Isn't your character old enough to remember when that was the case, and it didn't work?

200 is a little much.

Think staggered Repair Pulses since the numbers we have now for Armour Repairers are actually very fair for an active modules.

137.5 per second on the Complex Heavy Armour Repairer. [Passive]

414 per pulse [every 3 seconds] for a total duration of 15 seconds [unmodified] = 138 Armour Repair Per Second = 2070 total armour repaired over 15 seconds.

Worth noting the with the modified Core Module Skills that active duration of the Heavy Armour Repair extends from 15 seconds to 18.75 seconds allowing for one additional pulse of the module which = 2484 total armour repaired over 18 seconds.

They pulsed every second or something like that with full effect or am I wrong in thinking?

You have that backwards, armor repped for a large amount at the end of a 3 second cycle, shields repped for a smaller amount and the start of a 1 second cycle. So they each have 5 pulses of HP, but armor did it over 15 seconds and shields did it over 5. This is similar to how it works in EVE as well.

That would just be too O.P.

I don't even think armor tanks need any tweaking now the you can SKILLL INTO PROTO AV IN A WEEK.

It used to take grinding for a month just to get proto grenades, now you can have a proto minmando with proto swarms in the same time.

Shield tanks need to be fixed so they can get out of the redline, I'd post how, but have decided to beat my head against the wall instead, it is much more productive.

Why shoot when solo while hardeners are up?

Fire once, watch shields disappear, tank activates hardeners, fire second time and 500 armor comes off, if no one else is firing count to 30 and start firing again as tank will be paper thin. If one person can spam swarms at the hardest vehicle to blow up, and blow it up no matter the situation, then 2 people with swarms would keep vehicles 200 meters in the redline. Then you would ask for a redline nerf so you could blow them up too.

it's hardly an I WIN button, more of an ' i can get out of the redline for 30 seconds without having to restock 1.3 million isk worth of tanks '. Like I said, nerfing armor tanks ( reps or hardeners ) would allow 2 swarmers to destroy every vehicle before they get out of the redline. Shield tanks already need 3 or 4 hardeners just to get out of the redline for 10 seconds before diving back in. Hardeners are literally the only thing allowing vehicles to get out of the redline.

-Delete dumb smack talk-

Okay, slowly this time.

Shield tanks are glass cannons as determined by CCP. And they will not change until CCP changes their mind.

Or are you whining about something else?

The module activation is still bad. Glad you enjoy working on bad interfaces implemented with bad code. I didn't and I still don't.

The is New Freaking Eden, there is nothing fair about it. There never was, there never will be and CCP doesn't care! HTFU.

This is the result of a planned, documented and dedicated attempt to Gank tanking in DUST. It worked. The biggest change, coming from a tanker that used to shield tank, is the glass cannon was done on purpose. Nothing in their description sounded fair to me, or even good for that matter. Now, I mostly armor tank. The glass cannon is why.

Do you want to see my long response? Cause I saved it. You might not like it, my spell checker thinks you are a duck and I thought you were just an AV QQ whining about not having his won I WIN button.

LOLOL Dukey got dumpstered.

You're wrong lol.

Gunlogis got dominated because shield hardeners were garbage.

Coming from the QQ spewer of 'I want it my way, or I swear I will post!' that is actually quite funny.

I am brutally honest. I face the reality of the situation. This is what we have, until CCP Rattati and crew decide to change the orders, my guess is this is the direction we are going to keep marching to.

Read the documents. CCP published them, they are still available and even the last posting explaining about how shields tanks are designed was recently put out by our current leader CCP Rattati. So, the plan hasn't changed.

Google CCP HTFU video, that is how fair you can expect the game to be.


Welcome to Dust, 2+years and AUR in the bank.

Yes, you are more than welcome to post your ideas. Just quit the QQing about how fair things are/aren't. Please. I would rather read your arguments/ideas than your complaints.

On the active vs passive for armor repairs, please give it up. Just run an armor tank already. If you are slugging it out with infantry or tanks use the proper weapon. Easily 30% of my earlier Maddy losses were because of that stupid activation not working. And I lost two tanks yesterday because of the module switch (yes, it is a brand new controller - it is just a bad, bad UI design). You are imagining a solution that will let you play the way you want to play versus playing the game with the tools at hand. Not to mention the last one I ran lost half its shields just driving away from the drop zone, so CCP has never fixed that problem completely so only fight on smooth surfaces.

You misread my position as negative, all I am saying is this is how it is and it is this is they way CCP designed it. I don't like it, nor do I have to run shield tanks. I have three shield fits (the single seat shield is junk as well, IMHO). Over a dozen Maddy depending on whether I have gunners in squad.

I enjoy getting into a fight with another tank in my Maddy. The shield tanks are glass cannons. Use them as intended, as in fitted with a rail gun/damage mods and keep out of sight until all the modules are ready, the clip is loaded, the ammo is full and you know where the enemy tank(s) are. Then jump them and pray that you are not prey. Or team up with another tanker and flank the target.

Sorry, but the single glass cannon style of play is not fun for me. I like to slug it out. I will red line only if forced into it; a tank with gunners, two or more tanks against my solo. Although others no doubt see any tanker heading back for ammo and to let their modules cool down as a red line tanker.

What I am recommending to you is: Use the proper weapon for the fight. The Maddy are designed to slug it out with tanks and infantry. The Gunni, not so much. At least they finally gave the rail gun one more round before overheat before that I quit using them completely.

Don't take your Thale's SR into CQC and expect a positive result.

The guy is telling you how to not look like a complete ******* ***** on a public forum and you're being rude.

This is why no one takes you seriously man.

No I read and fully understood your argument. It's wrong.

Shield boosters also had and still have a quirk if you take any damage between the 0.5 second delay and when you boost you actually get no HP back. As a result shield tanks got destroyed by blaster tanks.

But it doesn't really even matter because every single Gunlogi and Falchion was sitting under their MCC shooting damage modded CPC rounds out to 600M.

Wait I'm confused, are you guys saying that armor hardeners were 60% back when we had active armor repairers? I'm fairly certain that was never the case. We had 25% hardeners and a passive 10% resist from skills (shield was 30% and 10%), and it was like that for....a very long time. The higher percentage hardeners didn't come around until the same time the passive armor repairers did.