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matthew swager SMARTCREW Smart Deploy 16	Posted - 2015.05.11 16:58:00 - [1] - Quote can we lower the cool down time from an over heat or do away with the damage from the overheat I KILL YOU!!!!!!!!
Apocalyptic Destroyerr Shining Flame Amarr Empire 57	Posted - 2015.05.11 17:57:00 - [2] - Quote You're a funny guy ! http://i.imgur.com/vUwY9wA.gif I have it Maxed out with Amarr Proto. Stop complaining. However if it was nerfed, I'd be fine with that as well.
Ku Shala PIanet Express 1436	Posted - 2015.05.11 18:29:00 - [3] - Quote only if you take a 50% damage nerf , stop spamming and learn how to aim *-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä (CK-0 Specialist x5)* Caldari Loyalist 22 230 780 sp in drop suit upgrades
Vesta Opalus Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 695	Posted - 2015.05.11 18:42:00 - [4] - Quote matthew swager wrote: can we lower the cool down time from an over heat or do away with the damage from the overheat This guy, is it a troll, or is he so out of touch that he actually thinks scramblers are bad? Oh man I just cant decide.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 18933	Posted - 2015.05.11 21:40:00 - [5] - Quote Ku Shala wrote: only if you take a 50% damage nerf , stop spamming and learn how to aim I like how the weapon is considered spammable because you have to tap the trigger repeatedly....but the most commonly used automatic weapons are not for the sole reason you can hold down the trigger. "That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die."
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 23973	Posted - 2015.05.11 21:55:00 - [6] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Ku Shala wrote: only if you take a 50% damage nerf , stop spamming and learn how to aim I like how the weapon is considered spammable because you have to tap the trigger repeatedly....but the most commonly used automatic weapons are not for the sole reason you can hold down the trigger. The accusation of 'learn how to aim' is especially cute given that despite all the crying the SCR requires more careful aiming than most weapons. Arkena Wyrnspire aka "British Khorne" - Cross Atu Gallente Guide
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 18936	Posted - 2015.05.11 22:31:00 - [7] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: True Adamance wrote: Ku Shala wrote: only if you take a 50% damage nerf , stop spamming and learn how to aim I like how the weapon is considered spammable because you have to tap the trigger repeatedly....but the most commonly used automatic weapons are not for the sole reason you can hold down the trigger. The accusation of 'learn how to aim' is especially cute given that despite all the crying the SCR requires more careful aiming than most weapons. I don't really care if people think it is or isn't. I'm just curious about the reasons why they consider this weapon spam but not say the TAC-AR (an amazing double standard) and also not faster RoF weapons with larger magazines. "That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die."
manboar thunder fist Dead Man's Game RUST415 436	Posted - 2015.05.11 22:59:00 - [8] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: True Adamance wrote: Ku Shala wrote: only if you take a 50% damage nerf , stop spamming and learn how to aim I like how the weapon is considered spammable because you have to tap the trigger repeatedly....but the most commonly used automatic weapons are not for the sole reason you can hold down the trigger. The accusation of 'learn how to aim' is especially cute given that despite all the crying the SCR requires more careful aiming than most weapons. I don't really care if people think it is or isn't. I'm just curious about the reasons why they consider this weapon spam but not say the TAC-AR (an amazing double standard) and also not faster RoF weapons with larger magazines. because holding down the trigger and emptying 50 rounds into someone is not spam :) but firing 15 is "If there is a strafe nerf in this game, remove hit detection"- manboar 2014
TheEnd762 SVER True Blood RUST415 745	Posted - 2015.05.11 23:06:00 - [9] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I like how the weapon is considered spammable because you have to tap the trigger repeatedly....but the most commonly used automatic weapons are not for the sole reason you can hold down the trigger. Other weapons don't melt through shield and armor like an oxyacetylene torch through butter.
manboar thunder fist Dead Man's Game RUST415 436	Posted - 2015.05.11 23:08:00 - [10] - Quote err they kind of do? i rarely use a scrambler now because aiming with other weapons is much easier while strafing, and in faster, better equipped rapid regen suits perfect for all situations. "If there is a strafe nerf in this game, remove hit detection"- manboar 2014

TheEnd762 SVER True Blood RUST415 745	Posted - 2015.05.11 23:15:00 - [11] - Quote They definitely don't; not as much as the Scr Rifle, which is hghly effective from close to medium/long range, and is extremely exploitable using a turbo function, which clearly many players are doing, when you look at the damage output on the kill screen vs TTK.
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10057	Posted - 2015.05.11 23:36:00 - [12] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote: You're a funny guy ! http://i.imgur.com/vUwY9wA.gif I have it Maxed out with Amarr Proto. Stop complaining. However if it was nerfed, I'd be fine with that as well. You were seriously annoying with that thing in that one match (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10057	Posted - 2015.05.11 23:36:00 - [13] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: True Adamance wrote: Ku Shala wrote: only if you take a 50% damage nerf , stop spamming and learn how to aim I like how the weapon is considered spammable because you have to tap the trigger repeatedly....but the most commonly used automatic weapons are not for the sole reason you can hold down the trigger. The accusation of 'learn how to aim' is especially cute given that despite all the crying the SCR requires more careful aiming than most weapons. I don't really care if people think it is or isn't. I'm just curious about the reasons why they consider this weapon spam but not say the TAC-AR (an amazing double standard) and also not faster RoF weapons with larger magazines. Mostly because the others require more than one shot to land? (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 18946	Posted - 2015.05.12 00:51:00 - [14] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: True Adamance wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: True Adamance wrote: Ku Shala wrote: only if you take a 50% damage nerf , stop spamming and learn how to aim I like how the weapon is considered spammable because you have to tap the trigger repeatedly....but the most commonly used automatic weapons are not for the sole reason you can hold down the trigger. The accusation of 'learn how to aim' is especially cute given that despite all the crying the SCR requires more careful aiming than most weapons. I don't really care if people think it is or isn't. I'm just curious about the reasons why they consider this weapon spam but not say the TAC-AR (an amazing double standard) and also not faster RoF weapons with larger magazines. Mostly because the others require more than one shot to land? If it only requires one shot then how is it spam? If it requires more than one shot how is it any different? If it requires less rounds than the other weapons then how is it still spam? The question is not how its over performing but why it is spam to fire multiple shots from a semi automatic rifle as fast as possible while it is not spam to fire more rounds faster from an automatic rifle. "That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die."
TheEnd762 SVER True Blood RUST415 745	Posted - 2015.05.12 00:55:00 - [15] - Quote True Adamance wrote: The question is not how its over performing but why it is spam to fire multiple shots from a semi automatic rifle as fast as possible while it is not spam to fire more rounds faster from an automatic rifle. The Scr Rifle can fire faster than most automatics, save for SMGs, but it does WAY more damage and has much more range.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 18947	Posted - 2015.05.12 01:08:00 - [16] - Quote TheEnd762 wrote: True Adamance wrote: The question is not how its over performing but why it is spam to fire multiple shots from a semi automatic rifle as fast as possible while it is not spam to fire more rounds faster from an automatic rifle. The Scr Rifle can fire faster than most automatics, save for SMGs, but it does WAY more damage and has much more range. Imperial Viziam ScR - 600 RPM Boundless Combat Rifle - 1200 RPM Kalakiotaa Rail Rifle - 461.54 RPM Duvolle Tactical Assault Rifle - 600 RPM Allotek Burst Assault Rifle - 1200 RPM Carthum AScR - 705 RPM Six Kin Assault Combat Rifle - 1200 RPM Duvolle Assault Rifle - 800 RPM Ishukone Assault Rail Rifle - 600 RPM The only rifle the ScR and the AScR have RoF over are the Rail Rifles as far as I can tell. Tell me more about that...... "That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die."
TheEnd762 SVER True Blood RUST415 748	Posted - 2015.05.12 01:13:00 - [17] - Quote Pretty sure those numbers don't reflect the fact that the Scr Rifle is exploitable with turbo, while Rail Rifles, which have spool-up time, are not. Not to mention the effectiveness of the Scr Rifle against shield AND armor. Besides, you can cite numbers all day. Doesn't trump observable results in the field.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 18949	Posted - 2015.05.12 01:39:00 - [18] - Quote TheEnd762 wrote: Pretty sure those numbers don't reflect the fact that the Scr Rifle is exploitable with turbo, while Rail Rifles, which have spool-up time, are not. Not to mention the effectiveness of the Scr Rifle against shield AND armor. Besides, you can cite numbers all day. Doesn't trump observable results in the field. You are citing an out of game mechanism/exploit and and unavoidable mechanic which does not adjust the True RoF of the weapon as proof against this? Should I start citing heat build up as a control for RoF and DPS? However we are getting off topic. You've yet to justify why it is considered spam when it neither is the sole semi automatic weapon, the other which is not considered spam despite equal RoF and lack a of penalising mechanics, nor does it have the highest RoF of weapons in its respective classes. "That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die."
Magnus Amadeuss Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1219	Posted - 2015.05.12 02:08:00 - [19] - Quote I think the problem.... the problems with the scrambler are pretty simple. 1) it has way too strong of aim assist. This one is obvious. It hits way to frequently when compared to the TAC AR in CQC. It doesn;t do more damage than the TAC AR, it barely does more than the combat rifle. Both of these weapons do more DPS when the current meta is taken into account (armor >>> shields) 2) With the way overheat works, you can either have the SCR (and the laser) balanced on the amarr assault, or the rest of the suits in the game. That is just poor design. It also means than in the majority of cases, non-amarr weapons are better on amarr suits than amarr weapons are. EWAR tool
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 1003	Posted - 2015.05.12 05:07:00 - [20] - Quote Not spammable? My cronus max begs to differ lol. Best fully auto gun in the game. Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!

WeapondigitX V7 The Exemplars 387	Posted - 2015.05.12 09:50:00 - [21] - Quote TheEnd762 wrote: They definitely don't; not as much as the Scr Rifle, which is hghly effective from close to medium/long range, and is extremely exploitable using a turbo function, which clearly many players are doing, when you look at the damage output on the kill screen vs TTK. Some of us just have fast trigger fingers
TheEnd762 SVER True Blood RUST415 750	Posted - 2015.05.12 10:40:00 - [22] - Quote Sure, like "some" people have 10+ Roden Sniper Rifles. Then there are others who use turbo.
Ku Shala PIanet Express 1440	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:52:00 - [23] - Quote so learn how to aim means dont just spray the gun and expect to kill its a precision weapon that takes skill to shoot. and dont just spam means it overheats when you just spray it everywhere and dont aim. it takes three well placed shots to kill just about anything, and as mention a few times in this thread has exploitable overheat with turbo controller. *-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä (CK-0 Specialist x5)* Caldari Loyalist 22 230 780 sp in drop suit upgrades
matthew swager SMARTCREW Smart Deploy 16	Posted - 2015.05.22 22:18:00 - [24] - Quote Ku Shala wrote: only if you take a 50% damage nerf , stop spamming and learn how to aim i dont spam and i dont use a moded controler i simply say this because the out of everything that over heats its the only thing that causes damage when it does I KILL YOU!!!!!!!!
matthew swager SMARTCREW Smart Deploy 16	Posted - 2015.05.22 22:25:00 - [25] - Quote TheEnd762 wrote: Pretty sure those numbers don't reflect the fact that the Scr Rifle is exploitable with turbo, while Rail Rifles, which have spool-up time, are not. Not to mention the effectiveness of the Scr Rifle against shield AND armor. Besides, you can cite numbers all day. Doesn't trump observable results in the field. it is+20/-20 effective parameters I KILL YOU!!!!!!!!
Templar XIII Vherokior Combat Logistics 183	Posted - 2015.05.22 23:29:00 - [26] - Quote Ku Shala wrote: ...and as mention a few times in this thread has exploitable overheat with turbo controller. Sure, Scr is exploitable with turbo controller, so is Tac Ar, CR, Sniper Rifles, ScP, IonPistol (turning full auto) and every assault rifle (no more kick) variant. Hell, even the shotgun and MD are exploitable this way (full auto with minimum delay) The only weapons that are not exploitable via Turbo are those with spool up time: RR and Bolt pistol. If you start laying arguments on basis of potential turbo controller use, you practically demand weapons to be balanced around an exploit, which will make each affected weapon useless and UP w/o the use of said controller, making the exploit/TurboController a must-use to have balance. This is just dumb. Better offer ways beat the exploit than to balance around it.


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