DUST Search - Caldari Logistics Nerf

Tebu Gan wrote:

Songs of Seraphim wrote:

Tebu Gan wrote:

Songs of Seraphim wrote:

Yep. This fix definitely did that.

I woke up, logged in, and found SEVEN of my fits be invalid. Two of which were my assaults with compact hives (which I understand why it was done), yet the other five were my Logistics ck.0.
Fitting space on it was hard enough, as I had to put a Complex CPU module on all the fits due to the fact that despite being a CPU intensive suit, it has no CPU, thus the CPU module.

Logistics -- and Commandos -- need a look at next fix.

I WILL try to work around this, but it isn't going to be easy.
Silent nerf on an already gimped suit.

Eh, I'm loving my caldari logistics suit atm. Reps for DAYS! Compact nanos, PSH. I stick with proto equipment. And I'm really loving that shield delay, yet I'm still considering stacking plates in the lows and damage mods high, and REALLY making use of all those rep hives.

Edit: I notice when I shield tank a cal logi, I'm short on CPU but have plenty of PG left over. Can I trade that PG out for CPU please so I can full on proto shield tank my proto logi.

Guess you didn't read carefully.
The compact nanos were on my Assaults.

The Logistics issue was due to the low CPU.
Coupled with fitting Repair Hives and Uplinks... That creates a low amount of PG. I actually had 5 invalid fits due to being over PG because of the CPU mods.

I don't use / need CPU mods myself. My setup now is pretty OP, though It would be nice if the logi had the CPU over the PG to fit for some great shield. ATM all I can manage is all enhanced shield mods in my highs and 3 complex regulators low and pro equipment.

As far as my assault, I never bothered with compact. I used the hives that gave me the best range and supply rate. Need mo cores!

Just sayin, I don't think that the nerf to compact hives, STD equipment, is all that destructive. I only used them on my sniper setup, just because they were low profile. While perhaps not needed I agree, I don't consider it game breaking.

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Songs of Seraphim Negative-Feedback. 798	Posted - 2015.05.12 20:22:00 - [1] - Quote Yep. This fix definitely did that. I woke up, logged in, and found SEVEN of my fits be invalid. Two of which were my assaults with compact hives (which I understand why it was done), yet the other five were my Logistics ck.0. Fitting space on it was hard enough, as I had to put a Complex CPU module on all the fits due to the fact that despite being a CPU intensive suit, it has no CPU, thus the CPU module. Logistics -- and Commandos -- need a look at next fix. I WILL try to work around this, but it isn't going to be easy. Silent nerf on an already gimped suit. Caldari Loyalist Join Caldari FW via Kirjuun Saaja
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 1251	Posted - 2015.05.12 20:38:00 - [2] - Quote Songs of Seraphim wrote: Yep. This fix definitely did that. I woke up, logged in, and found SEVEN of my fits be invalid. Two of which were my assaults with compact hives (which I understand why it was done), yet the other five were my Logistics ck.0. Fitting space on it was hard enough, as I had to put a Complex CPU module on all the fits due to the fact that despite being a CPU intensive suit, it has no CPU, thus the CPU module. Logistics -- and Commandos -- need a look at next fix. I WILL try to work around this, but it isn't going to be easy. Silent nerf on an already gimped suit. Didn't effect me as I run the specialist rifle and frees up tons of PG.CPU but still... why? The least powerful logi suit gets nerfed? Can anyone explain? !--CCP, let's push for the license of Dust on both current Gen consoles--!
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 2216	Posted - 2015.05.12 20:40:00 - [3] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: Songs of Seraphim wrote: Yep. This fix definitely did that. I woke up, logged in, and found SEVEN of my fits be invalid. Two of which were my assaults with compact hives (which I understand why it was done), yet the other five were my Logistics ck.0. Fitting space on it was hard enough, as I had to put a Complex CPU module on all the fits due to the fact that despite being a CPU intensive suit, it has no CPU, thus the CPU module. Logistics -- and Commandos -- need a look at next fix. I WILL try to work around this, but it isn't going to be easy. Silent nerf on an already gimped suit. Didn't effect me as I run the specialist rifle and frees up tons of PG.CPU but still... why? The least powerful logi suit gets nerfed? Can anyone explain? Compact nanohives were completely fine before CCP began screwing with them . "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
nelo kazuma THE LAST H0PE. RUST415 164	Posted - 2015.05.12 21:04:00 - [4] - Quote Considering cals in generally require allot of cpu and pg for our shield based modules and we only have 340 starting cpu (without bonuses) on our logis when 2 others start with 380. Why this is it like this. When we rely on shield based modules and have less survivability than other logis tends to screw us over with this cpu and pg costs of those modules makes it difficult already. Its bad enough that considering our bonus and our ability for hp stacking we should have the most cpu and pg space of the logis. Ive asked other people regarding their fits and almost none of them have to use cpu and pg modules even though they run 4 equipment. If thats the case I want 4 equipment and ill give up a low slot and get a increase to cpu to match min logis cuz this update as it stands mostly only mess with caldari. Amar and gallente have armor based modules which take up little to no cpu.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 24005	Posted - 2015.05.12 21:14:00 - [5] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Compact nanohives were completely fine before CCP began screwing with them . One of the rare times I completely agree with you. Arkena Wyrnspire aka "British Khorne" - Cross Atu Gallente Guide
Tebu Gan Capital Acquisitions LLC 1422	Posted - 2015.05.12 21:15:00 - [6] - Quote Songs of Seraphim wrote: Yep. This fix definitely did that. I woke up, logged in, and found SEVEN of my fits be invalid. Two of which were my assaults with compact hives (which I understand why it was done), yet the other five were my Logistics ck.0. Fitting space on it was hard enough, as I had to put a Complex CPU module on all the fits due to the fact that despite being a CPU intensive suit, it has no CPU, thus the CPU module. Logistics -- and Commandos -- need a look at next fix. I WILL try to work around this, but it isn't going to be easy. Silent nerf on an already gimped suit. Was it just compact. Cause I'm cool with that, I didn't run those on my cal logi anyways. The STD ones right. Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Vesta Opalus Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 700	Posted - 2015.05.12 21:17:00 - [7] - Quote Songs of Seraphim wrote: Yep. This fix definitely did that. I woke up, logged in, and found SEVEN of my fits be invalid. Two of which were my assaults with compact hives (which I understand why it was done), yet the other five were my Logistics ck.0. Fitting space on it was hard enough, as I had to put a Complex CPU module on all the fits due to the fact that despite being a CPU intensive suit, it has no CPU, thus the CPU module. Logistics -- and Commandos -- need a look at next fix. I WILL try to work around this, but it isn't going to be easy. Silent nerf on an already gimped suit. What changed?
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deo volente2 SVER True Blood RUST415 2	Posted - 2015.05.12 21:37:00 - [9] - Quote i'll tell you why ccp done this, (a) because someone at sometime got killed by a cal logi in their assault suit, and complained about it to their friend who has a connection with the game, (b) cause they can. i mean how can you even start to justify yet another 'nerf' on the most nerfed suit in new eden, shows just how idiotic the people are who come up with these so called 'updates', which seems to have broken EU server, but thats another topic,, i know lets make a shield based logi suit, then make it easy to use as a slayer, but impossible to fit as a logi suit without sacrificing a low slot with a cpu extender, STERLING thinking as usual ccp, cause before this there was a real problem with all these cal logis running around (sarcasm), as usual instead of fixxing ANYTHING they broke the game a little more, i think the developers of this game have missed their true calling, they should be politicians too busy playing
I-Shayz-I I----------I 5591	Posted - 2015.05.12 22:08:00 - [10] - Quote Omg Stop complaining and support changes to logistics progression as a whole: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=200663 7162 wp with a Repair Tool!
PLAYSTTION Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 1379	Posted - 2015.05.12 22:14:00 - [11] - Quote Songs of Seraphim wrote: Yep. This fix definitely did that. I woke up, logged in, and found SEVEN of my fits be invalid. Two of which were my assaults with compact hives (which I understand why it was done), yet the other five were my Logistics ck.0. Fitting space on it was hard enough, as I had to put a Complex CPU module on all the fits due to the fact that despite being a CPU intensive suit, it has no CPU, thus the CPU module. Logistics -- and Commandos -- need a look at next fix. I WILL try to work around this, but it isn't going to be easy. Silent nerf on an already gimped suit. When I used it I had to run a PG and CPU upgrade just to get 800hp and all proto equipment! It sucked then and this makes it worse! I respeced to Gal logi and can fit 4 proto equipments, proto gun, proto low slots and advanced highs. Gassault Galogi Galsent `Open Beta Vet - 43 mil sp Director of Corrosive Synergy`
Moochie Cricket Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 1201	Posted - 2015.05.12 23:06:00 - [12] - Quote Can confirm that I had to change all of my mediocre CalLogi fits to even worse configurations. FOR THE STATE
Vesta Opalus Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 702	Posted - 2015.05.13 00:20:00 - [13] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: What changed? What changed?
Songs of Seraphim Negative-Feedback. 806	Posted - 2015.05.13 00:32:00 - [14] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: What changed? What changed? CPU Upgrades having a PG penalty when there isn't enough CPU on the Caldari Logistics ck.0 to begin with. 350 base CPU isn't enough on a shield-based suit. Caldari Loyalist Join Caldari FW via Kirjuun Saaja
Pocket Rocket Girl Psygod9 393	Posted - 2015.05.13 00:39:00 - [15] - Quote the only suit that i use the cpu upgrade on is the cal logi i never have to use it on any other suit soooo nerf all of the other suits then? Moo? . . . Le Moo?
Thokk Nightshade Montana Militia 826	Posted - 2015.05.13 00:43:00 - [16] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Omg Stop complaining and support changes to logistics progression as a whole: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=200663 I agree with what you are saying but this is pointing out a specific result of the recent change CCP implemented with CPU Enhancers. Logis as a whole need an overhaul but this specific issue is making things for the Cal Logi even worse. Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
Thokk Nightshade Montana Militia 826	Posted - 2015.05.13 00:44:00 - [17] - Quote I haven't played since the CPU/PG changes went through. I dont' even want to think about how many suits I'm going to have to go in and overhaul to make them work. More standard and advanced mods going on, even more proto mods coming off. Who else loves having a Proto suit you can't put anything Proto on? Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
Songs of Seraphim Negative-Feedback. 807	Posted - 2015.05.13 01:23:00 - [18] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: Songs of Seraphim wrote: Yep. This fix definitely did that. I woke up, logged in, and found SEVEN of my fits be invalid. Two of which were my assaults with compact hives (which I understand why it was done), yet the other five were my Logistics ck.0. Fitting space on it was hard enough, as I had to put a Complex CPU module on all the fits due to the fact that despite being a CPU intensive suit, it has no CPU, thus the CPU module. Logistics -- and Commandos -- need a look at next fix. I WILL try to work around this, but it isn't going to be easy. Silent nerf on an already gimped suit. Didn't effect me as I run the specialist rifle and frees up tons of PG.CPU but still... why? The least powerful logi suit gets nerfed? Can anyone explain? I use it on one but it is still affected. http://imgur.com/0CLkJVA Here is a picture of my issues. Can't really put a hyperlink on my phone at the moment. Caldari Loyalist Join Caldari FW via Kirjuun Saaja
Songs of Seraphim Negative-Feedback. 807	Posted - 2015.05.13 01:26:00 - [19] - Quote Thokk Nightshade wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: Omg Stop complaining and support changes to logistics progression as a whole: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=200663 I agree with what you are saying but this is pointing out a specific result of the recent change CCP implemented with CPU Enhancers. Logis as a whole need an overhaul but this specific issue is making things for the Cal Logi even worse. Thank you. I'm on my phone at work so I couldn't elaborate completely. Caldari Loyalist Join Caldari FW via Kirjuun Saaja
Songs of Seraphim Negative-Feedback. 807	Posted - 2015.05.13 01:28:00 - [20] - Quote Pocket Rocket Girl wrote: the only suit that i use the cpu upgrade on is the cal logi i never have to use it on any other suit soooo nerf all of the other suits then? No. Not what I was saying. The suit needs review. As logistics as a whole. And commandos. Caldari Loyalist Join Caldari FW via Kirjuun Saaja
Fluffy Exterminatus Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 33	Posted - 2015.05.13 02:14:00 - [21] - Quote didnt the assault cko drop 8-10pg down to 80 as well? Im pretty sure they stole armour from the cal senti and commando at 1.1 as well. Its like the devs think shields are better then armour. the differnce in hp stats could be fine if there was no rep tool or hives but there is so its bullshit. Since i started running 2 rep amarr sentinel i dont use the cal because shields stats suck tanking and regen. The Gaylante Agenda is ruining the game CCP Rattati - Grand Dragon Wizard of the Gaylante Agenda Blood flows. Death comes. War rages
Songs of Seraphim Negative-Feedback. 807	Posted - 2015.05.13 02:41:00 - [22] - Quote Fluffy Exterminatus wrote: didnt the assault cko drop 8-10pg down to 80 as well? Im pretty sure they stole armour from the cal senti and commando at 1.1 as well. Its like the devs think shields are better then armour. the differnce in hp stats could be fine if there was no rep tool or hives but there is so its bullshit. Since i started running 2 rep amarr sentinel i dont use the cal because shields stats suck tanking and regen. The Gaylante Agenda is ruining the game The Caldari Commando needs at least two complex regulators to be decent (not effective), but only has 1 low slot. And the Sentinel is.... Meh. You have to sacrifice tank for regen and there is simply better sentinels. And I think they do as well. Most people who use shield suits stack the **** out of it with armor, which makes me -.- Caldari Loyalist Join Caldari FW via Kirjuun Saaja
Tebu Gan Capital Acquisitions LLC 1425	Posted - 2015.05.13 02:53:00 - [23] - Quote Songs of Seraphim wrote: Yep. This fix definitely did that. I woke up, logged in, and found SEVEN of my fits be invalid. Two of which were my assaults with compact hives (which I understand why it was done), yet the other five were my Logistics ck.0. Fitting space on it was hard enough, as I had to put a Complex CPU module on all the fits due to the fact that despite being a CPU intensive suit, it has no CPU, thus the CPU module. Logistics -- and Commandos -- need a look at next fix. I WILL try to work around this, but it isn't going to be easy. Silent nerf on an already gimped suit. Eh, I'm loving my caldari logistics suit atm. Reps for DAYS! Compact nanos, PSH. I stick with proto equipment. And I'm really loving that shield delay, yet I'm still considering stacking plates in the lows and damage mods high, and REALLY making use of all those rep hives. Edit: I notice when I shield tank a cal logi, I'm short on CPU but have plenty of PG left over. Can I trade that PG out for CPU please so I can full on proto shield tank my proto logi. Tanks - Balancing Turrets
nelo kazuma THE LAST H0PE. RUST415 169	Posted - 2015.05.13 03:05:00 - [24] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: What changed? What changed? With cpu modules costing pg and pg costing cpu the caldari who rely on those modules because no other class requires them to fit proto equipment. Amar and gallente rely on armor modules which take up little to no cpu and they start off with decent hp cuz armor obviously wayyyy more resistant than shield. Min has 4 equipment n decent starting hp both sides plus 380 cpu and 80 I think so with bonus percentage not allot of trouble fitting things.
Songs of Seraphim Negative-Feedback. 807	Posted - 2015.05.13 03:16:00 - [25] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: Songs of Seraphim wrote: Yep. This fix definitely did that. I woke up, logged in, and found SEVEN of my fits be invalid. Two of which were my assaults with compact hives (which I understand why it was done), yet the other five were my Logistics ck.0. Fitting space on it was hard enough, as I had to put a Complex CPU module on all the fits due to the fact that despite being a CPU intensive suit, it has no CPU, thus the CPU module. Logistics -- and Commandos -- need a look at next fix. I WILL try to work around this, but it isn't going to be easy. Silent nerf on an already gimped suit. Eh, I'm loving my caldari logistics suit atm. Reps for DAYS! Compact nanos, PSH. I stick with proto equipment. And I'm really loving that shield delay, yet I'm still considering stacking plates in the lows and damage mods high, and REALLY making use of all those rep hives. Edit: I notice when I shield tank a cal logi, I'm short on CPU but have plenty of PG left over. Can I trade that PG out for CPU please so I can full on proto shield tank my proto logi. Guess you didn't read carefully. The compact nanos were on my Assaults. The Logistics issue was due to the low CPU. Coupled with fitting Repair Hives and Uplinks... That creates a low amount of PG. I actually had 5 invalid fits due to being over PG because of the CPU mods. Caldari Loyalist Join Caldari FW via Kirjuun Saaja
Tebu Gan Capital Acquisitions LLC 1425	Posted - 2015.05.13 03:23:00 - [26] - Quote Songs of Seraphim wrote: Tebu Gan wrote: Songs of Seraphim wrote: Yep. This fix definitely did that. I woke up, logged in, and found SEVEN of my fits be invalid. Two of which were my assaults with compact hives (which I understand why it was done), yet the other five were my Logistics ck.0. Fitting space on it was hard enough, as I had to put a Complex CPU module on all the fits due to the fact that despite being a CPU intensive suit, it has no CPU, thus the CPU module. Logistics -- and Commandos -- need a look at next fix. I WILL try to work around this, but it isn't going to be easy. Silent nerf on an already gimped suit. Eh, I'm loving my caldari logistics suit atm. Reps for DAYS! Compact nanos, PSH. I stick with proto equipment. And I'm really loving that shield delay, yet I'm still considering stacking plates in the lows and damage mods high, and REALLY making use of all those rep hives. Edit: I notice when I shield tank a cal logi, I'm short on CPU but have plenty of PG left over. Can I trade that PG out for CPU please so I can full on proto shield tank my proto logi. Guess you didn't read carefully. The compact nanos were on my Assaults. The Logistics issue was due to the low CPU. Coupled with fitting Repair Hives and Uplinks... That creates a low amount of PG. I actually had 5 invalid fits due to being over PG because of the CPU mods. I don't use / need CPU mods myself. My setup now is pretty OP, though It would be nice if the logi had the CPU over the PG to fit for some great shield. ATM all I can manage is all enhanced shield mods in my highs and 3 complex regulators low and pro equipment. As far as my assault, I never bothered with compact. I used the hives that gave me the best range and supply rate. Need mo cores! Just sayin, I don't think that the nerf to compact hives, STD equipment, is all that destructive. I only used them on my sniper setup, just because they were low profile. While perhaps not needed I agree, I don't consider it game breaking. Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Songs of Seraphim Negative-Feedback. 807	Posted - 2015.05.13 03:29:00 - [27] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: Songs of Seraphim wrote: Tebu Gan wrote: Songs of Seraphim wrote: Yep. This fix definitely did that. I woke up, logged in, and found SEVEN of my fits be invalid. Two of which were my assaults with compact hives (which I understand why it was done), yet the other five were my Logistics ck.0. Fitting space on it was hard enough, as I had to put a Complex CPU module on all the fits due to the fact that despite being a CPU intensive suit, it has no CPU, thus the CPU module. Logistics -- and Commandos -- need a look at next fix. I WILL try to work around this, but it isn't going to be easy. Silent nerf on an already gimped suit. Eh, I'm loving my caldari logistics suit atm. Reps for DAYS! Compact nanos, PSH. I stick with proto equipment. And I'm really loving that shield delay, yet I'm still considering stacking plates in the lows and damage mods high, and REALLY making use of all those rep hives. Edit: I notice when I shield tank a cal logi, I'm short on CPU but have plenty of PG left over. Can I trade that PG out for CPU please so I can full on proto shield tank my proto logi. Guess you didn't read carefully. The compact nanos were on my Assaults. The Logistics issue was due to the low CPU. Coupled with fitting Repair Hives and Uplinks... That creates a low amount of PG. I actually had 5 invalid fits due to being over PG because of the CPU mods. I don't use / need CPU mods myself. My setup now is pretty OP, though It would be nice if the logi had the CPU over the PG to fit for some great shield. ATM all I can manage is all enhanced shield mods in my highs and 3 complex regulators low and pro equipment. As far as my assault, I never bothered with compact. I used the hives that gave me the best range and supply rate. Need mo cores! Just sayin, I don't think that the nerf to compact hives, STD equipment, is all that destructive. I only used them on my sniper setup, just because they were low profile. While perhaps not needed I agree, I don't consider it game breaking. Teb... You missed the point of the thread. I can live without compacts on my assault. Even though that's all I could fit, I can do without. The point of this was the CPU on the Caldari Logi ck.0. The fact that, to be viable, you need a CPU mod to shield tank. Caldari Loyalist Join Caldari FW via Kirjuun Saaja
Pocket Rocket Girl Psygod9 395	Posted - 2015.05.13 04:06:00 - [28] - Quote Songs of Seraphim wrote: Pocket Rocket Girl wrote: the only suit that i use the cpu upgrade on is the cal logi i never have to use it on any other suit soooo nerf all of the other suits then? No. Not what I was saying. The suit needs review. As logistics as a whole. And commandos. So nerf the other suits then got it! lol i know what ya mean Moo? . . . Le Moo?
Tebu Gan Capital Acquisitions LLC 1425	Posted - 2015.05.13 04:18:00 - [29] - Quote Songs of Seraphim wrote: Teb... You missed the point of the thread. I can live without compacts on my assault. Even though that's all I could fit, I can do without. The point of this was the CPU on the Caldari Logi ck.0. The fact that, to be viable, you need a CPU mod to shield tank. No, I hear you there. I'm about 30 PG from being full yet full on CPU with a shield fit logi. Pro suit of course. Like I said, would very much like to see that PG traded out for more CPU so that I can fully fit a proto shield suit. Maybe even trade one of those low slots out for it. Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Songs of Seraphim Negative-Feedback. 820	Posted - 2015.05.13 05:59:00 - [30] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: Songs of Seraphim wrote: Teb... You missed the point of the thread. I can live without compacts on my assault. Even though that's all I could fit, I can do without. The point of this was the CPU on the Caldari Logi ck.0. The fact that, to be viable, you need a CPU mod to shield tank. No, I hear you there. I'm about 30 PG from being full yet full on CPU with a shield fit logi. Pro suit of course. Like I said, would very much like to see that PG traded out for more CPU so that I can fully fit a proto shield suit. Maybe even trade one of those low slots out for it. I'd rather get a 4th equipment in exchange for that 4th low slot. It's still PG intensive due to shield extenders and rep hives. And even with my Rail Rifle PG reduction at 5 (yeah, ton of SP) it's difficult to make viable fits. I made one with 3 regulators and 2 rechargers, but it's pretty frail. One flux and I'm gone. Lol Caldari Loyalist Join Caldari FW via Kirjuun Saaja

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