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Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 795	Posted - 2015.05.14 13:43:00 - [1] - Quote If you hold still, literally everyone will headshot you. If you move the slightest bit, shifting your feet in any way, the Sniper Rifle will sway and shake like crazy, even with max skills. It is easier and faster to snipe with the forge gun because it remains steady when walking or strafing. This helps alleviate some of the fine aiming difficulties with the analog knob. You get your elevation right, and then walk left and right to aim, and it allows for some accurate long range shots. I propose a buff to the Sniper Rifle skill, 20% reduction to crouched sway per level. At level 5 a crouching sniper will be able to crouch walk their weapon. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 797	Posted - 2015.05.15 13:47:00 - [2] - Quote Really, the sniper rifle just isn't fun. Low rewards and painfully unforgiving aim mechanics. Sometimes I miss so many times in a row the enemies stop trying to evade. I would be laughing if I wasn't trying so hard to line up a headshot. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
Vesta Opalus Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 707	Posted - 2015.05.15 18:11:00 - [3] - Quote Luk Manag wrote: If you hold still, literally everyone will headshot you. If you move the slightest bit, shifting your feet in any way, the Sniper Rifle will sway and shake like crazy, even with max skills. It is easier and faster to snipe with the forge gun because it remains steady when walking or strafing. This helps alleviate some of the fine aiming difficulties with the analog knob. You get your elevation right, and then walk left and right to aim, and it allows for some accurate long range shots. I propose a buff to the Sniper Rifle skill, 20% reduction to crouched sway per level. At level 5 a crouching sniper will be able to crouch walk their weapon. Agree that sway is whats holding sniping back from being anything but pure redline hugging The fact is that as long as sniper mechanics reward you for sitting around in one position and punish you for being mobile, then sniping will disproportionately reward camping in one spot, and since camping in one spot is suicidal, you will end up with people camping in the redline, where only other snipers can kill them.
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 802	Posted - 2015.05.16 00:51:00 - [4] - Quote Exactly. If we could pop in and out of cover it would make a big difference in how the weapon is used. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
The Lion ElJonson 1st Legion The Dark Angels 218	Posted - 2015.05.16 01:37:00 - [5] - Quote Luk Manag wrote: Exactly. If we could pop in and out of cover it would make a big difference in how the weapon is used. you mean like constantly? the sniper rifles are fine, The chat channel 'player trade' is open for adding contacts and placing item advertisements in game.
Stormblade Green KnightKiller's inc. 78	Posted - 2015.05.16 01:55:00 - [6] - Quote Luk Manag wrote: If you hold still, literally everyone will headshot you. If you move the slightest bit, shifting your feet in any way, the Sniper Rifle will sway and shake like crazy, even with max skills. It is easier and faster to snipe with the forge gun because it remains steady when walking or strafing. This helps alleviate some of the fine aiming difficulties with the analog knob. You get your elevation right, and then walk left and right to aim, and it allows for some accurate long range shots. I propose a buff to the Sniper Rifle skill, 20% reduction to crouched sway per level. At level 5 a crouching sniper will be able to crouch walk their weapon. First game that comes to mind...... TF2 One might say... I'm very skilled... yet I'm his apprentice... So what does that say about my mentor?
Dementia Maniaclease Dust 514 Elite Ops 30	Posted - 2015.05.16 02:15:00 - [7] - Quote Orrrrrr..... Your could use it point blank range.. I've done it before, fell from my perch right in front of a red and just pulled the trigger Dead red Never had trouble with the sniper rifle, Just have too much ADD to stay park in one spot .. even with good kills "An enemy on the march is at its most vulnerable"- Sun Tzu
Chosokabe Ite Shields Of The State 80	Posted - 2015.05.16 04:05:00 - [8] - Quote Not sure about this one, feels like It would make sniping too easy. The sway isn't that much of an obstacle if you limit your movement. I have no problem finding good spots that hide me from view and give me angle to sit and snipe from, not needing to move at all, thus, the sway isn't going to bother me. I've had a 14-kill 0-death match sniping thit way. If I get killed, it's because some had to look for me first. And It's just dumb getting close to the battle itself or sitting on top of a hill/tower where everyone can see you. You don't have to worry about sway if you snipe smart. I fear this idea would turn sniping into This (skip to 0:23)
TooMany Names AlreadyTaken Going for the gold 1178	Posted - 2015.05.16 05:26:00 - [9] - Quote Dementia Maniaclease wrote: Orrrrrr..... Your could use it point blank range.. I've done it before, fell from my perch right in front of a red and just pulled the trigger Dead red Never had trouble with the sniper rifle, Just have too much ADD to stay park in one spot .. even with good kills Heh... I once got attacked by a scout while sniping. I wasn't aiming but just pulled the trigger and got a random headshot on him, I was laughing for 5 minutes without stopping.
DJINN Jecture Templar of the Glowing Blade 371	Posted - 2015.05.16 17:29:00 - [10] - Quote CHICAGOCUBS noticed the same thing back in mid-late open beta. His solution was to snipe with a Forge gun. *-ç +æ+Ä ß+¦ß¦+Gé¦ß+¡ !!!* *ß¦äß¦â-à*

NINEinch WEAPON WarRavens 95	Posted - 2015.05.17 04:58:00 - [11] - Quote Yes if they remove the sway, my guess is you will be able to hip fire better in cqc. .. it will be op "winning" an inch at a time
TheEnd762 SVER True Blood RUST415 756	Posted - 2015.05.17 10:43:00 - [12] - Quote NINEinch WEAPON wrote: Yes if they remove the sway, my guess is you will be able to hip fire better in cqc. .. it will be op It only has sway in ADS.
Starlight Burner Arrary of Clusters 261	Posted - 2015.05.17 10:43:00 - [13] - Quote Sounds more like Quick Scoping will become a thing with the Tactical rifles. No to your Request. CEO of Arrary of Clusters, a close relations corporation Caldari Factional Warfare, enlist today! Thank you for DUST
deezy dabest 2291	Posted - 2015.05.17 11:13:00 - [14] - Quote I can agree that the sway is a bad mechanic but things would have to be seriously adjusted around removing it. Additional kick, adjusted rate of fire, and zoom that increases over time are just some possible adjustments that could be used to keep sniper rifles from become all about quick scoping while making them more viable outside of the red line.
Tread Loudly 2 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 128	Posted - 2015.05.17 15:15:00 - [15] - Quote Speak for yourselves... I have a lot of fun running around quickscoping people with the Tac Variant. It's one of my favorite things to do ^-^ I Like Tanks, Nova Knives and MagSec SMG's.
Scheneighnay McBob And the ButtPirates 6645	Posted - 2015.05.18 00:23:00 - [16] - Quote This is idiotic. I personally think EVERY weapon should have vastly increased dispersion while you're moving. It's realistic. We don't need CoDumbasses trying to quickscope. Sniper rifles have the initial sway they have now because CCP intended to crush quickscoping before it became a problem. And they were successful. I still laugh every time one of those idiots tries it. Some details can be ignored
TheEnd762 SVER True Blood RUST415 757	Posted - 2015.05.18 04:01:00 - [17] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: This is idiotic. I personally think EVERY weapon should have vastly increased dispersion while you're moving. It's realistic. We don't need CoDumbasses trying to quickscope. Sniper rifles have the initial sway they have now because CCP intended to crush quickscoping before it became a problem. And they were successful. I still laugh every time one of those idiots tries it. This isn't about sway while moving. This is about initial sway when still, which has nothing to do with quickscoping.
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 811	Posted - 2015.05.18 12:16:00 - [18] - Quote Yeah, the initial sway where you just have to wait is silly. If you move, it sways all over again. I agree about sway while running, so maybe we could have a movement threshold, where if you are going slow enough you will not sway when aiming. If you stop, crouch, and aim, it works as expected in every other FPS ever. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
Tread Loudly 2 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 129	Posted - 2015.05.18 12:23:00 - [19] - Quote You can already "QuickScope" however it's not a simple as in games like COD. However I don't know why you would call us "dumbasses". If we can "Quickscope" you at 5-40 meters before you can kill us with an AR,RR,CR, etc. then you simply have no aim whatsoever. So before you decide to go on a rant, have validation, because it seems you don't play the game enough to know what you're talking about. Let my sniper see far, and my Bolt Pistol kill many.
Chime Jigme Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2015.05.18 13:30:00 - [20] - Quote Dementia Maniaclease wrote: Orrrrrr..... Your could use it point blank range.. I've done it before, fell from my perch right in front of a red and just pulled the trigger Dead red Never had trouble with the sniper rifle, Just have too much ADD to stay park in one spot .. even with good kills I once got into a close combat with a red while sniping. I emptied my SMG and instead of reloading I switched to my sniper rifle that had one bullet still loaded and just blasted my opponent to death with a point-blank shot. It was awesome and fun. I sketched a comic, dramatizing that situation (my character shooting the sniper rifle with just one arm and flying ten meters backward from the kickback). I might finish that sometime.

Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 811	Posted - 2015.05.18 13:39:00 - [21] - Quote If someone wants to shoot me at .5 meters, they deserve to get the hit... It's just ridiculous trying to imagine how you could miss when the barrel of the weapon is blunted up against the target's shields or armor. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.05.18 14:30:00 - [22] - Quote TheEnd762 wrote: NINEinch WEAPON wrote: Yes if they remove the sway, my guess is you will be able to hip fire better in cqc. .. it will be op It only has sway in ADS. And it only has no dispersion in ADS. Trying to shoot it without aiming causes it to disperse anywhere up to 80% of your screen away. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Banjo Robertson Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 604	Posted - 2015.05.18 16:07:00 - [23] - Quote just remove snipers from the game, but if we fail to get that, yeah, remove the sway completely, make the sniper operation skill do some other bonus because sniper sway shouldnt even be in the game.
Vesta Opalus Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 711	Posted - 2015.05.18 16:33:00 - [24] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: This is idiotic. I personally think EVERY weapon should have vastly increased dispersion while you're moving. It's realistic. We don't need CoDumbasses trying to quickscope. Sniper rifles have the initial sway they have now because CCP intended to crush quickscoping before it became a problem. And they were successful. I still laugh every time one of those idiots tries it. You are 100% right, except that quickscoping is still a thing in dust
DJINN Jecture Templar of the Glowing Blade 378	Posted - 2015.05.18 16:37:00 - [25] - Quote The history of sniper sway in Dust is really colorful and is a result of much QQ from non snipers and snipers alike. I realized we may have an issue so I went out and did some sniping tests. First test was to get up to high position and snipe down on targets running while adjusting in ADS to follow and lead. I got the impression that hitting a moving target was impossible or next to impossible anyways. I agree the sway is way overdone on the sniper rifles. It needs to be toned down or the benefit of max sniping skills increased greatly. My skills in sniping are high enough to tame the snipe sway somewhat but they should be taming it more. In fact my belief is that adjusting my aim shouldn't cause my rifle to jig all over the screen but it does. There are several ways to fix this, mostly taken from other game(s): Scopes, Bipods, Silencers and Muzzle brakes to improve control ability for snipers and other mercenaries* Adjust the code to limit the sway Prone, Vault, and Cover options in movement* Attachments to weapons add customization key to generating more revenue in the AUR market as well as the Player market by adding more cost based on attachments to the weapons to improve control, range, damage and effectiveness for the player. If you want some idea of what this means download and play Ghost Recon Phantoms on Steam to see what these type of customizations can do for improving rifle performance. There is simply too much sway at any level of SP invested to make any sniper training worthwhile, the ION Pistol works better There have been many many threads about this over the last 4 years with good reason -ç +æ+Ä ß+¦ß¦+Gé¦ß+¡ !!! ß¦äß¦â-à**
Mobius Wyvern Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 6	Posted - 2015.05.19 02:44:00 - [26] - Quote Remove sway and you get quick-scopers. I'd rather have sway. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 720	Posted - 2015.05.19 04:32:00 - [27] - Quote NINEinch WEAPON wrote: Yes if they remove the sway, my guess is you will be able to hip fire better in cqc. .. it will be op You can already do this by putting a dot in the middle of your screen with a marker. Nope, sniper needs to be a role made up of a combination of a light suit with bonuses, damage mods and more sp investment in the weapon with third tier skills in order to be respected and not end up being a go to for every Tom, ***, and Harry. Lol, I feel for people named Dck. Your name gets filtered. The CPM candidate we need, not the one we want. The candidate for the rest of us.
DJINN Jecture Templar of the Glowing Blade 379	Posted - 2015.05.19 05:42:00 - [28] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Remove sway and you get quick-scopers. I'd rather have sway. As opposed to quick shot gunners? *-ç +æ+Ä ß+¦ß¦+Gé¦ß+¡ !!!* *ß¦äß¦â-à*
DJINN Jecture Templar of the Glowing Blade 379	Posted - 2015.05.19 05:46:00 - [29] - Quote Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: NINEinch WEAPON wrote: Yes if they remove the sway, my guess is you will be able to hip fire better in cqc. .. it will be op You can already do this by putting a dot in the middle of your screen with a marker. Nope, sniper needs to be a role made up of a combination of a light suit with bonuses, damage mods and more sp investment in the weapon with third tier skills in order to be respected and not end up being a go to for every Tom, ***, and Harry. Lol, I feel for people named Dck. Your name gets filtered. I'm fairly certain that given I have taken many a target out with a Thale pre major sniper jig and sway patch that skill points have been invested on my part at least to compensate for a significant amount of sway, unfortunate for those less skilled than me. Still there seems to be a good deal more sway then what is really acceptable for some one fully competent in sniping. *-ç +æ+Ä ß+¦ß¦+Gé¦ß+¡ !!!* *ß¦äß¦â-à*
Lahut K'mar sarges heros New Eden's Heros 73	Posted - 2015.05.19 06:36:00 - [30] - Quote In my opinion scouts and commandos don't have a problem with this since the former is stealthy and highly mobile while the latter can use a rail rifle and only bother sniping when the need arises and terrain permits. In other words, they don't have to camp for any longer than necessary and can get out of there when sniping is no longer possible. Nah, I think snipers are fine. Just build a fitting that permits greater mobility and/or versatility. If that's not an option, use the laser rifle. Horrifying? That's a strange way to spell "romantic". FIX THE WHEEL, CCP!

KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 1	Posted - 2015.05.19 06:52:00 - [31] - Quote Nah, the silly sway in Dust makes sniping suck. It is part of the balance. You get to burn SP to reduce it to horrible. Sink that ISK, sink that SP. Get squat for it. My favorite tank is a Lightning. Just sayin.
Lahut K'mar sarges heros New Eden's Heros 73	Posted - 2015.05.19 06:52:00 - [32] - Quote DJINN Jecture wrote: Scopes Tactical vs vanilla. DJINN Jecture wrote: Bipods Cool idea actually. DJINN Jecture wrote: Silencers and Muzzle brakes It's a railgun, dude. DJINN Jecture wrote: Prone, Vault, and Cover options in movement*** SoonGäó Besides, it's been argued that prone would make sentinels OP, we've already got jumps and we can crouch. Horrifying? That's a strange way to spell "romantic". FIX THE WHEEL, CCP!
DJINN Jecture Templar of the Glowing Blade 379	Posted - 2015.05.19 10:37:00 - [33] - Quote Lahut K'mar wrote: DJINN Jecture wrote: Scopes Tactical vs vanilla. DJINN Jecture wrote: Bipods Cool idea actually. DJINN Jecture wrote: Silencers and Muzzle brakes It's a railgun, dude. DJINN Jecture wrote: Prone, Vault, and Cover options in movement* SoonGäó Besides, it's been argued that prone would make sentinels OP, we've already got jumps and we can crouch. Just regarding the jumps comment, Vaulting is different than Jumping. What this means is that there would be more ability to use terrain as a mobility assistance rather than just stuff to bump into such as going over a rail on a catwalk (without myofibs on a fatsuit) to drop onto an enemy. Jumping relies on upward motion from legs, vaulting requires manipulation of your arms and legs together to lift yourself over an obstacle. In reference to the responses to my post above reyours: These options for movement would be useful if the said attachments were added and yeah I know sniper rifles are rail rifles but the concept is there, please for the love of god tell me that there is more than one person on these forums who believes that some sort of present->future tech may actually be possible in Dust. -ç +æ+Ä ß+¦ß¦+Gé¦ß+¡ !!! ß¦äß¦â-à**
Cenvast Teg Corvuss Secure Services 1	Posted - 2015.05.19 11:02:00 - [34] - Quote Seems to me the sway when initially bringing up the scope is needed to avoid 'run - scope - headshot' style quickscoping. The sway when you are already crouched and scoped and trying to move to avoid return fire as you pick off a target is unfair, especially since the range nerf designed to bring snipers closer to the battle. Would removing the latter and keeping the former help?
itssnowingon me Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 16	Posted - 2015.05.19 12:01:00 - [35] - Quote I guess I'm the only one the still gets mid 30 kills with one, love the sniper don't change it
DJINN Jecture Templar of the Glowing Blade 379	Posted - 2015.05.19 19:43:00 - [36] - Quote Cenvast Teg wrote: Seems to me the sway when initially bringing up the scope is needed to avoid 'run - scope - headshot' style quickscoping. The sway when you are already crouched and scoped and trying to move to avoid return fire as you pick off a target is unfair, especially since the range nerf designed to bring snipers closer to the battle. Would removing the latter and keeping the former help? Yes. *-ç +æ+Ä ß+¦ß¦+Gé¦ß+¡ !!!* *ß¦äß¦â-à*
Lahut K'mar sarges heros New Eden's Heros 77	Posted - 2015.05.20 06:55:00 - [37] - Quote DJINN Jecture wrote: there would be more ability to use terrain as a mobility assistance rather than just stuff to bump into such as going over a rail on a catwalk (without myofibs on a fatsuit) to drop onto an enemy. yeah I know sniper rifles are rail rifles but the concept is there, please for the love of god tell me that there is more than one person on these forums who believes that some sort of present->future tech may actually be possible in Dust. Good point about the vaulting. It gets silly when a sentinel can't get over an ankle-high girder. As for the silencer and muzzle brake: Railguns can't be feasibly silenced. The only sound is the projectile itself and the only way to silence it it to reduce projectile speed, use better flechettes or remove the atmosphere. And an open railgun has no gas pressure. There might be other ways to reduce recoil, but a brake wouldn't help at all. Horrifying? That's a strange way to spell "romantic". FIX THE WHEEL, CCP!
Apocalyptic Destroyerr Shining Flame Amarr Empire 128	Posted - 2015.05.20 12:45:00 - [38] - Quote He actually has Removing the sway in Rattati's big Board of Things
DJINN Jecture Templar of the Glowing Blade 379	Posted - 2015.05.20 15:43:00 - [39] - Quote Lahut K'mar wrote: DJINN Jecture wrote: there would be more ability to use terrain as a mobility assistance rather than just stuff to bump into such as going over a rail on a catwalk (without myofibs on a fatsuit) to drop onto an enemy. yeah I know sniper rifles are rail rifles but the concept is there, please for the love of god tell me that there is more than one person on these forums who believes that some sort of present->future tech may actually be possible in Dust. Good point about the vaulting. It gets silly when a sentinel can't get over an ankle-high girder. As for the silencer and muzzle brake: Railguns can't be feasibly silenced. The only sound is the projectile itself and the only way to silence it it to reduce projectile speed, use better flechettes or remove the atmosphere. And an open railgun has no gas pressure. There might be other ways to reduce recoil, but a brake wouldn't help at all. I see your point, but raise you combat rifles, assault rifles, heavy machine guns and various pistols of all calibre. *-ç +æ+Ä ß+¦ß¦+Gé¦ß+¡ !!!* *ß¦äß¦â-à*
jace silencerww D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 168	Posted - 2015.05.20 17:22:00 - [40] - Quote Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: NINEinch WEAPON wrote: Yes if they remove the sway, my guess is you will be able to hip fire better in cqc. .. it will be op You can already do this by putting a dot in the middle of your screen with a marker. Nope, sniper needs to be a role made up of a combination of a light suit with bonuses, damage mods and more sp investment in the weapon with third tier skills in order to be respected and not end up being a go to for every Tom, ***, and Harry. Lol, I feel for people named Dck. Your name gets filtered. CCP has fixed some of the dot bit by having wild dispersion when not ads. OH the sniper roles are then already in the CALDARI COMMANDO. faster reload and damage to rail rifles. lol. you can kinda quick scope now but just need some focus and practice. the swap has never really stop my sniping. FYI my record is 57/0/0 and have done this 4 times. stop trying to line up headshot just learn to read how people move and most run or use the same walkways and area to move from place to place. in my starter sniper suit using militia sniper and killed 33 in a match

Vesta Opalus Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 729	Posted - 2015.05.20 17:28:00 - [41] - Quote jace silencerww wrote: Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: NINEinch WEAPON wrote: Yes if they remove the sway, my guess is you will be able to hip fire better in cqc. .. it will be op You can already do this by putting a dot in the middle of your screen with a marker. Nope, sniper needs to be a role made up of a combination of a light suit with bonuses, damage mods and more sp investment in the weapon with third tier skills in order to be respected and not end up being a go to for every Tom, ***, and Harry. Lol, I feel for people named Dck. Your name gets filtered. CCP has fixed some of the dot bit by having wild dispersion when not ads. OH the sniper roles are then already in the CALDARI COMMANDO. faster reload and damage to rail rifles. lol. you can kinda quick scope now but just need some focus and practice. the swap has never really stop my sniping. FYI my record is 57/0/0 and have done this 4 times. stop trying to line up headshot just learn to read how people move and most run or use the same walkways and area to move from place to place. in my starter sniper suit using militia sniper and killed 33 in a match Thats just sad. Really its other player's lazyness that lets snipers do anything at all, the first time you sniped me I would have countersniped your ass inside half a minute. Then murdered every other sniper on your team just for kicks before switching back into my useful suit.
Imp Smash Molon Labe. RUST415 848	Posted - 2015.05.21 07:37:00 - [42] - Quote Hold breath mechanic would work too. Useable standing or crouching. Would allow frontline tactical markspeople roles.
nelo kazuma Ecce Initio RLC. RUST415 201	Posted - 2015.05.21 07:56:00 - [43] - Quote I would agree but it would then be abused a keynoard and mouse player would have to great an advantage over an enemy sniper ive tryed sniping with mouse n holy hell was it easier I prefer my remote though FOR THE STATE ^(-_-) Cal Loyalist For Life
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 819	Posted - 2015.05.21 19:44:00 - [44] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote: He actually has Removing the sway in Rattati's big Board of Things Success! I know we haven't come up with a lot of new ideas, but I still like mine...no sway if crouched. Alternatively, if you are moving below 2m/s when you aim, or you move just a little while aiming, it doesn't simply start swaying around all crazy like.... "The damn stabilization gyros deharmonize with the slightest of positional updates." There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 1	Posted - 2015.05.21 23:07:00 - [45] - Quote MOG* has everything you are asking for. Dust doesn't. They are not the same game. Much as I enjoy the other I no longer wish for Dust to change. Because I have given up. The platform is too ancient, the game engine is as well. The entire connection with New Eden means that balanced game play was never a possibility, it just took me a long time to realize it. And adding all the features to a single class? Not going to happen. Well, I am learning not to say that. While I disagree with @CCP Rattati at least half the time, he is making progress. More so than any before him and since Uprising 1.0 was foisted off on us. I play Dust to be with my friends. Some game play aspects are interesting. But for serious get down and fight on fairly equal terms, MOG. First, last and always. There is no comparison. * My Othere Game, see the foot locker. My favorite tank is a Lightning. Just sayin.


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