5) Tanks, right now, are even worse than dropships... there are only a small handful of effective builds, and even fewer worthwhile PC/competitive fittings. Tankers need more options. I don't want Tank 514 again, but what I do want is a more diverse selection of modules that actually provide a real reason to use them, and will bring back what was, once, a thriving community of tankers who actually discussed optimal builds..

I'm very impressed with your platform, as well as how you stated the PS4 section of it; made me smile.

07 to you, and I hope you are feeling better after the issues plaguing you

Are candidates allowed to vote for other candidates?

If so, you have my vote.

I really don't care about corporation loyalty and such, but I really cannot vote for you. You seem like a great candidate but you are backed by a very influential corporation in the DUST universe. Your corp members are likely to vote for you not because of your views but because you're simply in the same corp. That averages around 500 free votes for you. Not to mention, because of you're influential corp I feel that they would have even MORE influence due to them having a CPM. We can't have one corp oppressing everyone in the game. I apologize but you will not receive my vote.

Had my vote up till I saw the direct only stance to PS4 only.

Why PS4 only for future DUST?

The only thing these pubstar candidates really care about is their weekly kdr.

Don't let their fancy wall of text fool you.

If you want true honorable representation vote Dust User.

And what makes you honorable apart from your own hubris..?

Couple of reasons:

1) Sony and CCP have a standing relationship, which can be beneficial to both of CCP and us, the players
2) current gen consoles have a lower cost of entry than a comparable computer that could run Dust at the same resolution, quality settings, and frame rate
3) Initially, Dust was going to be on Xbox, but Microsoft wanted a % of everything... this would, in a long run, be extremely harmful to any future growth past this next move
4) PS4 and computers are not mutually exclusive; on games like FF14, PS4, PS3, and PC players inhabit the same world at the same time

I understand the desire to have Dust on a computer, but the market for FPS is much larger on a console; I feel it would be a waste if it was just on PC... the community would almost instantly shrink, versus grow on the PS4.

As I stated on Biomassed, if PC was the platform, I would still play it... but I think PS4 would be the best path of opportunity for the game.

Sorry if that one disagreement turns you off, but that is the conclusion that I have come too.

To those who believe PC the best option - How did you end up here in the first place? This is a console community, why would we want change that?

It's absurd, and selfish.

Interesting argument... if a bit ad hominem-y....

First of all, it can be argued that keeping it on console is also absurd and selfish as well. There are good arguments and reasonings for both sides of the fence but saying that it should -NOT- go to one or the other because of where it currently is redundant and foolish. It solves nothing because it doesn't address the core problems of either. It's an appeal to emotion or nature if anything.

But if you must know I came over to Dust 514 on the PS3 because I had no other choice. I've been playing Eve Online since 2006 and I wanted to be a part of this side of New Eden - CCP didn't give the option to play on the PC so I went out and bought a PS3 to play it. This has nothing to do with where I think it should be ported, however, because I'd argue that if I went out of my way to buy a PS3 to play it I'd buy a PS4 to play it as well.

My views come from the foresight to see that being on the PS4 will have it's own problems and I feel that those problems are in a more negative light than if the game were ported to the PC. Simple as that. PS4 might be a better short-term option, given that it doesn't have many games to choose from by comparison to PC and it is a more affordable cost margin for players, but in the long term I think PC would be the best bet.

There is no argument needed here, this is what we are here for, a console MMOFPSRTS game, on the PC it's not even special, and you'll be competing with other titles - that's what made this title on console special.

the argument AND performance of test servers is irrelevant, PS4 can handle the performance, and this game was designed on PC to begin with and is scripted using PC then ported to console - they don't need a test server, they just need to keep there promises with hot fixes, which has been full of ninja nerfs rather then fixes. The coding is very similar, so the port after PC tests should suffice for a good portion of foreseeable issues.

If this game belongs on PC they should of put it there to begin with instead of making promises to consoles they don't plan on keeping. Any argument against this fact can go **** itself, and you'll be borderline entering my hate list.

You'd be competing with other titles on the PS4 too.. That argument isn't exclusive to the PC... Battlefield, Call of Duty, Planetside 2, Black Light Retribution - if it's a title on the PC it's probably a title on the PS4 as well...

And I have no idea where test servers and performance came into this mix? Like, it was never mentioned in my posts. Ever. I'm starting to think you're arguing to argue and not actually reading any of the arguments being presented because you're now arguing information that wasn't even up for debate to begin with.

Also, what ninja nerfs..?

And again, saying that "they should have put it there to begin with" is an appeal to the game's origins, which obviously have not worked. Just because it started on a console doesn't mean it should stay there and that line gets really really fuzzy whenever you start using the same argument in other applications: It's a game based in New Eden, which started on PC - it should stay there. It's a game that started on the PS3, it should stay there.

And the whole "making promises to console they don't plan on keeping" is total bupkis. It isn't that they didn't plan to keep them it's that they simply -could not keep them-. The game doesn't run smoothly with the content it has, how can you honestly expect them to put -more- content in when what we have is already problematic..?

"Any argument against this fact can go **** itself, and you'll be borderline entering my hate list"

So, what you're saying is that it isn't a debate, or an argument, it's a rant. Got'cha. I'll stop responding then and let you continue on in your own little world. Could spend my time doing better things.

Aeon, you seem to be missing one important piece of information.

YOU'RE TALKING TO A ******* CONSOLE COMMUNITY ABOUT GETTING RID OF THERE CONSOLE GAME TO PORT IT TO PC, OR TELLING THEM WAIT BECAUSE PC MASTER RACE.

You find that **** acceptable? Then yes, read my **** as a rant, because there's no arguing the fact we've been ****** with, and you support it.

And ninja nerfs include changing the commando's CPU without changing the PG to make the suit make damn sense.

And this games 'origins' has been the only reason you have a shot at CPM instead of going back to EvE because Dust was killed off by a community already tired of CCP through EvE.

You'd be competing with other titles on the PS4 too.. That argument isn't exclusive to the PC... Battlefield, Call of Duty, Planetside 2, Black Light Retribution - if it's a title on the PC it's probably a title on the PS4 as well...

In short, let me put it this way:

Why do app makers prefer making apps on Apple products vs making apps for Androids?

Apple has a guaranteed, uniform structure. The hardware is identical across the whole platform, and the operating systems are, generally, the same.

Android has different hardware from phone to phone, and different versions of operating systems.

The cost to develop a stable app across all of android is more programming intensive.

CCP would have to make sure the game is QC'ed across many, many variations, which would take up a lot of resources and time. PS4 would guarantee all hardware is the same across all players, making it easier for CCP to develop the game for a stable experience across the whole player base.

I'm going to assume that Apple is the Console and Android is the PC.

In this case CCP would have to talk to Apple to do basically anything whereas Android they'd have free-reign to make, update, and sell their game as they please. Not to mention the fact that Apple would be taking a share of the profits, whereas android would not.

As a final statement before I walk away from this seriously irritating topic point:

You guys are getting way too bent out of shape over the fact that I said I would prefer PC. I already said, multiple times, that I would play Dust 514 on either platform. I'm sorry that offends you.

How do you stop a console player from using a modded controller? We're facing that issue right now as it is. You can't. You can't stop hacking and you can't stop modded controllers or additional peripherals. When it comes to hacking, CCP does lifetime bans, so it isn't so much a proactive measure as a reactive measure. Sure, hacker'll ruin a couple of matches but when he's having to make a brand new account on a different IP address everyday, it just isn't practical or feasible - especially when he's not able to save SP in doing so. There is no longevity in it and therefore, ultimately pointless.

As to how you keep a game alive in a flooded market? Easy, you make it unique - you make it stand out. How do you think Five Nights At Freddy's, Depth, or Minecraft stood out from a flooded market? They thought outside the box and they provided players an experience that no other game has. An experience we've already laid the foundation for with the Eve link. But it's a moot point anyway because that same flooded market never stopped games from taking off (Dota) -or- failing (Evolve). You can't predict how successful a game will be based solely on how many competing titles there are.

And the last point brought up is pretty simple: Start-up times. I mean, we have a warbarge prior to a battle for a reason. But if we're going to sit here and compare graphical capability all I can say is that is just the nature of PC gaming as a whole.

But this is pointless, ultimately. We could argue endlessly about the pros and cons about the PS4 and PC and what it'll eventually come down to is that everyone has their preference and that preference will always go against the other side of the fence. Someone is getting burned. Pure and simple. They're either going to have to adapt or get left behind. I could care less about which community gets burned, I'm only concerned about how long this game is going to last on either platform and a big factor in my preference is that we're going to be having this exact same debate when the PS5 is being developed.

I am not the one getting bent out of shape. A discussion is necessary, but your strawman isn't.

Where to begin...

Modded controller is now equated to wall hacks, invincibility, lack of clipping, etc etc etc... yet, modded everything will be available for the pc user...

Yes, because this is comparable to modded controllers...

On a computer, an IP ban takes seconds to overcome... so I don't foresee that being a big deterrent... or, even, a MAC address ban, as MAC spoofing takes about the same amount of time.

Amadi... like I said, people already complain about the difference between SSD and HDD... do you think it will be on even playing ground when you're discussing hardware that is, literally, orders of magnitude different (hence, also, the apple analogy you missed).