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Deadly Goliath
Omega Warlords
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Posted - 2015.05.26 22:08:00 -
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So there have been a lot of people saying that the Scrambler Rifle needs to be nerfed and there have been a lotof people saying it is balanced, and its quite funny how the people that say it is balanced are the ones who use it 
It is pretty obvious that it is stronger than other weapons due to the high damage combined with the high rate of fire. But what bothers me the most is that it isn't only good against shield but it can take 1100 armor out with a few shots, even tho it is only doing 80% of its potential damage! This is clearly not balanced. In my opinion it can be balanced with other weapons by simply reducing the damage, although there are probably other, better ways of balancing it, anyways this is just my opinion and I do run a Caldari Assault and my opinion can be a little bit biased, but I do also like to run a Heavy with 1100, and when that gets shot down in 0.5 seconds by a Standard Scrambler Rifle it bothers me.
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Georgia Xavier
Y.A.M.A.H
No Context
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Posted - 2015.05.26 22:13:00 -
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All is fair in the eyes of the winner I suppose. But since the ScR has a comparatively higher risk factor than most rifles, people tend to get defensive if it gets a nerf. It's getting a dps nerf as said by CCP Raticate so don't worry you won't be killed by ScR as much anymore. The Plasma rifles on the other hand though.......
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Deadly Goliath
Omega Warlords
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Posted - 2015.05.26 22:15:00 -
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Georgia Xavier wrote:All is fair in the eyes of the winner I suppose. But since the ScR has a comparatively higher risk factor than most rifles, people tend to get defensive if it gets a nerf. It's getting a dps nerf as said by CCP Raticate so don't worry you won't be killed by ScR as much anymore. The Plasma rifles on the other hand though.......
I am not worried and ARs lookpretty good ATM, they melt shield but they are Gal after all aren't they, just like RRs melt armor :).
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hails8n
DEATH BY DESTRUCTION
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Posted - 2015.05.26 22:16:00 -
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It should have the highest dps since it can only take out 1-2 people at a time.
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Golden Day
Corrosive Synergy
No Context
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Posted - 2015.05.26 22:17:00 -
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Georgia Xavier wrote:All is fair in the eyes of the winner I suppose. But since the ScR has a comparatively higher risk factor than most rifles, people tend to get defensive if it gets a nerf. It's getting a dps nerf as said by CCP Raticate so don't worry you won't be killed by ScR as much anymore. The Plasma rifles on the other hand though.......
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Deadly Goliath
Omega Warlords
66
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Posted - 2015.05.26 22:19:00 -
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Golden Day wrote:Georgia Xavier wrote:All is fair in the eyes of the winner I suppose. But since the ScR has a comparatively higher risk factor than most rifles, people tend to get defensive if it gets a nerf. It's getting a dps nerf as said by CCP Raticate so don't worry you won't be killed by ScR as much anymore. The Plasma rifles on the other hand though....... I regret clicking that link in your sig....
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.05.26 22:20:00 -
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Interesting. According to Protofits [NOT ACCURATE I KNOW] the DPS against......
Shield = 858 [Base], 987 [Proficiency V], and 1164 [Proficiency + 3x CDM]
Armour = 572 [Base], 675 [3xCDM]
While the Tac AR hits in terms of DPS against.....
Shield = 803 [Base], 923 [Proficiency V], 1090 [Proficiency V + 3xCDM]
Armour = 657 [Base], 775 [3x CDM]
If I am not mistaken. What's this about the ScR thrashing armour too quickly?
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Georgia Xavier
Y.A.M.A.H
No Context
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Posted - 2015.05.26 22:20:00 -
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Golden Day wrote:Georgia Xavier wrote:All is fair in the eyes of the winner I suppose. But since the ScR has a comparatively higher risk factor than most rifles, people tend to get defensive if it gets a nerf. It's getting a dps nerf as said by CCP Raticate so don't worry you won't be killed by ScR as much anymore. The Plasma rifles on the other hand though....... I regret clicking that link in your sig....
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Deadly Goliath
Omega Warlords
66
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Posted - 2015.05.26 22:23:00 -
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True Adamance wrote: Interesting. According to Protofits [NOT ACCURATE I KNOW] the DPS against......
Shield = 858 [Base], 987 [Proficiency V], and 1164 [Proficiency + 3x CDM]
Armour = 572 [Base], 675 [3xCDM]
While the Tac AR hits in terms of DPS against.....
Shield = 803 [Base], 923 [Proficiency V], 1090 [Proficiency V + 3xCDM]
Armour = 657 [Base], 775 [3x CDM]
If I am not mistaken. What's this about the ScR thrashing armour too quickly?
At 100% accuracy, yes, but the Scrambler Rifle just seems to hit more, I don't know?
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.05.26 22:32:00 -
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Deadly Goliath wrote:True Adamance wrote: Interesting. According to Protofits [NOT ACCURATE I KNOW] the DPS against......
Shield = 858 [Base], 987 [Proficiency V], and 1164 [Proficiency + 3x CDM]
Armour = 572 [Base], 675 [3xCDM]
While the Tac AR hits in terms of DPS against.....
Shield = 803 [Base], 923 [Proficiency V], 1090 [Proficiency V + 3xCDM]
Armour = 657 [Base], 775 [3x CDM]
If I am not mistaken. What's this about the ScR thrashing armour too quickly? At 100% accuracy, yes, but the Scrambler Rifle just seems to hit more, I don't know?
"the Scrambler Rifle just seems to hit more"......
......is a logical fallacy known as "anecdote".
"Crush all who complain!"
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Deadly Goliath
Omega Warlords
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Posted - 2015.05.26 22:35:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Deadly Goliath wrote:True Adamance wrote: Interesting. According to Protofits [NOT ACCURATE I KNOW] the DPS against......
Shield = 858 [Base], 987 [Proficiency V], and 1164 [Proficiency + 3x CDM]
Armour = 572 [Base], 675 [3xCDM]
While the Tac AR hits in terms of DPS against.....
Shield = 803 [Base], 923 [Proficiency V], 1090 [Proficiency V + 3xCDM]
Armour = 657 [Base], 775 [3x CDM]
If I am not mistaken. What's this about the ScR thrashing armour too quickly? At 100% accuracy, yes, but the Scrambler Rifle just seems to hit more, I don't know? "the Scrambler Rifle just seems to hit more"...... ......is a logical fallacy known as "anecdote".
I don't know man you tell me, why are they so much ScR running around and no TARs?
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Georgia Xavier
Y.A.M.A.H
No Context
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Posted - 2015.05.26 22:37:00 -
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Deadly Goliath wrote:True Adamance wrote:Deadly Goliath wrote:True Adamance wrote: Interesting. According to Protofits [NOT ACCURATE I KNOW] the DPS against......
Shield = 858 [Base], 987 [Proficiency V], and 1164 [Proficiency + 3x CDM]
Armour = 572 [Base], 675 [3xCDM]
While the Tac AR hits in terms of DPS against.....
Shield = 803 [Base], 923 [Proficiency V], 1090 [Proficiency V + 3xCDM]
Armour = 657 [Base], 775 [3x CDM]
If I am not mistaken. What's this about the ScR thrashing armour too quickly? At 100% accuracy, yes, but the Scrambler Rifle just seems to hit more, I don't know? "the Scrambler Rifle just seems to hit more"...... ......is a logical fallacy known as "anecdote". I don't know man you tell me, why are they so much ScR running around and no TARs?
Because the TAR is just an imitation of the ScR.
I don't actually know, perhaps it's the charg?
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Deadly Goliath
Omega Warlords
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Posted - 2015.05.26 22:38:00 -
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Georgia Xavier wrote:Deadly Goliath wrote:True Adamance wrote:Deadly Goliath wrote:True Adamance wrote: Interesting. According to Protofits [NOT ACCURATE I KNOW] the DPS against......
Shield = 858 [Base], 987 [Proficiency V], and 1164 [Proficiency + 3x CDM]
Armour = 572 [Base], 675 [3xCDM]
While the Tac AR hits in terms of DPS against.....
Shield = 803 [Base], 923 [Proficiency V], 1090 [Proficiency V + 3xCDM]
Armour = 657 [Base], 775 [3x CDM]
If I am not mistaken. What's this about the ScR thrashing armour too quickly? At 100% accuracy, yes, but the Scrambler Rifle just seems to hit more, I don't know? "the Scrambler Rifle just seems to hit more"...... ......is a logical fallacy known as "anecdote". I don't know man you tell me, why are they so much ScR running around and no TARs? Because the TAR is just an imitation of the ScR. The rapid fire is way deadlier than the charge! I dunno. I don't actually know, perhaps it's the charg?
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Scheneighnay McBob
Tribal Liberation Force Paramilitary
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Posted - 2015.05.26 22:41:00 -
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What's always bothered me is it's a long-range weapon with a high RoF.
I'm a BIG fan of semi-atuomatic weapons, particularly rifles (my minmatar pride won't allow me to use scrambler rifles anymore), but tactical ARs and scrambler rifles just don't do it right. Sniper rifles are pretty good with the recoil and RoF IMO, I would love to see a shorter range weapon similar to the sniper rifle, with a less overwhelming optic.
Maybe I'll throw a tac AR on my logi suits and see how it turns out, after they're changed.
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Georgia Xavier
Y.A.M.A.H
No Context
555
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Posted - 2015.05.26 22:45:00 -
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Deadly Goliath wrote:The rapid fire is way deadlier than the charge! I dunno.
ScR and TAR have same ROF though
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Deadly Goliath
Omega Warlords
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Posted - 2015.05.26 22:46:00 -
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Georgia Xavier wrote:Deadly Goliath wrote:The rapid fire is way deadlier than the charge! I dunno. ScR and TAR have same ROF though
Exactly, then why is everyone moaning about the ScR and not the TAR???
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Alena Ventrallis
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.05.26 22:48:00 -
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Deadly Goliath wrote:True Adamance wrote:Deadly Goliath wrote:True Adamance wrote: Interesting. According to Protofits [NOT ACCURATE I KNOW] the DPS against......
Shield = 858 [Base], 987 [Proficiency V], and 1164 [Proficiency + 3x CDM]
Armour = 572 [Base], 675 [3xCDM]
While the Tac AR hits in terms of DPS against.....
Shield = 803 [Base], 923 [Proficiency V], 1090 [Proficiency V + 3xCDM]
Armour = 657 [Base], 775 [3x CDM]
If I am not mistaken. What's this about the ScR thrashing armour too quickly? At 100% accuracy, yes, but the Scrambler Rifle just seems to hit more, I don't know? "the Scrambler Rifle just seems to hit more"...... ......is a logical fallacy known as "anecdote". I don't know man you tell me, why are they so much ScR running around and no TARs?
1. I run TAR more than ScR. However, that really doesn't matter because its an anecdote.
2. ScR has a charge shot. TAR doesn't. Also TAR has more ADS kick, which kind of defeats the purpose of it being better at range.
All the ScR needs is a small overheat after a charge shot, like the Ion pistol. In total agreement with True on that point.
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P14GU3
UNIVERSAL C.A.R.N.A.G.E
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Posted - 2015.05.26 22:50:00 -
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Deadly Goliath wrote:True Adamance wrote:Deadly Goliath wrote:True Adamance wrote: Interesting. According to Protofits [NOT ACCURATE I KNOW] the DPS against......
Shield = 858 [Base], 987 [Proficiency V], and 1164 [Proficiency + 3x CDM]
Armour = 572 [Base], 675 [3xCDM]
While the Tac AR hits in terms of DPS against.....
Shield = 803 [Base], 923 [Proficiency V], 1090 [Proficiency V + 3xCDM]
Armour = 657 [Base], 775 [3x CDM]
If I am not mistaken. What's this about the ScR thrashing armour too quickly? At 100% accuracy, yes, but the Scrambler Rifle just seems to hit more, I don't know? "the Scrambler Rifle just seems to hit more"...... ......is a logical fallacy known as "anecdote". I don't know man you tell me, why are they so much ScR running around and no TARs?
Charge shot, plus its racial assault actually has a bonus that makes the weapon better, while the TAR has neither. Anyone who says ScR destroys armor too quick has never used one. The TAR is a much better weapon overall, even though it will lose out in 1v1 most times against a ScR.
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Georgia Xavier
Y.A.M.A.H
No Context
557
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Posted - 2015.05.26 22:50:00 -
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Deadly Goliath wrote:Georgia Xavier wrote:Deadly Goliath wrote:The rapid fire is way deadlier than the charge! I dunno. ScR and TAR have same ROF though Exactly, then why is everyone moaning about the ScR and not the TAR???
Heck if I know, I don't under how I function sometimes you expect me to understand others?!
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Talos Vagheitan
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2015.05.26 22:54:00 -
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Georgia Xavier wrote:Deadly Goliath wrote:The rapid fire is way deadlier than the charge! I dunno. ScR and TAR have same ROF though
Is this true? I haven't used a TAR since the rail rifle came out, but last time I used it it was given a large RoF nerf to combat molded controllers/turbo buttons, where's the ScR had unlimited RoF.
Did this change?
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Georgia Xavier
Y.A.M.A.H
No Context
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Posted - 2015.05.26 22:56:00 -
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Talos Vagheitan wrote:Georgia Xavier wrote:Deadly Goliath wrote:The rapid fire is way deadlier than the charge! I dunno. ScR and TAR have same ROF though Is this true? I haven't used a TAR since the rail rifle came out, but last time I used it it was given a large RoF nerf to combat molded controllers/turbo buttons, where's the ScR had unlimited RoF. Did this change?
They both have 600 rpm but the thing is the TAR has a lot of ads kick. It could be the same as the ScR but the TAR has more zoom so it is given the illusion of having more kick. Maybe
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P14GU3
UNIVERSAL C.A.R.N.A.G.E
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Posted - 2015.05.26 23:00:00 -
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Talos Vagheitan wrote:Georgia Xavier wrote:Deadly Goliath wrote:The rapid fire is way deadlier than the charge! I dunno. ScR and TAR have same ROF though Is this true? I haven't used a TAR since the rail rifle came out, but last time I used it it was given a large RoF nerf to combat molded controllers/turbo buttons, where's the ScR had unlimited RoF. Did this change?
They were both nerfed, down to the same ROF, 600rpm iirc.
Yet the ScR has never had a Nerf according to a large portion of the community..
Edit: Damnit Georgia!!
Double edit: also, the ScR was never unlimited fire. It just had a RoF that most normal humans could not reach, which I believe was 750. While the TAR was 650? 700?
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THUNDERGROOVE
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.05.26 23:00:00 -
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Deadly Goliath wrote:
At 100% accuracy, yes, but the Scrambler Rifle just seems to hit more, I don't know?
You can't shoot enough shots to matter without Amarr Assault 5 and with Gal Assault 5 the Tac AR is laser accurate.
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Georgia Xavier
Y.A.M.A.H
No Context
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Posted - 2015.05.26 23:03:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:Talos Vagheitan wrote:Georgia Xavier wrote:Deadly Goliath wrote:The rapid fire is way deadlier than the charge! I dunno. ScR and TAR have same ROF though Is this true? I haven't used a TAR since the rail rifle came out, but last time I used it it was given a large RoF nerf to combat molded controllers/turbo buttons, where's the ScR had unlimited RoF. Did this change? They were both nerfed, down to the same ROF, 600rpm iirc. Yet the ScR has never had a Nerf according to a large portion of the community.. Edit: Damnit Georgia!!
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P14GU3
UNIVERSAL C.A.R.N.A.G.E
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Posted - 2015.05.26 23:06:00 -
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Georgia Xavier wrote:P14GU3 wrote:Talos Vagheitan wrote:Georgia Xavier wrote:Deadly Goliath wrote:The rapid fire is way deadlier than the charge! I dunno. ScR and TAR have same ROF though Is this true? I haven't used a TAR since the rail rifle came out, but last time I used it it was given a large RoF nerf to combat molded controllers/turbo buttons, where's the ScR had unlimited RoF. Did this change? They were both nerfed, down to the same ROF, 600rpm iirc. Yet the ScR has never had a Nerf according to a large portion of the community.. Edit: Damnit Georgia!! Let's fite m8!!1!1! I'll deck ye in ya gob, swear on me mum
*Grabs ScR and starts charging*
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Georgia Xavier
Y.A.M.A.H
No Context
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Posted - 2015.05.26 23:10:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:Meet me out back
Ey man come on, no need to get crazy!
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P14GU3
UNIVERSAL C.A.R.N.A.G.E
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Posted - 2015.05.26 23:12:00 -
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Georgia Xavier wrote:P14GU3 wrote:Meet me out back Ey man come on, no need to get crazy!
*proceeds to bump chests with Georgia, talking smack, but doesn't actually plan on doing anything*
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Georgia Xavier
Y.A.M.A.H
No Context
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Posted - 2015.05.26 23:14:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:Georgia Xavier wrote:P14GU3 wrote:Meet me out back Ey man come on, no need to get crazy! *proceeds to bump chests with Georgia, talking smack, but doesn't actually plan on doing anything*
Yeah I thought so!
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Happy Violentime
OMFGZOMBIESRUN
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Posted - 2015.05.26 23:30:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:Deadly Goliath wrote:
At 100% accuracy, yes, but the Scrambler Rifle just seems to hit more, I don't know?
You can't shoot enough shots to matter without Amarr Assault 5
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Random Gunz
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.05.27 00:10:00 -
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Deadly Goliath wrote:So there have been a lot of people saying that the Scrambler Rifle needs to be nerfed and there have been a lotof people saying it is balanced, and its quite funny how the people that say it is balanced are the ones who use it It is pretty obvious that it is stronger than other weapons due to the high damage combined with the high rate of fire. But what bothers me the most is that it isn't only good against shield but it can take 1100 armor out with a few shots, even tho it is only doing 80% of its potential damage! This is clearly not balanced. In my opinion it can be balanced with other weapons by simply reducing the damage, although there are probably other, better ways of balancing it, anyways this is just my opinion and I do run a Caldari Assault and my opinion can be a little bit biased, but I do also like to run a Heavy with 1100, and when that gets shot down in 0.5 seconds by a Standard Scrambler Rifle it bothers me.
Doesn't matter how fast I spam that trigger. I can't kill a heavy rushing me, hell I can't kill the dominus sentinel rushing me. Its great against shield ill give it that, but gave you consider that most of the dust population like there super fast min assaults and that the best way to kill them is a scrambler. Seriously if there was no scrambler min assaults would be declared op already . Certainly the AR doesn't kill them quick enough, so we have a fast spamming shield weapon for those strafing (kbam) doughbags
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