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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros
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Posted - 2015.05.24 01:10:00 -
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Doc DDD wrote:it's hardly an I WIN button, more of an ' i can get out of the redline for 30 seconds without having to restock 1.3 million isk worth of tanks '. Like I said, nerfing armor tanks ( reps or hardeners ) would allow 2 swarmers to destroy every vehicle before they get out of the redline. Shield tanks already need 3 or 4 hardeners just to get out of the redline for 10 seconds before diving back in. Hardeners are literally the only thing allowing vehicles to get out of the redline.
There is a line between OP and Balance and Armor tanks have crossed that line. Armor tanks are stupidly OP with hardeners on. They are stupidly easy to use as well. Even with hardeners on, shield tanks have to take cover where as armor tanks just stand there herp a derping laughing at all sorts of AV coming at them.
Also- not trying to nerf hardeners, balancing them CPU and PG wise. Mostly trying to change shield hardeners to make their fitting costs more balanced.
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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KalOfTheRathi
Nec Tributis
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Posted - 2015.05.24 02:10:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Make the Armor Reps Active.
-- deleted dumb idea -- The reason they are passive now is because CCP has never been able to make actives work in a vehicle. Even today they are a common cause of lost vehicles. Hardeners turn on and, immediately off, with no further action on the driver's part. Turrets overheat unexpectedly (in addition to the bad turret code) because the active heat sink turned off and then turned off. Nor can it be used until it cools down. Which might be alright if the cool down was proportional. It ain't. You get the full length of the cool down even when it is CCP code that turned it off.
It was a horrible solution and generated many, many support petitions. Not the least of which demanding that those responsible be used as tank target practice (only in game, of course).
The pulses things happened before. The stupid solution was great if it worked. It didn't work for well over 50% of the activations. Tankers left because of it.
There is nothing, and I sincerely mean NOTHING, that indicates that the existing yet miserable UI for active modules will ever improve.
Sad but true. Sorry for hurt feelings, but I don't coddle bad programming, nor programmers.
My favorite tank is a Lightning. Just sayin.
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros
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Posted - 2015.05.24 02:37:00 -
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KalOfTheRathi wrote: -Delete dumb smack talk-
wha??
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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KalOfTheRathi
Nec Tributis
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Posted - 2015.05.24 02:39:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:KalOfTheRathi wrote: -Delete dumb smack talk-
wha?? Okay, slowly this time.
Shield tanks are glass cannons as determined by CCP. And they will not change until CCP changes their mind.
Or are you whining about something else?
My favorite tank is a Lightning. Just sayin.
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros
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Posted - 2015.05.24 03:01:00 -
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KalOfTheRathi wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:KalOfTheRathi wrote: -Delete dumb smack talk-
wha?? Okay, slowly this time. Shield tanks are glass cannons as determined by CCP. And they will not change until CCP changes their mind. Or are you whining about something else?
Shields are glass cannons, Armor tanks are Nokia Cannons. How is this fair again?
Also- the on and off module problem isn't a problem. I rarely have this problem unless i'm using a broken controller. Get that muscle memory milk bruv. I have my tanks set up in a way where I know UP is hardener, Right is booster, North east is something else, south east is something else and directly down is something else. Everything Important are at 90 degrees, 0 degrees and 270 degrees. Also, you just have to be careful when you try to turn all the modules on at once.
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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KalOfTheRathi
Nec Tributis
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Posted - 2015.05.24 03:33:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Myself wrote:delete more of my response to your wonderfully concise use of the language. Shields are glass cannons, Armor tanks are Nokia Cannons. How is this fair again? Also- the on and off module problem isn't a problem. I rarely have this problem unless i'm using a broken controller. Get that muscle memory milk bruv. I have my tanks set up in a way where I know UP is hardener, Right is booster, North east is something else, south east is something else and directly down is something else. Everything Important are at 90 degrees, 0 degrees and 270 degrees. Also, you just have to be careful when you try to turn all the modules on at once. The module activation is still bad. Glad you enjoy working on bad interfaces implemented with bad code. I didn't and I still don't.
The is New Freaking Eden, there is nothing fair about it. There never was, there never will be and CCP doesn't care! HTFU.
This is the result of a planned, documented and dedicated attempt to Gank tanking in DUST. It worked. The biggest change, coming from a tanker that used to shield tank, is the glass cannon was done on purpose. Nothing in their description sounded fair to me, or even good for that matter. Now, I mostly armor tank. The glass cannon is why.
Do you want to see my long response? Cause I saved it. You might not like it, my spell checker thinks you are a duck and I thought you were just an AV QQ whining about not having his won I WIN button.
My favorite tank is a Lightning. Just sayin.
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros
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Posted - 2015.05.24 03:51:00 -
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KalOfTheRathi wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Myself wrote:delete more of my response to your wonderfully concise use of the language. Shields are glass cannons, Armor tanks are Nokia Cannons. How is this fair again? Also- the on and off module problem isn't a problem. I rarely have this problem unless i'm using a broken controller. Get that muscle memory milk bruv. I have my tanks set up in a way where I know UP is hardener, Right is booster, North east is something else, south east is something else and directly down is something else. Everything Important are at 90 degrees, 0 degrees and 270 degrees. Also, you just have to be careful when you try to turn all the modules on at once. The module activation is still bad. Glad you enjoy working on bad interfaces implemented with bad code. I didn't and I still don't. The is New Freaking Eden, there is nothing fair about it. There never was, there never will be and CCP doesn't care! HTFU. This is the result of a planned, documented and dedicated attempt to Gank tanking in DUST. It worked. The biggest change, coming from a tanker that used to shield tank, is the glass cannon was done on purpose. Nothing in their description sounded fair to me, or even good for that matter. Now, I mostly armor tank. The glass cannon is why. Do you want to see my long response? Cause I saved it. You might not like it, my spell checker thinks you are a duck and I thought you were just an AV QQ whining about not having his won I WIN button.
You literally are not worth talking to with all your negativity toward this game. You just want to watch this game burn.
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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KalOfTheRathi
Nec Tributis
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Posted - 2015.05.25 06:06:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:You literally are not worth talking to with all your negativity toward this game. You just want to watch this game burn. Coming from the QQ spewer of 'I want it my way, or I swear I will post!' that is actually quite funny.
I am brutally honest. I face the reality of the situation. This is what we have, until CCP Rattati and crew decide to change the orders, my guess is this is the direction we are going to keep marching to.
Read the documents. CCP published them, they are still available and even the last posting explaining about how shields tanks are designed was recently put out by our current leader CCP Rattati. So, the plan hasn't changed.
Google CCP HTFU video, that is how fair you can expect the game to be.
Welcome to Dust, 2+years and AUR in the bank.
My favorite tank is a Lightning. Just sayin.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.05.25 07:53:00 -
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KalOfTheRathi wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:KalOfTheRathi wrote: -Delete dumb smack talk-
wha?? Okay, slowly this time. Shield tanks are glass cannons as determined by CCP. And they will not change until CCP changes their mind. Or are you whining about something else? Glass cannon was not a design feature of shield tanks.
That was supposed to be an enforcer/DHAV thing.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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THUNDERGROOVE
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.05.25 09:18:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:
You have that backwards, armor repped for a large amount at the end of a 3 second cycle, shields repped for a smaller amount and the start of a 1 second cycle. So they each have 5 pulses of HP, but armor did it over 15 seconds and shields did it over 5. This is similar to how it works in EVE as well.
Actually, you have it wrong. Back before all this arcade tank style stuff in 1.7, I was a full time tanker. I am 36912305741232% sure that armor repped straight 300-400 hp per sec for 15 secs while shields repped 250-350 every 3 secs for 15 secs. This was one of the major reasons Madrugars dominated Gunnlogi's back in the days after uprising. You're wrong lol.
Gunlogis got dominated because shield hardeners were garbage.
Mace yourself, blame someone else itGÇÖs okay, no one will believe you
AIV member.
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THUNDERGROOVE
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.05.25 09:23:00 -
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KalOfTheRathi wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:You literally are not worth talking to with all your negativity toward this game. You just want to watch this game burn. Coming from the QQ spewer of 'I want it my way, or I swear I will post!' that is actually quite funny. LOLOL Dukey got dumpstered.
Mace yourself, blame someone else itGÇÖs okay, no one will believe you
AIV member.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.05.25 10:00:00 -
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The tanks need to be roughly equal. If they're not then they're a crap design feature.
That is all.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros
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Posted - 2015.05.25 15:05:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:KalOfTheRathi wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:You literally are not worth talking to with all your negativity toward this game. You just want to watch this game burn. Coming from the QQ spewer of 'I want it my way, or I swear I will post!' that is actually quite funny. LOLOL Dukey got dumpstered.
Have you herd his argument?
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros
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Posted - 2015.05.25 15:07:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:
You have that backwards, armor repped for a large amount at the end of a 3 second cycle, shields repped for a smaller amount and the start of a 1 second cycle. So they each have 5 pulses of HP, but armor did it over 15 seconds and shields did it over 5. This is similar to how it works in EVE as well.
Actually, you have it wrong. Back before all this arcade tank style stuff in 1.7, I was a full time tanker. I am 36912305741232% sure that armor repped straight 300-400 hp per sec for 15 secs while shields repped 250-350 every 3 secs for 15 secs. This was one of the major reasons Madrugars dominated Gunnlogi's back in the days after uprising. You're wrong lol. Gunlogis got dominated because shield hardeners were garbage.
If you read carefully, (make sure you read slowly), you will see that I said "Madrugars dominated Gunnlogi's. Also, the fact that armor reps gave 300-400 hp while shield gave 250-300 every 3 secs was also a reason gunnlogi's got dominated.
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros
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Posted - 2015.05.25 15:09:00 -
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KalOfTheRathi wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:You literally are not worth talking to with all your negativity toward this game. You just want to watch this game burn. Coming from the QQ spewer of 'I want it my way, or I swear I will post!' that is actually quite funny. I am brutally honest. I face the reality of the situation. This is what we have, until CCP Rattati and crew decide to change the orders, my guess is this is the direction we are going to keep marching to. Read the documents. CCP published them, they are still available and even the last posting explaining about how shields tanks are designed was recently put out by our current leader CCP Rattati. So, the plan hasn't changed. Google CCP HTFU video, that is how fair you can expect the game to be. Welcome to Dust, 2+years and AUR in the bank.
Link me to document.
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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KalOfTheRathi
Nec Tributis
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Posted - 2015.05.25 19:30:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Link me to document. Edit: Found it. Also- isn't the forums all about problem solution? Where does it say I'm not allowed to post ideas? Yes, you are more than welcome to post your ideas. Just quit the QQing about how fair things are/aren't. Please. I would rather read your arguments/ideas than your complaints.
On the active vs passive for armor repairs, please give it up. Just run an armor tank already. If you are slugging it out with infantry or tanks use the proper weapon. Easily 30% of my earlier Maddy losses were because of that stupid activation not working. And I lost two tanks yesterday because of the module switch (yes, it is a brand new controller - it is just a bad, bad UI design). You are imagining a solution that will let you play the way you want to play versus playing the game with the tools at hand. Not to mention the last one I ran lost half its shields just driving away from the drop zone, so CCP has never fixed that problem completely so only fight on smooth surfaces.
You misread my position as negative, all I am saying is this is how it is and it is this is they way CCP designed it. I don't like it, nor do I have to run shield tanks. I have three shield fits (the single seat shield is junk as well, IMHO). Over a dozen Maddy depending on whether I have gunners in squad.
I enjoy getting into a fight with another tank in my Maddy. The shield tanks are glass cannons. Use them as intended, as in fitted with a rail gun/damage mods and keep out of sight until all the modules are ready, the clip is loaded, the ammo is full and you know where the enemy tank(s) are. Then jump them and pray that you are not prey. Or team up with another tanker and flank the target.
Sorry, but the single glass cannon style of play is not fun for me. I like to slug it out. I will red line only if forced into it; a tank with gunners, two or more tanks against my solo. Although others no doubt see any tanker heading back for ammo and to let their modules cool down as a red line tanker.
What I am recommending to you is: Use the proper weapon for the fight. The Maddy are designed to slug it out with tanks and infantry. The Gunni, not so much. At least they finally gave the rail gun one more round before overheat before that I quit using them completely.
Don't take your Thale's SR into CQC and expect a positive result.
My favorite tank is a Lightning. Just sayin.
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros
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Posted - 2015.05.25 19:48:00 -
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KalOfTheRathi wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Link me to document. Edit: Found it. Also- isn't the forums all about problem solution? Where does it say I'm not allowed to post ideas? Yes, you are more than welcome to post your ideas. Just quit the QQing about how fair things are/aren't. Please. I would rather read your arguments/ideas than your complaints. On the active vs passive for armor repairs, please give it up. Just run an armor tank already. If you are slugging it out with infantry or tanks use the proper weapon. Easily 30% of my earlier Maddy losses were because of that stupid activation not working. And I lost two tanks yesterday because of the module switch (yes, it is a brand new controller - it is just a bad, bad UI design). You are imagining a solution that will let you play the way you want to play versus playing the game with the tools at hand. Not to mention the last one I ran lost half its shields just driving away from the drop zone, so CCP has never fixed that problem completely so only fight on smooth surfaces. You misread my position as negative, all I am saying is this is how it is and it is this is they way CCP designed it. I don't like it, nor do I have to run shield tanks. I have three shield fits (the single seat shield is junk as well, IMHO). Over a dozen Maddy depending on whether I have gunners in squad. I enjoy getting into a fight with another tank in my Maddy. The shield tanks are glass cannons. Use them as intended, as in fitted with a rail gun/damage mods and keep out of sight until all the modules are ready, the clip is loaded, the ammo is full and you know where the enemy tank(s) are. Then jump them and pray that you are not prey. Or team up with another tanker and flank the target. Sorry, but the single glass cannon style of play is not fun for me. I like to slug it out. I will red line only if forced into it; a tank with gunners, two or more tanks against my solo. Although others no doubt see any tanker heading back for ammo and to let their modules cool down as a red line tanker. What I am recommending to you is: Use the proper weapon for the fight. The Maddy are designed to slug it out with tanks and infantry. The Gunni, not so much. At least they finally gave the rail gun one more round before overheat before that I quit using them completely. Don't take your Thale's SR into CQC and expect a positive result.
So you are basically telling me to run FOTM? Wow, Thanks for the advice. Also, how is it balanced that a madrugar can do almost everything better than a gunnlogi other than turn faster?
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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THUNDERGROOVE
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.05.25 19:53:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote: If you read carefully, (make sure you read slowly), you will see that I said "Madrugars dominated Gunnlogi's. Also, the fact that armor reps gave 300-400 hp while shield gave 250-300 every 3 secs was also a reason gunnlogi's got dominated.
No I read and fully understood your argument. It's wrong.
Shield boosters also had and still have a quirk if you take any damage between the 0.5 second delay and when you boost you actually get no HP back. As a result shield tanks got destroyed by blaster tanks.
But it doesn't really even matter because every single Gunlogi and Falchion was sitting under their MCC shooting damage modded CPC rounds out to 600M.
Mace yourself, blame someone else itGÇÖs okay, no one will believe you
AIV member.
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THUNDERGROOVE
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.05.25 19:56:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote: So you are basically telling me to run FOTM? Wow, Thanks for the advice. Also, how is it balanced that a madrugar can do almost everything better than a gunnlogi other than turn faster?
The guy is telling you how to not look like a complete ******* ***** on a public forum and you're being rude.
This is why no one takes you seriously man.
Mace yourself, blame someone else itGÇÖs okay, no one will believe you
AIV member.
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros
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Posted - 2015.05.25 20:27:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:Sir Dukey wrote: So you are basically telling me to run FOTM? Wow, Thanks for the advice. Also, how is it balanced that a madrugar can do almost everything better than a gunnlogi other than turn faster?
The guy is telling you how to not look like a complete ******* ***** on a public forum and you're being rude. This is why no one takes you seriously man.
Do you even tank? If you did, you would understand the problem.
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros
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Posted - 2015.05.25 20:31:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:Sir Dukey wrote: If you read carefully, (make sure you read slowly), you will see that I said "Madrugars dominated Gunnlogi's. Also, the fact that armor reps gave 300-400 hp while shield gave 250-300 every 3 secs was also a reason gunnlogi's got dominated.
No I read and fully understood your argument. It's wrong. Shield boosters also had and still have a quirk if you take any damage between the 0.5 second delay and when you boost you actually get no HP back. As a result shield tanks got destroyed by blaster tanks. But it doesn't really even matter because every single Gunlogi and Falchion was sitting under their MCC shooting damage modded CPC rounds out to 600M.
I never denied that the current shield boosters are bad. Possibly the most unreliable module out there.
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros
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Posted - 2015.05.25 20:38:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Wait I'm confused, are you guys saying that armor hardeners were 60% back when we had active armor repairers? I'm fairly certain that was never the case. We had 25% hardeners and a passive 10% resist from skills (shield was 30% and 10%), and it was like that for....a very long time. The higher percentage hardeners didn't come around until the same time the passive armor repairers did.
A Complex Hardener back in the day lasted for 60 secs, had a 15 sec cool down and 25% reduction to damage.
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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