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D legendary hero WarRavens 1911	Posted - 2015.04.29 04:40:00 - [1] - Quote It just doesn't work right since the damage profile was changed from 95/110. Either way I'm out gunned by everything close range and long range this weapon is trash. Please fix it. I could sit here and cite stats but since you have them anyway it would be superfluous to do so. Nonetheless, try it out yourself and see how utterly useless it wil be verses anything jut a lightly clad scout. It's pis poor verse are too.. Due to the high tank ability of armor. Other b weapons still do considerable damage to armor making it pretty bad. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 3811	Posted - 2015.04.29 04:42:00 - [2] - Quote Lol. Its not trash... You must be, as they say- -"doin it rong" Sniper Rifles are for Nitrogenous Dioxide Borons First to PM me with common name wins (no Hyansaru, u win too much ;P)
WeapondigitX V7 The Exemplars 359	Posted - 2015.04.29 05:16:00 - [3] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: It just doesn't work right since the damage profile was changed from 95/110. Either way I'm out gunned by everything close range and long range this weapon is trash. Please fix it. I could sit here and cite stats but since you have them anyway it would be superfluous to do so. Nonetheless, try it out yourself and see how utterly useless it wil be verses anything jut a lightly clad scout. It's pis poor verse are too.. Due to the high tank ability of armor. Other b weapons still do considerable damage to armor making it pretty bad. 6/10 troll
tal mrak-thanl Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 875	Posted - 2015.04.29 05:22:00 - [4] - Quote The Acr is best suited against rep fits. You need the burst variant and good aim to really take out tankers. "That OB was like a wet fart" - Eros Adonai mini flux 2015
D legendary hero WarRavens 1911	Posted - 2015.04.29 14:00:00 - [5] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: Lol. Its not trash... You must be, as they say- -"doin it rong" So says the noon. Nice try. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
D legendary hero WarRavens 1911	Posted - 2015.04.29 14:06:00 - [6] - Quote tal mrak-thanl wrote: The Acr is best suited against rep fits. You need the burst variant and good aim to really take out tankers. That's the problem. Any other gun would by default do better verses low ehp fits. Hell ascr does more dps to armor than the acr. Because the damage is so low. With the assault scrambler, better dps than the acr, the gal AR better (in CQC but also at mid range), even rail rifles are better at the range th is gun is supposed to be good. Let's face it. It needs a damage tweak... Not buff tweak. Use it.use a bk42 for a day with a complex mods on an assault suit and tell me that it works. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Scheneighnay McBob And the ButtPirates 6280	Posted - 2015.04.29 14:23:00 - [7] - Quote I'm still finding that it's great. u doin it rung Some details can be ignored
Jakkal Shoobah Eternal Beings 118	Posted - 2015.04.29 14:47:00 - [8] - Quote As a gallente loyalist I know all about that combat rifle since it kills me with the most ease Anyone familiar with Cr will tell you that the Cr is pretty much better in every aspect besides ammo capacity. And full auto . The acr is a low dps variant thats easier to use . Since it mimics the AR you gotta take some more time to kill targets instead of bursting the damage. The acr has roughly 2/3 the damage per bullet and 150% the rof of the ar. Coupled with its profile and decent range , you shouldn't have problems unless you don't burst fire and don't focus on one target. Picking easy targets is also a good idea. Ideal range, 10-50 mtrs. 60 if your a good shot. If the acr was to have more damage than it would outshine the ar. Remember all assault variants should mimic the respective weapon , but add their own twist. I think the minmatars twist on the AR is that high dps armor chewing ability of projectiles. Practice practice practice. If anything ever needs a buff its the breach shotty and breach flaylock. Those need some love. While slow to anger and occasionally indecisive, they are also capable of harnessing enormous resolve when truly tested.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 23616	Posted - 2015.04.29 14:51:00 - [9] - Quote Since when was the ACR low DPS? It has the highest DPS on armour of any automatic. And yes, that includes the ASCR. Supreme Forum Warrior Gallente Guide
Sleepy Shadow Qualified Scrub 340	Posted - 2015.04.29 14:56:00 - [10] - Quote You need to burst it at longer ranges. When you do, thereGÇÖs no kick and hardly any dispersion. At close range I am not sure what guns you lose to. And I guess what suits. The ACR is amazing against armour suits though thickly veiled Amarrs can be an issue. Unless youGÇÖre running it on a Minmitar assault. All dem bullits. =ƒÿ¦

godhands9 WarRavens 176	Posted - 2015.04.29 15:00:00 - [11] - Quote The breach sub is way to fun..try the breach subs bro..the fire rate may be lower but it smacks in the face well.
godhands9 WarRavens 176	Posted - 2015.04.29 15:04:00 - [12] - Quote another thing the original assault rifle is garbage now..I do agree with that.The combat rifle is way to op in fire rate..compared to the assault rifle its way better in all means.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 23618	Posted - 2015.04.29 15:32:00 - [13] - Quote Honestly the Minassault with ACR is just spammed so hard right now I genuinely can't understand how you can think this without being terrible. Supreme Forum Warrior Gallente Guide
D legendary hero WarRavens 1911	Posted - 2015.04.29 20:46:00 - [14] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I'm still finding that it's great. u doin it rung ok. so elaborate. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
D legendary hero WarRavens 1911	Posted - 2015.04.29 20:50:00 - [15] - Quote Jakkal Shoobah wrote: As a gallente loyalist I know all about that combat rifle since it kills me with the most ease Anyone familiar with Cr will tell you that the Cr is pretty much better in every aspect besides ammo capacity. And full auto . The acr is a low dps variant thats easier to use . Since it mimics the AR you gotta take some more time to kill targets instead of bursting the damage. The acr has roughly 2/3 the damage per bullet and 150% the rof of the ar. Coupled with its profile and decent range , you shouldn't have problems unless you don't burst fire and don't focus on one target. Picking easy targets is also a good idea. Ideal range, 10-50 mtrs. 60 if your a good shot. to be fair, remember im mentioning the ACR. The regular combat rifle is fine, it just suffers horribly from lag issues which is another topic altogether. Here i refer only to the assault combat. which used to be good but then got a damage nerf and now is crippled... Quote: If the acr was to have more damage than it would outshine the ar. Remember all assault variants should mimic the respective weapon , but add their own twist. I think the minmatars twist on the AR is that high dps armor chewing ability of projectiles. Practice practice practice. If anything ever needs a buff its the breach shotty and breach flaylock. Those need some love. Well i certainly dnt want it to outshine the gal ar. The gal ar is finally balanced. Still the niche the ACR had was completely destroyed when its damage was nerfed. i dnt want more damage i want its previously damage output back. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
D legendary hero WarRavens 1911	Posted - 2015.04.29 20:51:00 - [16] - Quote godhands9 wrote: another thing the original assault rifle is garbage now..I do agree with that.The combat rifle is way to op in fire rate..compared to the assault rifle its way better in all means. dude when an smg can beat an ACR there is a problem. The regular AR is actually quite balanced. Its not the god machine it was before, but it can beat an ARR and is on par with the ASCr. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Dementia Maniaclease Dust 514 Elite Ops 15	Posted - 2015.04.29 20:55:00 - [17] - Quote I call bull, i was slaying reds left n right today with this weapon, well past the recommend range.. and well within as well.. I say good day to you sir! "An enemy on the march is at its most vulnerable"- Sun Tzu
D legendary hero WarRavens 1911	Posted - 2015.04.29 20:59:00 - [18] - Quote Sleepy Shadow wrote: You need to burst it at longer ranges. When you do, thereGÇÖs no kick and hardly any dispersion. At close range I am not sure what guns you lose to. And I guess what suits. The ACR is amazing against armour suits though thickly veiled Amarrs can be an issue. Unless youGÇÖre running it on a Minmitar assault. All dem bullits. Thats the thing verses shields of course its bad, but since armor is easy to tank (im cool with that) it has problems chewing through armor as well. so, the suit isnt particularly the issue at this point. as far as guns i lose too, ... all the ARs, except tac in cqc, ARR and sometimes regular RR in cqc, Scr, and Ascr, Assault smg. in cqc (not including shotguns because well yeah its supposed to rock). Since in order of greatest to least range advantage its supposed to be: CQC Gar Acr ARR Ascr Long Ascr ARR Acr Gar this is between the assault variants. the same model service for the othein the ir respective ranges.r variants. right now it looks like this: CQC Gar = Ascr ARR Acr long Ascr ARR Gar = Acr (mostly because of hit detection and the high fire rate plus low damage per shot) Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
D legendary hero WarRavens 1914	Posted - 2015.04.30 12:51:00 - [19] - Quote And bump Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Echo 1991 Titans of Phoenix RUST415 796	Posted - 2015.04.30 13:25:00 - [20] - Quote D, you are talking out of your rear. The ACR is fine.

Lorhak Gannarsein Nos Nothi 4571	Posted - 2015.04.30 13:48:00 - [21] - Quote OP: I lose to SMGs with my rifle therefore it must be crap! Maybe you're just garbage, OP? SOGZ PANDA: But i also agree with lorhak cause he's an aussie and aussies are always right
Francois Sanchez Prima Gallicus 405	Posted - 2015.04.30 13:56:00 - [22] - Quote The problem of the ACR isn't its damage, it's the terrible spread. Normally it should have less DPS at short range than an AR and beat the two others, currently the ASCR has too high DPS but otherwise the things are fine. Then at mid range it should be the best of all 4, which is the case in theory if you put aside the ASCR again. But as there is that awful spread, the applied DPS becomes the one of the AR, and even smaller if the AR is handled by a Gal Ass while the ARR is clearly above. All this to say don't touch the damage as it's in the right place in the DPS vs range table, but reduce the damn spread so that it performs as intended at 50 meters.
Georgia Xavier Y.A.M.A.H 367	Posted - 2015.04.30 14:35:00 - [23] - Quote Are you hipfiring it? If so you'll never hit anything. Always use ADS on an ACR, I can assure you that an ACR has a higher dps compared to an smg. You just need to aim instead of spray and pray Dust 514: Unlimited Scrub Works
Scheneighnay McBob And the ButtPirates 6312	Posted - 2015.04.30 14:41:00 - [24] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I'm still finding that it's great. u doin it rung ok. so elaborate. What is there to elaborate on? Point at red, pull the trigger. All assault variants are just meant as a short-range alternative so you don't have to throw SP into plasma rifles. Some details can be ignored
D legendary hero WarRavens 1916	Posted - 2015.04.30 16:15:00 - [25] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: D, you are talking out of your rear. The ACR is fine. I wish I could do that. I'd be rich? Have u used an acr lately? Not ascr, acr Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 9327	Posted - 2015.04.30 17:03:00 - [26] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: when an smg can beat an ACR there is a problem. Per Protofits: Standard SMG - 350 Base DPS, 0-25m ACR - 397 Base DPS, 0-62m Advanced SMG - 368 Base DPS, 0-25m ACR - 417 Base DPS, 0-51m Prototype SMG - 385 Base DPS, 0-25m ACR - 437 Base DPS, 0-62m * STD ACR > PRO SMG Wonder why protofits is showing a different optimal range of 51 for the ADV ACR and 62 for STD and PRO? Will poke Cyrus. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 7264	Posted - 2015.04.30 17:06:00 - [27] - Quote Lol
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 762	Posted - 2015.04.30 17:12:00 - [28] - Quote It's true. The ACR and SMG are outclassed these days. I should change my signature. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
D legendary hero WarRavens 1919	Posted - 2015.04.30 18:22:00 - [29] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: D legendary her also, pashen an smg can beat an ACR there is a problem. Per Protofits: [u wrote: Standard[/u] SMG - 350 Base DPS, 0-25m ACR - 397 Base DPS, 0-62m Advanced SMG - 368 Base DPS, 0-25m ACR - 417 Base DPS, 0-51m Prototype SMG - 385 Base DPS, 0-25m ACR - 437 Base DPS, 0-62m * STD ACR > PRO SMG Wonder why protofits is showing a different optimal range of 51 for the ADV ACR and 62 for STD and PRO? Will poke Cyrus. Better hip fire and more bullets per mag. also past 40m the acr is pretty useless anyway. Lol Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Username Alpha Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2015.05.01 04:22:00 - [30] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: D legendary her also, pashen an smg can beat an ACR there is a problem. Per Protofits: [u wrote: Standard[/u] SMG - 350 Base DPS, 0-25m ACR - 397 Base DPS, 0-62m Advanced SMG - 368 Base DPS, 0-25m ACR - 417 Base DPS, 0-51m Prototype SMG - 385 Base DPS, 0-25m ACR - 437 Base DPS, 0-62m * STD ACR > PRO SMG Wonder why protofits is showing a different optimal range of 51 for the ADV ACR and 62 for STD and PRO? Will poke Cyrus. Better hip fire and more bullets per mag. also past 40m the acr is pretty useless anyway. Lol So let me get this straight. You are saying that if you hipfire at 15 meters range, the SMG is going to outperform the ACR because of its bigger magazine. And for this reason you think the ACR needs a buff. Is this an accurate description of your position?

Flaylock Steve Nos Nothi 807	Posted - 2015.05.01 04:46:00 - [31] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Since when was the ACR low DPS? It has the highest DPS on armour of any automatic. And yes, that includes the ASCR. Arkena, head over to the barbershop. I need some help with some fits.
Vesta Opalus Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 645	Posted - 2015.05.01 04:56:00 - [32] - Quote EPIC TROLL OP YOU GOT EM ALL MAD
nelo kazuma THE LAST H0PE. RUST415 144	Posted - 2015.05.01 05:55:00 - [33] - Quote I call bs https://youtu.be/5wTPztetvy4 watch my corp buddy reck people also my camio from 2:00 to 4:00
D legendary hero WarRavens 1919	Posted - 2015.05.02 22:35:00 - [34] - Quote Username Alpha wrote: D legendary hero wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: D legendary her also, pashen an smg can beat an ACR there is a problem. Per Protofits: [u wrote: Standard[/u] SMG - 350 Base DPS, 0-25m ACR - 397 Base DPS, 0-62m Advanced SMG - 368 Base DPS, 0-25m ACR - 417 Base DPS, 0-51m Prototype SMG - 385 Base DPS, 0-25m ACR - 437 Base DPS, 0-62m * STD ACR > PRO SMG Wonder why protofits is showing a different optimal range of 51 for the ADV ACR and 62 for STD and PRO? Will poke Cyrus. Better hip fire and more bullets per mag. also past 40m the acr is pretty useless anyway. Lol So let me get this straight. You are saying that if you hipfire at 15 meters range, the SMG is going to outperform the ACR because of its bigger magazine. And for this reason you think the ACR needs a buff. Is this an accurate description of your position? No. i was just making a point that ACR is losing out in its rnge to things its not supposed to such as ARr and Ascr. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
D legendary hero WarRavens 1919	Posted - 2015.05.02 22:37:00 - [35] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: D legendary hero wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I'm still finding that it's great. u doin it rung ok. so elaborate. What is there to elaborate on? Point at red, pull the trigger. All assault variants are just meant as a short-range alternative so you don't have to throw SP into plasma rifles. m point is its not functioning properly at its range verses other ARs. Im asking that it be adjusted not buffed to become OP. I dnt know why everyone thinks that asking to adjust a weapon will automatically cause ti to be OP. Im not posting the numbers on it because i dnt want it to be too good, at the same time in cqc if i dnt miss i shouldnt lose to ARR and Ascr in my optimal. is that too much to ask? Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Forced Death Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 756	Posted - 2015.05.02 22:38:00 - [36] - Quote brushes Six Kin Assault Combat Rifle while stepping over Boundless Breach Submachine Gun What were you saying? 11M SP Gallente Logistics G/1 Series Scout M/1 Series Assault M/1 Series I'm doing something wrong


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