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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.06.06 05:10:00 -
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Talos Vagheitan wrote:How does it work?
I understand there are 4 independent empires, yet they all answer to CONCORD?
Is there some type of multi -racial central government?
No. All of the Empires are independent entities with their own internal and foreign policies, leaders, etc. The only thing keeping them peaceful at the moment that at present time no one side has enough power or strategic influence to decisively win a conflict against one of the others without significantly depleting their own military capacity.
The Amarr Navy is considered the most largest and most powerful Navy in the cluster but its ships are relatively old in terms of design despite the Amarrian capacity to ingeniously produce new military technologies their power does not lie in engagements against technological equals instead in the suppression of a technologically inferior foe. The Caldari on the others hand have some of the most modern and advanced ships available but are few in number.
CONCORD is also not truly an inter-empire peace keeping organisation. Initially it was founded by the Empires, most notably the Gallente and Amarr with some Caldari aid [the Amarr opposed the Minmatar Republic becoming a signatory state unwilling to recognize its sovereignty], however in the years since CONCORD has taken on a capsuleer policing role to ensure that High Sec is relatively safe to fly in. More recently with the Drifter threats appearing its taken on a more clandestine and suspect role since it considers the Drifters a minimal threat despite their appearance in the space of a signatory state, their seizure of several Scope Reporters for leaking footage of a Drifter fleet and structure in Worm Hole space to the public, and was savaged in one of their own core systems by a Drifter Fleet after a corpse was taken to autopsy.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.06.06 05:39:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:True Adamance wrote:Talos Vagheitan wrote:How does it work?
I understand there are 4 independent empires, yet they all answer to CONCORD?
Is there some type of multi -racial central government? No. All of the Empires are independent entities with their own internal and foreign policies, leaders, etc. The only thing keeping them peaceful at the moment that at present time no one side has enough power or strategic influence to decisively win a conflict against one of the others without significantly depleting their own military capacity. The Amarr Navy is considered the most largest and most powerful Navy in the cluster but its ships are relatively old in terms of design despite the Amarrian capacity to ingeniously produce new military technologies their power does not lie in engagements against technological equals instead in the suppression of a technologically inferior foe. The Caldari on the others hand have some of the most modern and advanced ships available but are few in number. CONCORD is also not truly an inter-empire peace keeping organisation. Initially it was founded by the Empires, most notably the Gallente and Amarr with some Caldari aid [the Amarr opposed the Minmatar Republic becoming a signatory state unwilling to recognize its sovereignty], however in the years since CONCORD has taken on a capsuleer policing role to ensure that High Sec is relatively safe to fly in. More recently with the Drifter threats appearing its taken on a more clandestine and suspect role since it considers the Drifters a minimal threat despite their appearance in the space of a signatory state, their seizure of several Scope Reporters for leaking footage of a Drifter fleet and structure in Worm Hole space to the public, and was savaged in one of their own core systems by a Drifter Fleet after a corpse was taken to autopsy. I never really thought about it but you made me realize that New Eden really is just a big stale mate. This gives me new perspective on the theory crafting that was going on earlier in reference to the whole drifters thing.
The biggest danger with the current mind-set about the Drifter's appearance is that most players are rather gung-ho about seeing the either the Drifter's or the Amarrians begin hostilities with one another assuming that the Drifter's will win and annihilate the Empire.
The other assumption these people make is that as soon as this happens the entire cluster will unite under one banner and see of these guys with CONCORD at their backs in some love filled circle jerk of justice..... this is doubt very much will happen with the Cluster losing its largest and arguably most powerful military force leaving the rest of them trying to support trillions of refugees from the Empire.......something no one can currently afford to do.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.06.06 13:09:00 -
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Mina Longstrike wrote:All the factions are grey raven. The gallente do just as many horrible things in the name of 'freedom' as the amarr do in the name of religion.
More or less correct in terms of in game lore.
The Gallente are an incredibly meddlesome Empire. They on a fundamental level are very open about what they desire [aka a cultural take over of the Caldari State] using the claim that they are defending the rights of the Caldari citizenry. More or less the only reason one could consider the Gallenteans a faction worth detracting from is that they are a subtly imperialist society, very much so pro-freedom, but none the less flawed a self serving entity rife with corruption serving to the well connected individual .
I don't think its wrong to suggest the Gallenteans are a morally grey people because by their very nature they are both openly democratic but at the same time conservative to the point of dictatorial behind a thin fa+šade. At the same time I don't think it poor taste to laud the values of the State or the Empire which thrive on social order and control.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.06.06 23:07:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Even if the Amarr manage to beat off the drifters, they won't do so easily. They'll be as weakened as they would be coming out of an all-out war against the minmatar or gallente, only in this case, the minmatar and gallente will still be ready to jump on them.
I disagree. If they do they will surely incur losses yes but in my opinion not enough to weaken the Empire enough for a smaller entity like the Republic to capitalise on. There are a large number of capsuleer entities that are pro-Amarr and at the drop of a hat would field billions of ISK's worth of ships in support the Empire.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.06.07 01:49:00 -
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Dzago Sevatarion wrote:
You're biased as heck.
Not really. That is simply who the Gallente are. The only Empire I openly dislike OOC is the Caldari State.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.06.07 07:20:00 -
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Dzago Sevatarion wrote:...but for the unaffiliated voter (magpies), all political groups are minorities in the Federation. That's why somewhat reliable blocs like Minmatar immigrants are so disruptive in Gallente politics.
Until Nouvelle Rouvenor the Gallente-Caldari War wasn't even much of a war. The Caldari were content to blockade Luminaire and the Gallente to squabble amongst themselves about how to end the conflict. Hardly the hallmark of the antagonistic narrative being spun itt.
Unfortunately you are mistaken.
The Caldari and the Gallente schism occurred almost two centuries ago and the greater Caldari-Gallente War was fought for the better part of a century until both sides essentially reached a stalemate being unable to gain a tactical advantage over their opponent.
You could argue that the Gallente and Caldari never truly meshed as partners in the founding of the Federation with the Caldari content to be a part of the federation initially until constant overruling of their needs and ideals as well as heavy federal taxation to provide for less productive worlds proved too much of elements of the Caldari Society to take.
Rouvenor as I see it is more or less the spark the lit the fuse of the conflict. Bombed and destroyed by ultranationalist partisans causing the underwater city's dome to buckle and 500,000 people to die. This in turn provoked, what most Federal citizens will admit was a heavy handed reprisal, a detachment of the Federal Navies to launch a devastating orbital bombardment on the Caldari Homeworld.
It was only the actions of the Caldari Admiral Yakiya Tovil Toba as his fleet, during a bitter guerilla campaign, that the Caldari were even able to escape the planet with the admiral having to scuttle a Karirola Water Freighter over the city of Hueromont where another 2,000,000 Gallenteans were killed.
The blockade of Caldari Prime by the CN Shigeru, the Leviathan Class Titan that was shot down over the planet two years ago during Operation Highlander, was in YC110 something like 7 or 8 years ago now when the Caldari under the leadership of Tibus Heth invaded the system again and established the Leviathan over the planet essentially holding the Gallentean citizens below to ransom.
Ironically it's very easy to put a number of the Gallenteans who died during this chaos.....but not the Caldari who were killed during the planetary bombardment.
From a completely OOC stand point it rather clear that the Gallente portions of the Federation were entirely content to leverage their superior voting power against the Caldari to essentially milk their profitable endeavors for all they were worth to support other Gallentean interests. Also during this time there were a large number of Intaki who sympathised with the disenfranchised and suddenly homeworldless Caldari......these individuals were labeled as dissidents by the Federal Government and either imprisoned for expressing these ideals or exiled from the Federation.
As much as people love to view the Gallenteans as the central good guy figure there is a lot of nods to the ideas of 'closing ones eyes to the suffering of others yet lamenting their own', cultural ignorance, corruption, etc. That being said the Federation is a powerful society because of the ideals they champion and the sense of value of the human spirit that they are all possessed of.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.06.07 08:27:00 -
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Mina Longstrike wrote:True Adamance wrote:Ironically it's very easy to put a number of the Gallenteans who died during this chaos.....but not the Caldari who were killed during the planetary bombardment. I believe it was a number of something like >70% never made it off of caldari prime during the bombings. I mean, the caldari had to resort to several generations of tube children raised in corporate creches just to have some semblance of a population.
Indeed. It's one of the major backgrounds Caldari pilots can choose from amongst.
"Crush all who complain!"
- Arkena Wyrnspire
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