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Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 427	Posted - 2015.05.18 18:15:00 - [1] - Quote Why does it feel so crappy? Even when I tank out 400+ armor in a cal assault, it feels like 100. Is it a mentality thing that when you hop into a caldari suit, you rely on shields so much that you see your armor fly by or are they really crappy? 48th Special Operations Force. Twitter- @48SOF
Void Echo Helix Order Learning Alliance 2	Posted - 2015.05.18 18:19:00 - [2] - Quote I run a gallente armour, 800 HP total and yet in battle it goes down like it has half of what it really is, thankfully the reactive plates make up for the squishyness Closed Beta Vet. CEO: Helix Order My Youtube.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 7	Posted - 2015.05.18 18:52:00 - [3] - Quote Void Echo wrote: I run a gallente armour, 800 HP total and yet in battle it goes down like it has half of what it really is, thankfully the reactive plates make up for the squishyness Funny enough, Reactives don't get the bonus from the Armor Plating skill.
Isa Lucifer Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 247	Posted - 2015.05.18 18:56:00 - [4] - Quote If Rattati wants to or is already on the tiericide effort, then Reactives should get the bonus from the Armor Plating skill. But you have to balance that throught out all dropsuits and classes. Amarr Victor Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 7	Posted - 2015.05.18 19:40:00 - [5] - Quote Isa Lucifer wrote: If Rattati wants to or is already on the tiericide effort, then Reactives should get the bonus from the Armor Plating skill. But you have to balance that throught out all dropsuits and classes. They're supposed to, but the hotfix broke them.
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 16	Posted - 2015.05.18 20:08:00 - [6] - Quote Because 400 armor is literally nothing when the majority of weapons on the field are anti armor. Also, dual tanking scum. "Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - *Cat wisdom*
Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 427	Posted - 2015.05.18 20:12:00 - [7] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Because 400 armor is literally nothing when the majority of weapons on the field are anti armor. Also, dual tanking scum. It's only sometimes. Like 15% when I run caldari. Regulators are MUCH BETTER. Equip a ck.0 with 3 pro and you only have to wait for like 1 second till you start to recharge. 48th Special Operations Force. Twitter- @48SOF
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 16	Posted - 2015.05.18 20:15:00 - [8] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Because 400 armor is literally nothing when the majority of weapons on the field are anti armor. Also, dual tanking scum. It's only sometimes. Like 15% when I run caldari. Regulators are MUCH BETTER. Equip a ck.0 with 3 pro and you only have to wait for like 1 second till you start to recharge. If you're fighting against Gal FW then yeah, expect anti shield weaponry. But the average pub/pc match is nothing but combat rifles, rail rifles, bolt pistols, flaylocks, smg's, and SCR's. Yes the SCR is anti shield, but it melts EVERYTHING, so even then my point still stands. "Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - *Cat wisdom*
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 4	Posted - 2015.05.18 20:24:00 - [9] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Because 400 armor is literally nothing when the majority of weapons on the field are anti armor. Also, dual tanking scum. It's only sometimes. Like 15% when I run caldari. Regulators are MUCH BETTER. Equip a ck.0 with 3 pro and you only have to wait for like 1 second till you start to recharge. If you're fighting against Gal FW then yeah, expect anti shield weaponry. But the average pub/pc match is nothing but combat rifles, rail rifles, bolt pistols, flaylocks, smg's, and SCR's. Yes the SCR is anti shield, but it melts EVERYTHING, so even then my point still stands. Dual tanking scum is correct. Sniper Rifles are for Nitrogenous Dioxide Borons First to PM me with common name wins (no Hyansaru, u win too much ;P)
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 19	Posted - 2015.05.18 20:26:00 - [10] - Quote Caldari are not known for their armor systems but the highly sophisticated shield systems. CPM 1, Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= ADV HAVs =// Unlocked

Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 16	Posted - 2015.05.18 20:28:00 - [11] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Caldari are not known for their armor systems but the highly sophisticated shield systems. Your mom is a highly sophisticated shield system. "Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - *Cat wisdom*
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 4	Posted - 2015.05.18 20:30:00 - [12] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Caldari are not known for their armor systems but the highly sophisticated shield systems. Highly sophisticated shield systems < duct tape armor apparently Sniper Rifles are for Nitrogenous Dioxide Borons First to PM me with common name wins (no Hyansaru, u win too much ;P)
THUNDERGROOVE Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 1	Posted - 2015.05.18 20:30:00 - [13] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Also, dual tanking scum. This Mace yourself, blame someone else itGÇÖs okay, no one will believe you AIV member.
Vordred Knight Endless Hatred 724	Posted - 2015.05.18 20:38:00 - [14] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Caldari are not known for their armor systems but the highly sophisticated shield systems. Your mom is a highly sophisticated shield system. Hello, world!
Scheneighnay McBob And the ButtPirates 6	Posted - 2015.05.18 20:40:00 - [15] - Quote Comparing their stats to minmatar, they seem pretty sound. They could just use a little more shield HP, and higher shield regen on commandos. Also don't see what the problem is with caldari logis, or their skill. Repair nanohives seem to be their thing. Some details can be ignored
Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 427	Posted - 2015.05.18 21:15:00 - [16] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Caldari are not known for their armor systems but the highly sophisticated shield systems. WOW I DIDNT KNOW THAT. We all know that already. But it's not that directly that I'm talking about. 48th Special Operations Force. Twitter- @48SOF
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 19	Posted - 2015.05.18 21:23:00 - [17] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Caldari are not known for their armor systems but the highly sophisticated shield systems. WOW I DIDNT KNOW THAT. We all know that already. But it's not that directly that I'm talking about. You're complaining why caldari armor feels paper thin... I am pretty sure we're talking about how much cheaper it is to shield things than to patch all the holes all the time despite how shielding systems makes the operators feel very sick. CPM 1, Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= ADV HAVs =// Unlocked
Songs of Seraphim Negative-Feedback. 908	Posted - 2015.05.18 21:30:00 - [18] - Quote Not enough armor even if you stack it due to the fact that most of the weapons are anti-armor. Plus... ewww... armor.... Caldari Loyalist Join Caldari FW via Kirjuun Saaja
sir RAVEN WING 3	Posted - 2015.05.18 21:43:00 - [19] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: Why does it feel so crappy? Even when I tank out 400+ armor in a cal assault, it feels like 100. Is it a mentality thing that when you hop into a caldari suit, you rely on shields so much that you see your armor fly by or are they really crappy? Quote: Even when I tank out 400+ armour in a cal assault, it feels like 100. Quote: Even when I tank out 400+ armor in a cal assault Quote: 400+ armor in a cal assault BLASPHEMY! *"Are you crushing them?" - Delt* *"Yeah." - Medicure* *"You're doing God's work son." - Delt*
sir RAVEN WING 3	Posted - 2015.05.18 21:48:00 - [20] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Because 400 armor is literally nothing when the majority of weapons on the field are anti armor. Also, dual tanking scum. It's only sometimes. Like 15% when I run caldari. Regulators are MUCH BETTER. Equip a ck.0 with 3 pro and you only have to wait for like 1 second till you start to recharge. If you're fighting against Gal FW then yeah, expect anti shield weaponry. But the average pub/pc match is nothing but combat rifles, rail rifles, bolt pistols, flaylocks, smg's, and SCR's. Yes the SCR is anti shield, but it melts EVERYTHING, so even then my point still stands. TARs, ARs, BARs, and HMGs are also common. I am rather disappointed that BrARs (Despite still melting shields like nothing at ADV) are rarely seen. *"Are you crushing them?" - Delt* *"Yeah." - Medicure* *"You're doing God's work son." - Delt*

Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 16	Posted - 2015.05.18 22:08:00 - [21] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Because 400 armor is literally nothing when the majority of weapons on the field are anti armor. Also, dual tanking scum. It's only sometimes. Like 15% when I run caldari. Regulators are MUCH BETTER. Equip a ck.0 with 3 pro and you only have to wait for like 1 second till you start to recharge. If you're fighting against Gal FW then yeah, expect anti shield weaponry. But the average pub/pc match is nothing but combat rifles, rail rifles, bolt pistols, flaylocks, smg's, and SCR's. Yes the SCR is anti shield, but it melts EVERYTHING, so even then my point still stands. TARs, ARs, BARs, and HMGs are also common. I am rather disappointed that BrARs (Despite still melting shields like nothing at ADV) are rarely seen. Those first three aren't even as common together as a Combat Rifle, from my experience. HMG's are... well... they're anti armor but like the SCR they shred things so quickly I don't even think it's worth mentioning it as an anti armor weapon. "Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - *Cat wisdom*
sir RAVEN WING 3	Posted - 2015.05.19 01:09:00 - [22] - Quote From my experience, I see the first three more than CRs. (As I Caldari user, I would rather it the other way around) I was simply stating they are also common, yet they were not stated, and yes, they rip through shields at amazing speeds. *"Are you crushing them?" - Delt* *"Yeah." - Medicure* *"You're doing God's work son." - Delt*
Nachos Rogue Instincts New Eden's Heros 63	Posted - 2015.05.19 02:26:00 - [23] - Quote I jut saw fixitgd stacking 660+ armor on a cal assault SCRUBMODE xavier zor xavier zor
nelo kazuma Ecce Initio RLC. 200	Posted - 2015.05.19 04:19:00 - [24] - Quote Because hit detection on certain suits are wonky as hell so since shield are ineffective against most weapons even non shield weapons nail almost every shot sp doesnt matter how much shield u stack FOR THE STATE ^(-_-) Cal Loyalist For Life
Squagga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 611	Posted - 2015.05.19 17:05:00 - [25] - Quote Shields are broken, m'kay Shields, the silent killer.
Ydubbs81 RND Negative-Feedback 3	Posted - 2015.05.19 17:39:00 - [26] - Quote I'm thinking people are using armor weapons because more people are armor tanking because they know that armor tanking > shield tanking. Shield tanking is hard mode /period. > Check RND out here
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.05.19 17:43:00 - [27] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: I'm thinking people are using armor weapons because more people are armor tanking because they know that armor tanking > shield tanking. Meanwhile people run scramblers to just roflstomp any shield suit they come past. Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Michael Arck 6	Posted - 2015.05.19 17:52:00 - [28] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: I'm thinking people are using armor weapons because more people are armor tanking because they know that armor tanking > shield tanking. I can agree with that Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Squagga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 611	Posted - 2015.05.19 18:36:00 - [29] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: I'm thinking people are using armor weapons because more people are armor tanking because they know that armor tanking > shield tanking. Yeah, pretty much Shields, the silent killer.
P14GU3 UNIVERSAL C.A.R.N.A.G.E 1	Posted - 2015.05.19 18:45:00 - [30] - Quote My cal tech only has one counter! Why can't I be godmode?! Waaah!! ^ everyone in this thread.. 'Sault AK.0 - Logi AK.0 - Logi GK.0 - Scout GK.0 - 'Mando MK.0 - Masshole in every sense of the word.

Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 674	Posted - 2015.05.19 19:42:00 - [31] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: My cal tech only has one counter! Why can't I be godmode?! Waaah!! ^ everyone in this thread.. ^"I'm a assshole who sees only in black and white." Saying what's on people's minds
JazzPunk Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.05.19 19:52:00 - [32] - Quote I'd rather have my shields than armor, but that is just me, i like things to be run based on lore, even though we get shredded like paper.
Squagga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 611	Posted - 2015.05.19 20:44:00 - [33] - Quote JazzPunk wrote: I'd rather have my shields than armor, but that is just me, i like things to be run based on lore, even though we get shredded like paper. I actually like the lore aspect of this game a lot. The "new rules" are making it very difficult to be Caldari. Also I like to be fast and shoot and run into small battles and run out. They've completely changed this, because ... Now Caldari have to fight from a distance? Is it like this in EvE? Is that where the rules say we have to fight from far away and still get cut up? Shields, the silent killer.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.05.19 20:58:00 - [34] - Quote Squagga wrote: JazzPunk wrote: I'd rather have my shields than armor, but that is just me, i like things to be run based on lore, even though we get shredded like paper. I actually like the lore aspect of this game a lot. The "new rules" are making it very difficult to be Caldari. Also I like to be fast and shoot and run into small battles and run out. They've completely changed this, because ... Now Caldari have to fight from a distance? Is it like this in EvE? Is that where the rules say we have to fight from far away and still get cut up? Caldari do not do short range particularly well in EVE..... to be frank I've never seen a Caldari Ship that wanted to fight within Scram-Kiting Range.... except maybe a 'Blarpy' [Blaster-Harpy]. Once you pin them down Gallentean will ******* tear Caldari ships in half with insane DPS blaster fire, Minmatar are likely to do the same, even in my experience most Amarr ships within Scorch range with rip the shields of Caldari apart with little trouble. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
Michael Arck 6	Posted - 2015.05.19 21:01:00 - [35] - Quote Squagga wrote: JazzPunk wrote: I'd rather have my shields than armor, but that is just me, i like things to be run based on lore, even though we get shredded like paper. I actually like the lore aspect of this game a lot. The "new rules" are making it very difficult to be Caldari. Also I like to be fast and shoot and run into small battles and run out. They've completely changed this, because ... Now Caldari have to fight from a distance? Is it like this in EvE? Is that where the rules say we have to fight from far away and still get cut up? My sentiments exactly. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
JazzPunk Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.05.19 21:06:00 - [36] - Quote Squagga wrote: JazzPunk wrote: I'd rather have my shields than armor, but that is just me, i like things to be run based on lore, even though we get shredded like paper. I actually like the lore aspect of this game a lot. The "new rules" are making it very difficult to be Caldari. Also I like to be fast and shoot and run into small battles and run out. They've completely changed this, because ... Now Caldari have to fight from a distance? Is it like this in EvE? Is that where the rules say we have to fight from far away and still get cut up? I don't think CCP has shields as their priority right now. I like to think that they are working on fixing bugs secretly and trying to fix the degrading master code that has plagued DUST since it's conception. I don't know if they are per se, but I like to think that. I just wish shields were in a better state, it is hard to be assault right now, and there is no forseeable way that'll make me dual tank. I don't think Caldari of old fought from a distance, despite the Sniper Rifle and possibly Forge, most Cal-Tech is mid range, but it is difficult because of this stupid state we are in. The ScR buff was one of the most horrific nerfs to the Caldari IMO, though I do remember the old days when the AR reigned violently....
Squagga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 614	Posted - 2015.05.19 21:48:00 - [37] - Quote Yeah, but the AR was pretty much the only rifle we had at the time Shields, the silent killer.
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.05.19 23:01:00 - [38] - Quote Anti armor guns are more common because there is not only more armor based suits on the field, but also because anti armor guns are better at shreading shields than anti shield guns are at shreading armour. So.. anti armor guns > anti shield guns 80% of the time. With exception for HMG, ScR, SR and BP. They feel like if they had 100% on both shields and armour. Caldari Loyalist thecreaturehub fan
fragmentedhackslash Negative-Feedback. 343	Posted - 2015.05.20 12:05:00 - [39] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Caldari are not known for their armor systems but the highly sophisticated shield systems. Minmatar Scouts & Logis are both the only frontline suits that have had zero adjustments to basic stats in 2 years. Min Scout: extremely high run speed, suffers with no absolutly ewar. For 2 years was under 'stop and drop' aka stunlock conditions. This suit has never been balanced with basic suit stats. Min Logi: Was never involved with 'slayer logi era' and is the only front line logi directly in the fight. This suit has never been balanced with basic suit stats. Now, the first to die to Re's (yes, still) MD Spam and single shotted by a shotgun that has times the FOUR range table it should have, subsequently comparing it to the sniper rifle that has been reduced by 78% of real world values. When it comes to Cal Assaults, I look straight at the female frame Caldari Assault & Caldari Scout hitbox changes and it shows in the armour being splinted just like a Minmatar suit. Just because something is not apparent or showing, in error, does not mean that there is no error. Suggestion? Full Teiricide, and the deployment of Cores and upgrade teirs into Command Modules. Drop this piece of *** engine, port to PS4. Job Done. Pain is just weakness leaving your body. Every day is a holiday. Every meal is a feast.
Fixitgd Incorruptibles 331	Posted - 2015.06.03 15:48:00 - [40] - Quote Nachos wrote: I jut saw fixitgd stacking 660+ armor on a cal assault SCRUBMODE Pics or it didnt happen "Suck it!" - S.M.

Tebu Gan Capital Acquisitions LLC 1	Posted - 2015.06.03 17:01:00 - [41] - Quote Nachos wrote: I jut saw fixitgd stacking 660+ armor on a cal assault SCRUBMODE I do this with 3 damage mods. Pretty beast with a logi. I've tried some different shield fits though haven't had nearly as much luck. Sure that quick regen is nice, though it's hard to justify going full shields at the sacrifice of extra damage output when many of the other suits you go against are stacked with defenses and that attack power. I can generally end an engagement fast stacked with armor, where with a shield fit I spend more time running away desperately trying to keep shields regenerated only to have them drop in half a second. Play with a logi and this build is beastly. Tanks - Balancing Turrets
nelo kazuma Ecce Initio RLC. RUST415 241	Posted - 2015.06.03 17:28:00 - [42] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Caldari are not known for their armor systems but the highly sophisticated shield systems. Lol really ccp frame had to make his own suit because he knows how Pitiful any cko shield stacking is its regen that helps up but shield resistance is garbage atm. I find myself hybrid stacking or regen stacking id sa either the cal need a speed buff or better shield regen. FOR THE STATE ^(-_-) Cal Loyalist For Life
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 288	Posted - 2015.06.03 18:54:00 - [43] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Squagga wrote: JazzPunk wrote: I'd rather have my shields than armor, but that is just me, i like things to be run based on lore, even though we get shredded like paper. I actually like the lore aspect of this game a lot. The "new rules" are making it very difficult to be Caldari. Also I like to be fast and shoot and run into small battles and run out. They've completely changed this, because ... Now Caldari have to fight from a distance? Is it like this in EvE? Is that where the rules say we have to fight from far away and still get cut up? Caldari do not do short range particularly well in EVE..... to be frank I've never seen a Caldari Ship that wanted to fight within Scram-Kiting Range.... except maybe a 'Blarpy' [Blaster-Harpy]. Once you pin them down Gallentean will ******* tear Caldari ships in half with insane DPS blaster fire, Minmatar are likely to do the same, even in my experience most Amarr ships within Scorch range with rip the shields of Caldari apart with little trouble. Caldari Close range vessels typically use Missiles, and a purpose built platforms...Siege Ravens, Variations of HAMGus, and HAM Drakes...all of which mount truly massive shield tanks, with a prop mod to help them close the distance...Siege Ravens are typically only used for Starbase Bashing...when you feel like spending lots of ISK to get it done marginally faster than a laser boat will for free though. But yes, the far more common setups are built for Kiting in some way or another, but almost all mount hefty shield tanks with enough eHP to withstand a tremendous amount of punishment Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. Vehicle Re-vamp Proposal


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