Shields for clone units are a must have: we should re-spawn inside the clone units, not appear out of nowhere magically (also lore-wise EVE doesn't have materialization) and have a shield that protects our spawn-door: grenades/explosives would be automatically deactivated passing through the shield and bullets won't be able to enter.
Also clone units should have a sensor, 10 meter radius, so that if an enemy is camping near them he is automatically shown on the map.

=when i actually get into the game i will be dead literally.

I rescind my earlier suggestion and agree with this wholeheartedly.

would fix the spawn-die problem.

Oh, hey, somebody beat me to this!

Yes, this - ten thousand times - this.

i still think the best method would be to have a drop blast from your decent (spawn) that would kill spawn campers, would act kinda like a telafrag)

i still think the best method would be to have a drop blast from your decent (spawn) that would kill spawn campers, would act kinda like a telafrag)

Sadly that would resolve the problem for mercs using clone units: without a shield clone units are easy target of spawn-campers.

not all the spawn points are clone stations.
for a clone station i think, first you should spawn inside since there is a door. then there should be a 5-10 second shield (will only last 1 second after you begin attacking, if you started attacking before the shield timer ended. also this you spawn then wait for your screen to load in is a hindrance and needs to be removed, it doesn't happen in any other fps i have played..

How about CRU shield bubbles like a POS in Eve has with an indicator how much shield is left for a given CRU on the spawn map? Then you could choose if spawning on X is safe.
Of course spawning on objectives and drop uplinks should have a proper "hell from above" type of spawning, by shooting a pod down the orbit or spitting clones out from an MCC, even ejecting from an RDV would do the trick with inertia dampener active.

IMO either we should not be able to a place Spawns in-door, lore-wise materialization in EVE doesn't exist in EVE

HotDrop O'Clock would like to disagree with you.

I do feel there needs to be a change in the way people enter battle to prevent spawn camping.

This time between physical spawn and control is killing me when we get pushed back to the base.

Personally I think static spawn points should not exist. If you are able to choose where a spawn point lands
or where the soldiers land [for exmaple from a drop ship][ that would make a far more fluid gameplay and also
mean that defence is more of a consideration for the defenders.

Soldiers could also arrive from off-map on the borders and get to choose where they march in from. If you can
choose where a spawn point is then you can't complain about spawn campers because its your fault for not
defending the spawn.

Potential solution?

We should get DROPPED by the MCC or one of its tenders aiming for a spawn point of our choosing, we then have about 10 seconds on free fall to guide us a little around that area for a final drop spot.

The longer drop time for player deployed spawn nodes can them be explained by having to be dropped from the MCC itself or the tender having to re-aim you first, the reduced time for higher tier nodes can then be the a function of signal strength.

It solves the problem of why clone vats are needed and you can still re-spawn on something the size of a laptop. The size of the clone vats can then be explained by being heavier signal generators and power supply, as deployed spawn nodes have a limited number of drops in them.

Caveat, actually dropping won't work inside.

Besides, the notion of waking up being shot out of a cannon, on a ballistic course towards your spawn point sounds awesome...

From another thread on the topic.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=133163#post133163



This would also help in two other ways, one, people are not just sitting there waiting for a timer, players dropping may be lucky and get a little information on enemy movements, and the best, almost evil part is that with a little control, we can literally drop in on an enemy...or on him.

-Hot Drops (Skirmish/large scale Ambush)
~It is implied mercs are first deployed from an orbiting station or ship, based on the pre-game lobby and the fact that we have inertial stabilizers for slowing atmospheric descent. At the beginning of the match, players are spawned via a "hot drop" - they select a point on the map, and instead of waiting ten seconds are immediately dropped into the game high in the sky on that point of the map. Spawning near enemy territory or turrets will cause them to shoot you out of the air, preventing enemies from just landing on the objective at the beginning of the game. For the rest of the game, a drop beacon is by default located at each team's base and encompasses it's entirety, eliminating any worry about enemy teams simply spawn camping the defending team's spawn point(s).

A deployable drop beacon can be implemented as well, making it possible for allies (the entire team, not just the squad like the drop uplink) to drop in the area around the beacon (highlighted on the map by a blue circle when the beacon is selected as a spawn point). Players would simply select where in the blue circle they would like to spawn, and bam - they start dropping. If they handled their descent properly, they'll land and be immediately ready for battle, no black fade to screw them up and no enemies able to predict their landing point.

-Clone Reserve Unit
~Players should spawn inside the CRU, rather than outside. Black fade in represents the clone's "eyes opening".
~Make CRU larger to reciprocate multiple people spawning inside
~Doors on either side of the CRU. Shielded so that enemies can't shoot in, but friendlies can shoot out (no fish in a barrel for heavy gunners). In order to kill people inside the CRU, simply hack it to disable the bullet-cancelling effect of the shields.

I'm not so bothered about being camped a CRU, but I am concerned that when a team has only the back-up spawn site remaining (and so have no choice about where to spawn) that they can be killed instantly.

Instead, this backup spawn site should be somewhere that the other team does not have line-of-sight access to. In Brink is was possible on some maps to be camped into the spawning area - but you'd only be killed as you tried to leave not as you spawned. And of course, this gives your team the opportunity to work together and bust your way out :).

Agreed. But the spawn shield should work both ways. Can't fire in or out of it.

the solution from a video-game standpoint is easy. Just "randomize" the spawn points.

Deployment should be similar to Starhawk by dropping from the sky. Just like in EVE trailer (Immortality).

I really think Dust needs spawn shields for a couple of reasons. One reason is that when i spawn sometimes right when i actually get into the game i will be dead literally. Another reason is so that you can get out of the way if someone happens to be next of the spawn. So you guys at CCP should make at least a 5 second spawn shield.

PLEASE CONSIDER THIS!!!!!

NO to spawn shield, this is not a CoD or BF, this is not a solution of problem.

i still think the best method would be to have a drop blast from your decent (spawn) that would kill spawn campers, would act kinda like a telafrag)