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Aeon Amadi
Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.05.11 01:36:00 -
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Crimson ShieId wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Vrain Matari wrote:saxonmish wrote:Crimson ShieId wrote:Wouldn't mind the things so much if they didn't make passive scans completely irrelevant. Why Rattati thought it was a good idea to give a single piece of equipment the ability to scan the enemy team for your entire team, I'll never know. theres nothing worse running solo vs a full pro squad and getting permascanned Shared scans is the single biggest force multiplier in the game - i want it gone from pubs. Assume that shared scans were done away with completely. What would you want that one Logistics suit's role to be instead? (I can't call it Gallente or Adipem will come in here flipping his lid) There's really nothing else for the Gallente Logi. The scanner is their only piece of equipment at the moment. A nerf would be alright, but a buff to passive scans would be even better. Allow other suits to compete. Dodging scans isn't all that difficult, 2-3 dampeners hides you completely. I wouldn't mind seeing the skill changed either, let it be total time scanned, or scan radius or range, or all of the above. Would make something so powerful be a little easier to avoid, but at that point, if people still complained, they'd have only themselves to blame.
I dislike homogenization of battlefield roles.
You guys are like a broken record with this "CPM material" business xD Let it go
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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic
2745
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Posted - 2015.05.11 01:40:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Vrain Matari wrote:saxonmish wrote:Crimson ShieId wrote:Wouldn't mind the things so much if they didn't make passive scans completely irrelevant. Why Rattati thought it was a good idea to give a single piece of equipment the ability to scan the enemy team for your entire team, I'll never know. theres nothing worse running solo vs a full pro squad and getting permascanned Shared scans is the single biggest force multiplier in the game - i want it gone from pubs. Assume that shared scans were done away with completely. What would you want that one Logistics suit's role to be instead? (I can't call it Gallente or Adipem will come in here flipping his lid) Not a clue, tbh, would really want to go back and re-read those threads. I've got nothing against the Gallogi bonus or shared scans, in principle. In FW and PC it belongs, and now that we have two tier matchmaking it's not as burningly critical an issue as it once was.
If i was modifying the Gallogi for pubs maybe require squadmates to be within a certain range of their Logis if they want to benefit from shared scans.
This is bringing back memories of how against tacnet-based equipment bonuses i was back then - information asymmetry is tremendously powerful in any situation.
But to answer your question, if the scanner bonus were removed from Gallogis, i suppose i'd want the bonus to be armor-based. Maybe split the repair tool bonus into range and rate and give one mostly to Min and one mostly to Gall. Or give Gall a flat-out bonus to all armor repair, be it from hives or repair tools.
*Braces for incoming flaming*
PSN: RationalSpark
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
9574
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Posted - 2015.05.11 02:17:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Can complain all you want but the Gallente Logi is probably one of the most under-powered roles in the game. You don't even get WP rewards for scanning for the entire team so the only thing you really get out of that is FGP (feel good points).
Even still, with the way cooldowns are with those things, you basically have to run all scanners in your equipment slot if you want to maintain awareness on the enemy but that also means you take a gun out of your hand. I really can't stand it when people say that they invalidate passive scans because it really isn't the case - you can shoot while maintaining passive scans. Passive scans are also 360 degrees of coverage, constantly going. There's no cooldowns, angles, or visibility times and you're not having to hold it in your hand for it to work.
-Shrug- Try running dedicated Scan Gal Logi sometime, see how annoying that can get. Also, be sure to record your voice comms whenever you rage out at the fact that even with all skills level 5 and all prototype gear you can't scan down some Scouts that insta-gib you with a shotgun/nova knives. So much is wrong with this. If it weren't a Gallente unit doing it, you'd be on fire about permascan. There's nothing UP about the GalLogi. I run it often, and it is straight-up broken. I may not make much WP from scans, but I can permascan entire matches of Dom, Acq and Bush at negligible risk. All by myself. For my entire team. My GalLogi's 21 dB team-wide active scans are broken, at 3 cPEs it's passive scans are as good as any recon scouts -- and unlike a recon scout -- at 600+ HP it can hold its owns in a fight. Lol, this post is full of dumb, even for you Adipem. I really don't care about being permascanned. Go watch some of my videos and you'll see that I very rarely fit profile dampeners. I don't hide from my opponent, never have. Congrats, you can see me, now deal with me. Suppose your White Card in the Dust 514 Cards Against Humanity bit is spot on with the Ad Hominem though. Congrats on being able to permascan in pubs. No, really, I'm impressed, so impressed that I'm just spilling over the brim with sarcasm. Also, you're a failure and an idiot if you're putting on PEs on a Gallente Logi, for real. Comparing the Gal Logi's recon ability to the Scout's is also some serious derp because they're designed for different things. You don't see Gallente Logi's running around with the ability to fit long-lasting cloaking devices, inherent low profiles, and fast movement speed. 600+ HP is great when you're standing still. Doesn't help worth a damn when you have to move. You're also not hiding from anyone, no matter how well you can see them. But yanno, what would I know, I'm just a terribad Gallente roleplayer (even though I'm an Intaki secessionist who has proto Minmatar Commando/Assault/Logi and am working on Caldari Logi/Assault). EDIT: Couldn't help but bring this up because of how fail it is. With 3 cPEs on a Gal Logi you have 24db passive scans - sure - but that's over 19m. Are you freaggin high, dude? 19m is BS, if you haven't eyeballed them visually at 19m you need to seriously re-evaluate what kind of games you play I've run every iteration of Recon Scout since Beta; there has never been a lower risk / higher reward recon unit than today's GalLogi. It is absolutely overpowered.
As for the 3 cPEs on GalLogi, it sets my outer ring to 31dB, which is low enough to pickup undampened MinScouts out to 38 meters. I could fit more HP or myofibs, but I really haven't the need. I can kill just fine with 600-700 HP. I'm used to killing with half that.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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MrShooter01
Ustio Mercenary Squadron
1538
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Posted - 2015.05.11 02:20:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:
Assume that shared scans were done away with completely. What would you want that one Logistics suit's role to be instead? (I can't call it Gallente or Adipem will come in here flipping his lid)
Tracking link equipment
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Weary Guy
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Posted - 2015.05.11 02:29:00 -
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saxonmish wrote:Crimson ShieId wrote:Wouldn't mind the things so much if they didn't make passive scans completely irrelevant. Why Rattati thought it was a good idea to give a single piece of equipment the ability to scan the enemy team for your entire team, I'll never know. theres nothing worse running solo vs a full pro squad and getting permascanned
respect
Running solo, i no longer see you as a Pubstar...i run scans when i am not running a cloak on my scout (Ewar never works)
anyway, i expect some solo stomping videos soon! Roman837 and his squad are fun to stomp. Akhomi Cypher and Crazy Cat Lady never run solo...i stabbed them like 6 times in once...they returned with perma-scans 0uter.Heaven, FA and Capital Acquisition leave when they see opposition unless they bring a full squad Japanese corps stay in game (they so beastmode)
Alt char
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Regnier Feros
Pielords
352
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Posted - 2015.05.11 02:47:00 -
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LMAO
"You're like a she-male.. hates gym, doesn't know how to be alpha.. you'll stay in the friendzone for life" -Senpai
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Aeon Amadi
Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback
10043
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Posted - 2015.05.11 03:02:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Vrain Matari wrote:saxonmish wrote:Crimson ShieId wrote:Wouldn't mind the things so much if they didn't make passive scans completely irrelevant. Why Rattati thought it was a good idea to give a single piece of equipment the ability to scan the enemy team for your entire team, I'll never know. theres nothing worse running solo vs a full pro squad and getting permascanned Shared scans is the single biggest force multiplier in the game - i want it gone from pubs. Assume that shared scans were done away with completely. What would you want that one Logistics suit's role to be instead? (I can't call it Gallente or Adipem will come in here flipping his lid) Not a clue, tbh, would really want to go back and re-read those threads. I've got nothing against the Gallogi bonus or shared scans, in principle. In FW and PC it belongs, and now that we have two tier matchmaking it's not as burningly critical an issue as it once was. If i was modifying the Gallogi for pubs maybe require squadmates to be within a certain range of their Logis if they want to benefit from shared scans. This is bringing back memories of how against tacnet-based equipment bonuses i was back then - information asymmetry is tremendously powerful in any situation. But to answer your question, if the scanner bonus were removed from Gallogis, i suppose i'd want the bonus to be armor-based. Maybe split the repair tool bonus into range and rate and give one mostly to Min and one mostly to Gall. Or give Gall a flat-out bonus to all armor repair, be it from hives or repair tools. *Braces for incoming flaming*
It's not a terrible idea. Fits with their combat philosophy. I like the idea of requiring squad-mates to be within a certain range to benefit from shared scans though, not gonna lie. Just seems to make more sense. Although, as a sniper, I kind of worry that there'd be a limitation in the tactical viability of a Scanner + Sniper combo.
You guys are like a broken record with this "CPM material" business xD Let it go
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Pocket Rocket Girl
Psygod9
382
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Posted - 2015.05.11 04:01:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Can complain all you want but the Gallente Logi is probably one of the most under-powered roles in the game. You don't even get WP rewards for scanning for the entire team so the only thing you really get out of that is FGP (feel good points).
Even still, with the way cooldowns are with those things, you basically have to run all scanners in your equipment slot if you want to maintain awareness on the enemy but that also means you take a gun out of your hand. I really can't stand it when people say that they invalidate passive scans because it really isn't the case - you can shoot while maintaining passive scans. Passive scans are also 360 degrees of coverage, constantly going. There's no cooldowns, angles, or visibility times and you're not having to hold it in your hand for it to work.
-Shrug- Try running dedicated Scan Gal Logi sometime, see how annoying that can get. Also, be sure to record your voice comms whenever you rage out at the fact that even with all skills level 5 and all prototype gear you can't scan down some Scouts that insta-gib you with a shotgun/nova knives. So much is wrong with this. If it weren't a Gallente unit doing it, you'd be on fire about permascan. There's nothing UP about the GalLogi. I run it often, and it is straight-up broken. I may not make much WP from scans, but I can permascan entire matches of Dom, Acq and Bush at negligible risk. All by myself. For my entire team. My GalLogi's 21 dB team-wide active scans are broken, at 3 cPEs it's passive scans are as good as any recon scouts -- and unlike a recon scout -- at 600+ HP it can hold its owns in a fight. Lol, this post is full of dumb, even for you Adipem. I really don't care about being permascanned. Go watch some of my videos and you'll see that I very rarely fit profile dampeners. I don't hide from my opponent, never have. Congrats, you can see me, now deal with me. Suppose your White Card in the Dust 514 Cards Against Humanity bit is spot on with the Ad Hominem though. Congrats on being able to permascan in pubs. No, really, I'm impressed, so impressed that I'm just spilling over the brim with sarcasm. Also, you're a failure and an idiot if you're putting on PEs on a Gallente Logi, for real. Comparing the Gal Logi's recon ability to the Scout's is also some serious derp because they're designed for different things. You don't see Gallente Logi's running around with the ability to fit long-lasting cloaking devices, inherent low profiles, and fast movement speed. 600+ HP is great when you're standing still. Doesn't help worth a damn when you have to move. You're also not hiding from anyone, no matter how well you can see them. But yanno, what would I know, I'm just a terribad Gallente roleplayer (even though I'm an Intaki secessionist who has proto Minmatar Commando/Assault/Logi and am working on Caldari Logi/Assault). EDIT: Couldn't help but bring this up because of how fail it is. With 3 cPEs on a Gal Logi you have 24db passive scans - sure - but that's over 19m. Are you freaggin high, dude? 19m is BS, if you haven't eyeballed them visually at 19m you need to seriously re-evaluate what kind of games you play
In short QQ lol
Moo?
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Nestil
Nos Nothi
252
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Posted - 2015.05.11 04:19:00 -
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saxonmish wrote:You're a bi*ch.
Here I give you +1 for insulting yourself (well and your half Corp)
'LR4-Trading' Protester
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Droopy Bawlz
myrtle beach leap frogz
97
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Posted - 2015.05.11 14:43:00 -
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Nestil wrote:saxonmish wrote:You're a bi*ch. Here I give you +1 for insulting yourself (well and your half Corp)
I should give him a +1. He is a gold mine for Likes. I wish he would post more lame threads.
(Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
ITS MY SIG SO GET YOUR OWN
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe. RUST415
3764
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Posted - 2015.05.11 15:09:00 -
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When I'm being permascanned, I do one of two things:
Either I scan them back, or I run dampeners.
It's not that hard to figure out. |
Droopy Bawlz
myrtle beach leap frogz
101
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Posted - 2015.05.11 15:12:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:When I'm being permascanned, I do one of two things:
Either I scan them back, or I run dampeners.
It's not that hard to figure out.
Shhhhh Stop it. Common sense can get you banned in this area.
(Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
ITS MY SIG SO GET YOUR OWN
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2Berries
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
869
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Posted - 2015.05.11 16:19:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:It would be freaken awesome if we had an area damp field equipment.
It would work like a dampener, except over a certain area and it has a duration time and cool down period.
Great for pushing objectives where the enemy is entrenched.
I was thinking the opposite. Instead of hiding everything a piece of equipment that makes a 75m red dot would be a great counter to scans. Give it high bandwidth (only deploy one), small surface area (uplink size or smaller) and an active time limit seld destructs after 2-3 minutes).
Honestly, this tread is f*cked. How can you support spawn camping & cry over scans? If you just want to play with the same 50 people over & over again go qsync FW. If you want new players to come into the game give then a chance to live & fight. Pubs are either all proto or proto/officer mix now. Only way for a noob to know which way death is comomg from is by active scanners.
Does your bitching include scans from vehicles? Those have been doing the lions share of scans.
Evening Boys, Hows the water?
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2Berries
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
869
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Posted - 2015.05.11 16:20:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:When I'm being permascanned, I do one of two things:
Either I scan them back, or I run dampeners.
It's not that hard to figure out. I like it: Scans - get under it or get over it.
Evening Boys, Hows the water?
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The KTM DuKe
Dead Man's Game
198
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Posted - 2015.05.11 17:26:00 -
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saxonmish wrote:You're a bi*ch. Video or it didnt happen
Warning, Forgegun proof V! The 1st Surf-Forgegunner in a PC. Hunting officer gear users.
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