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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
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Posted - 2015.06.06 22:21:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:So, I want to clarify: CONCORD is entirely made up of mortals?
Also, where does their vastly superior technology come from? The Jove?
I'm not sure if there are capsuleers among concord, but their superior tech is jovian.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.06.06 23:07:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Even if the Amarr manage to beat off the drifters, they won't do so easily. They'll be as weakened as they would be coming out of an all-out war against the minmatar or gallente, only in this case, the minmatar and gallente will still be ready to jump on them.
I disagree. If they do they will surely incur losses yes but in my opinion not enough to weaken the Empire enough for a smaller entity like the Republic to capitalise on. There are a large number of capsuleer entities that are pro-Amarr and at the drop of a hat would field billions of ISK's worth of ships in support the Empire.
"Crush all who complain!"
- Arkena Wyrnspire
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Dzago Sevatarion
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2015.06.07 01:43:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:The Gallente are an incredibly meddlesome Empire. They on a fundamental level are very open about what they desire [aka a cultural take over of the Caldari State] using the claim that they are defending the rights of the Caldari citizenry.
If you consider the megacorps the extent of Caldari culture, sure. At most 40% of Federation citizens even speak Gallente, it's hardly a bastion of cultural homogeneity.
Let's be clear, until the secret colonies of the megacorps were discovered, Caldari were content to belong to the Federation, a government they helped to found. Caldari corporations were very successful prior to the first war with the Gallente. (Caldari Funds Unlimited was one of the most powerful banks in the Federation.)
The Gallente are morally ambiguous because their system of government is vulnerable to demagoguery, their economic system can be brutal, and the state is little more than a lawful neutral Hobbesian Leviathan.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.06.07 01:49:00 -
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Dzago Sevatarion wrote:
You're biased as heck.
Not really. That is simply who the Gallente are. The only Empire I openly dislike OOC is the Caldari State.
"Crush all who complain!"
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CELESTA AUNGM
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
566
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Posted - 2015.06.07 03:20:00 -
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GǪ.My special thanks to ALL posters in this thread.
It's really fun to see players discuss/disagree about Lore politics and imagery. It's not fun feeling as if you're the only player nutty enough to study the Starmap, or read the New Eden World News updates, or spend time NOT just shooting a gun in players' faces. Others spend time in the Lore too. Cool!
Universe of good wishes for the 49, especially CCP Eterne...
No story can have life without writers and publishers.
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Roy Ventus
Axis of Chaos
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Posted - 2015.06.07 03:29:00 -
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True Adamance isn't bias, his character is tho.
>.>...
The Gallente are meddlesome but it doesn't make them worse off than the rest as all of the nations have their own "quirks." He knows that though, and it's obvious from his posts that he doesn't really care either way.
I personally have no favorite but because I roleplay as a Gallente I'm interested in their ways more than I would be.
"There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all."
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VAHZZ
Corrosive Synergy No Context
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Posted - 2015.06.07 03:38:00 -
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True and Yassavi are perhaps the biggest brains when it comes to Our lore, at least in DUST. It is hard to argue with their knowledge.
I have recently been studying lore and the chronicles since I have not been playing the game much. Maybe one day, you guys will see a not so troll VAHZZ. Or i will just make an alt....Which will most likely be Amarr.
"I bring nothing, I bless nothing, I save nothing; I just erase; completely, shatter."
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
3
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Posted - 2015.06.07 03:42:00 -
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Dzago Sevatarion wrote:Caldari were content to belong to the Federation, a government they helped to found. Wrong wrong wrong. They were a permanent minority in the federation, they were out 'voted' on anything they should have had a reasonable choice about.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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sir RAVEN WING
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Posted - 2015.06.07 06:10:00 -
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Mina Longstrike wrote:Dzago Sevatarion wrote:Caldari were content to belong to the Federation, a government they helped to found. Wrong wrong wrong. They were a permanent minority in the federation, they were out 'voted' on anything they should have had a reasonable choice about. I was about to point that out.
They were not content, nor did they co-found it out of pure free will. Read up on your lore, and maybe you will see the difference.
Note: How have I not been accused of being 'Pro-Gallente' or 'Pro-Caldari' yet? I have history of both, but neither have been accused of me.
@Mina Yes, I was not claiming they were innocent, just pointing out how your wording painted the situation.
Intaki - Civire
Caldai State!
"Democracy is lies of freedom. Anarchy is it's truth."
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Dzago Sevatarion
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2015.06.07 06:31:00 -
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...but for the unaffiliated voter (magpies), all political groups are minorities in the Federation. That's why somewhat reliable blocs like Minmatar immigrants are so disruptive in Gallente politics.
Until Nouvelle Rouvenor the Gallente-Caldari War wasn't even much of a war. The Caldari were content to blockade Luminaire and the Gallente to squabble amongst themselves about how to end the conflict. Hardly the hallmark of the antagonistic narrative being spun itt. |
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.06.07 07:20:00 -
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Dzago Sevatarion wrote:...but for the unaffiliated voter (magpies), all political groups are minorities in the Federation. That's why somewhat reliable blocs like Minmatar immigrants are so disruptive in Gallente politics.
Until Nouvelle Rouvenor the Gallente-Caldari War wasn't even much of a war. The Caldari were content to blockade Luminaire and the Gallente to squabble amongst themselves about how to end the conflict. Hardly the hallmark of the antagonistic narrative being spun itt.
Unfortunately you are mistaken.
The Caldari and the Gallente schism occurred almost two centuries ago and the greater Caldari-Gallente War was fought for the better part of a century until both sides essentially reached a stalemate being unable to gain a tactical advantage over their opponent.
You could argue that the Gallente and Caldari never truly meshed as partners in the founding of the Federation with the Caldari content to be a part of the federation initially until constant overruling of their needs and ideals as well as heavy federal taxation to provide for less productive worlds proved too much of elements of the Caldari Society to take.
Rouvenor as I see it is more or less the spark the lit the fuse of the conflict. Bombed and destroyed by ultranationalist partisans causing the underwater city's dome to buckle and 500,000 people to die. This in turn provoked, what most Federal citizens will admit was a heavy handed reprisal, a detachment of the Federal Navies to launch a devastating orbital bombardment on the Caldari Homeworld.
It was only the actions of the Caldari Admiral Yakiya Tovil Toba as his fleet, during a bitter guerilla campaign, that the Caldari were even able to escape the planet with the admiral having to scuttle a Karirola Water Freighter over the city of Hueromont where another 2,000,000 Gallenteans were killed.
The blockade of Caldari Prime by the CN Shigeru, the Leviathan Class Titan that was shot down over the planet two years ago during Operation Highlander, was in YC110 something like 7 or 8 years ago now when the Caldari under the leadership of Tibus Heth invaded the system again and established the Leviathan over the planet essentially holding the Gallentean citizens below to ransom.
Ironically it's very easy to put a number of the Gallenteans who died during this chaos.....but not the Caldari who were killed during the planetary bombardment.
From a completely OOC stand point it rather clear that the Gallente portions of the Federation were entirely content to leverage their superior voting power against the Caldari to essentially milk their profitable endeavors for all they were worth to support other Gallentean interests. Also during this time there were a large number of Intaki who sympathised with the disenfranchised and suddenly homeworldless Caldari......these individuals were labeled as dissidents by the Federal Government and either imprisoned for expressing these ideals or exiled from the Federation.
As much as people love to view the Gallenteans as the central good guy figure there is a lot of nods to the ideas of 'closing ones eyes to the suffering of others yet lamenting their own', cultural ignorance, corruption, etc. That being said the Federation is a powerful society because of the ideals they champion and the sense of value of the human spirit that they are all possessed of.
"Crush all who complain!"
- Arkena Wyrnspire
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Cat Merc
Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.06.07 07:35:00 -
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Mina Longstrike wrote:Talos Vagheitan wrote:How does it work?
I understand there are 4 independent empires, yet they all answer to CONCORD?
Is there some type of multi -racial central government? The capsuleers answer to concord. Though concord has become sort of like a 'united nations' of sorts and tries to prevent or resolve hostilities between empires (that involve immortals). Jovians = Never lost the majority of their technology, but they shy away from other empires because reasons. Amarr = Largest empire, they were the first to rediscover space flight and promptly went about conquering the stars, a lot of their aggression got smacked out of them by the jove. They have easily the largest number of ships in their fleet, but they run on older technology (amarr tend to prefer a 'tried and true' method). Gallente = Second largest empire, they are quite meddlesome and they essentially force themselves on other sovereign nations ("don't you want to be free and cultured?), they dragged the caldari kicking and screaming into the federation... where the caldari were a permanent minority and were outvoted by the gallente on everything concerning the caldari. They tend to consider their way to be the only right way, despite plenty of evidence otherwise. They also have a pretty staggeringly large military, but it can be bogged down by bureaucracy. Minmatar = Second smallest empire, they have a lot of issues within the republic which has caused some tribes to outright leave *and* tell the gallente to **** off, a vast majority of their population is still enslaved by the amarr. the republic itself tends to get along well with the gallente because they are a pet project of the gallente ("Oh no, how dare those amarr impinge upon others freedom). The actual military of the republic is somewhat small, but well suited to rapid response and hard hitting skirmishes... the military of the tribes that have left the republic is astonishingly large. Caldari = Smallest empire and the most militant, grew up on a harsh world where the group came before the individual and they had to fight damn hard to free themselves from the gallente who spent quite a bit of time looking down on them / dictating to them. Caldari are in a pragmatic alliance with the Amarr, but they really get along well with and respect the khanid. The caldari navy, despite being one of (if not the) smallest navies is arguably the strongest, running with incredibly advanced technology and supreme range, they tend to resort to a lot of fighters or to incredibly long range doctrines supported by massive amounts of electronic warfare - they have held their own against bigger and 'stronger' forces plenty of times. Each of the races is independently governed in their own style and manner, and all of them have a seat of representatives in the CONCORD agency to 'protect' themselves from the growing power of immortals. I smell a lot of Caldari in this post.
"To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
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Cat Merc
Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.06.07 07:37:00 -
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Mina Longstrike wrote:All the factions are grey raven. The gallente do just as many horrible things in the name of 'freedom' as the amarr do in the name of religion. And yet your entire post makes the Caldari look like saints while the Gallente look like the absolute devil
"To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
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Cat Merc
Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.06.07 07:46:00 -
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VAHZZ wrote:True and Yassavi are perhaps the biggest brains when it comes to Our lore, at least in DUST. It is hard to argue with their knowledge.
I have recently been studying lore and the chronicles since I have not been playing the game much. Maybe one day, you guys will see a not so troll VAHZZ. Or i will just make an alt....Which will most likely be Amarr. Can confirm, those two are lore powerhouses.
"To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
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Cat Merc
Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.06.07 07:47:00 -
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sir RAVEN WING wrote:Note: How have I not been accused of being 'Pro-Gallente' or 'Pro-Caldari' yet? I have history of both, but neither have been accused of me. Probably because you didn't make out one or the other to be complete saints or devil.
"To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
3
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Posted - 2015.06.07 08:00:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Ironically it's very easy to put a number of the Gallenteans who died during this chaos.....but not the Caldari who were killed during the planetary bombardment.
I believe it was a number of something like >70% never made it off of caldari prime during the bombings. I mean, the caldari had to resort to several generations of tube children raised in corporate creches just to have some semblance of a population.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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Cat Merc
Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.06.07 08:23:00 -
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Mina Longstrike wrote:True Adamance wrote:Ironically it's very easy to put a number of the Gallenteans who died during this chaos.....but not the Caldari who were killed during the planetary bombardment. I believe it was a number of something like >70% never made it off of caldari prime during the bombings. I mean, the caldari had to resort to several generations of tube children raised in corporate creches just to have some semblance of a population. Oh my god. I just realized something. I don't know if this exists in English, but over here calling someone a test tube child is basically calling him a retard.
And the Caldari are tube children...
I am laughing my ass off right now XD
"To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.06.07 08:27:00 -
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Mina Longstrike wrote:True Adamance wrote:Ironically it's very easy to put a number of the Gallenteans who died during this chaos.....but not the Caldari who were killed during the planetary bombardment. I believe it was a number of something like >70% never made it off of caldari prime during the bombings. I mean, the caldari had to resort to several generations of tube children raised in corporate creches just to have some semblance of a population.
Indeed. It's one of the major backgrounds Caldari pilots can choose from amongst.
"Crush all who complain!"
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