DUST Search - Any New Heavy Weapons yet?

Omega Nox wrote:

CCP Rattati wrote:

DJIPS wrote:

CCP Rattati wrote:

I was actually testing an idea, a scrambler rifle (heavy) that shot approximately 5-7 shots in a very quick burst, but only had the same amount of shots in the clip, so needed a long reload after each one. It could put the hurt on anyone, but could not be rapid fired due to overheat.

It was kind of fun.

Can that weapon use charge burst ? Shocked

Sadly no, that was literally what I was aiming for What?

take a RR model, make it approximate the bolt pistol in function and make it a Cal heavy. US SOF uses the mk46/mk48 use the 48 as a reference and it's characteristics as opposed to a RL hmg, with the bolt pistols trigger characteristics.

While the mk 46 uses NATO 5.56, the mk48 uses a 7.62, it would be a long range, heavy hitting weapon with accuracy, but limited by the bolt pistols trigger characteristics. Lore + risk/reward.

Rail guns in the real world do not have recoil, they use smaller projectiles and kill by kinetic energy as opposed to high recoil, high ROF, high caliber "rifled" weapons.

the problem with balancing the RR's in dust is the use of high caliber, high ROF and high damage at the expense of handling.

Make it an accurate, long range kinetic kill weapon with a lower ROF-make this work and you'll be able to fix infanty/assault variants with the same lower ROF, accuracy, long range, and kinetic ability.

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Clobnarr Art.of.Death 27	Posted - 2015.06.11 13:02:00 - [31] - Quote Ceadda Sai wrote: Galm Fae wrote: [quote=CCP Rattati] Seriously though, maybe a heavy melee weapon isn't a bad idea. Can we give heavys a giant hammer??? Like a seriously big one. Jumpy heavy + giant hammer = Smash Bros style f*** you up
Omega Nox Consolidated Dust 85	Posted - 2015.06.11 13:10:00 - [32] - Quote Clobnarr wrote: Ceadda Sai wrote: Galm Fae wrote: [quote=CCP Rattati] Seriously though, maybe a heavy melee weapon isn't a bad idea. Can we give heavys a giant hammer??? Like a seriously big one. Jumpy heavy + giant hammer = Smash Bros style f*** you up In the blue corner weighing in at a svelt 246kg Clobber "the Hammer" Clobnarr....and in the red corner, Glitchy "The Scout" Finklemen.......let's get ready to rummmmbllle! Mordu's walking quafe mascot.
ANAHEIM Darko Corrosive Synergy No Context 750	Posted - 2015.06.11 13:15:00 - [33] - Quote I'm not a huge fan of melee weapons. Nova Knives make sense, but a heavy suit with a giant hammer? Really? I'll stick to my Freedom AHMG thank you. Assault ck.0. Scout ck.0. Sentinel ck.0 Commando cK.0
ANAHEIM Darko Corrosive Synergy No Context 750	Posted - 2015.06.11 13:17:00 - [34] - Quote What I'd really like to see though is Amarr/Gallente heavy weapons before we see more Min/Cal variants. Scrambler lance for Amarr (Anti-Infantry), and some sort of anti-vehicle plasma weapon for the Gallente. 2 AI, 2 AV. Balance. Assault ck.0. Scout ck.0. Sentinel ck.0 Commando cK.0
MrCriminal High Power Art.of.Death 44	Posted - 2015.06.11 13:40:00 - [35] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I was actually testing an idea, a scrambler rifle (heavy) that shot approximately 5-7 shots in a very quick burst, but only had the same amount of shots in the clip, so needed a long reload after each one. It could put the hurt on anyone, but could not be rapid fired due to overheat. It was kind of fun. Yes the Amarr will finally get their own HMG.!! (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ¤.°n+ín+ƒGÿåGùÅ°.LASERS BTCH!!!!!! El Diablo 666
Koch Rosenzweig THE LAST H0PE. RUST415 221	Posted - 2015.06.11 13:44:00 - [36] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I was actually testing an idea, a scrambler rifle (heavy) that shot approximately 5-7 shots in a very quick burst, but only had the same amount of shots in the clip, so needed a long reload after each one. It could put the hurt on anyone, but could not be rapid fired due to overheat. It was kind of fun. Damm, Ratis, you are a beast, keep with da gud work *Slap in your biotic ass.*
Tech Ohm Eaven Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 1	Posted - 2015.06.11 13:47:00 - [37] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I was actually testing an idea, a scrambler rifle (heavy) that shot approximately 5-7 shots in a very quick burst, but only had the same amount of shots in the clip, so needed a long reload after each one. It could put the hurt on anyone, but could not be rapid fired due to overheat. It was kind of fun. thanks but not what i had in mind three years ago three years ago i asked for the logi healing gun to work on enemies by slowing them down and DISrepairing enemy shields-armor along with a heavy laser weapon with a full frontal shield module but only at 180 degrees leaving the other 180 degrees vulnerable just a few lines of code to turn a regular laser into a heavy weapon laser just a few lines of code for a heavy laser shield module but always no thanks for your hard work on dust 514 but these days i game on the ps4
idlerowl Old-Type Loud and Dawn 23	Posted - 2015.06.11 15:08:00 - [38] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: DJIPS wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I was actually testing an idea, a scrambler rifle (heavy) that shot approximately 5-7 shots in a very quick burst, but only had the same amount of shots in the clip, so needed a long reload after each one. It could put the hurt on anyone, but could not be rapid fired due to overheat. It was kind of fun. Can that weapon use charge burst ? Sadly no, that was literally what I was aiming for Huum..... That heavy weapon is Amarr. Gallente heavy weapon is comming same time ...? And forge gun rebalance ..? (wisper) But I'm lovin' Caldari assault (wisper)
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 2	Posted - 2015.06.11 15:10:00 - [39] - Quote Jade Dragonis wrote: I Doubt it cause it wont make them as much money as silly skins. +1 if you want new heavy weapons as well. Performance before new toys, KERO-TRADER is my official Eve character for Dust trading.
Nirwanda Vaughns 1	Posted - 2015.06.11 15:20:00 - [40] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I was actually testing an idea, a scrambler rifle (heavy) that shot approximately 5-7 shots in a very quick burst, but only had the same amount of shots in the clip, so needed a long reload after each one. It could put the hurt on anyone, but could not be rapid fired due to overheat. It was kind of fun. thanks but not what i had in mind three years ago three years ago i asked for the logi healing gun to work on enemies by slowing them down and DISrepairing enemy shields-armor sounds like the stasis webbifier idea i had many moons ago too. works similar to the EVE version where its a targetted beam that slows enemy vehicles down by a fixed %age depending on meta level. the rep tool model could be used and it'd encourage more 2nd gunners in order to shoot at infantry webbing you You'll never have enough ISK to buy my C-II BPO

Jade Dragonis GRIM MERCS 450	Posted - 2015.06.11 15:24:00 - [41] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Jade Dragonis wrote: I Doubt it cause it wont make them as much money as silly skins. +1 if you want new heavy weapons as well. Performance before new toys, 2 years of performance work ........ its time........ Follow me on Youtube
Scheneighnay McBob Tribal Liberation Force Paramilitary 7	Posted - 2015.06.11 20:05:00 - [42] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I was actually testing an idea, a scrambler rifle (heavy) that shot approximately 5-7 shots in a very quick burst, but only had the same amount of shots in the clip, so needed a long reload after each one. It could put the hurt on anyone, but could not be rapid fired due to overheat. It was kind of fun. This is just playing around with existing models, right? Rule 34.6.1: every parody will have a crossover
Operative 1174 Uuali True Companion Planetary Requisitions 822	Posted - 2015.06.11 20:10:00 - [43] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I was actually testing an idea, a scrambler rifle (heavy) that shot approximately 5-7 shots in a very quick burst, but only had the same amount of shots in the clip, so needed a long reload after each one. It could put the hurt on anyone, but could not be rapid fired due to overheat. It was kind of fun. Make the swarms and PLC heavy weapons. The CPM candidate we need, not the one we want. Friends are nice, ideas are golden.
Scheneighnay McBob Tribal Liberation Force Paramilitary 7	Posted - 2015.06.11 20:17:00 - [44] - Quote DJIPS wrote: Hmm... By the way, Is there any ideas or tests of Gal heavy weapon ? I want powerful flamethrower ! It's called the plasma mortar. That's all we know Rule 34.6.1: every parody will have a crossover
Scheneighnay McBob Tribal Liberation Force Paramilitary 7	Posted - 2015.06.11 20:18:00 - [45] - Quote Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I was actually testing an idea, a scrambler rifle (heavy) that shot approximately 5-7 shots in a very quick burst, but only had the same amount of shots in the clip, so needed a long reload after each one. It could put the hurt on anyone, but could not be rapid fired due to overheat. It was kind of fun. Make the swarms and PLC heavy weapons. Actual rocket launchers are actually pretty light. Rule 34.6.1: every parody will have a crossover
Thokk Nightshade Montana Militia 895	Posted - 2015.06.11 20:49:00 - [46] - Quote Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I was actually testing an idea, a scrambler rifle (heavy) that shot approximately 5-7 shots in a very quick burst, but only had the same amount of shots in the clip, so needed a long reload after each one. It could put the hurt on anyone, but could not be rapid fired due to overheat. It was kind of fun. Make the swarms and PLC heavy weapons. Swarm that is single fire and will lock on to clones. Low ROF, 200-250 DPS. Lol Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
Thokk Nightshade Montana Militia 895	Posted - 2015.06.11 20:57:00 - [47] - Quote Give us the Javelin from Iron Man as a heavy weapon. Shoots 1 round using R1, L1 to detonate (like an RE) and it rains down individual mortars in a circular pattern that explode on impact. Higher the detonation, bitter spread. Closer to ground, more concentrated. Must be initially set off 10 M or higher to allow activstion. 5-7-9 shells for std/adv/pri. 7 meter blast radius per shell, 300 DPS. 1 round magazine, 20 second reload time, 8 rounds carried. Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
Bright Steel Horizons' Edge No Context 1	Posted - 2015.06.11 20:58:00 - [48] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: we just need a Heavy shield based AV. Gallente Plasma Forge or an Ammar Laser Forge would be nice. Laser/Scrambler probs be nice. Charge up and a big single shot to put the hurt of Pythons and Gunnlogis What if we used the existing forge gun, changed it to a red ball and called it a laser forge? Dust 514, the BEST WORST game you can't stop playing.
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 759	Posted - 2015.06.11 21:06:00 - [49] - Quote My vote is either chicken launcher or burrito bomber. Target hit by burrito bomber overwhelmed with burrito goodness: 40 percent penalty to movement. Saying what's on people's minds
Georgia Xavier Y.A.M.A.H No Context 661	Posted - 2015.06.11 21:10:00 - [50] - Quote Krixus Flux wrote: My vote is either chicken launcher or burrito bomber. Target hit by burrito bomber overwhelmed with burrito goodness: 40 percent penalty to movement. I wouldn't call being rained on by burrito a penalty Click me

William Harold highland marines Immortals of War 4	Posted - 2015.06.11 21:54:00 - [51] - Quote Omega Nox wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: DJIPS wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I was actually testing an idea, a scrambler rifle (heavy) that shot approximately 5-7 shots in a very quick burst, but only had the same amount of shots in the clip, so needed a long reload after each one. It could put the hurt on anyone, but could not be rapid fired due to overheat. It was kind of fun. Can that weapon use charge burst ? Sadly no, that was literally what I was aiming for take a RR model, make it approximate the bolt pistol in function and make it a Cal heavy. US SOF uses the mk46/mk48 use the 48 as a reference and it's characteristics as opposed to a RL hmg, with the bolt pistols trigger characteristics. While the mk 46 uses NATO 5.56, the mk48 uses a 7.62, it would be a long range, heavy hitting weapon with accuracy, but limited by the bolt pistols trigger characteristics. Lore + risk/reward. Rail guns in the real world do not have recoil, they use smaller projectiles and kill by kinetic energy as opposed to high recoil, high ROF, high caliber "rifled" weapons. the problem with balancing the RR's in dust is the use of high caliber, high ROF and high damage at the expense of handling. Make it an accurate, long range kinetic kill weapon with a lower ROF-make this work and you'll be able to fix infanty/assault variants with the same lower ROF, accuracy, long range, and kinetic ability. A MK.48-type of weapon would be cool as hell and true SAW-like addition to DUST. "Your penis just got fluxed." - Unholy Hategore
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1	Posted - 2015.06.11 22:35:00 - [52] - Quote I feel like the Heavy weapons should be divided into Heavy Anti-Personnel and Heavy Anti-Vehicle. We have two heavy weapons right now. The Minmatar HMG, clearly an Anti-Personnel weapon that you could argue is effective against personnel. The Caldari Forge Gun, clearly an Anti-Vehicle weapon that you could argue is effective against vehicles. The Caldari Forge Gun however is NOT effective against personnel as a conventional weapon. You can kill people with it, no duh, but it's not effective at all at doing that. The Caldari deserve a heavy weapon that is efficient for Anti-Personnel battles. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." http://royventus.tumblr.com
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.06.11 22:38:00 - [53] - Quote the terrifying thing is what rattati's describing actually matches one of the weapon proposals I submitted through the CPM. Described slightly different, of course, but charge-burst-fire I am horridly, morbidly curious to see if that's where this idea came from. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
jerrmy12 kahoalii G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 1	Posted - 2015.06.11 23:06:00 - [54] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I was actually testing an idea, a scrambler rifle (heavy) that shot approximately 5-7 shots in a very quick burst, but only had the same amount of shots in the clip, so needed a long reload after each one. It could put the hurt on anyone, but could not be rapid fired due to overheat. It was kind of fun. The heavy weapon should have slightly more damage per shot than its light varient if the ROF isn't much higher. Closed beta vet. Master troll. No lifer. Master lurker.
deezy dabest 2	Posted - 2015.06.11 23:18:00 - [55] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I was actually testing an idea, a scrambler rifle (heavy) that shot approximately 5-7 shots in a very quick burst, but only had the same amount of shots in the clip, so needed a long reload after each one. It could put the hurt on anyone, but could not be rapid fired due to overheat. It was kind of fun. I feel like this weapon wold not be very popular. Having one chance to hit a scout before his combat rifle shreds through your suit just seems like a big no go. Since it is a laser weapon it will either end up seriously under powered against armor or shield users will scream for a nerf until the end of all time. Amarr heavies (and really all of them in general) need a new cqc weapon. It is VERY boring knowing that if you plan on doing point defense you are just going to be sitting there with a HMG waiting on a scout to assault you. If you want to just mesh something together just make a laser HMG. AScR + HMG would mean we atleast have an option in the heavy suit.
Darken-Sol Intruder Excluder 1	Posted - 2015.06.11 23:31:00 - [56] - Quote A breach shotgun with more rounds. Better range and mediocre reload. Crush them
Greiv Rabbah ROGUE RELICS 320	Posted - 2015.06.14 18:12:00 - [57] - Quote DJIPS wrote: Hmm... By the way, Is there any ideas or tests of Gal heavy weapon ? I want powerful flamethrower ! have been suggesting a flamethrower for over 2 years. would be a great idea i think, if implemented well. extreme close range (in line with blaster tech) cone of death (in line with heavy weapons) increasing damage over time (in line with weapons that cook an enemy) with overheat (in line with weapons that generate massive power through usage) but no seize (providing opportunities to overheat weapon in order to finish off an opponent) and deals double damage to user once it overheats (in order to balance out lack of seize). theres an idea of a gal heavy weapon for you. if you like it, spread the word :) i really wanna see this introduced someday even though i'm a shield based scout (and therefore would hate to have this used on me) Sebiestor scout, MTAC pilot, Merc w/ a face
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.06.14 18:17:00 - [58] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: I feel like this weapon wold not be very popular. Having one chance to hit a scout before his combat rifle shreds through your suit just seems like a big no go. Since it is a laser weapon it will either end up seriously under powered against armor or shield users will scream for a nerf until the end of all time. Amarr heavies (and really all of them in general) need a new cqc weapon. It is VERY boring knowing that if you plan on doing point defense you are just going to be sitting there with a HMG waiting on a scout to assault you. If you want to just mesh something together just make a laser HMG. AScR + HMG would mean we atleast have an option in the heavy suit. Please ignore everything this man has said. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Greiv Rabbah ROGUE RELICS 320	Posted - 2015.06.14 18:28:00 - [59] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: the terrifying thing is what rattati's describing actually matches one of the weapon proposals I submitted through the CPM. Described slightly different, of course, but charge-burst-fire using the scrambler rifle model. I just had it twigged as a light AV weapon. I am horridly, morbidly curious to see if that's where this idea came from. any good reason this couldnt be an AV-capable weapon? i'd like to see something like this used to knock dropships around a little/scare away tanks/blow up cars. a question ive got though is why make it light av when its not a light weapon? better heavy weapon options for AV would reduce the incidence of swarms being king of AV wouldnt it? IMO, swarms/mass driver/plasma cannon should be light AV unless used by commandos and heavy weapons should be able to take on a stronger role in AV. is there any serious problem with that logic? a heavy pulse laser like this with an AV profile would make an ideal counter to a minmatar HAV (if they ever get added) Sebiestor scout, MTAC pilot, Merc w/ a face
Nirwanda Vaughns 1	Posted - 2015.06.14 19:43:00 - [60] - Quote Bright Steel wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: we just need a Heavy shield based AV. Gallente Plasma Forge or an Ammar Laser Forge would be nice. Laser/Scrambler probs be nice. Charge up and a big single shot to put the hurt of Pythons and Gunnlogis What if we used the existing forge gun, changed it to a red ball and called it a laser forge? i battered out an idea about 18months ago of either using the existing forge model in a silver/green colour of gallente and having the Gallente Plasma Forge Gun or using the PLC model but making it a heavy slot and working in the same way as a forge. essentially the Breach FG is the gallente variant. we just need a heavy shield based AV and then we'd finally be able to have proper balance in vehicles as well as AV You'll never have enough ISK to buy my C-II BPO



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