DUST Search - Why do people say MinAssaults are OP?

FLAY LOCKED wrote:

From what I have seen, an optimized mk.0 player with skill and a CR will most times lose to an optimizd ak.0 player with equal skill and an AScR/ScR. This usually pertains to engagements at all ranges.

Now, if we take the same mk.0 player and put him against an equally skilled gk.0 player with a Breach AR and let them fight it out within 10-15m of each other, the end results could go either way, but I'd favor the gk.0 in this instance as the Breach AR hits so damn hard.

As for engagements at 60m+, a ck.0 user with an ARR will make quick work of any mk.0 user.

Many times, players will state that the MinAssault benefits from broken strafe speeds and weird hitboxes, giving them an advantage over all other suits in game, but I'd like to disagree. I feel that the "overuse" of the MinAssault is garnering it some unwarranted hate as players try to project false claims of OPness onto it.

This problem has occured in the past with CalScouts, yet, nothing was ever proven to show that they were superior to the other Scout racial variants in terms of strafe speeds and hitboxes.

I'm not a MinAssault user, so I can't relate any experiences of my own regarding the way it handles. I can, however, relate my experiences as aspectator and from what I've seen, there is nothing special about them. They're just like any other suit. The only notable difference is that they're quite popular and a good majority of players use them.

I am a minotaur.

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DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 1046	Posted - 2015.05.12 03:11:00 - [31] - Quote FLAY LOCKED wrote: SirDukey, how is that relevant? My GalAssault can be equipped for speed, can dual tank, can rep/armor tank, can damage mod tank, etc. You wont know what I have on till you fight me. The same applies to the other Assaults as well. Did you know that some ballsy CalAssaults actually dual tank their fits with 400+ armor or that sometimes they barely have shields and go for glass cannon fits? The diversity in fits exist, yet most people believe they are limited to cookie-cutter setups. Golden, where is your proof? i saw a gal assault speed fit with a cloak and stamina mods. dude was a *** to catch. he couldnt fight for ** though lol
ReGnYuM Carne Con Papas 3709	Posted - 2015.05.12 03:27:00 - [32] - Quote I rock a Mk.0 Assault because its really the only Assault suit that can effectively run three complex dampeners on, and still maintain enough tank to 1v1 most suits. I like to add that whole active scan to dampening relationship needs to be looked at.
Golden Day Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 1713	Posted - 2015.05.12 03:29:00 - [33] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: I rock a Mk.0 Assault because its really the only Assault suit that can effectively run three complex dampeners on, and still maintain enough tank to 1v1 most suits. I like to add that whole active scan to dampening relationship needs to be looked at. ^ this is what I mean (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
Magnus Amadeuss Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1220	Posted - 2015.05.12 03:29:00 - [34] - Quote I would say that: faster than amarr scout DOUBLE the stamina regen of the rest of the assaults balanced slot layout faster hacks (they still get +5% for no reason right?) 2nd highest stamina pool great bonus in exchange for 30 hp is basically your reasons. basically you can fit it however you want, barely ever run out of stamina, and have an insane clip size is the general reasons. If it had one more equipment slot it would fully displace the amarr scout (lol combat scout)... EWAR tool
Dead Cavino Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 72	Posted - 2015.05.12 05:35:00 - [35] - Quote I don't understand this whole broken hitbox thing. My min assault takes damage from EVERYTHING and EVERYWHERE all the time. Not to mention my dual tanked fits still have less EHP and less regen of other assaults. It may be the most versatile assault, but the other assaults are quite versatile as well. I've seen Gall Assaults faster than me. I've seen dual tanked Cal Assaults with more EHP and better regen. And well, the Amar Assault just kills min my assaults with what seems like very little ease. And then we got the damage mods... Sacrificing what little shields/regen we already got in order to compete in this high damage meta we're in simply sucks. And don't get me started on CPU/PG.... If ya can dodge wrench, than maybe min assault is for you... I don't like two-legged things.
Vesperz D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 212	Posted - 2015.05.12 05:44:00 - [36] - Quote Yooo, I don't understand this MINass is OP **** either, I get wrecked by everything it seems like. SCRs, ASCRs, Assault Rifles, Bolt Pistols, RR's. Never have any problems with other Minassaults, mostly Amarr and Gallente that tear me up. Caldari is a hit or miss. "Live by honor, kill by stealth." Gal Scout since 1.0, Min Scout since 1.1
Summa Militum TotalAscendancy 433	Posted - 2015.05.12 05:53:00 - [37] - Quote FLAY LOCKED wrote: From what I have seen, an optimized mk.0 player with skill and a CR will most times lose to an optimizd ak.0 player with equal skill and an AScR/ScR. This usually pertains to engagements at all ranges. Now, if we take the same mk.0 player and put him against an equally skilled gk.0 player with a Breach AR and let them fight it out within 10-15m of each other, the end results could go either way, but I'd favor the gk.0 in this instance as the Breach AR hits so damn hard. As for engagements at 60m+, a ck.0 user with an ARR will make quick work of any mk.0 user. Many times, players will state that the MinAssault benefits from broken strafe speeds and weird hitboxes, giving them an advantage over all other suits in game, but I'd like to disagree. I feel that the "overuse" of the MinAssault is garnering it some unwarranted hate as players try to project false claims of OPness onto it. This problem has occured in the past with CalScouts, yet, nothing was ever proven to show that they were superior to the other Scout racial variants in terms of strafe speeds and hitboxes. I'm not a MinAssault user, so I can't relate any experiences of my own regarding the way it handles. I can, however, relate my experiences as aspectator and from what I've seen, there is nothing special about them. They're just like any other suit. The only notable difference is that they're quite popular and a good majority of players use them. My problem with the hit-detection for the MinAssault is when they are running away from me. I can get into a 1v1 battle with a MinAssault in which I am completely outdoing them with the gun-game just to have them turn around, run some weird zigzag pattern away to safety, and somehow not have a single bullet I fire into their back affect them.
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 16618	Posted - 2015.05.12 05:54:00 - [38] - Quote It's a combination of multiple things. Extreme versatility, speed, stamina, arguably best bonus, small but noticeable free hacking bonus. Minmatar Assaults have many things that make them good, you can't look at one aspect and say that's the reason. "Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - *Cat wisdom*
Magewarlord KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 80	Posted - 2015.05.12 06:03:00 - [39] - Quote CoochMaster Flex wrote: FLAY LOCKED wrote: OPness LOL ;) interesting quote cooch. haven't seen those guys in a while.
Vesperz D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 212	Posted - 2015.05.12 06:04:00 - [40] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: My problem with the hit-detection for the MinAssault is when they are running away from me. I can get into a 1v1 battle with a MinAssault in which I am completely outdoing them with the gun-game just to have them turn around, run some weird zigzag pattern away to safety, and somehow not have a single bullet I fire into their back affect them. ... Maybe because they're running in a zig zag pattern is to why you can't hit them? Most people don't aim to where I'm going, just where I'm at, so when they fire I'm zipping to the left, they fire again, I'm zagging to the right. I do this when I'm out matched and scrape away some HP to get some structures between us before I re-engage or pick someone else to fight. I get knicked by bullets still while running away mind you. I've died some times too. "Live by honor, kill by stealth." Gal Scout since 1.0, Min Scout since 1.1

Dead Cavino Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 74	Posted - 2015.05.12 06:30:00 - [41] - Quote Vesperz wrote: Summa Militum wrote: My problem with the hit-detection for the MinAssault is when they are running away from me. I can get into a 1v1 battle with a MinAssault in which I am completely outdoing them with the gun-game just to have them turn around, run some weird zigzag pattern away to safety, and somehow not have a single bullet I fire into their back affect them. ... Maybe because they're running in a zig zag pattern is to why you can't hit them? Most people don't aim to where I'm going, just where I'm at, so when they fire I'm zipping to the left, they fire again, I'm zagging to the right. I do this when I'm out matched and scrape away some HP to get some structures between us before I re-engage or pick someone else to fight. I get knicked by bullets still while running away mind you. I've died some times too. I find myself screaming EVASIVE MANEUVERS EVASIVE MANEUVERS all the time. Min Assault is a hit and run suit, so it can't brawl with the best of em. And it can't fight at longer ranges(although mass driver vs laser rifle 1v1s are quite epic). Basically, ya gotta get in, hit hard, and run away once your duct tape starts to peel off, which seems to be a popular tactic these days. Kinda like a run and gun kinda gameplay rather than the stand and deliver gameplay. I don't like two-legged things.
Denchlad 7 Dead Man's Game RUST415 2282	Posted - 2015.05.12 06:33:00 - [42] - Quote You've obviously never run into an Assault mk.0 with a shotgun. No suit should have 800eHP with good reps, good speed, good versatility and near invincibility. I run a speed fit with 650eHP and with that I destroy most players. The problem is, besides the ak.0s ScR bonus, theres no real benefit to using any other suits. Want good shields? Use a Caldari or Minmatar Assault. Want good armor? Use an Amarr or Minmatar Assault. Want good armor reps? Use a Gallente or Minmatar Assault. Want good speed? Use the Minmatar Assault. 3 things its good at plus one thing its great at makes it overperform. Hence why everyone uses it. It is literally a high eHP Scout. Choo choo chooooo, lets all fck a blender. Dench's Thrift Shop* <-- WIP
Dead Cavino Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 74	Posted - 2015.05.12 06:50:00 - [43] - Quote Denchlad 7 wrote: You've obviously never run into an Assault mk.0 with a shotgun. No suit should have 800eHP with good reps, good speed, good versatility and near invincibility. I run a speed fit with 650eHP and with that I destroy most players. The problem is, besides the ak.0s ScR bonus, theres no real benefit to using any other suits. Want good shields? Use a Caldari or Minmatar Assault. Want good armor? Use an Amarr or Minmatar Assault. Want good armor reps? Use a Gallente or Minmatar Assault. Want good speed? Use the Minmatar Assault. 3 things its good at plus one thing its great at makes it overperform. Hence why everyone uses it. It is literally a high eHP Scout. Minmatar Assault has "good shields, good armor, and good armor reps?" I'd say mediocre, not to mention ya cant have all these things at the same time. And even if you focus on one of these things, the other assaults simply do it better, sans the speed. And if ya wanna have the E-war of a scout, well, non of these things are possible. I don't like two-legged things.
Vesperz D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 213	Posted - 2015.05.12 06:58:00 - [44] - Quote Denchlad 7 wrote: You've obviously never run into an Assault mk.0 with a shotgun. No suit should have 800eHP with good reps, good speed, good versatility and near invincibility. I run a speed fit with 650eHP and with that I destroy most players. The problem is, besides the ak.0s ScR bonus, theres no real benefit to using any other suits. Want good shields? Use a Caldari or Minmatar Assault. Want good armor? Use an Amarr or Minmatar Assault. Want good armor reps? Use a Gallente or Minmatar Assault. Want good speed? Use the Minmatar Assault. 3 things its good at plus one thing its great at makes it overperform. Hence why everyone uses it. It is literally a high eHP Scout. I think you're over-exaggerating on the 800HP part. To use the shotgun on a armor stacked assault is dumb, you need speed, you'd have to sacrifice two or maybe three slots for kinkats, two will put you at 9.73 meters a second, that's pretty good considering. Three would put you at 10.43. You can't stack four complx shield extenders though, the most amount of shield HP you could get is around the 400 range. One flux grenade, a few well placed scrambler rifle shots and you're toast. 800HP? Sucka I've seen assaults from the GAL to the Amarr reach well beyond that on just armor alone. "Live by honor, kill by stealth." Gal Scout since 1.0, Min Scout since 1.1
Vicious Minotaur 2331	Posted - 2015.05.12 07:13:00 - [45] - Quote Because cancer wiggle-strafing. I have never played any FPS where such puny wiggle-wiggle "strafing" was a valid damage-mitigation tactic. note: Affects more than just the Minmatar Assault. I am a minotaur. a+üa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa+üa¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça+üa+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+üa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa+üa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ë
Georgia Xavier Y.A.M.A.H 428	Posted - 2015.05.12 08:28:00 - [46] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: Because cancer wiggle-strafing. I have never played any FPS where such puny wiggle-wiggle "strafing" was a valid damage-mitigation tactic. note: Affects more than just the Minmatar Assault. I think it affects all kinds of shooters with wonky physics. CoD had Dropshots BF2 had dolphin diving (this was the worst) And Dust has the strafy Dance Dance revolution tactic. Click me
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 4646	Posted - 2015.05.12 08:31:00 - [47] - Quote When assault and logi speed will be swapped things will be fine. Shaman's Shack - A place to trade Training to be a packed RE master launcher
dzizur Nos Nothi 290	Posted - 2015.05.12 08:55:00 - [48] - Quote Georgia Xavier wrote: Golden Day wrote: My proof??? Are you serious??? Have you never touched a public match before??? It can dual tank and still be fast and dangerous Best strafe in game you miss all of your shots (You will problay hit his shields alittle bit) they can also strafe through hmg bullets YOU CAN run it like a shotgun scout FFS you act like you never seen one do this stuff I imagined you flipping a table and shouting this, I giggled LMAO! people at the office are looking at me strange though.. ;D
WeapondigitX V7 The Exemplars 387	Posted - 2015.05.12 08:58:00 - [49] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: 2x complex extenders 2x complex damage mods 2x complex ferro plates 1x Rep mods 1x Complex shield regulator 400ish shields with 400ish armor no speed penalties, it has a fast stamina regain along side with also being faster than a scout. Its basically a scout with a bunch of HP. That is not faster than a minmatar scout. Just like the amarr scout is faster than its assault variant. etc.
WeapondigitX V7 The Exemplars 387	Posted - 2015.05.12 09:13:00 - [50] - Quote Vesperz wrote: Denchlad 7 wrote: You've obviously never run into an Assault mk.0 with a shotgun. No suit should have 800eHP with good reps, good speed, good versatility and near invincibility. I run a speed fit with 650eHP and with that I destroy most players. The problem is, besides the ak.0s ScR bonus, theres no real benefit to using any other suits. Want good shields? Use a Caldari or Minmatar Assault. Want good armor? Use an Amarr or Minmatar Assault. Want good armor reps? Use a Gallente or Minmatar Assault. Want good speed? Use the Minmatar Assault. 3 things its good at plus one thing its great at makes it overperform. Hence why everyone uses it. It is literally a high eHP Scout. I think you're over-exaggerating on the 800HP part. 800HP? Sucka I've seen assaults from the GAL to the Amarr reach well beyond that on just armor alone. That shotgun fit can be mostly mimicked by the all races. \ Currently, ako: 2-3 speed mods (3 speed mods and 2 PRO plates gives 8.98 sprint speed) 1-3 complex armor mods 1 compact nanohive or 1 adv rep hive (20-50 armor regen between fights) 1-3 shield extenders (3 x 72 = 218 hp) PRO shotgun 180 + 218 max shields and (394 + 2 plates = 691 armor) You might have 1 PG mod which helps you fit all those PG heavy mods. gko: 2-3 speed mods 1-2 complex armor plates 1-3 shield extenders PRO shotgun REP hive Do the math or make fittings and you will find that they mimic each other pretty well. There will be differences that give each suit a different flavor of the same fitting style. Making each one better at longer or shorter ranges but with more or less hp and other strengths.

Diablo Gamekeeper Escrow Removal and Acquisition No Context 225	Posted - 2015.05.12 10:20:00 - [51] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: 2x complex extenders 2x complex damage mods 2x complex ferro plates 1x Rep mods 1x Complex shield regulator 400ish shields with 400ish armor no speed penalties, it has a fast stamina regain along side with also being faster than a scout. Its basically a scout with a bunch of HP. Which scout? It will be over soon, and when the Dust settles, no one will be left playing.
Georgia Xavier Y.A.M.A.H 430	Posted - 2015.05.12 10:36:00 - [52] - Quote Diablo Gamekeeper wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: 2x complex extenders 2x complex damage mods 2x complex ferro plates 1x Rep mods 1x Complex shield regulator 400ish shields with 400ish armor no speed penalties, it has a fast stamina regain along side with also being faster than a scout. Its basically a scout with a bunch of HP. Which scout? Amarr scout Click me
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 6354	Posted - 2015.05.12 11:41:00 - [53] - Quote WeapondigitX V7 wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: 2x complex extenders 2x complex damage mods 2x complex ferro plates 1x Rep mods 1x Complex shield regulator 400ish shields with 400ish armor no speed penalties, it has a fast stamina regain along side with also being faster than a scout. Its basically a scout with a bunch of HP. That is not faster than a minmatar scout. Just like the amarr scout is faster than its assault variant. etc. Its faster than the Amarr scout. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 3461	Posted - 2015.05.12 11:53:00 - [54] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: WeapondigitX V7 wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: 2x complex extenders 2x complex damage mods 2x complex ferro plates 1x Rep mods 1x Complex shield regulator 400ish shields with 400ish armor no speed penalties, it has a fast stamina regain along side with also being faster than a scout. Its basically a scout with a bunch of HP. That is not faster than a minmatar scout. Just like the amarr scout is faster than its assault variant. etc. Its faster than the Amarr scout. I still love the fact that the Amarr Scout has a "bonus" that, in order to be effective, requires huge stretches of open running with no-one else caring about where the Amarr Scout is running. Marathon 514. .emag nug ym tpecxe gnihtyreve sexif gnikamhctam RDK
Vesta Opalus Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 698	Posted - 2015.05.12 17:13:00 - [55] - Quote Min assault is slightly OP, not because of fitting versatility (which makes it nice to have for pubs) or it being good to combine with ACRs or any bullshit complaints about its hitbox being broken, its slightly OP because its stamina regen is a whopping 2.5x that of gallente and caldari equivalents, and like 60% higher than Amarr (might be slightly off on that one). This gives it a massive mobility advantage even if it doesnt equip a single kincat. In my opinion the stamina gain on all Min suits needs to be nerfed to around what the Amarr equivalents have. Of course, Amarr assault + scrambler is even more OP, so its first in line on my **** list.
Boot Booter Titans of Phoenix RUST415 1306	Posted - 2015.05.12 17:24:00 - [56] - Quote Golden Day wrote: Georgia Xavier wrote: Golden Day wrote: Boot Booter wrote: JIMvc2 wrote: I freaking agree. Why does MInmatar Get speed bonus and stamina while the other 3 ***** FACTIONS ALL WE GET IS !!! Its like if Minmatar is SVER while Caldari is Raven and Amarr like Valor. For assaults... -_- let me break it down for you idiots Amarr has highest hp and stamina, lowest speed (best bonus) Caldari and galentte have medium hp and speed, lowest stamina, but overall highest regeneration (shield and armor rep) Minmatar have lowest hp, high stamina regeneration, highest apeed I've played with all the assaults at proto. They are all very balanced. lol balanced sure..... Well he played all assaults at PRO so he may be on to something I belive him but I do not belive that all assaults are balanced..... They are definitely all balanced. The only thing that is not balanced is Shields vs armor. If Shields were buffed people would realise how beast Caldari assaults are. You can get over 600 Shields that recharges in just over 10 seconds. Don't even get me started on how good the reload bonus is in the hands of the capable. Gal assaults combine good armor and speed with amazing reps, it's not my fault 90% of players fit them like idiots (stacking armor plates smh). Amarr assault has an amazing bonus to an incredibly leathal weapon (even in the current armor meta the scr melts face) and can get huge amounts of hp for a medium. It's not just me though, look at the top slayers in the game and you'll see a mix of every race at assault. **, kaz sniper uses Caldari and that's considered to be the weakest assault. Minmatar may indeed be more popular because of their sweet looks and versatility, this does not mean the suit is OP.
Vesta Opalus Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 698	Posted - 2015.05.12 17:32:00 - [57] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: They are definitely all balanced. The only thing that is not balanced is Shields vs armor. If Shields were buffed people would realise how beast Caldari assaults are. You can get over 600 Shields that recharges in just over 10 seconds. Don't even get me started on how good the reload bonus is in the hands of the capable. Gal assaults combine good armor and speed with amazing reps, it's not my fault 90% of players fit them like idiots (stacking armor plates smh). Amarr assault has an amazing bonus to an incredibly leathal weapon (even in the current armor meta the scr melts face) and can get huge amounts of hp for a medium. It's not just me though, look at the top slayers in the game and you'll see a mix of every race at assault. ****, kaz sniper uses Caldari and that's considered to be the weakest assault. Minmatar may indeed be more popular because of their sweet looks and versatility, this does not mean the suit is OP. They are close, but lets not pretend its perfect. The Gallente suit is completely overshadowed by the Amarr suit due to the Amarr suits superior health and weapon bonus, and the Caldari assault suffers pretty badly from the armor meta and from scrambler dominance. Amarr and Min are clearly better suits, for all sorts of reasons, from stamina regen, to weapon bonuses, to having fittings that are dominant in meaningful ways over the Cal/Gal suits (superior HP or speed or damage output, as opposed to marginal regen superiority).
Genral69 death Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 250	Posted - 2015.05.12 18:24:00 - [58] - Quote Golden Day wrote: Why use a Caldari Assault??? You could get a minmatar assault and do pretty much everything a caldari assault does BUT better and faster!! Try a cal assault with kinkats and cardiacts. You get more shield and confuse the crap out of everyone General limited: warming failure to pay, may lead to death,massive amount of pain or even lose of family. Since 1995
Vesta Opalus Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 698	Posted - 2015.05.12 18:26:00 - [59] - Quote Genral69 death wrote: Golden Day wrote: Why use a Caldari Assault??? You could get a minmatar assault and do pretty much everything a caldari assault does BUT better and faster!! Try a cal assault with kinkats and cardiacts. You get more shield and confuse the crap out of everyone Except with the min assault you dont need a cardiac, and you have more space to fit regulators, more kincats, or a dampener (if you are speed tanking for a shotgun, for example) Sure the Cal might confuse people, but only because its straight up dumb to fit them like that unless you dont have access to min assault.


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