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Posted - 2015.07.02 18:19:00 -
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Got my +1!
Oh, I'm still running btw ^_- Those issues have been resolved.
Some people ask us, "Where do you call home?"
And we say, "Home is where the bullets fly. Where the shells land."
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Posted - 2015.08.01 15:05:00 -
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Dust User wrote:The only thing these pubstar candidates really care about is their weekly kdr.
Don't let their fancy wall of text fool you.
If you want true honorable representation vote Dust User.
And what makes you honorable apart from your own hubris..?
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Posted - 2015.08.01 15:13:00 -
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demens grimwulff wrote:Starlight Burner wrote:Had my vote up till I saw the direct only stance to PS4 only.
Why PS4 only for future DUST? Couple of reasons: 1) Sony and CCP have a standing relationship, which can be beneficial to both of CCP and us, the players 2) current gen consoles have a lower cost of entry than a comparable computer that could run Dust at the same resolution, quality settings, and frame rate 3) Initially, Dust was going to be on Xbox, but Microsoft wanted a % of everything... this would, in a long run, be extremely harmful to any future growth past this next move 4) PS4 and computers are not mutually exclusive; on games like FF14, PS4, PS3, and PC players inhabit the same world at the same time I understand the desire to have Dust on a computer, but the market for FPS is much larger on a console; I feel it would be a waste if it was just on PC... the community would almost instantly shrink, versus grow on the PS4. As I stated on Biomassed, if PC was the platform, I would still play it... but I think PS4 would be the best path of opportunity for the game. Sorry if that one disagreement turns you off, but that is the conclusion that I have come too.
I'd contest that the best path would be PC due to the fact that CCP wouldn't have to run everything through Sony as they currently do. As it is, CCP could release an update and we'd not see it for two weeks after the fact because of Sony's own QA and that led to a couple of issues in the past. None more recognizable than the "Ninja Nerfing" (which people still tin foil over) in which CCP would put something in an update and completely forget about it in the dev blogs they'd write covering the update.
General premise is that if Dust 514 (or whatever) were published -by- CCP (which they could only possibly do on the PC) they'd have a lot more freedom to do what they want with their own product. They'd also be netting the profits off of it, rather than having to share the revenue with Sony.
Overall, from a financial and creative license stand-point, I think the benefits are overshadowing to trying to appeal to a userbase that is largely flippant in their interests. Console players will follow the advertisements and being that CCP has little to no advertising going on for Dust 514, I don't think we can afford another blow in which Sony hides it away behind some cryptic menu option in the Playstation Store (when they changed up the "Free-to-Play" menu to something else).
To sum it up, I feel that Sony plays way too big a hand in the potential success of Dust 514 and they play way too passive a role in it's success - essentially sitting back and collecting a paycheck. This isn't even touching on the issues EU players have with bundle sales like the Mercenary Pack debacle where they wound up having to wait weeks just to experience the sales that many American players already had access to.
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Posted - 2015.08.01 15:32:00 -
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Shadowed Cola wrote:To those who believe PC the best option - How did you end up here in the first place? This is a console community, why would we want change that?
It's absurd, and selfish.
Interesting argument... if a bit ad hominem-y....
First of all, it can be argued that keeping it on console is also absurd and selfish as well. There are good arguments and reasonings for both sides of the fence but saying that it should -NOT- go to one or the other because of where it currently is redundant and foolish. It solves nothing because it doesn't address the core problems of either. It's an appeal to emotion or nature if anything.
But if you must know I came over to Dust 514 on the PS3 because I had no other choice. I've been playing Eve Online since 2006 and I wanted to be a part of this side of New Eden - CCP didn't give the option to play on the PC so I went out and bought a PS3 to play it. This has nothing to do with where I think it should be ported, however, because I'd argue that if I went out of my way to buy a PS3 to play it I'd buy a PS4 to play it as well.
My views come from the foresight to see that being on the PS4 will have it's own problems and I feel that those problems are in a more negative light than if the game were ported to the PC. Simple as that. PS4 might be a better short-term option, given that it doesn't have many games to choose from by comparison to PC and it is a more affordable cost margin for players, but in the long term I think PC would be the best bet.
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Posted - 2015.08.01 16:39:00 -
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Shadowed Cola wrote:
There is no argument needed here, this is what we are here for, a console MMOFPSRTS game, on the PC it's not even special, and you'll be competing with other titles - that's what made this title on console special.
the argument AND performance of test servers is irrelevant, PS4 can handle the performance, and this game was designed on PC to begin with and is scripted using PC then ported to console - they don't need a test server, they just need to keep there promises with hot fixes, which has been full of ninja nerfs rather then fixes. The coding is very similar, so the port after PC tests should suffice for a good portion of foreseeable issues.
If this game belongs on PC they should of put it there to begin with instead of making promises to consoles they don't plan on keeping. Any argument against this fact can go **** itself, and you'll be borderline entering my hate list.
You'd be competing with other titles on the PS4 too.. That argument isn't exclusive to the PC... Battlefield, Call of Duty, Planetside 2, Black Light Retribution - if it's a title on the PC it's probably a title on the PS4 as well...
And I have no idea where test servers and performance came into this mix? Like, it was never mentioned in my posts. Ever. I'm starting to think you're arguing to argue and not actually reading any of the arguments being presented because you're now arguing information that wasn't even up for debate to begin with.
Also, what ninja nerfs..?
And again, saying that "they should have put it there to begin with" is an appeal to the game's origins, which obviously have not worked. Just because it started on a console doesn't mean it should stay there and that line gets really really fuzzy whenever you start using the same argument in other applications: It's a game based in New Eden, which started on PC - it should stay there. It's a game that started on the PS3, it should stay there.
And the whole "making promises to console they don't plan on keeping" is total bupkis. It isn't that they didn't plan to keep them it's that they simply -could not keep them-. The game doesn't run smoothly with the content it has, how can you honestly expect them to put -more- content in when what we have is already problematic..?
"Any argument against this fact can go **** itself, and you'll be borderline entering my hate list"
So, what you're saying is that it isn't a debate, or an argument, it's a rant. Got'cha. I'll stop responding then and let you continue on in your own little world. Could spend my time doing better things.
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Posted - 2015.08.01 18:53:00 -
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Please provide examples of titles on the PC that would compete with Dust 514, then, since those that I listed were not apparently part of the same criteria as "competition" (since apparently FPS games and MMOs are -not- competition, only a very niche MMOFPS genre that is relatively new to the gaming industry). Bearing in mind that Destiny is not on the PC, so if we're looking solely at MMOFPS games then PS4 still has more non-indie competition.
And to answer Demens' questions:
How do you stop a console player from using a modded controller? We're facing that issue right now as it is. You can't. You can't stop hacking and you can't stop modded controllers or additional peripherals. When it comes to hacking, CCP does lifetime bans, so it isn't so much a proactive measure as a reactive measure. Sure, hacker'll ruin a couple of matches but when he's having to make a brand new account on a different IP address everyday, it just isn't practical or feasible - especially when he's not able to save SP in doing so. There is no longevity in it and therefore, ultimately pointless.
As to how you keep a game alive in a flooded market? Easy, you make it unique - you make it stand out. How do you think Five Nights At Freddy's, Depth, or Minecraft stood out from a flooded market? They thought outside the box and they provided players an experience that no other game has. An experience we've already laid the foundation for with the Eve link. But it's a moot point anyway because that same flooded market never stopped games from taking off (Dota) -or- failing (Evolve). You can't predict how successful a game will be based solely on how many competing titles there are.
And the last point brought up is pretty simple: Start-up times. I mean, we have a warbarge prior to a battle for a reason. But if we're going to sit here and compare graphical capability all I can say is that is just the nature of PC gaming as a whole.
But this is pointless, ultimately. We could argue endlessly about the pros and cons about the PS4 and PC and what it'll eventually come down to is that everyone has their preference and that preference will always go against the other side of the fence. Someone is getting burned. Pure and simple. They're either going to have to adapt or get left behind. I could care less about which community gets burned, I'm only concerned about how long this game is going to last on either platform and a big factor in my preference is that we're going to be having this exact same debate when the PS5 is being developed.
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Posted - 2015.08.01 19:02:00 -
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demens grimwulff wrote:In short, let me put it this way:
Why do app makers prefer making apps on Apple products vs making apps for Androids?
Apple has a guaranteed, uniform structure. The hardware is identical across the whole platform, and the operating systems are, generally, the same.
Android has different hardware from phone to phone, and different versions of operating systems.
The cost to develop a stable app across all of android is more programming intensive.
CCP would have to make sure the game is QC'ed across many, many variations, which would take up a lot of resources and time. PS4 would guarantee all hardware is the same across all players, making it easier for CCP to develop the game for a stable experience across the whole player base.
I'm going to assume that Apple is the Console and Android is the PC.
In this case CCP would have to talk to Apple to do basically anything whereas Android they'd have free-reign to make, update, and sell their game as they please. Not to mention the fact that Apple would be taking a share of the profits, whereas android would not.
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Posted - 2015.08.01 19:04:00 -
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As a final statement before I walk away from this seriously irritating topic point:
You guys are getting way too bent out of shape over the fact that I said I would prefer PC. I already said, multiple times, that I would play Dust 514 on either platform. I'm sorry that offends you.
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Posted - 2015.08.01 19:30:00 -
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demens grimwulff wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:As a final statement before I walk away from this seriously irritating topic point:
You guys are getting way too bent out of shape over the fact that I said I would prefer PC. I already said, multiple times, that I would play Dust 514 on either platform. I'm sorry that offends you. I am not the one getting bent out of shape. A discussion is necessary, but your strawman isn't.
No, a discussion is not necessary if it is going to come down to antagonizing people over personal preferences. Both the PC and the PS4 are excellent candidates for their respective reasons and ultimately it comes down to how much of a **** you give as to where we go with either. Yes, a PS4 is more cost effective, but it simply does not do nearly as much as a PC and you get what you pay for. In terms of Dust 514 and -only- Dust 514, that may be a good option, but for a game that is meant to be connected to Eve Online I see a great deal of potential in allowing players from both sides to partake in both sides of that universe.
I like oranges and I like apples. I like the taste of oranges better but I'll eat either.
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Posted - 2015.08.01 19:32:00 -
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demens grimwulff wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:How do you stop a console player from using a modded controller? We're facing that issue right now as it is. You can't. You can't stop hacking and you can't stop modded controllers or additional peripherals. When it comes to hacking, CCP does lifetime bans, so it isn't so much a proactive measure as a reactive measure. Sure, hacker'll ruin a couple of matches but when he's having to make a brand new account on a different IP address everyday, it just isn't practical or feasible - especially when he's not able to save SP in doing so. There is no longevity in it and therefore, ultimately pointless.
As to how you keep a game alive in a flooded market? Easy, you make it unique - you make it stand out. How do you think Five Nights At Freddy's, Depth, or Minecraft stood out from a flooded market? They thought outside the box and they provided players an experience that no other game has. An experience we've already laid the foundation for with the Eve link. But it's a moot point anyway because that same flooded market never stopped games from taking off (Dota) -or- failing (Evolve). You can't predict how successful a game will be based solely on how many competing titles there are.
And the last point brought up is pretty simple: Start-up times. I mean, we have a warbarge prior to a battle for a reason. But if we're going to sit here and compare graphical capability all I can say is that is just the nature of PC gaming as a whole.
But this is pointless, ultimately. We could argue endlessly about the pros and cons about the PS4 and PC and what it'll eventually come down to is that everyone has their preference and that preference will always go against the other side of the fence. Someone is getting burned. Pure and simple. They're either going to have to adapt or get left behind. I could care less about which community gets burned, I'm only concerned about how long this game is going to last on either platform and a big factor in my preference is that we're going to be having this exact same debate when the PS5 is being developed. Where to begin... Modded controller is now equated to wall hacks, invincibility, lack of clipping, etc etc etc... yet, modded everything will be available for the pc user... Yes, because this is comparable to modded controllers...On a computer, an IP ban takes seconds to overcome... so I don't foresee that being a big deterrent... or, even, a MAC address ban, as MAC spoofing takes about the same amount of time. Amadi... like I said, people already complain about the difference between SSD and HDD... do you think it will be on even playing ground when you're discussing hardware that is, literally, orders of magnitude different (hence, also, the apple analogy you missed).
Thaaaaaan port it to the PS4, I really don't care. By the time we get done arguing this it could have been ported and I guarantee someone is going to be disappointed no matter what. You can get hemmorhoids over it, or you can accept it. Your call, bro. But the amount of effort being invested into this argument is probably the most unfortunate part.
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Posted - 2015.08.01 19:43:00 -
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demens grimwulff wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:demens grimwulff wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:As a final statement before I walk away from this seriously irritating topic point:
You guys are getting way too bent out of shape over the fact that I said I would prefer PC. I already said, multiple times, that I would play Dust 514 on either platform. I'm sorry that offends you. I am not the one getting bent out of shape. A discussion is necessary, but your strawman isn't. No, a discussion is not necessary if it is going to come down to antagonizing people over personal preferences. Both the PC and the PS4 are excellent candidates for their respective reasons and ultimately it comes down to how much of a **** you give as to where we go with either. Yes, a PS4 is more cost effective, but it simply does not do nearly as much as a PC and you get what you pay for. In terms of Dust 514 and -only- Dust 514, that may be a good option, but for a game that is meant to be connected to Eve Online I see a great deal of potential in allowing players from both sides to partake in both sides of that universe. I like oranges and I like apples. I like the taste of oranges better but I'll eat either. And that is what I am saying, just on a different level.
.... sure you are.
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Posted - 2015.08.01 19:44:00 -
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Shadowed Cola wrote:i want my vote back. I had no clue Aeon was bat **** crazy.
Oh no, Aeon likes PC more than PS4 but would play on either, what ever will I do now that he isn't 100% against PC and 100% for PS4
the sky is falling the sky is falling
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Posted - 2015.08.01 19:55:00 -
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Shadowed Cola wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Shadowed Cola wrote:i want my vote back. I had no clue Aeon was bat **** crazy. Oh no, Aeon likes PC more than PS4 but would play on either, what ever will I do now that he isn't 100% against PC and 100% for PS4 the sky is falling the sky is falling Yes, quite literally, you support something i'm very much against. As a candidate, i can't support you whose willing to **** over other people so willingly who've done nothing but support this game. That's not what we need in CPM, that's what CCP wants to hear so they can justify more mistakes. More Omega Boosters before more Fanfest 2014's, more claims of 10 year plan then a year later scratching it off. more excuses to milk us to provide to another platform. You quite seriously need to rethink your position and wether or not you want to even continue playing this game, because your opinion put a bullseye on you for me.
Well, I'm not going to. Sorry. I'm interested in the long term survival of this game, not whether or not Shadowed Cola is happy with me. I've heard all sort of reasons why I'm not a good CPM candidate, including my posting a thirty second video of me sniping some dude in a Balac's Assault suit. The novelty and effect have pretty much worn off the stupider the reason gets. But I'm sure you'll find someone to wave your flag for you.
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Posted - 2015.08.01 20:11:00 -
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Shadowed Cola wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Shadowed Cola wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Shadowed Cola wrote:i want my vote back. I had no clue Aeon was bat **** crazy. Oh no, Aeon likes PC more than PS4 but would play on either, what ever will I do now that he isn't 100% against PC and 100% for PS4 the sky is falling the sky is falling Yes, quite literally, you support something i'm very much against. As a candidate, i can't support you whose willing to **** over other people so willingly who've done nothing but support this game. That's not what we need in CPM, that's what CCP wants to hear so they can justify more mistakes. More Omega Boosters before more Fanfest 2014's, more claims of 10 year plan then a year later scratching it off. more excuses to milk us to provide to another platform. You quite seriously need to rethink your position and wether or not you want to even continue playing this game, because your opinion put a bullseye on you for me. Well, I'm not going to. Sorry. I'm interested in the long term survival of this game, not whether or not Shadowed Cola is happy with me. I've heard all sort of reasons why I'm not a good CPM candidate, including my posting a thirty second video of me sniping some dude in a Balac's Assault suit. The novelty and effect have pretty much worn off the stupider the reason gets. But I'm sure you'll find someone to wave your flag for you. Sadly, your not running for a development position, but as a middle man for communications between us and CCP. want to explain your reasoning and logic to how you represent or speak for us when you don't agree with supporting us to begin with you ******* hypocrite?
Because the community's opinion on this is nebulous and not chalked up to any one person.
If both the Dust 514 community and the Eve Online community were 100% unanimous in that Dust 514 should be ported to the PS4, I'd say go for it. But unfortunately I'm looking at an active online player base of 3000 people on Dust 514, of which only a portion are arguing for it's continued existence on consoles, and an active player-base of 50,000 people on Eve Online, of which they are pretty much all arguing for it to be on PC.
Further more, because I feel it needs repeating since the point clearly hasn't been hammered into your head yet, I don't care if it goes to the PS4 or the PC. If it goes to the PS4, I'll throw down the $450 and get one and be playing right with you guys. If it goes to the PC, cool, I'll just spend that $450 on the game (probably through SKINs) and probably be just as happy with my financial decision making.
But then there's this: What about the portion of the community that wants Dust 514's continued development to remain on the PS3, because they cannot afford to shell out for either a PS4 or a PC? Am I supposed to ignore them as well because you want it on the PS4? Or am I supposed to consider them first and foremost as the top priority over you? You're wanting me to be 100% Pro-PS4 and I'm sorry but that's not going to happen. It's closed minded and obtuse.
It's a difficult decision, certainly, but it isn't my decision to make. It's CCP's. The only thing I care about is a port -at all-.
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Posted - 2015.08.01 20:28:00 -
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Shadowed Cola wrote:
Aeon, PS3 has no guaranteed future after 2015. Sony only promised support up to that point, it's up in the air if Dust can continue on PS3 wether CCP wants it or not.
That's why there's a call for the PS4 port lately, the certainty of even remaining as we are is starting to look grim.
But the real issue here is your outlook on your position - you have CPM all wrong. Of course it's important for you to understand development process, the meta, and everything in-between - but it's also important you connect with us.
and you don't. It's nice you stand by your opinions, but you lack the charisma to take it anywhere, it's left up to the people who reply to you to set the tone or wether or not you get trolled half the time. So if we can't expect you to voice our opinions and you suck at voicing your own - why would we elect you? Because you know things?
There is an important distinction between the community's voice and -your- voice.
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