I like it...but will have to make more coherent thoughts after I wake up

Is it all Assets lost in battle...and how does this affect vehicle destroyed, hacked...and all that?

Edit: So...is the ISK always payed out to the person who called the vehicle in, and is it only payed out on vehicle destroyed?

Dear players,

We have listened to a lot of the community feedback on payouts, and want to do the following changes.


1) FW battle reward: Winners get 40% of their ISK losses refunded, losers get 20%

Winning FW will now not only garner you the precious Loyalty Points, but also, some ISK. The Faction Command HQ has issued a refund policy, to both encourage players to go all out. We hope that this will incentivize players on both sides to go for the win! This method will not give AFKer's anything, win or lose. We also reserve the right to implement a WP threshold as is in Public Contracts, in case we need to stop "risk free" LP.

Now, since the current UI does not allow us to display the ISK earned, the ISK will simply show up in your wallet, making the ISK burn in FW more bearable. Each battle will trigger a Wallet transaction so the inflow can be monitored.


2) PC battle reward: Winners get salvage reward based on both teams' consumed items, losers get nothing

It never seemed right that the loser of a PC battle would get to salvage the battlegrounds, as they had been chased away. Now that both sides get to keep what they kill, it's only fair that the winners get more loot for themselves. This should prove a welcome boost to earnings and an incentive to win PC battles.

Discuss!

Dear players,

We have listened to a lot of the community feedback on payouts, and want to do the following changes.


1) FW battle reward: Winners get 40% of their ISK losses refunded, losers get 20%

Winning FW will now not only garner you the precious Loyalty Points, but also, some ISK. The Faction Command HQ has issued a refund policy, to both encourage players to go all out. We hope that this will incentivize players on both sides to go for the win! This method will not give AFKer's anything, win or lose. We also reserve the right to implement a WP threshold as is in Public Contracts, in case we need to stop "risk free" LP.

Now, since the current UI does not allow us to display the ISK earned, the ISK will simply show up in your wallet, making the ISK burn in FW more bearable. Each battle will trigger a Wallet transaction so the inflow can be monitored.


2) PC battle reward: Winners get salvage reward based on both teams' consumed items, losers get nothing

It never seemed right that the loser of a PC battle would get to salvage the battlegrounds, as they had been chased away. Now that both sides get to keep what they kill, it's only fair that the winners get more loot for themselves. This should prove a welcome boost to earnings and an incentive to win PC battles.

Discuss!

As one of the only people who voiced caution the last time a version of this system was brought up, let me be among the first to say I like this.

PC is by design: unbalanced, high-stakes, and bloody. A substantial reward disparity between Victory and Defeat is warranted.

As for FW, I still stand by my prior statement that overly rewarding winners will worsen already existing "Am I kinda losing this battle? Then turtle the hell up!" dynamics, but the difference between 40% and 20% is rather minor, and right now FW really could use some ISK reward; so ultimately I suspect this will add more than it will take away.

Regarding the PC salvage... I honestly don't expect a lot of PC players to notice nor it to make a big difference for them, but it does make more sense. Why would the losers get to salvage the battlefield indeed?

I am happy to see a system proposed for FW that at least doesn't reward afkers and people who don't bother trying equally to those who go all in. The LP rewards are already flattened, more effort for the win is not rewarded, which leads to incentivising some people to give up too early, or not even really try to begin with. At least the people who bring in assets to help the team will now get some relief for their losses. Though I'm sure someone will bring up "don't bring in what you can't afford to lose"...

This should satisfy the people who were for some reason worried about isk rewards in FW making pubs obsolete, as there is no isk generation in FW in this model... except for those who use the Apex suits and their LP counterparts, or any other BPO fits, I guess (though the isk value of std and mlt BPOs is pretty insignificant). What is the isk value the game puts on "losing" an Apex fit?

Don't agree more reward for the losers (People will say F this S%^& and never leave the pubs)

This will be a huge boon to FW.

I also really like the salvage change for PC. Combined with trading this will definitely add some incentive for winning.

This de facto makes running FW 40% cheaper than pubs. A 200k ISK proto suit becomes only 120k ISK provided you win. Interesting I suppose.

I still don't think it'll be enough to encourage people to stick through losing battles. I play FW everyday and the main reason people quit matches are because the LP payouts are garbage if you lose and you get no standing.

Could perhaps we do the following.
1) LP payouts are based on a combination or three factors, your rank, your war points, and whether or not your team won. This way you're still encouraged to win but can still make decent lp if you try and lose.
2) Reward at least some standing for finishing a battle. Even if it's just 5 or 10.
3) Same thing with PC, only get salvage if you win. Based on the same logic. People getting decent LP payouts for losing would likely require another incentive to go for the win.

Regarding the PC salvage... I honestly don't expect a lot of PC players to notice nor it to make a big difference for them, but it does make more sense. Why would the losers get to salvage the battlefield indeed?

I am happy to see a system proposed for FW that at least doesn't reward afkers and people who don't bother trying equally to those who go all in. The LP rewards are already flattened, more effort for the win is not rewarded, which leads to incentivising some people to give up too early, or not even really try to begin with. At least the people who bring in assets to help the team will now get some relief for their losses. Though I'm sure someone will bring up "don't bring in what you can't afford to lose"...

This should satisfy the people who were for some reason worried about isk rewards in FW making pubs obsolete, as there is no isk generation in FW in this model... except for those who use the Apex suits and their LP counterparts, or any other BPO fits, I guess (though the isk value of std and mlt BPOs is pretty insignificant). What is the isk value the game puts on "losing" an Apex fit?

Fix the lag.

You need to seriously iron out your WP reward bias with some playstyles before you consider adding more WP Thresholds to this game, especially in a game mode that will throw you in an almost-over or written off match on a whim.

Squad Leaders and Logistics don't have to worry about this at all.
Snipers and dedicated pilots? Occasionally do.