both an anti shield, and and anti armour weapon, its not that complex.... Shhh you're suppose to be dead... that info is majestic! no. that info is basic common sense, not even logic, just common sense. having trouble with shields? anti shield. having trouble with armour? anti armour. or scr, cuz op. Cleaning up the mess everyone leaves behind :)
tal mrak-thanl Corrosive Synergy 1	Posted - 2015.07.08 05:26:00 - [30] - Quote Sned TheDead wrote: tal mrak-thanl wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Flux nade? That's nice for guys that run MD on medium frames. What does the commando do? run both an anti shield, and and anti armour weapon, its not that complex.... I won't be running an assault, laser, or scrambler rifle on a minmatar commando. The benefits of having shield and armor based weaponry equipped do not outweigh the synergy of racial light weapons being coupled with their corresponding commando bonus. Director - Corrosive Synergy



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