DUST Search - Rattati: Recycle the Biomass

Joseph Ridgeson wrote:

So I watched the Biomassed podcast (good job on a year of episodes fellas!) last night. Yes, I am behind the times. It was pretty fascinating just hearing Rattati openly admit that certain things have been quite bad, namely "we are almost back to the point to where we were before FanFest [2014] but, unfortunately, just not quite there yet." One thing that really stuck to me is the fact that Rattati flat out said "Reskins of Tanks are coming because the PS3's memory is insufficient for new models." I am paraphrasing, but that is the gist of it.

Now we have Iron Wolf Saber and Rattati both stating that the nearly 9 year old tech that DUST is on is hampering the game development. IWS mentioned the Gallente RDV that has been in the game files forever but never implemented because of tech limitations and Rattati says that the only want to have any racial tank is for them to be reskins, again because of the tech.

So why is there such an utter silence about the potential for DUST to move to a different platform? I don't believe that CCP has even made statements like "we are looking into migrating from the PS3" other than Legion but even Legion was billed as a separate game rather than a transition (which is why "what about mah SP!" was The Bridal March for the wedding).

Because what looks worse than "Damn, DUST's tech be so old!" is "Damn, DUST's tech is never going to improve..."

Only your complete and total awareness is needed, nothing else will do. ------------- OSHO

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Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens 3960	Posted - 2015.04.29 18:24:00 - [1] - Quote So I watched the Biomassed podcast (good job on a year of episodes fellas!) last night. Yes, I am behind the times. It was pretty fascinating just hearing Rattati openly admit that certain things have been quite bad, namely "we are almost back to the point to where we were before FanFest [2014] but, unfortunately, just not quite there yet." One thing that really stuck to me is the fact that Rattati flat out said "Reskins of Tanks are coming because the PS3's memory is insufficient for new models." I am paraphrasing, but that is the gist of it. Now we have Iron Wolf Saber and Rattati both stating that the nearly 9 year old tech that DUST is on is hampering the game development. IWS mentioned the Gallente RDV that has been in the game files forever but never implemented because of tech limitations and Rattati says that the only want to have any racial tank is for them to be reskins, again because of the tech. So why is there such an utter silence about the potential for DUST to move to a different platform? I don't believe that CCP has even made statements like "we are looking into migrating from the PS3" other than Legion but even Legion was billed as a separate game rather than a transition (which is why "what about mah SP!" was The Bridal March for the wedding). Because what looks worse than "Damn, DUST's tech be so old!" is "Damn, DUST's tech is never going to improve..." "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Criteria Shipment The Hundred Acre Hood Rise Of Legion. 972	Posted - 2015.04.29 19:23:00 - [2] - Quote Game development WILL discontinue if there is nothing to be done from the technical standpoint. Look at what happened to Payday 2 on console. The limitations of the PS3 can't be improved upon, but CCP is unfortunately already down this road. PC is the next platform they must move on for the original dream of DUST to live on. And so, Project Legion was born.
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command 1138	Posted - 2015.04.29 19:30:00 - [3] - Quote I think CCP learned from the 2013 and 2014 Fanfests that it is better not to announce activities that you are not certain you'll be able to implement. And thus we get silence on the mid-to-far future. From the reports from fanfest I took that this silence doesn't mean there is no mid-to-far future, just that they won't talk about it until they know more about it. Fair stance, in my opinion. By the way, I also consider it a fair stance to not trust CCP about there being a mid-to-far future. With this history everyone is entitled to that opinion.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 23628	Posted - 2015.04.29 19:34:00 - [4] - Quote Criteria Shipment wrote: Game development WILL discontinue if there is nothing to be done from the technical standpoint. Look at what happened to Payday 2 on console. The limitations of the PS3 can't be improved upon, but CCP is unfortunately already down this road. PC is the next platform they must move on for the original dream of DUST to live on. And so, Project Legion was born. Or PS4, since, y'know, their entire playerbase is console based. Supreme Forum Warrior Gallente Guide
7th Son 7 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 834	Posted - 2015.04.29 19:39:00 - [5] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: So I watched the Biomassed podcast (good job on a year of episodes fellas!) last night. Yes, I am behind the times. It was pretty fascinating just hearing Rattati openly admit that certain things have been quite bad, namely "we are almost back to the point to where we were before FanFest [2014] but, unfortunately, just not quite there yet." One thing that really stuck to me is the fact that Rattati flat out said "Reskins of Tanks are coming because the PS3's memory is insufficient for new models." I am paraphrasing, but that is the gist of it. Now we have Iron Wolf Saber and Rattati both stating that the nearly 9 year old tech that DUST is on is hampering the game development. IWS mentioned the Gallente RDV that has been in the game files forever but never implemented because of tech limitations and Rattati says that the only want to have any racial tank is for them to be reskins, again because of the tech. So why is there such an utter silence about the potential for DUST to move to a different platform? I don't believe that CCP has even made statements like "we are looking into migrating from the PS3" other than Legion but even Legion was billed as a separate game rather than a transition (which is why "what about mah SP!" was The Bridal March for the wedding). Because what looks worse than "Damn, DUST's tech be so old!" is "Damn, DUST's tech is never going to improve..." At this stage I feel Dust will slowly start to die off. The longer the new systems are out and the more games that drop for those systems it will slowly continue eating up the remaining player base. Their fighting an up hill battle at this point imo Only your complete and total awareness is needed, nothing else will do. ------------- OSHO
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 9852	Posted - 2015.04.29 19:44:00 - [6] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: So why is there such an utter silence about the potential for DUST to move to a different platform? Because they learned from their previous mistakes, and won't make announcements until something is more concrete. I am confident that Legion is still being worked on, despite the claims by others. Not to mention the fact that CCP is still new to the FPS gig. Any port to a new platform will take along with it many issues that in fact are NOT based upon limitations of old technology. If they can't get some of the simple stuff right presently, then they will simply have a more polished almost-good-enough FPS on their hands on a new system. If it doesn't reach a quality threshold with regards to balance and other factors, then they will be dooming the new version before it even releases. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Criteria Shipment The Hundred Acre Hood Rise Of Legion. 972	Posted - 2015.04.29 19:58:00 - [7] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Criteria Shipment wrote: Game development WILL discontinue if there is nothing to be done from the technical standpoint. Look at what happened to Payday 2 on console. The limitations of the PS3 can't be improved upon, but CCP is unfortunately already down this road. PC is the next platform they must move on for the original dream of DUST to live on. And so, Project Legion was born. Or PS4, since, y'know, their entire playerbase is console based. Or? No, there's obviously no or. PC is their primary goal as of right now. Once they see their success, then some thought on PS4 will be considered.
7th Son 7 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 834	Posted - 2015.04.29 20:05:00 - [8] - Quote Criteria Shipment wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Criteria Shipment wrote: Game development WILL discontinue if there is nothing to be done from the technical standpoint. Look at what happened to Payday 2 on console. The limitations of the PS3 can't be improved upon, but CCP is unfortunately already down this road. PC is the next platform they must move on for the original dream of DUST to live on. And so, Project Legion was born. Or PS4, since, y'know, their entire playerbase is console based. Or? No, there's obviously no or. PC is their primary goal as of right now. Once they see their success, then some thought on PS4 will be considered. I love how you talk like you work for CCP, "Once they see their success, then some thought on PS4 will be considered" lmao. Where the hell do you people come from? Only your complete and total awareness is needed, nothing else will do. ------------- OSHO
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 9855	Posted - 2015.04.29 20:13:00 - [9] - Quote 7th Son 7 wrote: Criteria Shipment wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Criteria Shipment wrote: Game development WILL discontinue if there is nothing to be done from the technical standpoint. Look at what happened to Payday 2 on console. The limitations of the PS3 can't be improved upon, but CCP is unfortunately already down this road. PC is the next platform they must move on for the original dream of DUST to live on. And so, Project Legion was born. Or PS4, since, y'know, their entire playerbase is console based. Or? No, there's obviously no or. PC is their primary goal as of right now. Once they see their success, then some thought on PS4 will be considered. I love how you talk like you work for CCP, "Once they see their success, then some thought on PS4 will be considered" lmao. Where the hell do you people come from? It is a reasonable conclusion. We already know 1) Legion is being developed for the PC 2) CCP has stated that they are not actively considering a console at this time regarding Legion. Its simply the most optimistic among us that believe the PS4 is an obvious or inevitable conclusion. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Jonny D Buelle Mors Effera 1141	Posted - 2015.04.29 20:15:00 - [10] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Criteria Shipment wrote: Game development WILL discontinue if there is nothing to be done from the technical standpoint. Look at what happened to Payday 2 on console. The limitations of the PS3 can't be improved upon, but CCP is unfortunately already down this road. PC is the next platform they must move on for the original dream of DUST to live on. And so, Project Legion was born. Or PS4, since, y'know, their entire playerbase is console based. Would prefer Xbox One over the PS4 I find your lack of heaviness... disturbing...

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 9745	Posted - 2015.04.29 20:19:00 - [11] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Or PS4, since, y'know, their entire playerbase is console based. The playerbase is microscopic at this point. If we did lose some players to a platform switch it would not be more than the players we would gain from migrating to PC. Put Legion on Steam and watch the player population skyrocket out of control. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley, you're a fucking artist" - Cat Merc
Criteria Shipment The Hundred Acre Hood Rise Of Legion. 973	Posted - 2015.04.29 20:47:00 - [12] - Quote 7th Son 7 wrote: Criteria Shipment wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Criteria Shipment wrote: Game development WILL discontinue if there is nothing to be done from the technical standpoint. Look at what happened to Payday 2 on console. The limitations of the PS3 can't be improved upon, but CCP is unfortunately already down this road. PC is the next platform they must move on for the original dream of DUST to live on. And so, Project Legion was born. Or PS4, since, y'know, their entire playerbase is console based. Or? No, there's obviously no or. PC is their primary goal as of right now. Once they see their success, then some thought on PS4 will be considered. I love how you talk like you work for CCP, "Once they see their success, then some thought on PS4 will be considered" lmao. Where the hell do you people come from? That's because they said it themselves .-. Welcome to D US T?
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 23634	Posted - 2015.04.29 21:09:00 - [13] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Or PS4, since, y'know, their entire playerbase is console based. The playerbase is microscopic at this point. If we did lose some players to a platform switch it would not be more than the players we would gain from migrating to PC. Put Legion on Steam and watch the player population skyrocket out of control. Given that a very decent number of multiplayer FPS games on steam have smaller playerbases, that's not true at all. Supreme Forum Warrior Gallente Guide
7th Son 7 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 835	Posted - 2015.04.29 21:09:00 - [14] - Quote Criteria Shipment wrote: 7th Son 7 wrote: Criteria Shipment wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Criteria Shipment wrote: Game development WILL discontinue if there is nothing to be done from the technical standpoint. Look at what happened to Payday 2 on console. The limitations of the PS3 can't be improved upon, but CCP is unfortunately already down this road. PC is the next platform they must move on for the original dream of DUST to live on. And so, Project Legion was born. Or PS4, since, y'know, their entire playerbase is console based. Or? No, there's obviously no or. PC is their primary goal as of right now. Once they see their success, then some thought on PS4 will be considered. I love how you talk like you work for CCP, "Once they see their success, then some thought on PS4 will be considered" lmao. Where the hell do you people come from? That's because they said it themselves .-. Welcome to D US T? lmao they've said lots of things that never came to fruition - Welcome to D US T Only your complete and total awareness is needed, nothing else will do. ------------- OSHO
Forced Death Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 732	Posted - 2015.04.29 21:12:00 - [15] - Quote I do not have the physical ability to go and buy a PS4. When I bought my PS3, me dad said the PS4 is likely to come out soon. Wish I listened to him :/ Or you can port to PC with legion and reboot (with assets pls) STD Active Scanner with Scan Profile of 46db too OP
Void Echo Helix Order 2774	Posted - 2015.04.29 21:27:00 - [16] - Quote I bet that when some better space sifi shooter game comes out that's similar to dust on the ps4 (destiny is not that game) ccp will regret leaving consol as they watch everyone buy ps4s. FPSS belong on consoles, they make no sense being on pc. Closed Beta Vet. CEO: Helix Order. I have the controlled anger, more dangerous than you.
Forced Death Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 736	Posted - 2015.04.29 22:05:00 - [17] - Quote Void Echo wrote: I bet that when some better space sifi shooter game comes out that's similar to dust on the ps4 (destiny is not that game) ccp will regret leaving consol as they watch everyone buy ps4s. FPSS belong on consoles, they make no sense being on pc. but over sensitivity and modifiable specs STD Active Scanner with Scan Profile of 46db too OP
Criteria Shipment The Hundred Acre Hood Rise Of Legion. 973	Posted - 2015.04.29 23:16:00 - [18] - Quote 7th Son 7 wrote: Criteria Shipment wrote: 7th Son 7 wrote: [quote=Criteria Shipment][quote=Arkena Wyrnspire]Game development WILL discontinue if there is nothing to be done from the technical standpoint. Look at what happened to Payday 2 on console. The limitations of the PS3 can't be improved upon, but CCP is unfortunately already down this road. PC is the next platform they must move on for the original dream of DUST to live on. And so, Project Legion was born. Or PS4, since, y'know, their entire playerbase is console based. Or? No, there's obviously no or. PC is their primary goal as of right now. Once they see their success, then some thought on PS4 will be considered. I love how you talk like you work for CCP, "Once they see their success, then some thought on PS4 will be considered" lmao. Where the hell do you people come from? That's because they said it themselves .-. Welcome to D US T? lmao they've said lots of things that never came to fruition - Welcome to D US T Yes, just like what happened to Payday. Fake promises of a completed game you wanted due to console limitations. Welcome to the gaming industry, sped.
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 9872	Posted - 2015.04.29 23:57:00 - [19] - Quote Forced Death wrote: I do not have the physical ability to go and buy a PS4. When I bought my PS3, me dad said the PS4 is likely to come out soon. Wish I listened to him :/ Or you can port to PC with legion and reboot (with assets pls) It will got to the PC before the PS4, should it go to the PS4 at all. If you really like Dust, you should be fine. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens 3967	Posted - 2015.04.30 01:58:00 - [20] - Quote Try to stay clear of the arguments over PS4 or PC. We should be more curious what is happening and trying to argue which. There is a difference between not saying anything when there is nothing concrete and not even stating goals. The silence is worrisome. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 18630	Posted - 2015.04.30 02:00:00 - [21] - Quote Jonny D Buelle wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Criteria Shipment wrote: Game development WILL discontinue if there is nothing to be done from the technical standpoint. Look at what happened to Payday 2 on console. The limitations of the PS3 can't be improved upon, but CCP is unfortunately already down this road. PC is the next platform they must move on for the original dream of DUST to live on. And so, Project Legion was born. Or PS4, since, y'know, their entire playerbase is console based. Would prefer Xbox One over the PS4 * punches Johnny in the jaw "MIN MAXING! MIN MAXING! I'M BETTER AT IT THAN YOU!" - Mobius Wyvern
thor424 Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 57	Posted - 2015.04.30 02:11:00 - [22] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Criteria Shipment wrote: Game development WILL discontinue if there is nothing to be done from the technical standpoint. Look at what happened to Payday 2 on console. The limitations of the PS3 can't be improved upon, but CCP is unfortunately already down this road. PC is the next platform they must move on for the original dream of DUST to live on. And so, Project Legion was born. Or PS4, since, y'know, their entire playerbase is console based. stop it with the logic Thor's Emporium
Forever ETC Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1008	Posted - 2015.04.30 02:13:00 - [23] - Quote If Legion becomes a thing then it will obviously go to PC then hopefully to PS4. Since there have been multiple ports to PS4 from PC(the master race is shifting lol), I think it is safe to say CCP could easily do it a year after deploying Legion. PIE Lasers4life Oh am I part of a cure? Or am I part of the disease?
NextDark Knight Molon Labe. RUST415 790	Posted - 2015.04.30 02:18:00 - [24] - Quote Still not convinced they can prevent Aimbots on the PC version of Legion. I know you can do it on the PS but sure as hell a lot harder then some of the stuff found on PC. Over 60+ Million SP and full proto in all Caldari Suits. Dust just won't die on PS3/Xbox. Dustin since 6/29/2012
Alena Ventrallis Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 3031	Posted - 2015.04.30 02:41:00 - [25] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Criteria Shipment wrote: Game development WILL discontinue if there is nothing to be done from the technical standpoint. Look at what happened to Payday 2 on console. The limitations of the PS3 can't be improved upon, but CCP is unfortunately already down this road. PC is the next platform they must move on for the original dream of DUST to live on. And so, Project Legion was born. Or PS4, since, y'know, their entire playerbase is console based. You do know most of CCP's playerbase is PC based because of Eve right? And that there were tons of threads on the Eve forums expressing interest in Dust except that is was on the PS3? Porting it to PS4 unlocks all of the Eve fanbase, which easily dwarfs the fanbase on the console. Whirly gun make much thunder! - Victor
Ralden Caster Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 207	Posted - 2015.04.30 03:00:00 - [26] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Criteria Shipment wrote: Game development WILL discontinue if there is nothing to be done from the technical standpoint. Look at what happened to Payday 2 on console. The limitations of the PS3 can't be improved upon, but CCP is unfortunately already down this road. PC is the next platform they must move on for the original dream of DUST to live on. And so, Project Legion was born. Or PS4, since, y'know, their entire playerbase is console based. You do know most of CCP's playerbase is PC based because of Eve right? And that there were tons of threads on the Eve forums expressing interest in Dust except that is was on the PS3? Porting it to PC unlocks all of the Eve fanbase, which easily dwarfs the fanbase on the console. FTFY. Also, if they only ported to PS4, a lot of people who built PCs for Legion would be screwed. "I am frequently misquoted." -Aeon Amadi Welcome to my TIME MACHINE!
fragmentedhackslash Ahrendee Inc. 333	Posted - 2015.04.30 04:29:00 - [27] - Quote All of this is two years too late. Pain is just weakness leaving your body. Every day is a holiday. Every meal is a feast.
Isa Lucifer Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 220	Posted - 2015.04.30 06:16:00 - [28] - Quote I love your signature Framentedhackslash Amarr Victor Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Alena Ventrallis Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 3032	Posted - 2015.04.30 17:34:00 - [29] - Quote Ralden Caster wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Criteria Shipment wrote: Game development WILL discontinue if there is nothing to be done from the technical standpoint. Look at what happened to Payday 2 on console. The limitations of the PS3 can't be improved upon, but CCP is unfortunately already down this road. PC is the next platform they must move on for the original dream of DUST to live on. And so, Project Legion was born. Or PS4, since, y'know, their entire playerbase is console based. You do know most of CCP's playerbase is PC based because of Eve right? And that there were tons of threads on the Eve forums expressing interest in Dust except that is was on the PS3? Porting it to PC unlocks all of the Eve fanbase, which easily dwarfs the fanbase on the console. FTFY. Also, if they only ported to PS4, a lot of people who built PCs for Legion would be screwed. Fixed it myself. Guess I had PS4 on the mind. Anyway yes, PC port is better. Whirly gun make much thunder! - Victor
Kalante Schiffer Ancient Exiles. 1129	Posted - 2015.04.30 17:38:00 - [30] - Quote Ralden Caster wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Criteria Shipment wrote: Game development WILL discontinue if there is nothing to be done from the technical standpoint. Look at what happened to Payday 2 on console. The limitations of the PS3 can't be improved upon, but CCP is unfortunately already down this road. PC is the next platform they must move on for the original dream of DUST to live on. And so, Project Legion was born. Or PS4, since, y'know, their entire playerbase is console based. You do know most of CCP's playerbase is PC based because of Eve right? And that there were tons of threads on the Eve forums expressing interest in Dust except that is was on the PS3? Porting it to PC unlocks all of the Eve fanbase, which easily dwarfs the fanbase on the console. FTFY. Also, if they only ported to PS4, a lot of people who built PCs for Legion would be screwed. LOL and how is that our fault? Building a PC solely for a game that we have gotten a zero info about. I am sorry but they are dumb @sses. AE.

xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Pwnycorn 3126	Posted - 2015.04.30 19:01:00 - [31] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Or PS4, since, y'know, their entire playerbase is console based. The playerbase is microscopic at this point. If we did lose some players to a platform switch it would not be more than the players we would gain from migrating to PC. Put Legion on Steam and watch the player population skyrocket out of control. Given that a very decent number of multiplayer FPS games on steam have smaller playerbases, that's not true at all. And considering there's at least 5 times the competition compared to consoles. Actually, I always thought CCP missed a big opportunity with the PS4. They could have been one of the really few free to play FPS on PS4, and the fact that online gaming for any other kind of title besides Free to play games, is subscription based, that would have granted even more players to Dust. In other words, free marketing for CCP. I also understand that developing for a new platform while guaranteeing the functionality of the old platform game is a really important investment, but it would have been worth imo. Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens 3971	Posted - 2015.04.30 21:50:00 - [32] - Quote You see, this is what CCP can easily do. Someone brings up if the game will be moved to a different platform and the arguments and back and forths start over whether it should be Playstation 4 or PC. The argument continues and continues and CCP never has to step in because it becomes people arguing over something they do not have to make a statement on: Computers and Consoles. The question is NOT "Which system will DUST move to, if at all?" That is the question that just gets lost out because it becomes a case of "X versus Y." That is not that interesting of a question, especially considering where DUST is at the moment. The question should be "Does CCP intend to transition to a different system or have that as a goal?" This isn't a "well, do you want a repeat of FanFest 2013 or 2014 where it is nothing concrete?" In fact, that is a non-sequitur. Isn't it odd that Rattat and CCP have not made their intentions known on the concept of transition, that we do not know if the developers of the game even intend to overcome the limitation that they know freely admit hampers their design? It doesn't matter what system DUST ends up on right now. We don't know if there is any kind of will or desire to transition the game. We don't need something concrete or even a big announcement. How about something like: "We have nothing to announce at the moment. However, we are currently interested in the process of transitioning DUST 514 from the current system to another." "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"


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