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RedBleach LeSanglant
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.05.14 21:30:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:I think I have thread about this somewhere or, at least have expressed my will to amend this and make speeds/ehp more logical. Since I am already looking at flattened slot progression, this could be a double whammy.
Double Whammies are OK. Better to rip the bandaid off than pull half now and half later. If it means more sensible gameplay progression and a flatter curve for new players in understanding the game I wholeheartedly support it.
It can be tweaked later, but getting the primary change taken care of is usually better than waiting.
From previous balance discussions I know that paced changes provide better feedback for monitoring @ CCP. You need that data, I get that. So, if we must wait, we will. Excitement for change gets the better of me I'm afraid.
The Logi Code. Creator, Believer, Follower
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RedBleach LeSanglant
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.05.14 21:45:00 -
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I Agree Pokey, The power core Idea is quite an amazing idea. Rather ingenious I must say.
Well done Avallo Kantor.
@OP
Thank you for addressing this subject with attention to detail - the HP vs Speed thing has been on my mind for years and I've talked about the outliers but never went with your depth. So thank you.
And I agree to the HP/Speed concept. - the fine tuning that may need to come with heavy Low Slots or modules is minimal than having an outlined rule. I desire clear concepts and outlines that give the game a sense of definition when addressing culture classes and roles.
As with all tiercide or slot flattening discussions I must ask if anyone has any creative ideas as to the current BPOs, Starter Fits, outlier BPO's, and ultimately APEX and how we might address their value? (Skins are playing into this as well as CCP makes skins of all the original BPO's.) Seeing as an Apex suit was 2-3x the cost of other BPO's. How should it be handled respective to the initial price investments of players?
BPOs -> Skins
is what CCP is working on currently. I can see that, and see that the skins are now as expensive as those BPOs. And while I bought some BPO's for the skin many I bought simply for the function or the class.
APEX's are a different matter. Even thought they are Golden I don't believe players bought these for the paint job - a fact supported in many a discussion :) - They were purchased for their performance - and now the APEX is more valuable than ever because it can be edited... minimally, but it can still be edited.
Thus:
If Slot Flattening was enacted, and we maintained the STD/ADV/PRO slot progression and now all suits shared the same Slot layouts at the current proto level but with CPU/PG jumps at each level; would it be appropriate to see the APEX have an ADV level CPU/PG rating? It maintains value above other BPO/Skins.
Will we see CPU/PG adjustments with the Flattening (if it did happen)? Currently I can fit some of my STD BPO's better than my APEX fittings because of their greater CPU/PG. Just thinking....
I'm open to other ideas, - sorry not meaning to derail the thread, but if anyone had an ingenious idea like the Cores idea I would love to hear it or be pointed to another thread where it is discussed.
The Logi Code. Creator, Believer, Follower
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RedBleach LeSanglant
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.05.15 01:40:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:While true tiericide would make APEX suits less appealing, they would still come with free prefit mods which is something.
Prefit is nice...
I guess I'm just thinking that I already have all the BPO militia items, so I can make my low cost fits when I have enough PG/CPU. So what would make them have value? That may just be me, and that's ok. The game is not made just for me, though I am sure I'm not the only one that may be thinking the same thing.
hmmmmm.... no new ideas yet on my end.
The Logi Code. Creator, Believer, Follower
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RedBleach LeSanglant
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.05.15 01:44:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:I am open to all feedback and criticism, but please come with a response that is accompanied by reasoning and is not anecdotal.
I find it interesting that during your argument you kept logis as an outlier group rather than applying the guideline you were establishing of HP to Speed. Even though it has been noted that the Assault and Logi numbers may change in the future why did you keep to the status quo when you were analyzing the differences?
The Logi Code. Creator, Believer, Follower
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