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Magnus Belmont
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.07.07 14:46:00 -
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How do so many mistakes and bugs get through every time you touch the game? Do you guys have a tester hired to run things through or do you just say, "Well, this is good enough, we'll fix it later down the road". Or is it that you just straight up do not test your updates before you apply them to the community?
Are we all basically the testers? I mean, I would actually be okay with that, as long as you would warn the community the impending havoc your about to unleash on us, so tempers wouldn't flair up.
Just a simple answer please, don't let me just post this up and wait for a reply that's not going to come :c
Do me a solid and just put it out there for me?
CCP does not care, for all future complaints, find the nearest brick wall and yell at it.
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Soraya Xel
Random Gunz
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.07.07 14:48:00 -
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A lot of things can be tested well internally, and still explode or operate incorrectly on live servers. (No battle plan survives first contact with the enemy.) Furthermore, while CCP does test their code, there's a question of how much testing they are able to do with the resources available.
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Count- -Crotchula
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.07.07 14:52:00 -
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I think it's a case of not knowing precisely how something will function until it is live and running on main battle servers?
Or some internal flaw which seems to change things unwontedly when trying to touch anything. (ye olde english ftw)
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Magnus Belmont
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.07.07 14:54:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:A lot of things can be tested well internally, and still explode or operate incorrectly on live servers. (No battle plan survives first contact with the enemy.) Furthermore, while CCP does test their code, there's a question of how much testing they are able to do with the resources available.
A lot of the problems that have arisen they would have been able to simply see by getting in the game, during that down time they have, when they hop in the servers by themselves.
Lets choose an insanely obvious recent screw up, the Lethe skin. Unless all of them are color blind, if they had actually tested it, they would have clearly seen that it was blue and not red... I mean, come on.
A live launch didn't change the colors all of the sudden, lol. A lot of the problems have nothing to do with just having people logging onto the servers. It's a problem with that code you said they test, so how can you tell me they test it when there is a clear error there?
That's an easy one too. One guy, log on, put on the suit and look at the viewer.
And this one only a single instance out of, what seems like, countless others. A lot of us would test it for free, me being one of them.
CCP does not care, for all future complaints, find the nearest brick wall and yell at it.
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Magnus Belmont
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
125
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Posted - 2015.07.07 14:55:00 -
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Count- -Crotchula wrote:I think it's a case of not knowing precisely how something will function until it is live and running on main battle servers?
Or some internal flaw which seems to change things unwontedly when trying to touch anything. (ye olde english ftw)
That's the most sensible thing anyone will ever get out of me so make the most of it.
See my above response to the "CPM"
CCP does not care, for all future complaints, find the nearest brick wall and yell at it.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
9
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Posted - 2015.07.07 14:59:00 -
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What I'm getting from the process is that pervious programmers failed to leave rigorous notes in the code to explain the functions sufficiently that someone else can pick it up and use it.
It's a programmer thing. They try to make themselves indispensable by being the only ones who can fully understand it. Most companies mercilessly sh*tcan people for doing it anymore.
But coding notations are critical for people to pick up and run with say... whatever bamm did to the controls in uprising.
There hasn't been a whole lot to indicate that anyone can figure out what he did or how. Which means for all we know it could have been brilliant with a single math error. But if there were no notes, then you might as well be trying to extrapolate sumerian cold with half a rosetta stone.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Magnus Belmont
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
125
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Posted - 2015.07.07 15:06:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:What I'm getting from the process is that pervious programmers failed to leave rigorous notes in the code to explain the functions sufficiently that someone else can pick it up and use it.
It's a programmer thing. They try to make themselves indispensable by being the only ones who can fully understand it. Most companies mercilessly sh*tcan people for doing it anymore.
But coding notations are critical for people to pick up and run with say... whatever bamm did to the controls in uprising.
There hasn't been a whole lot to indicate that anyone can figure out what he did or how. Which means for all we know it could have been brilliant with a single math error. But if there were no notes, then you might as well be trying to extrapolate sumerian cold with half a rosetta stone.
The above isn't an accusation, it's an example.
My problem isn't that things go wrong or that have problems, but why they release them with the problems rather then hold off until they are fixed?
My main problem is their lack of testing out their tweaks to the game. Honestly, I'd be okay with the screw ups if they would also put out a "We screwed up here, here, and with that." When they release an update. It shows that they basically rush things through, throw what they can at the wall and just hope things stick.
You'll see in my above post about the "Lethe" skin color. Sure, it's probably an easy mistake, so they should have seen it if they had bothered to take two minutes to look at it in game before handing them out.
If they said, "Here is the lethe skin, but it's blue for now instead of red!" along with the release, I'd be totally cool with it. Rather then the community posting 20 threads about it, then a while after they acknowledge the problem publicly.
Basically, they suck with public relations. They could tell the CPM's to tell everyone or something, or take the 30 seconds to post it up on the forums. That's my real issue here.
CCP does not care, for all future complaints, find the nearest brick wall and yell at it.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
9
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Posted - 2015.07.07 15:11:00 -
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Because their deal with sony did not include allowances for a secondary client which patches separately and links to Singularity.
That's how players test EVE.
The only way we get live patch testing pre-release is a PC port.
Because in-house builds never perform identically to live-release builds that hit consoles. Even destiny, wow, and every other game in existence that does live updates has a few bugs that berserk the system despite rigorous testing.
Quit demanding perfection. It isn't happening. Just point out what went wrong and let them fix it.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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VAHZZ
No Context
3
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Posted - 2015.07.07 15:14:00 -
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Come Clean, Please you Cottage Cheese Pirates.
Founder of the Sanctuary of Tacos.
GJR Approved
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Magnus Belmont
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
125
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Posted - 2015.07.07 15:17:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Because their deal with sony did not include allowances for a secondary client which patches separately and links to Singularity.
That's how players test EVE.
The only way we get live patch testing pre-release is a PC port.
Because in-house builds never perform identically to live-release builds that hit consoles. Even destiny, wow, and every other game in existence that does live updates has a few bugs that berserk the system despite rigorous testing.
Quit demanding perfection. It isn't happening. Just point out what went wrong and let them fix it.
You ever notice when the servers are shut down but there are still like 2 people on 'em?
Yeah, they can test things out, they don't need a secondary client.
Again, I'm going to go back to the Lethe skin bug, explain the negligence on that one? I understand clearly that you want to support and defend CCP, but there still seems to be an issue here.
Have you seen the wave of posts with problems after ever update? Why does it take so long for them to give everyone the heads up that they are aware of the problem?
Heck, pay my main Character some Aurum and I'll post it up for them. Give me the ability to make a sticky post or announcement and I'll do the work for 'em and at least give a little peace of mind to the community here. That's all I'm asking for, just a little reassurance and information.
Like the officer suits losing their extra slots, if one of them just posts up "Our bad it's not supposed to be that way" or "Yeah, that's intentional", I'd feel a little more clued into what happened.
CCP does not care, for all future complaints, find the nearest brick wall and yell at it.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
9
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Posted - 2015.07.07 15:50:00 -
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Meh?
I really don't give a sh*t?
Patch bugs are a thing. They happen.
Oh look, half will be fixed by tomorrow, most of the stand-outs by downtime next week. It's what happens, people b*tch and rant then within a week it's back to business as usual
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Magnus Belmont
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
126
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Posted - 2015.07.07 15:53:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Meh?
I really don't give a sh*t?
Patch bugs are a thing. They happen.
Oh look, half will be fixed by tomorrow, most of the stand-outs by downtime next week. It's what happens, people b*tch and rant then within a week it's back to business as usual
Your pretty funny, how long have you been playing dust again?
CCP does not care, for all future complaints, find the nearest brick wall and yell at it.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
9
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Posted - 2015.07.07 15:56:00 -
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Magnus Belmont wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Meh?
I really don't give a sh*t?
Patch bugs are a thing. They happen.
Oh look, half will be fixed by tomorrow, most of the stand-outs by downtime next week. It's what happens, people b*tch and rant then within a week it's back to business as usual Your pretty funny, how long have you been playing dust again?
Since closed beta.
If this were the old Dev team I'd be more of an ******* about it. But Rattati and Team Evil have been doing a remarkable job at fixing a game that was supposed to sunset and never receive another update that isn't a hotfix.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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byte modal
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Posted - 2015.07.07 16:47:00 -
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Wow. I understand the frustration, but everything has pretty much been explained already in previous posts. DUST is unique, for good or for bad. How long have you been playing to not yet understand this?
My guess here is that development has barely enough staff and time to hit a moving target, if that. Again, revisit DUST development history for why I "guess" this. Need to change slot layout for suit X? Alright. Done. Sh!t we have a new task list, dude load up and make sure that slot layout looks right and works. Yeah? Good? Moving on.... maybe they got time to test secondary affects, but I would guess a lot of that is still based on the assumption that current code does what it is supposed to do. That doesn't always happen. Maybe there's a value that has now been changed that unknowingly is called for some other seemingly unrelated function. If they're not aware of that for whatever reason (illogical or static source code, poor code commenting and documentation, perhaps the guy who usually does this is out giving birth to alien hybrids and the janitor is filling in for the day and just doesn't know the subtle ins-and-outs), then how would they know to trace it until they---or in your case, you---stumble upon the error? Or say they do stumble upon the issue before launch, and the fix actually fixes it but inadvertently creates another unrelated error due to weird hard-coded variables or wtf other endless possibilities of issues.
Have you never been tasked for a 24-hour goal but only given 8 to complete it? I'm not arguing the logic or value in such a task, I'm arguing that whether you or I like it, such tasks exist. I am also not suggesting that this is the case for CCP regarding DUST updates, only that I am willing to give development the benefit of the doubt considering the history. And it's F2P. And it's still a fun game. And your sig makes it funny that people are bothering to reply to you. Even more so that you have 2 posts running asking CCP for answers.
just my .02 ISK.
p.s. since closed beta too, as if it mattered.
<3 breakin stuff ...usually, but not always.
kitten bacon taco (nom)
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
9
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Posted - 2015.07.07 16:51:00 -
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byte modal wrote:.
<3 breakin stuff ...usually, but not always.
Really now would it be nearly as fun if I were 100% likeable?
They'd confiscate my Goon Card.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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byte modal
229
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Posted - 2015.07.07 16:54:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:byte modal wrote:.
<3 breakin stuff ...usually, but not always. Really now would it be nearly as fun if I were 100% likeable? They'd confiscate my Goon Card.
90% of the time, I like you 100%.
kitten bacon taco (nom)
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2015.07.07 18:14:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:A lot of things can be tested well internally, and still explode or operate incorrectly on live servers. (No battle plan survives first contact with the enemy.) Furthermore, while CCP does test their code, there's a question of how much testing they are able to do with the resources available.
Then keep on pushing for more resources.
Keep poking Hilmar.
Go on lobbying.
Be a pain in the butt if necessary.
KERO-TRADER is my official Eve character for Dust trading.
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