DUST Search - power core vs apex who will win

Cody Sietz wrote:

Vrain Matari wrote:

Cody Sietz wrote:

Droopy Bawlz wrote:

Scheneighnay McBob wrote:

It only hurts people who try to exploit the system by fitting gear above standard on it, which was unintended.

So running my Apex Atlas Sent. with a Boundless or Freedom HMG is wrong? I dont think so.

It is unintended. Which is why CCP is trying to figure a way to balance it without screwing Over everyone else.

I feel like it's a bit disingenuous on CCP's part to claim that it's unintended. Rattati's been staring at dropsuit stats for a year now, as well as playing the game. Also, it's not as if his are the only set of eyes at CCP looking at this .Unexpected or unintended? Neither, imo.

It was instantly obvious to players what this would mean for APEX suits, and the CPM would have caught this as soon as they laid eyes on it.

So yeah. No.

I think they figured it was something they had to see in the wild. A lot of stuff in this game came from just trying something out.

Look at Myos, they were useless and even though it seemed like a bad idea to let people run up to five of them, they did it anyway. After seeing it in action they limited it to 3 per suit.

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Talon Paetznick II New Eden's Army New Eden's Heros 128	Posted - 2015.05.18 21:12:00 - [1] - Quote If power cores come into play it will hurt apex suits and this is an issue for all of the time and\or money people put into these suits I am sure that this is a concern for any serious apex user who trolls the forums One balanced solution is apex teir weapons and modules which all Maintain a 5-7% boost over basic or some sort of odd stat difference like increased capacity or reload Another is to have some of the gear as advanced tier and some basic The last is to raise CPU\ PG stats on the suits I figured to bring this to popular discussions so you could fight it out There is also an alternative solution in which apex is a suit where you get an item bundle of bpos for everything it contains that was suggested What do you think should be done? all proper murder is premeditated, that's what makes new Eden fun acidental mansluaghter charges in FW however are not
Scheneighnay McBob And the ButtPirates 6	Posted - 2015.05.18 21:16:00 - [2] - Quote It only hurts people who try to exploit the system by fitting gear above standard on it, which was unintended. Some details can be ignored
Droopy Bawlz myrtle beach leap frogz 464	Posted - 2015.05.18 21:18:00 - [3] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: It only hurts people who try to exploit the system by fitting gear above standard on it, which was unintended. So running my Apex Atlas Sent. with a Boundless or Freedom HMG is wrong? I dont think so. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee925OTFBCA
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 1	Posted - 2015.05.18 21:22:00 - [4] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: It only hurts people who try to exploit the system by fitting gear above standard on it, which was unintended. How long have you been working at CCP now, Bob? "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
SHADOWBlood ASSASSIN The Hundred Acre Hood Rise Of Legion. 155	Posted - 2015.05.18 21:24:00 - [5] - Quote I have a friend with a DAU Forge Gun and Lai Dai Packed AV 'Nades on an 'Atlas' Sentinel. Is that cheating? xD If you haven't maxed out your core skills, do it now people xD My worst DUST experience? Having my dropship crush my Scotsman's with a Roden Sniper. THAT was a fun day...
Avallo Kantor 779	Posted - 2015.05.18 21:31:00 - [6] - Quote The original idea for APEX suits was, in my humble opinion, to test the waters for tiericide. Aka see how a suit with proto slot layouts but std mods/pg/CPU would be received. Powercores, in that light, simply expand on the tiericide to all, with added performance implications due to a drastic reduction in suit objects. An APEX suit can still exist in a powercore world, but they would simply be free pre-fit std suites with a "bonus" skin. They were never intended to be an "advantage" in anything besides ISK because they came preoutclassed by proto / adv. they still keep that ISK savings though, so no loss there. "Mind Blown" - CCP Rattati
Cody Sietz Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 4	Posted - 2015.05.18 21:36:00 - [7] - Quote Droopy Bawlz wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: It only hurts people who try to exploit the system by fitting gear above standard on it, which was unintended. So running my Apex Atlas Sent. with a Boundless or Freedom HMG is wrong? I dont think so. It is unintended. Which is why CCP is trying to figure a way to balance it without screwing Over everyone else. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 6	Posted - 2015.05.18 21:37:00 - [8] - Quote Apex suits do get BPO modules, unlike standard BPOs. You save on those for what it's worth. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Droopy Bawlz myrtle beach leap frogz 465	Posted - 2015.05.18 21:38:00 - [9] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Droopy Bawlz wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: It only hurts people who try to exploit the system by fitting gear above standard on it, which was unintended. So running my Apex Atlas Sent. with a Boundless or Freedom HMG is wrong? I dont think so. It is unintended. Which is why CCP is trying to figure a way to balance it without screwing Over everyone else. While I might agree,,,then CCP should have thought before they acted. They could have possibly locked down the weapons assigned and opend up the mods. Not a very hard fix. I hope they stay modifiable long enough to sell all 7 of my apex suits. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee925OTFBCA
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2015.05.18 21:44:00 - [10] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Droopy Bawlz wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: It only hurts people who try to exploit the system by fitting gear above standard on it, which was unintended. So running my Apex Atlas Sent. with a Boundless or Freedom HMG is wrong? I dont think so. It is unintended. Which is why CCP is trying to figure a way to balance it without screwing Over everyone else. I feel like it's a bit disingenuous on CCP's part to claim that it's unintended. Rattati's been staring at dropsuit stats for a year now, as well as playing the game. Also, it's not as if his are the only set of eyes at CCP looking at this .Unexpected or unintended? Neither, imo. It was instantly obvious to players what this would mean for APEX suits, and the CPM would have caught this as soon as they laid eyes on it. So yeah. No. PSN: RationalSpark

Cody Sietz Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 4	Posted - 2015.05.18 22:05:00 - [11] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Droopy Bawlz wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: It only hurts people who try to exploit the system by fitting gear above standard on it, which was unintended. So running my Apex Atlas Sent. with a Boundless or Freedom HMG is wrong? I dont think so. It is unintended. Which is why CCP is trying to figure a way to balance it without screwing Over everyone else. I feel like it's a bit disingenuous on CCP's part to claim that it's unintended. Rattati's been staring at dropsuit stats for a year now, as well as playing the game. Also, it's not as if his are the only set of eyes at CCP looking at this .Unexpected or unintended? Neither, imo. It was instantly obvious to players what this would mean for APEX suits, and the CPM would have caught this as soon as they laid eyes on it. So yeah. No. I think they figured it was something they had to see in the wild. A lot of stuff in this game came from just trying something out. Look at Myos, they were useless and even though it seemed like a bad idea to let people run up to five of them, they did it anyway. After seeing it in action they limited it to 3 per suit. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 1	Posted - 2015.05.18 22:51:00 - [12] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Vrain Matari wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Droopy Bawlz wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: It only hurts people who try to exploit the system by fitting gear above standard on it, which was unintended. So running my Apex Atlas Sent. with a Boundless or Freedom HMG is wrong? I dont think so. It is unintended. Which is why CCP is trying to figure a way to balance it without screwing Over everyone else. I feel like it's a bit disingenuous on CCP's part to claim that it's unintended. Rattati's been staring at dropsuit stats for a year now, as well as playing the game. Also, it's not as if his are the only set of eyes at CCP looking at this .Unexpected or unintended? Neither, imo. It was instantly obvious to players what this would mean for APEX suits, and the CPM would have caught this as soon as they laid eyes on it. So yeah. No. I think they figured it was something they had to see in the wild. A lot of stuff in this game came from just trying something out. Look at Myos, they were useless and even though it seemed like a bad idea to let people run up to five of them, they did it anyway. After seeing it in action they limited it to 3 per suit. This isn't true. The stacking penalty never worked as intended with the myo's. They were never supposed to grant the jump height they did. Rattati admitted they can not locate the coding error, so were forced into the 3 myo limit as a work around. I have no idea what you mean when you say "a lot of stuff". As far as the Apex, of course CCP new what allowing them to be modifiable would do. Every player certainly did. "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10	Posted - 2015.05.18 23:00:00 - [13] - Quote APEX suits will still have value in free prefit slots, but yes they will be relatively less beneficial to regular BPOs. And I mean, sorry, but it would be stupid to let APEX suits get in the way of vastly improving the game. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Scheneighnay McBob And the ButtPirates 6	Posted - 2015.05.18 23:07:00 - [14] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Droopy Bawlz wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: It only hurts people who try to exploit the system by fitting gear above standard on it, which was unintended. So running my Apex Atlas Sent. with a Boundless or Freedom HMG is wrong? I dont think so. It is unintended. Which is why CCP is trying to figure a way to balance it without screwing Over everyone else. I feel like it's a bit disingenuous on CCP's part to claim that it's unintended. Rattati's been staring at dropsuit stats for a year now, as well as playing the game. Also, it's not as if his are the only set of eyes at CCP looking at this .Unexpected or unintended? Neither, imo. It was instantly obvious to players what this would mean for APEX suits, and the CPM would have caught this as soon as they laid eyes on it. So yeah. No. It was clearly listed in the patch notes that apex suits became moddable because they wanted to give players the option to rearrange logi gear, and swap out standard weapons. For example, taking out an assault rifle and putting on a shotgun. There are already several ideas that rattati says he's looking at to stop people from throwing proto on apex suits. I know for sure he wanted to add a meta level cap on them, but power cores might make that unnecessary. Some details can be ignored
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.05.18 23:14:00 - [15] - Quote CCP and CMP should predict this. What will happen if player will get ability to modify apex suit, including bonuses (like pg/cpu upgrade)? Answer. People will fit adv/complex mods with adv guns. Not that hard to predict. Caldari Loyalist thecreaturehub fan
PADDEHATPIGEN BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 215	Posted - 2015.05.18 23:49:00 - [16] - Quote No problem we just get an APEX core BPO instead.
Scheneighnay McBob And the ButtPirates 6	Posted - 2015.05.19 03:22:00 - [17] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: It only hurts people who try to exploit the system by fitting gear above standard on it, which was unintended. How long have you been working at CCP now, Bob? All the vets are CCP. All of us. That's why nothing ever gets done. All we do is forum warrior. Some details can be ignored
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 1	Posted - 2015.05.19 03:38:00 - [18] - Quote I think there's a lot to be determined still. The whole Power Core idea is far from being officially implemented. In theory, assuming this change happens, couldn't an APEX suit have it's power core locked in, so that it can't be altered? Then the suit wouldn't function any differently. !--CCP, let's push for the license of Dust on both current Gen consoles--!


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