DUST Search - [NPE Idea!] Closing the Gap between Noobs and Vets

Adipem Nothi wrote:

Boot Booter wrote:

I'd be on board with this. Why not. Could be exploitable if that substantial bonus is quite substantial...

Excellent point. Hadn't considered the possibility of Isk farming/transfer. Though ... if a player was intent on farming Isk wouldn't it be more efficient to simply run low-meta gear on his main? As for players orchestrating accelerated SP scenarios, I can't think of any detrimental exploits off-hand. Imagine Corp Recruits queuing opposite Corp Vets, who teach them the ropes using FW. I personally see no problem with those recruits progressing faster on account of a corp which provides that kind of investment and training (it'd be great for NPE).

Aeon Amadi wrote:

What would be done to prevent/limit kill whoring? What's to stop me from just waiting for my team-mate to get them low enough for me to get the last shot off and reap the rewards?

Karma?

I honestly wouldn't expect to see any change in the frequency of kill-stealing.

Sgt Kirk wrote:

I've been saying this for so long I just became tired of it. Who knows, maybe Rattati will actually acknowledged it this time.

Srlsy? Didn't mean to steal your idea, Kirk. The concept came to me last night after the same newbro caught and killed me twice in a row; thought to myself "self, this newbro deserves a nod beyond a gg mail." Please link your post(s), and I'll give you 100% credit in the Title and OP.

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Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.14 02:56:00 - [1] - Quote * Kill a merc with more SP than you, receive a small SP bonus EOM. * Kill a merc with substantially more SP than you, receive a substantial SP bonus EOM. * Kill a merc in higher meta gear than yours, receive a small Isk bonus EOM. * Kill a merc in substantially higher meta gear than yours, receive a substantial Isk bonus EOM. Given enough time and activity, newbros would begin to close the experience and wealth gap which separates them from veterans. This could make for rapid, activity-focused and performance-driven career advancement. Thoughts? Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
VAHZZ Corrosive Synergy No Context 2	Posted - 2015.06.14 03:00:00 - [2] - Quote Good idea, I kill other vets all the time. And ofc they have higher SP than me, I only got like 17mil SP. so this makes me happy. *"The humanoid cyclone stampede"* - Russel Mendoza All scouts, join the Scouts United chat.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.14 03:02:00 - [3] - Quote VAHZZ wrote: Good idea, I kill other vets all the time. And ofc they have higher SP than me, I only got like 17mil SP. so this makes me happy. Exactly! And if you did so while running lower-end gear, you'd potentially make alot of Isk when you do well against guys in higher-end gear. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Boot Booter Eat Your Cookies INC 1	Posted - 2015.06.14 03:09:00 - [4] - Quote I'd be on board with this. Why not. Could be exploitable if that substantial bonus is quite substantial...
PARKOUR PRACTIONER D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3	Posted - 2015.06.14 03:11:00 - [5] - Quote This should have been implemented long ago. Matari In-Game & Out Infiltrator-Sneaks behind enemy lines doing work no one else can UC3 no-limit level-WIN
IAmDuncanIdaho II Nos Nothi 2	Posted - 2015.06.14 06:57:00 - [6] - Quote I think this is an intersting idea and should be looked at. +1
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 981	Posted - 2015.06.14 07:00:00 - [7] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: * Kill a merc with more SP than you, receive a small bonus to EOM SP earnings. * Kill a merc with substantially more SP than you, receive a substantial bonus to EOM SP earnings. * Kill a merc in higher meta gear than yours, receive a small Isk bonus EOM. * Kill a merc in substantially higher meta gear than yours, receive a substantial Isk bonus EOM. Given enough time and activity, newbros would begin to close the experience and wealth gap which separates them from veterans. This could make for rapid, activity-focused and performance-driven career advancement. Thoughts? Good idea +1 I think the opposite should also be true. Massacre new players with your 50Mil+ Main should net you next to nothing.
Kalante Schiffer Ancient Exiles. 1	Posted - 2015.06.14 08:14:00 - [8] - Quote VAHZZ wrote: Good idea, I kill other vets all the time. And ofc they have higher SP than me, I only got like 17mil SP. so this makes me happy. it only takes like 8m sp to be somewhat competent. I was already doing clan or in this case (corp) battles butting heads with the likes of PBFHz second best corp in the dust at the time. We lost obviously. Then i fought hellstorm and we lost. My younger days in dust... i dont even know wtf was i doing. Well guess what, i was wearing advanced gear both of those battles other than my rifle which was the only thing i had maxed out. Back in the days when there was proficiency skills for range and damage. So you can image... you could make some seriously OP fits and go like 30 and 0 all day. Also back when people had like kdr's of over 10, 20 and even up to 30. I came in here from mw3 thinking wtf? why do these people have such high kdr's?. Then i found out why because i was also doing the same when i reached 8m sp. Newbros would get slaughtered and spawned killed on manus peak. Somehow dust still managed to keep relatively a high player base.
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 3	Posted - 2015.06.14 10:58:00 - [9] - Quote Kalante Schiffer wrote: VAHZZ wrote: Good idea, I kill other vets all the time. And ofc they have higher SP than me, I only got like 17mil SP. so this makes me happy. it only takes like 8m sp to be somewhat competent. I was already doing clan or in this case (corp) battles butting heads with the likes of PBFHz second best corp in the dust at the time. We lost obviously. Then i fought hellstorm and we lost. My younger days in dust... i dont even know wtf was i doing. Well guess what, i was wearing advanced gear both of those battles other than my rifle which was the only thing i had maxed out. Back in the days when there was proficiency skills for range and damage. So you can image... you could make some seriously OP fits and go like 30 and 0 all day. Also back when people had like kdr's of over 10, 20 and even up to 30. I came in here from mw3 thinking wtf? why do these people have such high kdr's?. Then i found out why because i was also doing the same when i reached 8m sp. Newbros would get slaughtered and spawned killed on manus peak. Yet somehow dust still managed to keep relatively a high player base. This made me think back, and you know you are right. But for some reasons, generally it is accepted that even with all of its previous flaws - back then (Chrome) was just fun to play. Yes we had range prof. and stuff like that but people still flocked in the thousands to play. I distinctly remember things going downhill afterwards. It's as if we have been trying to recuperate those lost players back into the fold ever since. "Madness how we turned our common-ground into a battle-ground.." - Essa
Dingleburt Bangledack Dingle's Discount Emporium 393	Posted - 2015.06.14 13:04:00 - [10] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: ...But for some reasons, generally it is accepted that even with all of its previous flaws - back then (Chrome) was just fun to play... I miss Chromosome... I want my Gunloggi slaughtering Viziam Lasers back! I want my Sharpshooter Prof 5 SGs and HMGs back! I want my old Manus Peak back! ... I want my fun back... Oh and as for the OP, uhh... sure, why not.

Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10	Posted - 2015.06.14 13:06:00 - [11] - Quote What would be done to prevent/limit kill whoring? What's to stop me from just waiting for my team-mate to get them low enough for me to get the last shot off and reap the rewards? Design a Skin Challenge POLL (Vote Now!)
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10	Posted - 2015.06.14 13:08:00 - [12] - Quote Kalante Schiffer wrote: VAHZZ wrote: Good idea, I kill other vets all the time. And ofc they have higher SP than me, I only got like 17mil SP. so this makes me happy. it only takes like 8m sp to be somewhat competent. I was already doing clan or in this case (corp) battles butting heads with the likes of PBFHz second best corp in the dust at the time. We lost obviously. Then i fought hellstorm and we lost. My younger days in dust... i dont even know wtf was i doing. Well guess what, i was wearing advanced gear both of those battles other than my rifle which was the only thing i had maxed out. Back in the days when there was proficiency skills for range and damage. So you can image... you could make some seriously OP fits and go like 30 and 0 all day. Also back when people had like kdr's of over 10, 20 and even up to 30. I came in here from mw3 thinking wtf? why do these people have such high kdr's?. Then i found out why because i was also doing the same when i reached 8m sp. Newbros would get slaughtered and spawned killed on manus peak. Yet somehow dust still managed to keep relatively a high player base. This post is intriguing to me because I was part of PFBHz and Hellstorm in those days ._. Now I feel on par with everyone else even with 75m SP, not as highly skilled as I was back then. I dunno why, maybe it is the changing meta or something. Design a Skin Challenge POLL (Vote Now!)
maybe deadcatz Horizons' Edge No Context 146	Posted - 2015.06.14 13:20:00 - [13] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: * Kill a merc with more SP than you, receive a small bonus to EOM SP earnings. * Kill a merc with substantially more SP than you, receive a substantial bonus to EOM SP earnings. * Kill a merc in higher meta gear than yours, receive a small Isk bonus EOM. * Kill a merc in substantially higher meta gear than yours, receive a substantial Isk bonus EOM. Given enough time and activity, newbros would begin to close the experience and wealth gap which separates them from veterans. This could make for rapid, activity-focused and performance-driven career advancement. Thoughts? Damn ******* genius moment there. Cherish that moment. Ewar? What's that? Some kind of fancy new way of being lazy? Learn how to use your eyes and ears you maggots.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 11	Posted - 2015.06.14 13:28:00 - [14] - Quote I've been saying this for so long I just became tired of it. Who knows, maybe Rattati will actually acknowledged it this time. TUNNEL SNAKES RULE!
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.14 13:34:00 - [15] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: I'd be on board with this. Why not. Could be exploitable if that substantial bonus is quite substantial... Excellent point. Hadn't considered the possibility of Isk farming/transfer. Though ... if a player was intent on farming Isk wouldn't it be more efficient to simply run low-meta gear on his main? Aeon Amadi wrote: What would be done to prevent/limit kill whoring? What's to stop me from just waiting for my team-mate to get them low enough for me to get the last shot off and reap the rewards? Karma? I honestly wouldn't expect to see any change in the frequency of kill-stealing. Sgt Kirk wrote: I've been saying this for so long I just became tired of it. Who knows, maybe Rattati will actually acknowledged it this time. Srlsy? Didn't mean to steal your idea, Kirk. The concept came to me last night after the same newbro caught and killed me twice in a row; thought to myself "self, this newbro deserves a nod beyond a gg mail." Please link your post(s), and I'll give you 100% credit in the Title and OP. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2015.06.14 13:38:00 - [16] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: * Kill a merc with more SP than you, receive a small bonus to EOM SP earnings. * Kill a merc with substantially more SP than you, receive a substantial bonus to EOM SP earnings. * Kill a merc in higher meta gear than yours, receive a small Isk bonus EOM. * Kill a merc in substantially higher meta gear than yours, receive a substantial Isk bonus EOM. Given enough time and activity, newbros would begin to close the experience and wealth gap which separates them from veterans. This could make for rapid, activity-focused and performance-driven career advancement. Thoughts? I've been proposing this kind of mechanic for 2+ years. Nowadays i'd like to see it based on mu and for the bonus to be in WP but your criteria are good too. There's a bigger issue here - if we can find a set of game mechanics that allow us to keep the player population together, as opposed to splitting it up by mu or meta, Dust will get healthier in terms of generating matches and the social mixing of the playerbase. Your proposed rules are a good start. I'd also like to see shared scans removed from pubs as they're the single biggest multiplier to squad power. With those two changes noobs would have incentive and the merest sliver of a fighting chance. For motivated new mercs it would make a hella difference to their experience in matches. PSN: RationalSpark
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2015.06.14 13:41:00 - [17] - Quote Regis Blackbird wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: * Kill a merc with more SP than you, receive a small bonus to EOM SP earnings. * Kill a merc with substantially more SP than you, receive a substantial bonus to EOM SP earnings. * Kill a merc in higher meta gear than yours, receive a small Isk bonus EOM. * Kill a merc in substantially higher meta gear than yours, receive a substantial Isk bonus EOM. Given enough time and activity, newbros would begin to close the experience and wealth gap which separates them from veterans. This could make for rapid, activity-focused and performance-driven career advancement. Thoughts? Good idea +1 I think the opposite should also be true. Massacre new players with your 50Mil+ Main should net you next to nothing. Whenever i've proposed this vets pile onto the thread wailing and crying and threatening to leave the game forever. PSN: RationalSpark
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10	Posted - 2015.06.14 13:43:00 - [18] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: I've been saying this for so long I just became tired of it. Who knows, maybe Rattati will actually acknowledged it this time. Srlsy? Didn't mean to steal your idea, Kirk. The concept came to me last night after the same newbro caught and killed me twice in a row; thought to myself "self, this newbro deserves a nod beyond a gg mail." Please link your post(s), and I'll give you 100% credit in the Title and OP. You are being unusually polite. I'm sort of wondering what you're motives are lately. Design a Skin Challenge POLL (Vote Now!)
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.14 13:57:00 - [19] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: I've been saying this for so long I just became tired of it. Who knows, maybe Rattati will actually acknowledged it this time. Srlsy? Didn't mean to steal your idea, Kirk. The concept came to me last night after the same newbro caught and killed me twice in a row; thought to myself "self, this newbro deserves a nod beyond a gg mail." Please link your post(s), and I'll give you 100% credit in the Title and OP. You are being unusually polite. I'm sort of wondering what you're motives are lately. Motives!? Not running for CPM. Promise. Primary motive of this thread is to pitch an idea for improving new player experience and retention rates; eve-offline's steady downtick in headcount makes me uneasy. This game has so much potential; it would be a shame and a waste to see it die. Secondary motive is to hint to Kirk that I do feel bad about throwing him under the bus. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 1	Posted - 2015.06.14 14:22:00 - [20] - Quote Not a bad idea at all. +1 Hypothetical CPM Platform

VikingKong iBUN 0uter.Heaven 413	Posted - 2015.06.14 14:28:00 - [21] - Quote Closing the gap between noobs and vets would cause half the vets to leave. People who have spent the last 2 years saving up 80 million SP are going to be very angry if they're suddenly a noob again. I would like a Gallente SMG.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 11	Posted - 2015.06.14 14:34:00 - [22] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Boot Booter wrote: I'd be on board with this. Why not. Could be exploitable if that substantial bonus is quite substantial... Excellent point. Hadn't considered the possibility of Isk farming/transfer. Though ... if a player was intent on farming Isk wouldn't it be more efficient to simply run low-meta gear on his main? As for players orchestrating accelerated SP scenarios, I can't think of any detrimental exploits off-hand. Imagine Corp Recruits queuing opposite Corp Vets, who teach them the ropes using FW. I personally see no problem with those recruits progressing faster on account of a corp which provides that kind of investment and training (it'd be great for NPE). Aeon Amadi wrote: What would be done to prevent/limit kill whoring? What's to stop me from just waiting for my team-mate to get them low enough for me to get the last shot off and reap the rewards? Karma? I honestly wouldn't expect to see any change in the frequency of kill-stealing. Sgt Kirk wrote: I've been saying this for so long I just became tired of it. Who knows, maybe Rattati will actually acknowledged it this time. Srlsy? Didn't mean to steal your idea, Kirk. The concept came to me last night after the same newbro caught and killed me twice in a row; thought to myself "self, this newbro deserves a nod beyond a gg mail." Please link your post(s), and I'll give you 100% credit in the Title and OP. No, no, I'm not the only one who's said it. No light stealing. I just find it funny how a lot of the old ideas some of the older guys have been trying to get implemented were shot down, or simply ignored. Then Rattati comes along and actually does some of the things, and voila! Things are actually working out. Who knew listening to the players who knew what they were talking about would have good results. TUNNEL SNAKES RULE!
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 2	Posted - 2015.06.14 16:21:00 - [23] - Quote I welcome everyone to enjoy The Kero-Pi+¦ata!!! KERO-TRADER is my official Eve character for Dust trading.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.14 16:27:00 - [24] - Quote VikingKong iBUN wrote: Closing the gap between noobs and vets would cause half the vets to leave. People who have spent the last 2 years saving up 80 million SP are going to be very angry if they're suddenly a noob again. Fair point. The title was perhaps misleading; changed it from "Closing the Gap" to "Narrowing the Gap" ... this better fits the intent. In practice, I don't believe that noobs slay veterans all that often. Assuming they did and did so often, it would still take years for a 1M SP newbro to actually catch up to an 80M SP vet even with a substantial SP bonus. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Thokk Nightshade Montana Militia 915	Posted - 2015.06.24 00:45:00 - [25] - Quote If I am running a basic heavy suit with a basic HMG and I knock off a Proto Gal Sent w/ a boundless HMG, I believe I deserve a substantial reward. There are 2 reasons for that. 1: It will (likely) rarely happen 2: If someone has the skill to do that on a regular basis, they deserve to be rewarded. Now, I will admit freely I run a lot of Starter/ cheap fits because I'm trying to save up my ISK (Sitting at about 34 mil right now, which is as high as I've ever had it). My SP is right in that same window (about 31 Mil). So anything that would help me increase my bankroll I would be all for. Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
Terry Webber Molon Labe. RUST415 757	Posted - 2015.06.24 01:22:00 - [26] - Quote This idea is worth a try. Inertial Booster Module Vehicle Installation
Reallusion GrimSleeper Need Permission to Die LLC 100	Posted - 2015.06.24 01:37:00 - [27] - Quote I like the idea... a lot.Of course people that are maxed on their chars are just going to make new accounts and TROLL like heck, but for hardcore players that like to play fair games, it would be awesome to implement. Reallusion's EMP Tesla Sniper Rifle
Dzago Sevatarion DUST University Ivy League 30	Posted - 2015.06.24 01:43:00 - [28] - Quote It's a good idea, but I think it will really benefit veteran alt farming more than new players.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 12	Posted - 2015.06.24 01:46:00 - [29] - Quote Not the first time I encountered similar ideas to this, but still neat. I support. Gû¦Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum altGû+
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet RUST415 246	Posted - 2015.06.24 01:53:00 - [30] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: * Kill a merc with more SP than you, receive a small bonus to EOM SP earnings. * Kill a merc with substantially more SP than you, receive a substantial bonus to EOM SP earnings. * Kill a merc in higher meta gear than yours, receive a small Isk bonus EOM. * Kill a merc in substantially higher meta gear than yours, receive a substantial Isk bonus EOM. Given enough time and activity, newbros would begin to close the experience and wealth gap which separates them from veterans. This could make for rapid, activity-focused and performance-driven career advancement. Thoughts? Nice ideas! Have you considered the golden gun?



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