DUST Search - Ending the argument of DUST on PC or PS4

Jack McReady wrote:

Ripley Riley wrote:

Vrain Matari wrote:

I always have a good PC and will prolly set up a steam box someday...maybe.

But my motiviation for wanting to see Dust on PS4 is that hacking/botting becomes that much harder and has repercussions outside of Dust.

We already know that peeps will cheat the kittenfuck out of this game and if we can't promise the EVE alliances that battles are immune to being influenced by bot-inspired losses of important EVE-Dust joint operations then they will simply dismiss Dust as irrelevant.

Worse still, if hacked/botted battles were to become a topic of conversation, the EVE playerbase would prolly revolt and demand Dust be disconnected from EVE, or be made trivial and harmless: y'know, like we are now.

That's why PS4.

Oh goodness. This argument again. As consoles try harder and harder to become PCs, they fall prey to the same problems. If someone wants to hack a PS4 to cheat they simply will. The reason we hear more about the PC cheating problem is due to more people playing PCs vs. Xbox One/PS4.

Reporting cheaters and CCP having the staffing to handle those reports are the solution to this problem blown out of proportion. Eventually, if Dust turns a profit like I believe it will on PC, they can start up a Dust-version of Team Security. For those unaware, Team Security handles cheating/botting issues in Eve: Online.

you can only cheat on the playstion if developer actually allows to copy paste saves and game files (like some stupid devs allowed on ps3) from drive to pc and vice versa and then use it in multiplayer battles as host.

manipulating data and bots are not possible to do on ps4 either, for that you would require to be able to run such software on the ps4 simultanously while playing the game which again is no way.

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VAHZZ The Nerf Herders 2	Posted - 2015.06.05 07:53:00 - [1] - Quote AlienWare is making a console, a Steam console, that plays PC games in the steam library. It is coming out with a controller specifically designed for it and looks similar to the Xbox controller. It plays every game in the Steam Library, barring some, so if DUST gets ported to the PC and is set on Steam just like EVE Online, you can use the Steam Machine to play DUST like we are now. PS4 JUST BECAME ******* IRRELEVANT BITCHES. "I bring nothing, I bless nothing, I save nothing; I just erase; completely, shatter."
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 8	Posted - 2015.06.05 08:39:00 - [2] - Quote ouch my brain, that was painful to read... Vote Viktor Hadah for CPM2 or i'll hurt you. CBM In the CPM Get Dust ISK Here
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 2	Posted - 2015.06.05 10:49:00 - [3] - Quote Yes, cause playing Dust or Steam games is the only reasons anyone would ever buy a PS4.... Spkr4theDead wrote: Says the guy that was quitting the game because CCP were nerfing fused locus grenades.
Scotty AI MatchMaker The Templis Dragonaurs Evil Syndicate Alliance. 105	Posted - 2015.06.05 11:02:00 - [4] - Quote 99.9% of steam games are toss compared to most PS4 titles (EA GAMES EXCLUDED) 'There is an art to dying, but its a dying art.'
Jonny D Buelle Mors Effera 1	Posted - 2015.06.05 11:12:00 - [5] - Quote Scotty AI MatchMaker wrote: 99.9% of steam games are toss compared to most PS4 titles (EA GAMES EXCLUDED) You lie! Goat Simulater is best simulater! Give me my Plasma Flamethrower or give me a cookie!
Raven Harkonen Prima Gallicus 33	Posted - 2015.06.05 11:19:00 - [6] - Quote PS4 = arround 350Gé¼ PC (a good one graphism, durability, ect...)= 600Gé¼ minimum if you know good places to buy... Major argument... ~Un membre rond n'est pas fait pour un trou ovale!~ ~A round member is not made for an oval hole!~ Marquis de Sade
Jonny D Buelle Mors Effera 1	Posted - 2015.06.05 11:25:00 - [7] - Quote Raven Harkonen wrote: PS4 = arround 350Gé¼ PC (a good one graphism, durability, ect...)= 600Gé¼ minimum if you know good places to buy... Major argument... Disclaimer: Prices are drastically different in different countries. PS4 Brand new from EB Games in NZ (at least my town) is almost $600. Give me my Plasma Flamethrower or give me a cookie!
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 2	Posted - 2015.06.05 11:31:00 - [8] - Quote VAHZZ wrote: AlienWare is making a console, a Steam console, that plays PC games in the steam library. It is coming out with a controller specifically designed for it and looks similar to the Xbox controller. It plays every game in the Steam Library, barring some, so if DUST gets ported to the PC and is set on Steam just like EVE Online, you can use the Steam Machine to play DUST like we are now. PS4 JUST BECAME ***** IRRELEVANT BITCHES. the alienware computer is not a console. it is a regular PC with cramped peripherals and SteamOS as operating system. you could aswell install windows on it and do work. Raven Harkonen wrote:** PS4 = arround 350Gé¼ PC (a good one graphism, durability, ect...)= 600Gé¼ minimum if you know good places to buy... Major argument... PC also consumes 350 watt while gaming with latest stuff, more if cheap stuff PS4 consumes 120 watt while gaming there are plenty of people that play 5 hours a day, that is almost 100 euro extra per year for your electricity bill, that adds up additionally to the PCs cost.
Mobius Wyvern Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 6	Posted - 2015.06.05 11:34:00 - [9] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Raven Harkonen wrote: PS4 = arround 350Gé¼ PC (a good one graphism, durability, ect...)= 600Gé¼ minimum if you know good places to buy... Major argument... PC also consumes 350 watt while gaming with latest stuff, more if cheap stuff PS4 consumes 120 watt while gaming there are plenty of people that play 5 hours a day, that is almost 100 euro extra per year for your electricity bill, that adds up additionally to the PCs cost. I honestly hadn't even thought of that. Damn. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2015.06.05 13:31:00 - [10] - Quote I always have a good PC and will prolly set up a steam box someday...maybe. But my motiviation for wanting to see Dust on PS4 is that hacking/botting becomes that much harder and has repercussions outside of Dust. We already know that peeps will cheat the kittenfuck out of this game and if we can't promise the EVE alliances that battles are immune to being influenced by bot-inspired losses of important EVE-Dust joint operations then they will simply dismiss Dust as irrelevant. Worse still, if hacked/botted battles were to become a topic of conversation, the EVE playerbase would prolly revolt and demand Dust be disconnected from EVE, or be made trivial and harmless: y'know, like we are now. That's why PS4. PSN: RationalSpark

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10	Posted - 2015.06.05 13:56:00 - [11] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: I always have a good PC and will prolly set up a steam box someday...maybe. But my motiviation for wanting to see Dust on PS4 is that hacking/botting becomes that much harder and has repercussions outside of Dust. We already know that peeps will cheat the kittenfuck out of this game and if we can't promise the EVE alliances that battles are immune to being influenced by bot-inspired losses of important EVE-Dust joint operations then they will simply dismiss Dust as irrelevant. Worse still, if hacked/botted battles were to become a topic of conversation, the EVE playerbase would prolly revolt and demand Dust be disconnected from EVE, or be made trivial and harmless: y'know, like we are now. That's why PS4. Oh goodness. This argument again. As consoles try harder and harder to become PCs, they fall prey to the same problems. If someone wants to hack a PS4 to cheat they simply will. The reason we hear more about the PC cheating problem is due to more people playing PCs vs. Xbox One/PS4. Reporting cheaters and CCP having the staffing to handle those reports are the solution to this problem blown out of proportion. Eventually, if Dust turns a profit like I believe it will on PC, they can start up a Dust-version of Team Security. For those unaware, Team Security handles cheating/botting issues in Eve: Online. @Ripley_Riley "I NEED NO PILLS I'M A FUCKING GOAT!" - Cat Merc
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 2	Posted - 2015.06.05 14:30:00 - [12] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Vrain Matari wrote: I always have a good PC and will prolly set up a steam box someday...maybe. But my motiviation for wanting to see Dust on PS4 is that hacking/botting becomes that much harder and has repercussions outside of Dust. We already know that peeps will cheat the kittenfuck out of this game and if we can't promise the EVE alliances that battles are immune to being influenced by bot-inspired losses of important EVE-Dust joint operations then they will simply dismiss Dust as irrelevant. Worse still, if hacked/botted battles were to become a topic of conversation, the EVE playerbase would prolly revolt and demand Dust be disconnected from EVE, or be made trivial and harmless: y'know, like we are now. That's why PS4. Oh goodness. This argument again. As consoles try harder and harder to become PCs, they fall prey to the same problems. If someone wants to hack a PS4 to cheat they simply will. The reason we hear more about the PC cheating problem is due to more people playing PCs vs. Xbox One/PS4. Reporting cheaters and CCP having the staffing to handle those reports are the solution to this problem blown out of proportion. Eventually, if Dust turns a profit like I believe it will on PC, they can start up a Dust-version of Team Security. For those unaware, Team Security handles cheating/botting issues in Eve: Online. you can only cheat on the playstion if developer actually allows to copy paste saves and game files (like some stupid devs allowed on ps3) from drive to pc and vice versa and then use it in multiplayer battles as host. manipulating data and bots are not possible to do on ps4 either, for that you would require to be able to run such software on the ps4 simultanously while playing the game which again is no way.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2015.06.05 15:01:00 - [13] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Vrain Matari wrote: I always have a good PC and will prolly set up a steam box someday...maybe. But my motiviation for wanting to see Dust on PS4 is that hacking/botting becomes that much harder and has repercussions outside of Dust. We already know that peeps will cheat the kittenfuck out of this game and if we can't promise the EVE alliances that battles are immune to being influenced by bot-inspired losses of important EVE-Dust joint operations then they will simply dismiss Dust as irrelevant. Worse still, if hacked/botted battles were to become a topic of conversation, the EVE playerbase would prolly revolt and demand Dust be disconnected from EVE, or be made trivial and harmless: y'know, like we are now. That's why PS4. Oh goodness. This argument again. As consoles try harder and harder to become PCs, they fall prey to the same problems. If someone wants to hack a PS4 to cheat they simply will. The reason we hear more about the PC cheating problem is due to more people playing PCs vs. Xbox One/PS4. Reporting cheaters and CCP having the staffing to handle those reports are the solution to this problem blown out of proportion. Eventually, if Dust turns a profit like I believe it will on PC, they can start up a Dust-version of Team Security. For those unaware, Team Security handles cheating/botting issues in Eve: Online. you can only cheat on the playstion if developer actually allows to copy paste saves and game files (like some stupid devs allowed on ps3) from drive to pc and vice versa and then use it in multiplayer battles as host. manipulating data and bots are not possible to do on ps4 either, for that you would require to be able to run such software on the ps4 simultanously while playing the game which again is no way. Thank you. This is pretty basic stuff but peeps still struggle with it. The other part of the deterrent effect of PS4 is that there's more at stake than just your Dust account, hence a bigger pita for cheaters who get caught. PSN: RationalSpark
deezy dabest 2	Posted - 2015.06.05 15:21:00 - [14] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: VAHZZ wrote: AlienWare is making a console, a Steam console, that plays PC games in the steam library. It is coming out with a controller specifically designed for it and looks similar to the Xbox controller. It plays every game in the Steam Library, barring some, so if DUST gets ported to the PC and is set on Steam just like EVE Online, you can use the Steam Machine to play DUST like we are now. PS4 JUST BECAME ***** IRRELEVANT BITCHES. the alienware computer is not a console. it is a regular PC with cramped peripherals and SteamOS as operating system. you could aswell install windows on it and do work. Raven Harkonen wrote:** PS4 = arround 350Gé¼ PC (a good one graphism, durability, ect...)= 600Gé¼ minimum if you know good places to buy... Major argument... PC also consumes 350 watt while gaming with latest stuff, more if cheap stuff PS4 consumes 120 watt while gaming there are plenty of people that play 5 hours a day, that is almost 100 euro extra per year for your electricity bill, that adds up additionally to the PCs cost. pssshhh I am using 10 times that much when you include my 4k tv as a monitor playing youtube and the other 24 inch monitors which form a giant panoramic view in 1080p at a stable 60 fps. I am glad I would never be able to do anything even remotely close to this on a console that after a few extras is going to cost me close to a thousand dollars. #PCMASTERRACE we burn all the electricity we want and look good doing it.
richiesutie 2 The Rainbow Effect 1	Posted - 2015.06.05 15:34:00 - [15] - Quote Jonny D Buelle wrote: Raven Harkonen wrote: PS4 = arround 350Gé¼ PC (a good one graphism, durability, ect...)= 600Gé¼ minimum if you know good places to buy... Major argument... Disclaimer: Prices are drastically different in different countries. PS4 Brand new from EB Games in NZ (at least my town) is almost $600. Disclaimer: 600 nz dollars = 380 euros A WHOLE 30 EUROS MORE THIS IS DISGRACEFUL compilation of Patch/build notes Check it out! :)
emm kay Direct Action Resources 315	Posted - 2015.06.05 15:40:00 - [16] - Quote VAHZZ wrote: AlienWare is making a console, a Steam console, that plays PC games in the steam library. It is coming out with a controller specifically designed for it and looks similar to the Xbox controller. It plays every game in the Steam Library, barring some, so if DUST gets ported to the PC and is set on Steam just like EVE Online, you can use the Steam Machine to play DUST like we are now. PS4 JUST BECAME ******* IRRELEVANT BITCHES. I've always wondered what it feels like to put money in a paper shredder for Cheez-its. Guess I have an Idea now. There is a reason you never see me in battle. it's because I see you first.
Leither Yiltron Molon Labe. RUST415 1	Posted - 2015.06.05 15:42:00 - [17] - Quote VAHZZ wrote: AlienWare is making a console Ahahahaha Oh, you were serious? Long term roadmap by Aeon Amadi Have a pony
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 742	Posted - 2015.06.05 15:42:00 - [18] - Quote You must be new here. In fact, you must be new at life. No one in their right mind buys Alienware unless you're some dummy with plenty of money and thinks Big Bang Theory is hilarious dude. So no. I will build my PC bro. Much better. And the war won't end until it actually happen. Your advice is useless scrub but good to wipe sweaty stripper coochie with. Saying what's on people's minds
deezy dabest 2	Posted - 2015.06.05 15:45:00 - [19] - Quote Hey don't worry PS4 fans. Sony is expected to announce a ps4 slim with a SSD and no blu ray drive so that developers MIGHT be able to hold 60fps @ 1080p. I will not lie the things I have been hearing about programming for the PS4 make me think that it may just be what CCP needs to go with.
deezy dabest 2	Posted - 2015.06.05 15:52:00 - [20] - Quote Krixus Flux wrote: You must be new here. In fact, you must be new at life. No one in their right mind buys Alienware unless you're some dummy with plenty of money and thinks Big Bang Theory is hilarious dude. So no. I will build my PC bro. Much better. And the war won't end until it actually happen. Your advice is useless scrub but good to wipe sweaty stripper coochie with. They are actually fairly nice boxes at an affordable price. What I love about them is the fact that finally something is being done to bring console gamers over to PC games and finally unite us under the master race as was intended. Just for this fact I will be heavily cheering on the growth of these steam consoles even tho I do not have one and do not plan on having one. Once the next wave comes out which should also have support for upgrading the GPU as needed I think sony and microsoft are going to get into a bit of hot water. This is why microsoft is already developing cross platform stuff with windows 10 in preparation of having to fight this threat.

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10	Posted - 2015.06.05 15:58:00 - [21] - Quote Krixus Flux wrote: You must be new here. In fact, you must be new at life. No one in their right mind buys Alienware unless you're some dummy with plenty of money and thinks Big Bang Theory is hilarious dude. laugh track joke about Lord of the Rings another laugh track "Ziboomple" @Ripley_Riley "I NEED NO PILLS I'M A FUCKING GOAT!" - Cat Merc
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 744	Posted - 2015.06.05 17:10:00 - [22] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Krixus Flux wrote: You must be new here. In fact, you must be new at life. No one in their right mind buys Alienware unless you're some dummy with plenty of money and thinks Big Bang Theory is hilarious dude. So no. I will build my PC bro. Much better. And the war won't end until it actually happen. Your advice is useless scrub but good to wipe sweaty stripper coochie with. They are actually fairly nice boxes at an affordable price. What I love about them is the fact that finally something is being done to bring console gamers over to PC games and finally unite us under the master race as was intended. Just for this fact I will be heavily cheering on the growth of these steam consoles even tho I do not have one and do not plan on having one. Once the next wave comes out which should also have support for upgrading the GPU as needed I think sony and microsoft are going to get into a bit of hot water. This is why microsoft is already developing cross platform stuff with windows 10 in preparation of having to fight this threat. I wonder bro, can it actually happen? I know Steam is awesome (and certainly is!). But Alienware??? Dell's expensive gaming PC division? Consoles fanboys are DEDICATED to consoles. You would think they are secretly Sony or MS super agents. Saying what's on people's minds
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 744	Posted - 2015.06.05 17:12:00 - [23] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Krixus Flux wrote: You must be new here. In fact, you must be new at life. No one in their right mind buys Alienware unless you're some dummy with plenty of money and thinks Big Bang Theory is hilarious dude. laugh track joke about Lord of the Rings another laugh track "Ziboomple" Its terrible man. I tried watching a couple of episodes. I didn't laugh once, except when I put a treat in the middle of my dog's back and watched his head move around frantically to get to it. Saying what's on people's minds
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 7	Posted - 2015.06.05 19:52:00 - [24] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Jack McReady wrote: Raven Harkonen wrote: PS4 = arround 350Gé¼ PC (a good one graphism, durability, ect...)= 600Gé¼ minimum if you know good places to buy... Major argument... PC also consumes 350 watt while gaming with latest stuff, more if cheap stuff PS4 consumes 120 watt while gaming there are plenty of people that play 5 hours a day, that is almost 100 euro extra per year for your electricity bill, that adds up additionally to the PCs cost. I honestly hadn't even thought of that. Damn. 350 watts? Damn, that's low!
Heimdallr69 Negative-Feedback. 5	Posted - 2015.06.05 19:57:00 - [25] - Quote VAHZZ wrote: AlienWare is making a console, a Steam console, that plays PC games in the steam library. It is coming out with a controller specifically designed for it and looks similar to the Xbox controller. It plays every game in the Steam Library, barring some, so if DUST gets ported to the PC and is set on Steam just like EVE Online, you can use the Steam Machine to play DUST like we are now. PS4 JUST BECAME ******* IRRELEVANT BITCHES. It can also use Xbox controllers FYI but so can my laptop which is more powerful than this device..but with windows 10 being able to play Xbox games what's the point of buying this device when it doesn't use windows? Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Vlad Rostok SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 161	Posted - 2015.06.05 20:02:00 - [26] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Jack McReady wrote: Raven Harkonen wrote: PS4 = arround 350Gé¼ PC (a good one graphism, durability, ect...)= 600Gé¼ minimum if you know good places to buy... Major argument... PC also consumes 350 watt while gaming with latest stuff, more if cheap stuff PS4 consumes 120 watt while gaming there are plenty of people that play 5 hours a day, that is almost 100 euro extra per year for your electricity bill, that adds up additionally to the PCs cost. I honestly hadn't even thought of that. Damn. 350 watts? Damn, that's low! Yeah, last PC I built in early 2014 has an 850 watt power supply. And I leave that powered on all the time. I don't notice the blip in my power bill, but that could be because it's masked by the A/C.
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.05 20:15:00 - [27] - Quote Vlad Rostok wrote: Joel II X wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Jack McReady wrote: Raven Harkonen wrote: PS4 = arround 350Gé¼ PC (a good one graphism, durability, ect...)= 600Gé¼ minimum if you know good places to buy... Major argument... PC also consumes 350 watt while gaming with latest stuff, more if cheap stuff PS4 consumes 120 watt while gaming there are plenty of people that play 5 hours a day, that is almost 100 euro extra per year for your electricity bill, that adds up additionally to the PCs cost. I honestly hadn't even thought of that. Damn. 350 watts? Damn, that's low! Yeah, last PC I built in early 2014 has an 850 watt power supply. And I leave that powered on all the time. I don't notice the blip in my power bill, but that could be because it's masked by the A/C. Just because you have an 850 watt power supply doesn't mean the system is always drawing that amount. Your power supply can usually supply 200W more than the max your system could ever need, judging by most builds I see and build. Plus having it plugged in 24/7 doesn't matter as much as if you're playing, because all modern computers and consoles have variable power draw depending on the intensity of their work, because the components inside underclock themselves to draw less power when not needed. As a sidenote, Sony is apparently coming out with a new PS4 with 1TB drive, AND lower power draw. 20 Watts less IIRC? Which would be cutting off 1/6th of the power draw from the console. "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
Kaze Eyrou DUST University Ivy League 2	Posted - 2015.06.05 20:34:00 - [28] - Quote I love how the title of this thread is "ending the argument" but instead of doing so, it just ramped it up yet again. I will say I am glad the conversation of power draw came up. I know that the PS3 draws some serious power so if the PS4 has very minimal power draw, that would make me happy camper. CB Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou Kaze's Helpful Links
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10	Posted - 2015.06.05 20:38:00 - [29] - Quote Kaze Eyrou wrote: I will say I am glad the conversation of power draw came up. I know that the PS3 draws some serious power so if the PS4 has very minimal power draw, that would make me happy camper. Newer consoles and PCs draw only the power they need to run, with a minimum of around 200- 250W. So really the power draw will be dependent on how GPU/CPU intensive Dust x86 is. @Ripley_Riley "I NEED NO PILLS I'M A FUCKING GOAT!" - Cat Merc
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.05 20:39:00 - [30] - Quote Kaze Eyrou wrote: I love how the title of this thread is "ending the argument" but instead of doing so, it just ramped it up yet again. I will say I am glad the conversation of power draw came up. I know that the PS3 draws some serious power so if the PS4 has very minimal power draw, that would make me happy camper. PS3 Super slim draws 190W. PS4 on standby draws 10W, and while playing a game like Killzone has a draw of around 150W. The power supply on the PS4 can do a maximum of 250 W, though it never actually reaches that. "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon



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